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Notice since the James Gang left town Geerair is gone? Last post 10/13

Possible explanation.... They are one in the same... A split personality?

Or... Geer is bored w/o the gang.

Or....Wallynut finally got to him....

Discuss..

[k-fridge]

I think Geer lost his soul mate so he left. :D

[k-fridge]

You got me curious enough that I ran the IP's. Different numbers-different places.

[mrs reb77]

I think maybe they got jobs or something. :)

Or, perhaps running for president...I hear that takes some time too. ;)

[retired btc]

I think with the absence of James postings a lot of poster's are left without suitable subject matter to argue, then too it has become a more restrictive posting area as well, no more free for alls allowed :)

[sline-dawg]

There has been a few guys come and go that I kinda miss.







But my aim is getting better.......:D :D

[Twilly]

Twilli says trust knowone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5a-hfunHzs

[tinner73]

i try to avoid ARP like the plague.....so please update me. exactly who is gone? and what happened?

[glennac]

I see the liberal Dems just can't stop celebrating now that James is gone and a lot of us real Americans don't post here much.

Call it a gang if you want but at least we didn't believe in changing this country into a socialist commie state with perverts in control. James and the rest of us cleaned your clocks pretty good when this forum was wide open. But you all have it now enjoy.

[k-fridge]

I see the liberal Dems just can't stop celebrating now that James is gone and a lot of us real Americans don't post here much.

Call it a gang if you want but at least we didn't believe in changing this country into a socialist commie state with perverts in control. James and the rest of us cleaned your clocks pretty good when this forum was wide open. But you all have it now enjoy.
Everyone is free to discuss the same topics we did before, we just have to keep the language and tempers in check while doing so. By the same token, everyone is free to use the new rules as an excuse to retreat if they want.

This forum was scheduled to be closed on November 1; due to the positive changes that we've all made, we have a reprieve...for now anyway. I see that as a victory for ARP members, don't you Glenn? :)

[Twilly]

Twilli says now its a monster and will not obey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpuyXdKx9Ws

[k-fridge]

Twilli says now its a monster and will not obey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpuyXdKx9Ws
Me thinks Twilli own stock in youtube. :p

[mrs reb77]

Well, I am not in favor of a commie state of anything, I still post here and I enjoy the fact that we can have discussions without being attacked or on the defensive constantly.

And, twilli visits more often to enlight. That's a major plus. :)

[retired btc]

Everyone is free to discuss the same topics we did before, we just have to keep the language and tempers in check while doing so. By the same token, everyone is free to use the new rules as an excuse to retreat if they want.

This forum was scheduled to be closed on November 1; due to the positive changes that we've all made, we have a reprieve...for now anyway. I see that as a victory for ARP members, don't you Glenn? :)

In reality this is not true, the committee and others has pretty much squelched discussions that are argumentative in nature and of course since they have been deleted by others there is no proof of their postings.

I will say this your out of line with your pompus attitude about people retreating you have won nothing as there was no war to win, no front to fight on , people stop posting because it was no longer appropriate to continue to post and have them deleted for whatever reason the arp commttee and moderators decided they wanted to use for that day.

Just for the record this is not another whine thread as some so like to call them, its just a statment of fact as seen from my view, you don't like my view close the blinds :)

As far as arp being closed down Nov.1 if things didn't improve that is news to me must be insider information

[glennac]

Well, I am not in favor of a commie state of anything, I still post here and I enjoy the fact that we can have discussions without being attacked or on the defensive constantly.

And, twilli visits more often to enlight. That's a major plus. :)

Mrs. Reb, I've always enjoyed your posts and I did not mean to imply that their are not lots of good true blue Americans like yourself posting here. It just will take a while for me and several others to get over all this. Some never will.

I do get upset when it appears that some are gloating over what has happened. I believe that most are upset how everything went down and some more than others. I believe that the "toning down" of the forum could have been done with less "bloodshed" but it is what it is. Keep posts coming I enjoy reading them. I am busy and need to spend less time here anyhow. I might feel better later on and come back more often. We'll see.

[retired btc]

i try to avoid ARP like the plague.....so please update me. exactly who is gone? and what happened?

No reason to fear the arp anymore its a calmer more civilized domain now :)

In answer to your questions a long time poster pressed the issue in another forum and was removed from the site for his further comments.

Now a ARP committee has been formed to corral the insurgents and monitor the posting for political correctness and prevent flame wars from happening, so far it seems to have quelled the beast so to speak, at least we are not dining on spam daily :)

[Twilly]

Twilli agrees it is a much more serene place and there seems to be a kinder gentler ARP.

Twilli thinks this song is appropriate for the new improved ARP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy0VjUtoQ78

[retired btc]

I think I heard a request for this one a while back :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhY1fxQXa3A

[k-fridge]

In reality this is not true, the committee and others has pretty much squelched discussions that are argumentative in nature and of course since they have been deleted by others there is no proof of their postings.

I will say this your out of line with your pompus attitude about people retreating you have won nothing as there was no war to win, no front to fight on , people stop posting because it was no longer appropriate to continue to post and have them deleted for whatever reason the arp commttee and moderators decided they wanted to use for that day.
Pompous? No. Truthful? Yes. There have not been nearly as many threads deleted as you think. This is yet another shining example of the gossip that is being spread. I can see every one of the deleted posts, not that many at all. The biggest problem with ARP today is all the people who come in here tp post negative and whiny junk instead of putting their efforts into making a positive contribution. That is what I mean by retreat, the whining is taking the easy way out.


As far as arp being closed down Nov.1 if things didn't improve that is news to me must be insider information
Just another reason why you should trust us instead of bashing us all the time. Do you think we took this task for the fun of it? Do you think we put ourselves at risk for no reason? Maybe all you folks should stop and think about this for a moment.

[mrs reb77]

I'm not sure I've ever been referred to as pompous in my life! Another first for ARP.
Hey, am I a minority here? Shouldn't I get some kind of special treatment? :)
I can remember back to the first time I ever posted in ARP. Yes, I was hesitant. Yes, I thought I'd get backhanded, lambasted or worse. But, you know what? I realized that it's only my computer! No one could actually touch me and it became more enjoyable. I don't have many peers that I can discuss with many of the topics found in ARP. They either aren't interested or, (ye gads!) not on an intellectual level to do so. That's what makes this place special.

As well as the Dick Clark episodes Twilli has!

[mrs reb77]

No reason to fear the arp anymore its a calmer more civilized domain now :)

In answer to your questions a long time poster pressed the issue in another forum and was removed from the site for his further comments.

Now a ARP committee has been formed to corral the insurgents and monitor the posting for political correctness and prevent flame wars from happening, so far it seems to have quelled the beast so to speak, at least we are not dining on spam daily :)

Political correctness? What, do you think we're ALL liberals? :D I don't think so. Flame wars (who needs em), spam (we're not eating!), racial slurs or worse (what's the point!) those are all things that every site can do without. Political correctness? Well, I'm not sure that isn't an oxymoron of the highest order anyway.
Naw, ARP should just be a place where all members can come and discuss the topics at hand without fear of malice.

[Tool-Slinger]

In reality this is not true, the committee and others has pretty much squelched discussions that are argumentative in nature and of course since they have been deleted by others there is no proof of their postings.

I will say this your out of line with your pompus attitude about people retreating you have won nothing as there was no war to win, no front to fight on , people stop posting because it was no longer appropriate to continue to post and have them deleted for whatever reason the arp commttee and moderators decided they wanted to use for that day.

Just for the record this is not another whine thread as some so like to call them, its just a statment of fact as seen from my view, you don't like my view close the blinds :)

As far as arp being closed down Nov.1 if things didn't improve that is news to me must be insider information
HVAC-TALK is a great site. Coolest thing I ever saw for linking pros' together for communication on professional matters. Perhaps ARP should be "pronounced dead"? I like the site, like ARP too, just seems like the two are perhaps incompatible to me.

[mrs reb77]

Darn, that's what we've been trying to prevent.
Why would you post such a comment? Just curious. :(

[mrs reb77]

I think I've found some new material here! http://pompousasswords.com/home.htm

[Twilly]

Twilli says things change, sometimes for the better sometimes for the worse. I have no investment in this forum and "personally" could care less if they close it or keep it open. That said "I" hope for the sake of those of you that do seem to enjoy it that they leave it open.

I do know that there was talk of closing it. The ARP committee while not liked by some had the best interest of this forum at heart. I'm certain that they will rub some of you wrong.

I did see two post that I posted on removed within the last 24 hours. Not my decision, nor does it offend me, I go to other non hvac sites and post are often removed, with no reason given and any question of the moderators who in some cases are unidentified is also reason for your removal.

Websites are like small countries and are sometimes ran like a dictatorship. I guess if you don't like it form your own country, or immigrate to another one. I'm not debating, I'm just making an observation, I "sense" there are some hurt feelings, some anger, and some disgust with the way things are.

I don't have answers, heck I want to be part of the problem, I come here (to this site) to have fun and learn things and socialize with my fellow hvac members. I for one like this site and have no complaints. Twilli is a suck up. Also every once in a while "I" come out of third person.

[Twilly]

Twilli is a country boy, how else could Twilli have this sense of humor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBqZs7oGPZQ

[k-fridge]

HVAC-TALK is a great site. Coolest thing I ever saw for linking pros' together for communication on professional matters. Perhaps ARP should be "pronounced dead"? I like the site, like ARP too, just seems like the two are perhaps incompatible to me.
I wonder what would happen all of us agreed to pronounce the old ARP dead, and then celebrated the new ARP by putting our efforts into good discussion minus the flame wars, excessively foul language, and racial slurs?

I think it's important for everyone to know that we've had at least as many positive comments about the change in ARP as the negative ones. A lot of people on this site want to discuss these type topics without being called names and getting flamed for expressing their opinions.

Whataya say folks, can we do it?

[Tool-Slinger]

Political correctness? What, do you think we're ALL liberals? :D I don't think so. Flame wars (who needs em), spam (we're not eating!), racial slurs or worse (what's the point!) those are all things that every site can do without. Political correctness? Well, I'm not sure that isn't an oxymoron of the highest order anyway.
Naw, ARP should just be a place where all members can come and discuss the topics at hand without fear of malice.
'''''discuss the topics at hand without fear of malice.''''''

Perfectly safe, no fear of getting your feelings hurt or to be offended here.



malice: the desire to inflict harm or suffering on another [websters]



If I want polite safe conversation I will attend the church social [and I may as there are some cute single women there].

ARP is dying, will someone plese kill it and put it out of its' misery?

[retired btc]

[QUOTE=k_fridge;1669190]Pompous? No. Truthful? Yes. There have not been nearly as many threads deleted as you think. This is yet another shining example of the gossip that is being spread. I can see every one of the deleted posts, not that many at all. The biggest problem with ARP today is all the people who come in here tp post negative and whiny junk instead of putting their efforts into making a positive contribution. That is what I mean by retreat, the whining is taking the easy way out.


Just another reason why you should trust us instead of bashing us all the time. Do you think we took this task for the fun of it? Do you think we put ourselves at risk for no reason? Maybe all you folks should stop and think about this for a moment.[/QUOTE

Hmm intresting , its by observing that I note the threads missing not by thinking, Why is it that it seems everytime a post is made concerning the ARP, its considered whining, People have that right to make conversations about this section.Its up to you as a committe member to accept that as reality and get over it without taking it so personal, its not your ARP it belongs to the members. People have avoided the ARP because of the nature of the beast as politics and religion to tend to incite the masses as some members can relate too.

Kindly do not assume that I should trust you , that is not going to happen as I don't care for you or your accusations that by my comments I am bashing you or this forum, I made statements of what I have observed in the present form of censorshp.

P.S what did you think ARP was for if not negative and whiny junk, geeez it was full of politics and religion discussions and we know where that leads, That is why there is a General Forum for the normal discussions.

[k-fridge]

'''''discuss the topics at hand without fear of malice.''''''

Perfectly safe, no fear of getting your feelings hurt or to be offended here.



malice: the desire to inflict harm or suffering on another [websters]



If I want polite safe conversation I will attend the church social [and I may as there are some cute single women there].

ARP is dying, will someone plese kill it and put it out of its' misery?
I've been watching the trends. When there's no complaining going on, good discussion breaks out. When these whinefests start up, it kills discussion. he exact same thing happens on another site I go to, who wants to post when there's a bunch of folks complaining?

[retired btc]

[QUOTE=mrs reb77;1669202]I'm not sure I've ever been referred to as pompous in my life! ![/QUOTE

Your not K Fridge then are you :)

[Twilly]

Twilli likes everybody and says peace out. Goodnight and God Bless.

[k-fridge]

[quote=k_fridge;1669190]Pompous? No. Truthful? Yes. There have not been nearly as many threads deleted as you think. This is yet another shining example of the gossip that is being spread. I can see every one of the deleted posts, not that many at all. The biggest problem with ARP today is all the people who come in here tp post negative and whiny junk instead of putting their efforts into making a positive contribution. That is what I mean by retreat, the whining is taking the easy way out.


Just another reason why you should trust us instead of bashing us all the time. Do you think we took this task for the fun of it? Do you think we put ourselves at risk for no reason? Maybe all you folks should stop and think about this for a moment.[/QUOTE

Hmm intresting , its by observing that I note the threads missing not by thinking, Why is it that it seems everytime a post is made concerning the ARP, its considered whining, People have that right to make conversations about this section.Its up to you as a committe member to accept that as reality and get over it without taking it so personal, its not your ARP it belongs to the members. People have avoided the ARP because of the nature of the beast as politics and religion to tend to incite the masses as some members can relate too.

Kindly do not assume that I should trust you , that is not going to happen as I don't care for you or your accusations that by my comments I am bashing you or this forum, I made statements of what I have observed in the present form of censorshp.

P.S what did you think ARP was for if not negative and whiny junk, geeez it was full of politics and religion discussions and we know where that leads, That is why there is a General Forum for the normal discussions.
Just for grins and giggles, I checked the first two pages of ARP and General Discussion for the number of deleted threads. General Discussion has 1 more than ARP.

You are correct that ARP is for the members to discuss the topics listed in the header. I respectfully remind you that all of us on the committee are members of ARP too, and we were elected by the membership to clean things up a bit in here. This was after site administration informed the membership that ARP was on thin ice and that this was the last chance of saving it. I'm sorry ifi you weren't aware of these facts. But it's also a fact that ARP "lives" today because of this committee and the members who have helped us to effect change. What happens from here depends on all of you.

[Tool-Slinger]

I wonder what would happen all of us agreed to pronounce the old ARP dead, and then celebrated the new ARP by putting our efforts into good discussion minus the flame wars, excessively foul language, and racial slurs?

I think it's important for everyone to know that we've had at least as many positive comments about the change in ARP as the negative ones. A lot of people on this site want to discuss these type topics without being called names and getting flamed for expressing their opinions.

Whataya say folks, can we do it?
Well, you may be onto something. I have had some pretty serious religious conversations here without the flames/name-calling, and such were actually annoying and ignored. I prefer the ''free for all'', but a more seriously moderated forum may be best for this site. I admit that, sacrificing my own preference at the considferation of the management. Perhaps this is not a good site for a 'free for all'. I respect that. ARP is not a primary objective of the site, very understandable. Just an 'accommodation' of some members, it must be difficult to manage such a complicated thing

[k-fridge]

[quote=mrs reb77;1669202]I'm not sure I've ever been referred to as pompous in my life! ![/QUOTE

Your not K Fridge then are you :)
Websters defines pompous as "exhibiting self-importance." In my posts I give credit to the entire committee and to the portion of the membership that has helped, not to myself.

Just thought I should point that out.:)

[glennac]

I've been watching the trends. When there's no complaining going on, good discussion breaks out. When these whinefests start up, it kills discussion. he exact same thing happens on another site I go to, who wants to post when there's a bunch of folks complaining?

OK what about those on the other side who feel the need to start a thread or post about how they like the banning of James who in my opinion was one of the best members on this site and posted in the technical forums with good stuff that helped a lot of techs. That opens up a sore in me and a lot of others. I believe in open discussion without the name calling but that shouldn't allow others to attack someone who can no longer defend himself. That gets me upset to no end. If you want the "whining" to end then you should also stop the "gloating". That is my opinion.

[Tool-Slinger]

I've been watching the trends. When there's no complaining going on, good discussion breaks out. When these whinefests start up, it kills discussion. he exact same thing happens on another site I go to, who wants to post when there's a bunch of folks complaining?
The whining will dissipate, just give it some time. There will be a transitional period as we see now. Hard to adjust, this is a 'loss' for some posters.

[retired btc]

[QUOTE=k_fridge;1669216]I wonder what would happen all of us agreed to pronounce the old ARP dead, and then celebrated the new ARP by putting our efforts into good discussion minus the flame wars, excessively foul language, and racial slurs?

I think it's important for everyone to know that we've had at least as many positive comments about the change in ARP as the negative ones. A lot of people on this site want to discuss these type topics without being called names and getting flamed for expressing their opinions.

Whataya say folks, can we do it?[/QUOTE

The old ARP has been dead for a lot longer then you think, go back a few years and read some of the old discussions that took place before your time, in some cases they became flame wars but the over all conception was if you can't take the heat then don't come a calling. and they still managed to converse in an intelligent manner.

It has been only been in the recent yrs that ARP had become a spam center and battle ground. Now that the rules have changed and there are new rules in place, it has mellowed out to a more all around conversational forum and that is not all that bad of a thing for the members that choose to partake in the discussions.

[k-fridge]

OK what about those on the other side who feel the need to start a thread or post about how they like the banning of James who in my opinion was one of the best members on this site and posted in the technical forums with good stuff that helped a lot of techs. That opens up a sore in me and a lot of others. I believe in open discussion without the name calling but that shouldn't allow others to attack someone who can no longer defend himself. That gets me upset to no end. If you want the "whining" to end then you should also stop the "gloating". That is my opinion.
Why not post the thread in the forum where James was banned? It didn't happen in ARP so why should you discuss it here?

No one is gloating Glenn, just trying to get you guys to realize why change was necessary.

[retired btc]

[quote=retired btc;1669227]
Websters defines pompous as "exhibiting self-importance." In my posts I give credit to the entire committee and to the portion of the membership that has helped, not to myself.

Just thought I should point that out.:)

I should point out as well, that the title fits you very well oh wonderous one :)

[k-fridge]

It has been only been in the recent yrs that ARP had become a spam center and battle ground. Now that the rules have changed and there are new rules in place, it has mellowed out to a more all around conversational forum and that is not all that bad of a thing for the members that choose to partake in the discussions.
If I read this right, you do see something positive in the new ARP. I hope you help us to make it a success by contributing.

[Tool-Slinger]

[QUOTE=k_fridge;1669216]I wonder what would happen all of us agreed to pronounce the old ARP dead, and then celebrated the new ARP by putting our efforts into good discussion minus the flame wars, excessively foul language, and racial slurs?

I think it's important for everyone to know that we've had at least as many positive comments about the change in ARP as the negative ones. A lot of people on this site want to discuss these type topics without being called names and getting flamed for expressing their opinions.

Whataya say folks, can we do it?[/QUOTE

The old ARP has been dead for a lot longer then you think, go back a few years and read some of the old discussions that took place before your time, in some cases they became flame wars but the over all conception was if you can't take the heat then don't come a calling. and they still managed to converse in an intelligent manner.

It has been only been in the recent yrs that ARP had become a spam center and battle ground. Now that the rules have changed and there are new rules in place, it has mellowed out to a more all around conversational forum and that is not all that bad of a thing for the members that choose to partake in the discussions.
Not a current environment to have your mind changed or change another. Learning feature is 'OFF'. Freedom of speech is replaced with polite conversation as acceptable at an English tea-party.
You can e-mail me you SOB and we can find something to argue about. :D

[k-fridge]

[quote=k_fridge;1669237]

I should point out as well, that the title fits you very well oh wonderous one :)
Perhaps I was wrong about you being able to discuss an issue without resorting to insults.

[retired btc]

If I read this right, you do see something positive in the new ARP. I hope you help us to make it a success by contributing.

Its more along these lines :)

The Serenity Prayer

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
as it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His Will;
That I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with Him
Forever in the next.
Amen.


Easier softer has never been my fortay :)

[Tool-Slinger]

Thanks for your effort k_fridge, I know you are a good guy and I am sorry if my posts have indicated otherwise friend. I just want to be clear, I have a problem with the situation, not you at all. You must be in an ugly situation trying to deal with this all, and I think you are handling it very well.

[k-fridge]

Thanks for your effort k_fridge, I know you are a good guy and I am sorry if my posts have indicated otherwise friend. I just want to be clear, I have a problem with the situation, not you at all. You must be in an ugly situation trying to deal with this all, and I think you are handling it very well.
Much appreciated. Please remember the rest of the committee has worked hard as well, I am but one of the team.

[retired btc]

[quote=retired btc;1669248]
Perhaps I was wrong about you being able to discuss an issue without resorting to insults.

Now how can anyone take that as an insult:), are you not the one that came back with a Smart aleck comment, I am just responding to your responses
you have the choice of taking the high road and letting it go at this:)

[Tool-Slinger]

''Keep it pro, find your other discussions elsewhere''

That was my thinking.

[k-fridge]

[quote=k_fridge;1669253]

Now how can anyone take that as an insult:), are you not the one that came back with a Smart aleck comment, I am just responding to your responses
you have the choice of taking the high road and letting it go at this:)
I fail to see where I made a smart aleck comment to you, however I do see where you made a couple to me.

I have been trying to take the high road by letting this thread run so any of you who needed to vent could do so. It seems that everything that needed to be "said" has been now so I'm closing this thread pending an ARPC review.

I invite the members of ARP to now focus their energies on helping to rebuild the forum by making positive contributions.

Thread closed