Take from the haves and give to the have nots

[wallynut]

This is just the beginning of what is going to happen
if the looney left get Hillary in.

At a bipartisan Ways and Means caucus last night, Chairman Rangel outlined his long-awaited “Mother of All Tax Hikes” legislation. The basics of the package are simple: This is the largest individual income tax increase in history.

The bill will add a 4% surtax on Americans earning more than $150,000 a year ($200,000 for couples). That is on top of the scheduled expiration of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. So, under Democrats’ plan, over the next few years, the individual income top tax rate in the United States will rise from 35% to 44%. :) :) :)

[tonys]

I guess reinforced Humvees don’t come cheap...


note:
The Outstanding US Debt as of 25 Oct 2007 at 08:55:20 PM GMT is:

$ 9,055,314,727,794.:)

The estimated population of the United States is 303,353,470, therefore each citizen's share of this debt is $29,850.70.

[makinmoney]

The bill will add a 4% surtax on Americans earning more than $150,000 a year ($200,000 for couples).

What's the problem? 70% of Americans don't earn that much now.

[chillbilly]

Citizens don't have the opportunity to manage the federal debt.
Politicians do.

And what kind of car do you drive?

[chillbilly]

What's the problem? 70% of Americans don't earn that much now.
So, we should penalize the 30% that do??:confused::rolleyes:

[BigJon3475]

I guess reinforced Humvees don’t come cheap...


note:
The Outstanding US Debt as of 25 Oct 2007 at 08:55:20 PM GMT is:

$ 9,055,314,727,794.:)

The estimated population of the United States is 303,353,470, therefore each citizen's share of this debt is $29,850.70.


Well then our well being to the countries that money is owed to is in thier best interest ;)

[makinmoney]

Don't forget that it is the 30% who do are also the one's in government that are saying you should shoulder the rest? What's the problem?

[wallynut]

I guess reinforced Humvees don’t come cheap...


note:
The Outstanding US Debt as of 25 Oct 2007 at 08:55:20 PM GMT is:

$ 9,055,314,727,794.:)

The estimated population of the United States is 303,353,470, therefore each citizen's share of this debt is $29,850.70.


Ya tony, Charle Rangle is going to take that tax
money and pay off the debt.
Sen. Hillary Clinton’s dream of using $1 million tax dollars for an upstate New York museum dedicated to Woodstock, the 1969 three-day event of bad acid, ****ty sound systems and foul weather, was busted yesterday by evil white guys who never ever smoked pot.

[chillbilly]

Don't forget that it is the 30% who do are also the one's in government that are saying you should shoulder the rest? What's the problem?

So, your remedy is to stick it to a couple hundred people on Capitol Hill and include the other innocent 29.99% of the taxpaying public, while giving the rest of the populus a free pass??

Here's a novel idea...How about we stop taxing anyone any further, and reduce expenditures altogether?
Oh shoot, scratch that...then the people spending our money wouldn't have an endless stream of wealth to piss away.:rolleyes:

[wallynut]

What's the problem? 70% of Americans don't earn that much now.

This is the typical thought process of a LIBERAL. :D :D

[makinmoney]

Exactly.......

As long as they keep blowing our coin the taxation will never end. We have become subserviant to other countries. We no longer call the shots. Our Government pretends like we do, then we have to pay for it all.

How many Senators, Congressmen etc, are worth less then 5 million dollars? Why spend 20 million dollars to get a job that only pays $200,000.00? Because they can make 10 fold on lobbiest's and patronage and sitting on boards after they are out.

The entire system is corrupt, doesn't matter if your a dem or a rep. They are all in it for themselves. No bill ever put forward isn't about the person putting it forward to get a "behind the scenes" benefit at the end of the day.

[makinmoney]

This is just the beginning of what is going to happen
if the looney left get Hillary in.

Doesn't matter who gets in. WE ARE ALL F-D. The entire system has to be changed. When this country was formed, we were pretty much indepented of the rest of the world. It worked back then....Now, I have my concerns.

Why is it that business' have to constantly re-evaluate their plans but government doesn't? At the end of the day it's about appropriation of funds coming in and going out. I've never seen companies say "If we spend this much now and we get a payback in 20 years it will be worth it as an investment." Isn't the govenment's job to invest in the American people first?;)

[hvacker]

Doesn't anyone get it???

Ya ok the dems are tax and spend but the republicans are BORROW and spend.
The dems at least have a way to repay the dept while the rep just pass it on to your kids.

These guys that call themselves republicans are not. Just give them the Goldwater test.

[chillbilly]

Doesn't matter who gets in. WE ARE ALL F-D. The entire system has to be changed. When this country was formed, we were pretty much indepented of the rest of the world. It worked back then....Now, I have my concerns.

Why is it that business' have to constantly re-evaluate their plans but government doesn't? At the end of the day it's about appropriation of funds coming in and going out. I've never seen companies say "If we spend this much now and we get a payback in 20 years it will be worth it as an investment." Isn't the govenment's job to invest in the American people first?;)
That's a good post. I couldn't agree more.
If the government weren't in the "busines" of spending money and were held to the same standards as private businesses, we'd currently be in much better shape.
I've never feared our government more at any time in my fifty years than I do now.

[sline-dawg]

I've never feared our government more at any time in my fifty years than I do now.



I call it disgust.... They think we can't live without their helping handouts.....It is THEM, that couldn't live without our tax dollars.....;)

[smokin68]

You're worried about tax increases if a Dem gets in???? How much are the two wars we're fighting costing??? Someone has to pay.....and somehow the tax-breaks will go to the top earners as usual.

[chillbilly]

I call it disgust.... They think we can't live without their helping handouts.....It is THEM, that couldn't live without our tax dollars.....;)
Absolutely correct.
What happens to the middle class when big government runs amok?

[chillbilly]

You're worried about tax increases if a Dem gets in?
Are you not worried about overtaxation? Or is it OK with you to see your government taking your money for every social program and handout they deem "necessary"?

How much are the two wars we're fighting costing?
Someone has to pay.....and somehow the tax-breaks will go to the top earners as usual.
The dems authorized the spending for those wars because that's what they do best...spend, spend, spend.
It's probably no coincidence that the only times I've ever been subject to a tax audit occured when democrats were president.
Congress spends every single dime of your money and who controls congress? The democrats. What candidates and politicians openly claim that taxation is the only way to deal with runaway debt? Democrats.
Also, if you look at an overview of spending in the mid-east wars, they are by far the cheapest wars we have ever fought and have very little to do with the state of the economy and the burden on the taxpayers.

[BigJon3475]

I don't know about anyone else......but the percentage I pay in taxes is less under Bush then it ever was under Clinton....no matter what the liberal media feeds me I can see that. So I think that pretty much kills the idea that the tax credits are for only the rich.

[chaard]

I guess reinforced Humvees don’t come cheap...


note:
The Outstanding US Debt as of 25 Oct 2007 at 08:55:20 PM GMT is:

$ 9,055,314,727,794.:)

The estimated population of the United States is 303,353,470, therefore each citizen's share of this debt is $29,850.70.

I think Bill Gates could chip in a little more than $29,850.70.:D

[chaard]

Doesn't matter who gets in. WE ARE ALL F-D. The entire system has to be changed. When this country was formed, we were pretty much indepented of the rest of the world. It worked back then....Now, I have my concerns.

Why is it that business' have to constantly re-evaluate their plans but government doesn't? At the end of the day it's about appropriation of funds coming in and going out. I've never seen companies say "If we spend this much now and we get a payback in 20 years it will be worth it as an investment." Isn't the govenment's job to invest in the American people first?;)

uh, when Pres. Washington was in office, we were already $75 million dollars in debt.:eek::eek:

[BigJon3475]

I think Bill Gates could chip in a little more than $29,850.70.:D


Both him and Warren Buffet have plans to donate their money in some way instead of leaving their billions to their family.


As of a year ago both together are worth 99 billion.

[oloenneker]

Absolutely correct.
What happens to the middle class when big government runs amok?

It gets screwed.

Its the goal of the upper crust to eliminate the middle class, and revert things back to the way it was in 1930's and 1940's America. A period where there was only the rich and the poor. No middle.

[fixacr]

Why do liberals believe that taking money from those who earn it and giving to those who don't is the cure for poverty? Everybody in this country has the same opportunity to be successful. Why should the ones who take advantage of that opportunity be forced to carry the ones who don't?

[BigJon3475]

I know why don't they just seize everyones money no matter what they make throw it all in a pool and redistribute.....Oh wait that's communism.

[k-fridge]

I know why don't they just seize everyones money no matter what they make throw it all in a pool and redistribute.....Oh wait that's communism.
We're pretty close to that now I'm afraid.

[BigJon3475]

It's definitely not capitalism.

[fixacr]

Look up the tenants of communism sometime. You might be surprised at how many of them are already a normal everyday part our society.:eek:

[aruddick]

Look up the tenants of communism sometime. You might be surprised at how many of them are already a normal everyday part our society.:eek:

Gotta love a government with HEAVY taxes on the working and control of schools. We are heading down a bad path:eek::eek:

[BigJon3475]

We are a mixed economy but far from communism...although some would want it otherwise.

Capitalism, Free Market and Socialism. With Socialism being the closest thing to communism.

"Socialism refers to a broad array of doctrines or political movements that visualize a socio-economic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socio-economic) system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#_note-0) for the purposes of increasing social and economic equality and cooperation. This control may be either direct—exercised through popular collectives such as workers' councils (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_councils)—or indirect—exercised on behalf of the people by the state. As an economic system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_system), socialism is often characterized by socialized (state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State) or community) ownership of the means of production (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production)."

"Communism is an ideology that seeks to establish a classless (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classlessness), stateless (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State#Marxism) social organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_organization) based on common ownership (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ownership) of the means of production (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production). It is usually considered a branch of the broader socialist movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism) that draws on the various political and intellectual movements that trace their origins back to the work of Karl Marx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx)."

[chillbilly]

It gets screwed.

Its the goal of the upper crust to eliminate the middle class, and revert things back to the way it was in 1930's and 1940's America. A period where there was only the rich and the poor. No middle.

Well, you've taken the rhetorical question I posed and spun it rather nicely.
The "upper crust" is not responsible for the legislation, the judiciary and the executive powers given government any more than the poor are responsible for social programs that redistribute wealth in a manner they deem fair and equitable.
True capitalism does not afford people unwilling to secure their own present and future a damned thing.

[fixacr]

Nikita Khrushchev's famous "we will bury you" reference to capitalism was laughed off, but it is incrementally happening.