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seatonheating
10-11-2007, 11:36 PM
Hey guys,

Going to be venting a roughly 1500 sq ft nail salon with 10' ceilings. I researched all I could on the site as well as google(for 2 damn hours :):)) and am still perplexed...:p:p.


What's the best way to vent these suckas??

dan sw fl
10-12-2007, 12:36 AM
Hey guys,

Going to be venting a roughly 1500 sq ft nail salon with 10' ceilings.

I researched all I could on the site as well as google(for 2 damn hours :):)) and am still perplexed...:p:p.

What's the best way to vent these suckas??

I would use a combination of filtration and outside air.
.. that is BOTH Capture and Dilution !

https://www.salonpureair.com/faq.html ___ Or a similar set-up.
... took 3 minutes to find

madhat
10-12-2007, 06:58 AM
Look up Body Shop Venting. They are as bad or worse than a body shop, :eek: with the exposer to more people, leakage into adjoining spaces.

hvacker
10-12-2007, 05:36 PM
There are special air filters for acetone. If you vent much the neighbors will get ya. They won't like acetone exposure.

DeltaT
10-12-2007, 07:01 PM
Having been through this I would recommend, well, don't do it! You'll pay and pay from calls from the owner(s). If you run the thing full blast you'll suck our all the heat or cooling and they will complain. If you mount the thing anywhere where they can hear it, they'll complain because they all talk to each other while doing their beauty stuff.

You ain't gonna win on this one. Refer them to a handyman and go back to doing stuff that is worth doing.

Oh, and if you put the exhaust fan through the roof and there is the slightest leak in, say, the next 50 years...guess who they are going to call and blame.

bruiseandy
10-12-2007, 08:02 PM
what kind of equipment? Package, split?

Setup an RTU with an economizer with plenty of minimum OSA and a relief fan hooked to a vfd and static pressure sensor.

genesis
10-12-2007, 09:35 PM
seaton read up on my web site.

jayhawker
10-13-2007, 08:12 PM
The company I work for did a job for a school district with a nail tech. program in a space about this size. The engineer had us install a 7.5 ton RTU with a humidity package on that used the dischage gas as a re-heat coil. The ambient controls in the space sensed humidity and space sensible temperature. The minimun air was set to deliver 875 CFM fresh air all the time a seperate exhaust fan was installed with a duct that extended down to floor level that removed 800 CFM. The space was sealed above the ceiling and around the commom door to the hall to prevent the fumes from leaking into any other parts of the building. The exhaust fan was interlocked to the RTU blower to run at the same time. Seemed to work OK, never had any complaints from the rest of the school about fumes. I would be suprised if you could get on of these nail salons to spend this kind of money, they seem to come and go alot.

keepyoucool2003
10-16-2007, 12:04 AM
I'm with Jay on this one. You better be a good salesmen, explaining air change requirment standards, IAQ, occupant comfort, all might help. Unless they are intrested in quailty; they'll never spend the money on proper equipment, or operational cost of that setup. They'd rather slap a split system in with a 1" filter and call it good. If you give them a split option they'll think that must be acceptable and not even consider the RTU. You know how people think. Been there, don't that. Don't forget a quailty air balance if they bite.

keepyoucool2003
10-16-2007, 12:06 AM
What type of equipment was it? Just wondering


The company I work for did a job for a school district with a nail tech. program in a space about this size. The engineer had us install a 7.5 ton RTU with a humidity package on that used the dischage gas as a re-heat coil. The ambient controls in the space sensed humidity and space sensible temperature. The minimun air was set to deliver 875 CFM fresh air all the time a seperate exhaust fan was installed with a duct that extended down to floor level that removed 800 CFM. The space was sealed above the ceiling and around the commom door to the hall to prevent the fumes from leaking into any other parts of the building. The exhaust fan was interlocked to the RTU blower to run at the same time. Seemed to work OK, never had any complaints from the rest of the school about fumes. I would be suprised if you could get on of these nail salons to spend this kind of money, they seem to come and go alot.

jayhawker
10-17-2007, 06:19 PM
Lennox "L" series with an economizer and humiditrol system

seatonheating
10-17-2007, 09:48 PM
Ended up selling him for of these puppies. 2 intakes, 2 exhausts equally spaced per with NO outside air(was too worried about the neighbors smelling it :).

Price installed: Expensive!!


Haven't heard from him yet.....:p:p

RyanHughes
10-17-2007, 10:04 PM
It's pretty cool to read how the Lennox Humiditrol feature works: http://www.lennoxcommercial.com/products/overview.asp?product_id=5

keepyoucool2003
10-18-2007, 09:19 PM
Ended up selling him for of these puppies. 2 intakes, 2 exhausts equally spaced per with NO outside air(was too worried about the neighbors smelling it :).

Price installed: Expensive!!


Haven't heard from him yet.....:p:p

what do you mean "per with NO outside air"?

seatonheating
10-19-2007, 09:34 PM
what do you mean "per with NO outside air"?

Just what I said, no outside air. Not needed as the existing rooftop has an economizer I can adjust. Although I don't really want to as I don't want positive pressure in the room.

FilterBoyz
10-23-2007, 12:05 PM
Hey guys,

Going to be venting a roughly 1500 sq ft nail salon with 10' ceilings. I researched all I could on the site as well as google(for 2 damn hours :):)) and am still perplexed...:p:p.


What's the best way to vent these suckas??

How about some carbon filters?

John Culpepper
10-23-2007, 05:51 PM
We're using carbon filter media on our units that are around our Food Court exhaust fans. We were getting food smells in some of the other tenant spaces when the units were running outside air. We have nail salons install their own exhaust fans with duct work and registers over each nail prepping table.

seatonheating
10-23-2007, 10:02 PM
We're using carbon filter media on our units that are around our Food Court exhaust fans. We were getting food smells in some of the other tenant spaces when the units were running outside air. We have nail salons install their own exhaust fans with duct work and registers over each nail prepping table.



Energy killers.

John Culpepper
10-23-2007, 11:06 PM
Energy killers?