Alerton Envision

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Anyone out there know where I can get a copy of the Alerton programmers guide (LTBT-TM-PRGRMR) on CD or PDF?

[beardenbc]

You can just sign up for the Alerton support network and they have everything you need.
http://asn.alerton.com/
I could email it to you too.

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I'll try it.. thanks
Do I have to be an Alerton Dealer?

I don't want to be an Alerton Dealer... I just want the manual.

[beardenbc]

Honestly I'm not sure. I don't think you have to be a dealer, but I could be mistaken. Let me know how it works out. If need be I can email it to you.

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beardenbc

I tried to Log into the site and it asks for the reps email.. I don't know who the rep is. can you email the file...
Thanks

[beardenbc]

I certainly can. File is on the way now.

[beardenbc]

Lemme know if you've got any questions. Alerton DDC is about 90% of my job so I can fill in anything that it doesn't cover.

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Thanks
This will be a big help.. Do you know if there are any docs on the microset.
You know the... Blank blank room on warmer.... stuff? I seem to remember one could set the max airflow on a vav box.

[d_d_c_jci]

beardenbc Lemme know if you've got any questions. Alerton DDC is about 90% of my job so I can fill in anything that it doesn't cover.


Can you answer my other thread regarding getting a blank screen when
using remote desktop?

[beardenbc]

Thanks
This will be a big help.. Do you know if there are any docs on the microset.
You know the... Blank blank room on warmer.... stuff? I seem to remember one could set the max airflow on a vav box.

The best way I've found to do that is through the envision interface rather than through the microset. The microset way is kinda complicated, plus you have to ensure that the BV for service mode is active.

I would go to the screen for the vav box, and assuming that the screen is stored in the local job's folder instead of the alerton standard folder, you should be able to edit it. Add a button (push button selector, type= device template, same device, select use display from Alerton/Standard, display number 82330000) that links you to the airflow screen for the VAV box. You can just leave the pushbutton screen there, or you can grab those values and paste them on the main graphic. Now, assuming that the DDC in the VAV is for the most part standard, here are the vaues you would use for calibration/air balancing:
Max AF = AV-67
Force Max AF = BV-11
Min AF = AV-68
Force Min AF = BV-9
Reheat/Fanstart AF = AV-66
Force RH AF = BV-10
Box Size (inches) = AV-250
Calibration factor = AV-252
Zero velocity cutoff = AV-251
I'll have a look to see where the microset info is at, but I think it's probably in the operator's manual if not the programmers guide. I'll let you know if I find it.

[AutoPilot]

Thanks for info..
The problem is these vavs are not on the network.. They are stand-alone as the contractor was way late and never ran any comm cable.

Since the contractor never finished the job.. He didn't get paid and there are no as-built drawings.

[beardenbc]

I was able to find this in the Programmer's guide:

Programmer’s Guide and Reference | BACtalk Systems
46 © Novar Controls Corporation. All Rights Reserved. LTBT-TM-PRGRMR Rev. 0008
Field Service Mode
The Microset may be used to access important control points within a VLC. If
BV-68 (Field Service Lockout) is OFF, it will be possible to enter Field Service
mode by pressing the buttons on the Microset in a special sequence. The
BACtalk Microset differs from the IBEX Microset in that two Field Service
modes are available. Also note that the decimal point to the right of the Field
Service codes displayed at the Microset denote a default fixed code. Any custom
codes that you set up will not have a decimal point.
Pressing the button sequence BLANK-BLANK-ROOM-ON-WARMER allows
access to the normal Field Service mode. The Hot and Cold Flow CFM settings
are read-only. The default fixed codes listed in Table 6 are available in addition
to any custom codes set up in the DDC header (see “Microset Field Service
mode custom codes” on page 155).
Custom codes can be entered in the DDC device settings header. You are allowed
to assign a custom code for up to 26 BI, BV, AV, BO, or AO objects. For each
entry, you can specify whether the number will appear with or without one
decimal place, and if the item is to be read-only. Items can also be restricted to
positive numbers only. Note that if a BI, BV, or BO is specified, an ON value is
represented on the Microset as .1 and an OFF value is 0. You must therefore
activate the decimal point for binary items.
VAV Box Field Service Mode
The button sequence BLANK-BLANK-ROOM-ON-COOLER enables a special
VAV Box Field Service Mode, which is used for balancing. This mode allows
access to the codes listed in Table 7 as well as entries 0–3 (for Microset v1.15) in
the Microset Field Service Mode Setup screen of VLC DDC (entries 0-4 apply
for Microset II v1.17). See “Microset Field Service mode custom codes” on
page 155, for more information.
Table 6 Default fixed codes for Microset Field Service Mode
Code Meaning Associated Data Point
UC. Unoccupied Cooling Setpoint AV-95
UH. Unoccupied Heating Setpoint AV-96
CO. Cooling Offset AV-93
HO. Heating Offset AV-94
CS. Current Cooling Setpoint AV-99
HS. Current Heating Setpoint AV-100
AL. After-hours Limit AV-97
HI. Setpoint High Limit AV-91
LO. Setpoint Low Limit. AV-92
SP. Current Setpoint AV-90
CF. Cold Deck cfm (read only)
HF. Hot Deck cfm (read only). Dual
duct only.
Chapter 4 | Programming VLC DDC for the BACtalk Microset and Microtouch
© Novar Controls Corporation. All Rights Reserved. LTBT-TM-PRGRMR Rev. 0008 47
CF and HF (if applicable) show the current cfm, which can be adjusted by
modifying the calibration factor (k) during balancing. While in VAV Box Field
Service Mode, the WARMER and COOLER buttons change the k factor in
increments of ± 0.01, while the ROOM and OUTSIDE buttons change the k
factor in increments of ± 0.1. Using the VAV Box Field Service Mode, you can
adjust the k factor until the CF and HF readings match those from a balancing
hood.
Use VLC DDC to view the value of the k factor (see “Setting parameters for a
VAV airflow sensor” on page 156).
Table 7 Additional default fixed codes for VAV Box Field Service Mode
Code Meaning Associated Data Point
HI. Setpoint High Limit AV-91
LO. Setpoint Low Limit AV-92
SP. Current Setpoint AV-90
SC. Cold Deck Box Size
SH Hot Deck Box Size
(Dual Duct only)
CF. Cold Deck cfm Range is 0-32767
HF. Hot Deck cfm (Dual Duct Only) Range is 0-32767
and on page 156 I found:

Microset Field Service mode custom codes
VLCs enable you to set up custom field service codes for the Microset. Using
this feature, you can display and change the value of AI (read-only), BI (readonly),
AV, BV, AO, and BO objects from the BACtalk Microset. You can set up
to 26 field service mode codes.
In Field Service mode, a series of two-character codes correspond to each object.
You select the objects to be displayed and choose the codes that identify them
using the Microset Field Service Mode Setup screen (F6 Microset Field Service
Mode Control Table from the DDC Header menu).
Entry Identifies the entry and can’t be edited. In Field Service mode, entry 0
appears first, entry 25 appears last.
Display Code The two-digit code to be displayed at the Microset. Limited to
acceptable characters and must be two characters. Press F5 to view the list of
acceptable characters or use the following reference. Position the cursor in this
field, press Enter, and then type acceptable characters.
Point ID Defines the VLC data point whose value will be associated with the
display code. AI, BI, AO, BO, AV, and BV are acceptable point types. Position
the cursor in this field, press Enter, and then type an acceptable point type. Press
Enter again and type the point’s instance (for AI 1, type 1, for example). Make
sure the point you reference actually exists in the VLC.
Table 48 Acceptable Microset Field Service mode characters
0 1 2
3 4 5
6 7 8
9a
a.The characters 9 and g are virtually indistinguishable on the Microset display.
A b
c C d
E F g
h H i
J L n
o p r
u U y
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Programmer’s Guide and Reference | BACtalk Systems
156 © Novar Controls Corporation. All Rights Reserved. LTBT-TM-PRGRMR Rev. 0008
Writable Determines whether the value will be writable from the Microset
(YES) or read only (NO). Position the cursor in the field and press Enter to
toggle the value. AIs and BIs are not writable.
Decimal Determines whether the Microset will show the value with a decimal
(YES) or without one (NO). Position the cursor in this field and press Enter to
toggle the value.
CAUTION The BACtalk Microset displays OFF values as 0 and ON values as
.1. You must set the Decimal field to YES to view or change binary values at the
Microset.
Positive only Determines whether only positive values can be displayed (YES)
or negative values as well (NO). Position the cursor in this field and press Enter
to toggle the value.
Setting parameters for a VAV airflow sensor
VAV controllers have a special screen in the VLC DDC program for setting up
airflow sensor parameters. In this configuration screen, you specify a box size, a
calibration factor, the point below which airflow should read zero (zero cutoff),
and the values of AI-8 and AI-10 (for dual duct VLCs), or AI-10 (for single duct
VLCs).
Note You can also adjust the values for the hot duct and cold duct calibration
factors from the BACtalk Microset using the Microset Airflow Calibration
mode.
This is a one-time setup you perform for each VAV VLC; the setup is stored in
the VLC independently of DDC or header information. This configuration
affects the values that represent airflow for VAV VLCs.
Note The program units setting (English or metric) in the Analog Input Setup
screen (see “AI setup” on page 152) determines whether AIs report airflow in
cfm or lps, and whether temperatures are reported in degrees F or C.
! To set up airflow parameters for a VAV VLC
1. Make sure you select the Device ID of the VLC you want to work with
in the Configuration screen. Also, choose F2 Read File to retrieve the
existing setup data from the VLC so you do not inadvertently overwrite
an existing setup.
2. From the VLC DDC Main menu, choose F1 Configure.
3. From the Configuration menu, choose F3 VAV Flow Sensor.
The VAV Flow Sensor Setup screen appears with fields for entering a
box size, calibration factor, and velocity zero cutoff for both the cold
duct and the hot duct. For single-duct VAV controllers (SD), only the
cold duct information is used.
4. Position the cursor in the field you want to edit, press Enter, and then set
parameters according to the following guidelines.
Chapter 9 | DDC header file setups in VLC DDC
© Novar Controls Corporation. All Rights Reserved. LTBT-TM-PRGRMR Rev. 0008 157
Box diameter The box diameter of the VAV box to be controlled by this VLC.
Enter this value in inches or centimeters as appropriate for English or metric
setup in the AI Setup screen (see “AI setup” on page 152). Obtain box diameter
data from the VAV box manufacturer. The box diameter represents the round
duct equivalent diameter of the duct where the pressure pickup is located.
Calibration factor Adjusts the VLC airflow readings to match the specific VAV
box, airflow pickup, and conditions of an installation. Increasing the value of the
calibration factor will increase the value of the corresponding airflow (AI-8 for
hot duct flow, if applicable; AI-10 for cold duct flow).
The calibration factor for each duct should be adjusted until the corresponding
airflow matches the airflow measured using a balancing hood. The default value
for the calibration factor, 1.00, accounts for no pressure loss in the tubes.
Increase the calibration factor to compensate for tube loss.
Velocity zero cutoff This value is entered in percent of full airflow (0-100).
Airflows lower than the cutoff are reported as zero. This feature eliminates nonzero
airflow readings due to ambient fluctuations when the main fan is off.
! To send data to the VLC
• When you finish, press F1 to send the VAV airflow setup
information to the VLC.
I'm not sure if that's really much help. If you have something that you can use to interface with the mstp connector that may do the trick. Usually I leave that stuff up to the air balance guys to deal with, and only tweak it if they messed up, in which case I usually have a network to hit them through.

[mikochan]

Can you also send file to me? I would like to get manual.

Thanks
Mike

[beardenbc]

Email's on the way.

[Knobber]

**beardenpc**........ I have a BACNET project coming up where I will be interfacing a Trane Summit system to an Allerton FST-100. This will be my first experience interfacing with Allerton but hardly my first experience with Summit or BACNET.

Is there any chance you could send me an installation or setup/config manual for the FST-100?? I don't really need a programming guide(if applicable to this device). I won't be the one setting up the FST-100 but I would like some basic info on it as far as the BACNET Ethernet side of it. I have found that if I can educate myself on the setup of the other vendor's BACNET interface, the project usually goes much smoother.

Any information you could provide would be very appreciated.

Thanks,
Knobber

**BTW, I APOLOGIZE FOR HI-JACKING THIS THREAD!!

[beardenbc]

Sure, I can get you some info. The FST is pretty easy to use, basicly a battery powered global controller used at an bacnet over ethernet gateway. Everything configuration wise is done over serial interface via hyperterminal. Just gimme your email and I'll see what I can find you.

[Knobber]

Sure, I can get you some info. The FST is pretty easy to use, basicly a battery powered global controller used at an bacnet over ethernet gateway. Everything configuration wise is done over serial interface via hyperterminal. Just gimme your email and I'll see what I can find you.

Any info would be great. My e-mail is rjhumbert at MSN dot COM.

Thanks again,
Knobber.

[chadtech]

Anyway I could get that Alerton programmers guide emailed to me also... I am justing beginning to learn alerton and this guide would be nice. cerwin at entek-inc dot com

[chadtech]

Btt

[getsmart07]

would you be able to send me a copy as well thanks, also has anyone had any success integrating a Envision bacnet controller with any third party hardware? thanks

[jletts31]

I took a programming crash course at alerton. They didn't give us to much data
for when the test was issued. I failed some questions they didn't show us how to complete. Had to do with devie :42 and Device:46. Help on how they combine

[vensev]

Can I email you directly for some technical issues I'm facing 'bout the Jace and Alerton integration?

[vensev]

Lemme know if you've got any questions. Alerton DDC is about 90% of my job so I can fill in anything that it doesn't cover.

Sorry... forgot to quote...:)

[jletts31]

I sent a pic with my quote. did you see it?

[irvedwmac]

Could you also send the Programmer's guide LTBT-TM-PRGRMR Rev. 0008 file to me? I would like to get manual.
I have to work out a project in which I have to network our system with an Alerton system, and I am having a terrible time trying to find any information how these systems will integrate together.

Thanks
Ed Macall

[danhoc]

would you be able to send me a copy as well thanks, I just started project and this guide would be a big help
thanks again,

[boardsmoker]

would you be able to send me a copy as well thanks, I just started project and this guide would be a big help
thanks again,

danhoc,
I emailed you a copy of the programming guide. Hope it helps. If you need other manuals or have any to share please let me know.

Best regards,
Boardsmoker

[jgelectech]

Hi,Please help,I'm new at Alerton and would appreciate any training or other educational material that you may be able to share with me.


Thank You.
Sincerely,Jack

[boardsmoker]

Hi,Please help,I'm new at Alerton and would appreciate any training or other educational material that you may be able to share with me.


Thank You.
Sincerely,Jack


jgelectech,

You have no email address posted in your profile. I will be happy to help you out with manuals, What do you need?
Let me know when you have an email address to send stuff to.

Best regards,
Boardsmoker

[jgelectech]

Good evening Boardsmoker,any thing that would be useful to program,install and service Alerton DDC would be appreciated.

Thank You,
jgelecmech

[boardsmoker]

jgelectech,

you've got mail.

Best regards,
Boardsmoker

[paulturnkey]

could I get some info also thanks

[boardsmoker]

could I get some info also thanks

You've got mail.
Best regards,
Boardsmoker

[neonhomer]

I could use a copy as well! I had a cheat sheet, but it is waaay old...

[boardsmoker]

I could use a copy as well! I had a cheat sheet, but it is waaay old...

You've got mail.

Best regards,
Boardsmoker

[mustangbill]

Could I please get anything you have for envision bacnet and ibex.


Thanks,


Bill

[berendadam]

Could someone please send me the programmers manual/ training manual. We have lost ours at our facility and I'm having a hard time trying to figure out the calibration factor. email is
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[wheatmo]

Hi

I too would appreciate copies of the manuals. My email is
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Much appreciated.

[boardsmoker]

Hey guys,
I had a computer meltdown and I'm still in the process of re-loading files.
I will send the requested material as it becomes available.

Boardsmoker

[CerealKiller]

If you could add me to that list, that would be great. Thanks.

[schmunkel98]

Please add me to that list as well for the manual. My email is
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[chadtech]

You all have mail.

Have fun

[champmove]

I have a system at my building. No one in the area knows this system can anyone provide a manual for using and programming?

[Control Loopy]

I would also appreciate a copy of any manual(s) that give some details of any Alerton controllers and displays - old and new.
In the UK the product was sold and looked after by only one company, however since the take over of one controls manufacturer by another - they have been restricted to maintenance only.

Hence many of the projects they have done, have now moved on to other systems, and the Alerton is left and often becomes the poorer relative.

I have a few customers who have Alerton units with no displays or means of access or interrogation, hence they 'stop working' in the customers eyes.

Info on the software and the unit interrogation would definately help to tell the truth and save some of the product from replacement.

Any help would be appreciated, thanks - email in profile.

[boardsmoker]

I have a system at my building. No one in the area knows this system can anyone provide a manual for using and programming?

You've got mail.

Regards,
Boardsmoker

[boardsmoker]

I would also appreciate a copy of any manual(s) that give some details of any Alerton controllers and displays - old and new.

You've got mail.
Regards,
Boardsmoker

[boardsmoker]

Please add me to that list as well for the manual.

I don't see an email address in your profile. I will send you what I have when you add your email address.
Regards,
Boardsmoker

[boardsmoker]

If you could add me to that list, that would be great. Thanks.

You've got mail.
Regards,
Boardsmoker

[boardsmoker]

Hi

I too would appreciate copies of the manuals. My email is
Much appreciated.

I don't see an email address in your profile. I'll sent you what I have when you add it.

[boardsmoker]

[QUOTE=berendadam;2830552]Could someone please send me the programmers manual/ training manual. We have lost ours at our facility and I'm having a hard time trying to figure out the calibration factor.

I don't see an email address in your profile. I'll sent you what I have when you add it.

[boardsmoker]

Could I please get anything you have for envision bacnet and ibex.


Thanks,


Bill

You've got mail.
Regards,
Boardsmoker

[Chet1508]

Please add me too the list...Thank you

[bjctjc72]

any chance of getting a copy of this manual

[boardsmoker]

Please add me too the list...Thank you

You've got mail.
Regards,
Boardsmoker

[boardsmoker]

any chance of getting a copy of this manual
You've got mail,
Regards,
Boardsmoker

[jran74]

Could I also get a copy?

Thanks,
Jason.

[new_ddc]

USB Tech Key

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Do you know if the Tech Key has the reps name embedded in it or is it generic? tia. Tom

[kontrolphreak]

Is there a master list of the Alerton standard visual-logic applications? It's a pain having to open the app to see what it is. Thanks in advance.

kontrol out

[doubleduece]

look thru the Alerton Standard folder I think there is a Excel file in there that has that info

[vntung]

USB Tech Key

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Do you know if the Tech Key has the reps name embedded in it or is it generic? tia. Tom

you can use USB tech key with any project which you create.

[new_ddc]

you can use USB tech key with any project which you create.

I have an extra USB tech key. Anyone need it?

[Chet1508]

new_ddc,

I am interested, send me a email its in my profile

Thanks, Chet

[german 8'er]

Beardenbc,

I have an old customer in a new facility. We shyed away from servicing them due to their network heavy controls that we were unfamiliar with. They insist that we service them and are willing to give us time to learn the product. What information or literature can you guide me to to get me under way? They have the Alerton "Envision for BACtalk" system.

[doubleduece]

What version of EBT do you have?

[german 8'er]

Looks like I'm dealing with version v2.01. Thanks

[doubleduece]

you've got mail !!!!!

[SamTan]

Hi, we are working on a retrofit job where Envision was installed. Would greatly appreciate if anyone can share it with me?

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Thanks in advance.

[CraziFuzzy]

We'll be taking over a new central hospital and plant shortly, and would love to get some early info on the system. We're going to have some training from climatec in a month or so, but figured I should take a look at the manuals ahead of time. If someone could send me a copy that'd be great. I'd assume it's whatever is the current version (would be lame to NOT be as it's brand new construction). I'm looking not just for operation, but programming as well, if available. Thanks.

[SamTan]

you've got mail !!!!!

Hey thanks! But I didn't see it in my inbox... :confused:
Where did you send it to?

[Chris_Worthington]

Hey thanks! But I didn't see it in my inbox... :confused:
Where did you send it to?

Sam,

You need to add you're email address to your "Profile" so folks can contact you.....

Email addresses are NOT allowed to be placed in a post...


:putergreet:

[SamTan]

Sam,

You need to add you're email address to your "Profile" so folks can contact you.....

Email addresses are NOT allowed to be placed in a post...


:putergreet:

Sorry Chris. Noted about the rule.
Email address added.

[SamTan]

Would appreciate if any kind soul can share the manual..

Thanks!

[doubleduece]

SamTam What r u lookn 4

[bada78]

i lost my tech software key (Dongol) Can any one tell my how to buy anther one because my company will send me to sit on home with my Mather !!

[doubleduece]

You have to buy it through a dealer, not cheap....

[chas_md]

I'd also like if someone could drop me an e-mail with the manual.

Thanks much!