Big Blue = Corporate Greed

[propband]

Hate to stir the proverbial pot, but corporate greed is way out of control. It isn’t enough that Big Blue subs out work overseas, but that now they are bringing technicians from India to program and commission projects here in California. I know that there is a shortage of experienced Techs here in SoCal. but come on.
I wonder if this is how they are cutting costs, and underbidding the little guy.

[mackinaw]

Free trade agreements are not free....

[gbfromsd]

well heck, if we could just get enough kids to graduate high school with enough sense . . . and then make them want to sweat their a**es off for a living.

further goes to show america's lack of internship programs and viable venues into the trades. that's what we need most IMO.

[x-wrenchturner]

Had a few shipped in for a job here on the east coast also.

They were clueless, had to write numerous programs before comming up with an almost workable solution, and never left the workstation to verify any field devices,
The end result seems to be that they generated more work for our local techs.

[IndyBlue]

This is just the beginning and more innovative ideas are in the pipeline.

The stock price is going to double the next few quarters.

[twisted pair]

Innovative. That’s a nice way of saying that;

Many people in the industry have no desire to be employed by Johnson Controls. (sorry x-wrenchturner & mackinaw nothing against you guys).

A lot of there positions offer considerable LOWER than industry standard compensation and depending on the branch office 50-60 hour work weeks.

Innovative, how about Idiotic. Lets fly someone across the world, who in some cases may not speak English fluently, they do not have a personal relationship with the customer (building owner / manager) and are not familiar with individual facilities or sites. Not to mention potential violations in states that require trades people to hold a license.

Ahh 50 Hertz / 60 Hertz, with JCI it all HURTS.

Nice spin Indy, once again your lack of knowledge and common sense are blatantly apparent. Now go back and read the Q3 P&L so you can check on your stocks……..

Here is an innovative idea, why doesn’t JCI fly IndyBlue to India (one way of course).

Stock prices are going to double. You bet, just ask Chet. If they do not finish there jobs after they have been paid that is bound to make the books look good. Not a solid plan for building long term relationships and generating additionally work from your existing customer base.

[IndyBlue]

Innovative. That’s a nice way of saying that;

Many people in the industry have no desire to be employed by Johnson Controls. (sorry x-wrenchturner & mackinaw nothing against you guys).

A lot of there positions offer considerable LOWER than industry standard compensation and depending on the branch office 50-60 hour work weeks.

Innovative, how about Idiotic. Lets fly someone across the world, who in some cases may not speak English fluently, they do not have a personal relationship with the customer (building owner / manager) and are not familiar with individual facilities or sites. Not to mention potential violations in states that require trades people to hold a license.

Ahh 50 Hertz / 60 Hertz, with JCI it all HURTS.

Nice spin Indy, once again your lack of knowledge and common sense are blatantly apparent. Now go back and read the Q3 P&L so you can check on your stocks……..

Here is an innovative idea, why doesn’t JCI fly IndyBlue to India (one way of course).

Stock prices are going to double. You bet, just ask Chet. If they do not finish there jobs after they have been paid that is bound to make the books look good. Not a solid plan for building long term relationships and generating additionally work from your existing customer base.

They are smarter and cheaper. its a win win for the customer and the stock.

The custumers that matter have the very same outsourcing programs. Its a

corporate world ya know. Its all about the bottom line. Get over it or be gone.

[mackinaw]

"Ahh 50 Hertz / 60 Hertz, with JCI it all HURTS." - that's funny, I'll be using that....

Maybe IndyBlue is not from the midwest.....would you like big gulp with your graphics?

[oldtimecontrolsguy]

Yes I have heard that jobs over a certain dollar value- 100K? 200K? are being engineered in India. The drawings and progerams are done there, then emailed over here in some cases. Here's a little clue- it will never work. You cant even understand them well enough to order a Dell Computer from them (I tried twice!). It will just take them a while to find out, after some jobs crash and burn. As usual, it will be the local techs going above and beyond the call of duty who will try make the impossible happen.

I dont know if JCI reads this forum, but as an employee the thing that keeps me going is working for the customers, trying to solve their problems, and being in the trenches with the guys, having their back like a 'band of brothers'. The Indy Blue types make most of us sick. Please dont ever blame the field guys for the management level decisions.

[x-wrenchturner]

blah..blah..blah...:eek:

"Ignore Indy and he will go away.”

[leaflying]

I believe that JCI is not the only one on this road.

[twisted pair]

You cant even understand them well enough to order a Dell Computer from them (I tried twice!).

I was thinking the exact same thing. With Dell we have the same problem calling for service. You call a 1-800 number that goes right to India. I hope this does not sound to bad, but I find it extremely difficult to understand the majority of people I have talked to there. Most are very polite and professional, however it is hard to get past the deep accent.

Here is an idea, why doesn’t JCI try to solve the problem domestically. Maybe try to keep the people with 15-25 years worth of service that are “A” players, instead of filling the roster with rookies that may cost less. While your at it upgrade your incentives and base salary to attract seasoned controls people that have the experience to get the jobs done right.

Outsourcing in this field is a joke. I could see if one branch office needed some expertise from another branch even from another state. However to fly people across the world to compensate for a severe manpower shortage sounds more like a band aid than a solution.

Everyone is busy, yet I do not see Siemens, Honeywell, TAC, Trane or anyone else with the problem as bad as JCI is going through.

Most control companies are a little short on experienced and qualified people, but checkout Monster or Career Builder and JCI has 10-15 positions advertised in many US markets.

Milwaukee if your reading this, I think there’s a problem and flying ABU here is not going fix it long term………..

[freddy-b]

Yes I have heard that jobs over a certain dollar value- 100K? 200K? are being engineered in India. The drawings and progerams are done there, then emailed over here in some cases. Here's a little clue- it will never work. You cant even understand them well enough to order a Dell Computer from them (I tried twice!). It will just take them a while to find out, after some jobs crash and burn. As usual, it will be the local techs going above and beyond the call of duty who will try make the impossible happen.

I dont know if JCI reads this forum, but as an employee the thing that keeps me going is working for the customers, trying to solve their problems, and being in the trenches with the guys, having their back like a 'band of brothers'. The Indy Blue types make most of us sick. Please dont ever blame the field guys for the management level decisions.

Kind of on this note. Have you talked to Hiro before . Jesus you know how many times that guy pissed me off! AHHHHHHHHHH WAAAAAAAA OAWWWWWWWWW yoAAAAAAAAA . Ya you are smart and know your stuff , but damn man.

[controlgeek]

God I remember talking to Hiro. I knew he had the answer and was right but damned if I knew what he was saying.

[freddy-b]

They are smarter and cheaper. its a win win for the customer and the stock.

The custumers that matter have the very same outsourcing programs. Its a

corporate world ya know. Its all about the bottom line. Get over it or be gone.

Here is one of the custumers of which Indy speaks.

http://www.bgr.org/BGR%20in%20the%20News/Memo_provides_rare_look_at_N.O.'s_City_Hall_TP0205 07.pdf

[poochz]

The previous referenced PDF is PERSONAL greed, not corporate greed (title of the thread). Some people fail to understand that, with 140,000 employees, you're bound to have some bad apples. Heck, there are companies with 20 employees that have 2 bad ones (which is a higher percentage than JCI). The only difference between bad JCI vs bad small shops, is the price range of the greed. JCI handles bigger projects than mom-and-pop shops, therefore they make bigger headlines.

So, what's the difference between someone being greedy over a $20 part or a $2,000,000 contract? Same mentality, just a different goal (less money, but the most that the person can get).

In otherwords, there ARE ethical managers, and percentage-wise, JCI is the same as any other shop. I can find a bad apple in any group of people, JCI just has ALOT more people to pick from and deals with higher dolalrs.

Start comparing JCI with Honeywell/Seimans..same problems. They make headlines because noone cares about the small shop that charged a customer $20 more for a part. People thrive on "WOW, did you hear about???" Just watch the news.

Welcome to humanity.

Outsourcing to me? = BAD idea. It's a flat-LON, not a flat-world.

poochz

[HalreyAl]

The previous referenced PDF is PERSONAL greed, not corporate greed (title of the thread). Some people fail to understand that, with 140,000 employees, you're bound to have some bad apples. Heck, there are companies with 20 employees that have 2 bad ones (which is a higher percentage than JCI). The only difference between bad JCI vs bad small shops, is the price range of the greed. JCI handles bigger projects than mom-and-pop shops, therefore they make bigger headlines.

So, what's the difference between someone being greedy over a $20 part or a $2,000,000 contract? Same mentality, just a different goal (less money, but the most that the person can get).

In otherwords, there ARE ethical managers, and percentage-wise, JCI is the same as any other shop. I can find a bad apple in any group of people, JCI just has ALOT more people to pick from and deals with higher dolalrs.

Start comparing JCI with Honeywell/Seimans..same problems. They make headlines because noone cares about the small shop that charged a customer $20 more for a part. People thrive on "WOW, did you hear about???" Just watch the news.

Welcome to humanity.

Outsourcing to me? = BAD idea. It's a flat-LON, not a flat-world.

poochz

OH YAH! Keep it coming, I just love it when blue peeps talk down to others.....and make excuses.

BTW: You WON'T find one in our mom & pop shop!

[CascadeControl]

Outsourcing is he future of all new construction. I have done a couple of jobs for mechanical contractors w/ factory-supplied controls on EVERYTHING. All I do is ad a COM trunk and intergrade to it all. Add a few field sensors and let the commissioning agent battle with some guy in Oman, Jordan to get the system to run correctly.

PS.. I talked to the guy in Oman, Jordan and he is very excited to be getting paid $1500 a month to do controls.

[controls_tech]

Brute force(Cheapest way to the top) works only so far in this industry, "I think". Enough customers will get pissed off at JCI after these FOBs turn their buildings into mush. Hopefully this will give the Mom-n-Pop shops a better chance to start going after the bigger jobs. There are these places called 'critical facilities', ie data centers, hospitals, biomed research facilities that need professional installation & will not tolerate this. When the facilities engineer is watching 5 guys commission an air handler or trouble-shoot a relay, he can't possibly have a 'warm -n- fuzzy' & word gets around town quick in controls-land as you all know. I can't honestly see Johnny-5 manning these contracts with Apu. On that thought... I think my new cell ring-tone will be that Indian guy from Short Circuit saying Johnny-5, lol. Sit back and enjoy the show! I'm sure it will just be job security for the experienced/skilled controls guys in the long run.

[freddy-b]

The bottom line is that Johnson is turning into a joke. The McDonalds strategy wont work in this business. Its funny to watch. I knew it was going to all along, but its happening way faster than anyone could have imagined.
Its freaking hilarious. Its only a matter of time. The voodoo accounting can only last so long. We'll see.

X lives in a dilusional utopia. I am sure X is a good tech and a honest person, but if you sleep with pigs dont get offended when other people tell you stink like pig ****.

[coleman carter]

My dear Mr. freddy-b,

You are insane. As a certified master ABCS of Johnson Controls, Inc. I must tell you that you are out of line. Just because the number one hvac company in the world is not interested in you, do not be mad.

Coleman Carter - Johnson Controls, Inc. Master ABCS

[rolo]

i wont wrok for johnsun they are gypsies

[freddy-b]

My dear Mr. freddy-b,

You are insane. As a certified master ABCS of Johnson Controls, Inc. I must tell you that you are out of line. Just because the number one hvac company in the world is not interested in you, do not be mad.

Coleman Carter - Johnson Controls, Inc. Master ABCS

I'm just furious! Guess i'll just have to become a ABCS that sells and services NAE's. I do love them so.

[x-wrenchturner]

but if you sleep with pigs dont get offended when other people tell you stink like pig ****.

Freddy, you crack me up!
:D
Your indisputable snapshots of reality are gems!

It is a true gift to be able to tell somebody to go to he**, and then have them leave smiling!
:)

[x-wrenchturner]

Enough customers will get pissed off at JCI after these FOBs turn their buildings into mush. ... There are these places called 'critical facilities', ie data centers, hospitals, biomed research facilities that need professional installation & will not tolerate this.

I bet my data center is bigger then your data center!:D

Does your data center customer also take you fishing, out to ball games, out to eat, and come by the house for a cold beer and steamed crabs?:D

Just get their variable flow chillers humming along and they will start wispering sweet nothings in your ear!

[mackinaw]

Hey guys if we're gonna bash at least get the colors right...we are no longer blue. The new color is green as in the earth and environment...or maybe it's money. JCI really cares now, can't you see they changed their colors.

[BlueThunder]

*I very much believe in the environmental friendly stance that we have taken. It was a big factor in giving me a warm feeling inside when I accepted my job. We are just custodians of mother earth and we all need to think green first. Al Gore has proven that this man made disaster is going to kill us all, unless more people and corporations take a stance like Hillary Clinton and we have.
*We have probably done more to protect the earth for generations to come than any other non governmental entity in the world. Once again, we are the worldwide committed leader. I can't imagine what horrible shape the world would be in without our leadership in the green movement.
*I don't know why anyone would make excuses for the implied greed.
*With all the good the we do with a good part of the profits, it's acceptable, or maybe even a responsibility.
*There's always a story behind the story, so the news story from LA I'd say is more than face value. Maybe that money was going to feed some children, cloth some homeless, house the poor, pay for medical treatment for the poor, build a church, or purchase carbon offsets/plant trees, those are good things. I believe that the end justifies the means.
* *

[x-wrenchturner]

Indy?

I thought you were leaving?

Then again,
I also thought it was aganist the rules to have multiple screen names,
so what do I know.

[control$]

Hillary and Al...the two smartest people in the world. It's warm outside, we get it.

[HalreyAl]

Then again,
I also thought it was aganist the rules to have multiple screen names,
so what do I know.

That's true, xcarter/thunder.

[LMiller]

*I very much believe in the environmental friendly stance that we have taken. It was a big factor in giving me a warm feeling inside when I accepted my job. We are just custodians of mother earth and we all need to think green first. Al Gore has proven that this man made disaster is going to kill us all, unless more people and corporations take a stance like Hillary Clinton and we have.
*We have probably done more to protect the earth for generations to come than any other non governmental entity in the world. Once again, we are the worldwide committed leader. I can't imagine what horrible shape the world would be in without our leadership in the green movement.
*I don't know why anyone would make excuses for the implied greed.
*With all the good the we do with a good part of the profits, it's acceptable, or maybe even a responsibility.
*There's always a story behind the story, so the news story from LA I'd say is more than face value. Maybe that money was going to feed some children, cloth some homeless, house the poor, pay for medical treatment for the poor, build a church, or purchase carbon offsets/plant trees, those are good things. I believe that the end justifies the means.
* *


What a laughable joke!! Global Warming??? Come to Louisiana! I'll show you hot!

JCI is as crooked as they come. Here they have Architects, Engineers and facility managers convinced that they are the only ones that can properly install and program control systems. People are begining to see there are better systems and service out there. Big Blue may always be big but unless they change their policies, they will never be able to offer a customer the quality and support a smaller independent can.

[Chris_Worthington]

"JCI is as crooked as they come,,,they will never be able to offer a customer the quality and support a smaller independent can".............

Amen brother,,,,,,,as more and more time goes by, there is more and more getting away from the "Big Blue". Customers, service tech's, programmers, have had enough.........

Nice to see things such as Tridium adding multi open protocol network adapters to our industry.....

[BlueThunder]

What a laughable joke!! Global Warming???

*Global warming is not a joke, it is a very serious matter.
*I'm sure it's hot over there in LA, isn't that why the ladies have a hard time keeping their shirts on during Mardi Gras. :D:D:D

[x-wrenchturner]

*Global warming is not a joke, it is a very serious matter.
*I'm sure it's hot over there in LA, isn't that why the ladies have a hard time keeping their shirts on during Mardi Gras. :D:D:D


No.

It's because of the beads.


jeeze.....

[Blackbeard]

Blue Thunder, are you serious? That whole post is completely sarcastic right? Global warming is great for business by the way. Good job security. As the hole in the ozone gets bigger and the glaciers melt, imagine the loads on these buildings in 20 years! I see definite upgrades in the sizes of current mechanical equipment.

[techro251]

Is this the truth? I have just started my career with JCI and googled this thread and find it very interesting.
Techro:confused:

[berg2666]

OH YAH! Keep it coming, I just love it when blue peeps talk down to others.....and make excuses.

BTW: You WON'T find one in our mom & pop shop!


One what?

[berg2666]

Lets all blame JCI for global warming also.

[joey791]

http://www.tulanelink.com/tulanelink/johnsoncontrols_06a.htm

http://news.usti.net/home/news/cn/?/news.crime.fraud+embezzle/1/wed/cl/Uus-corrupt.Rhju_Fa3.html

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/lae/press/2006/2006_01_25_songy_plea.htm

For more info google Jonson Controls Corruption New Orleans

[berg2666]

SO because a JCI employee and a city employee acted up and got caught then it is JCI's fault and corporate greed.


I can google stuff all day long about greed and corruption and the company those people worked for. But that will be JCI's fault also HUH

[berg2666]

I guess the JCI employee should have went work for the NAACP, he would have not been charged just like the guy who went to work for the urban league.

[berg2666]

I believe this needs to be moved to the general discussion section. Has nothing to do with controls.

[GONFISHN]

Then don't read it! I love the FX40 line we have access to. Thanks JCI.

[GONFISHN]

My bad, thanks TRIDIUM!

[NINAX]

I believe this needs to be moved to the general discussion section. Has nothing to do with controls.

'Controls' should include business practices as well as technical information.

[freddy-b]

They are all greedy a-holes at the corporate level. Some are just more obvious than others.

[berg2666]

'Controls' should include business practices as well as technical information.

OH I forgot isn't there a buisness section.

[mackinaw]

Name one corporation with stockholders that isn't greedy? :rolleyes:

[NINAX]

OH I forgot isn't there a buisness section.

Oh, that's OK. I guess I'll have to expand on it for you.

The business practices of control companies/contractors could arguably be at least as important as the product. I would submit that it most important. Interdependent and inseparable.

But, you know that.
You just don't like it because it's the company you have chosen to work for.

[freddy-b]

Name one corporation with stockholders that isn't greedy? :rolleyes:

There is not. The financial world has no ethics. More more more......til there is no more.

Code of Ethics does not apply until you need to to hide behind it.

[phantomtech]

NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA - Jim Letten, United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Louisiana, James Bernazzani, Special Agent in Charge, Federal Bureau of Investigation, New Orleans Field Division, and Mike Nelson, Special Agent in Charge, Internal Revenue Service, New Orleans Field Division, announced that TERRY SONGY, the project manager for the $33 million dollar Johnson Controls, Inc. energy savings contract with the City of New Orleans, pled guilty today to the felonies of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and tax evasion as part of a plea bargain agreement. SONGY pled guilty before United States District Judge Sarah S. Vance.

SONGY admitted to being involved in a scheme to defraud his former employer, Johnson Controls, Inc., of his honest and faithful services. According to documents filed in federal court today, SONGY accepted kickbacks from Johnson Controls’ subcontractors. SONGY also admitted to receiving cash and vacation benefits from a Johnson Controls’ consultant.

I have heard this argument before.
It clearly states the project manager in step with the subcontractors were defrauding JCI. So one Bad Scumbay project manager means the other 140,000 employers of JCI are also scumbags.

[freddy-b]

NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA - Jim Letten, United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Louisiana, James Bernazzani, Special Agent in Charge, Federal Bureau of Investigation, New Orleans Field Division, and Mike Nelson, Special Agent in Charge, Internal Revenue Service, New Orleans Field Division, announced that TERRY SONGY, the project manager for the $33 million dollar Johnson Controls, Inc. energy savings contract with the City of New Orleans, pled guilty today to the felonies of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and tax evasion as part of a plea bargain agreement. SONGY pled guilty before United States District Judge Sarah S. Vance.

SONGY admitted to being involved in a scheme to defraud his former employer, Johnson Controls, Inc., of his honest and faithful services. According to documents filed in federal court today, SONGY accepted kickbacks from Johnson Controls’ subcontractors. SONGY also admitted to receiving cash and vacation benefits from a Johnson Controls’ consultant.

I have heard this argument before.
It clearly states the project manager in step with the subcontractors were defrauding JCI. So one Bad Scumbay project manager means the other 140,000 employers of JCI are also scumbags.

There is a whole lot more than just the one Rogue (Fallguy)... Multimillion dollor projects dont get pushed thru by one lowly project manager.
And about half of the proposed "upgrades and energy savings" were for phantom buildings. Come on now................

[phantomtech]

There is a whole lot more than just the one Rogue (Fallguy)... Multimillion dollor projects dont get pushed thru by one lowly project manager.
And about half of the proposed "upgrades and energy savings" were for phantom buildings. Come on now................


Details:
Do you have a copy of the contract you can send me.

[freddy-b]

There is a whole lot more than just the one Rogue (Fallguy)... Multimillion dollor projects dont get pushed thru by one lowly project manager.
And about half of the proposed "upgrades and energy savings" were for phantom buildings. Come on now................


Details:
Do you have a copy of the contract you can send me.

I can read ...more than just the headlines. I can add and multiply too!

Google is your friend! Google.com

[joey791]

There is a whole lot more than just the one Rogue (Fallguy)... Multimillion dollor projects dont get pushed thru by one lowly project manager.
And about half of the proposed "upgrades and energy savings" were for phantom buildings. Come on now................


Details:
Do you have a copy of the contract you can send me.

Actually Freddy is speaking the truth, word on the street was it bigger than just Songy

[berg2666]

[QUOTE=phantomtech;1879959]NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA - Jim Letten, United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Louisiana, James Bernazzani, Special Agent in Charge, Federal Bureau of Investigation, New Orleans Field Division, and Mike Nelson, Special Agent in Charge, Internal Revenue Service, New Orleans Field Division, announced that TERRY SONGY, the project manager for the $33 million dollar Johnson Controls, Inc. energy savings contract with the City of New Orleans, pled guilty today to the felonies of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and tax evasion as part of a plea bargain agreement. SONGY pled guilty before United States District Judge Sarah S. Vance.

SONGY admitted to being involved in a scheme to defraud his former employer, Johnson Controls, Inc., of his honest and faithful services. According to documents filed in federal court today, SONGY accepted kickbacks from Johnson Controls’ subcontractors. SONGY also admitted to receiving cash and vacation benefits from a Johnson Controls’ consultant.

I have heard this argument before.
It clearly states the project manager in step with the subcontractors were defrauding JCI. So one Bad Scumbay project manager means the other 140,000 employers of JCI are also scumbags.


Are you saying that based on what some guy does to defraud JCI that we all at JCI are made out to be scumbags because of the actions of one.

[joey791]

No that was never said, go back and read the thread title

Your trying to make this personal, were not

[mackinaw]

And about half of the proposed "upgrades and energy savings" were for phantom buildings. Come on now................



And we got zero comfort complaints from all phantom buildings, once again proving the capability of the NAE platform. I wonder if they thought to sell a full service contract also.....:D

[freddy-b]

And we got zero comfort complaints from all phantom buildings, once again proving the capability of the NAE platform. I wonder if they thought to sell a full service contract also.....:D

Dont forget about project verification!

[mackinaw]

Dont forget about project verification!

commission by exception....

[freddy-b]

commission by exception....

Exactly.....That applies to alot of jobs/companies. I think its a crazy practice myself.

[mackinaw]

Exactly.....That applies to alot of jobs/companies. I think its a crazy practice myself.

But it does sound cool....almost sounds like you're getting something extra....:eek:

[freddy-b]

But it does sound cool....almost sounds like you're getting something extra....:eek:

Ya, They are getting something extra alright. smack, slip ,push style.....with a smile.

[orion242]

Originally Posted by mackinaw
And we got zero comfort complaints from all phantom buildings, once again proving the capability of the NAE platform. I wonder if they thought to sell a full service contract also.....

Dont forget about project verification!

LOL....I think I just wet myself!

[joey791]

And we got zero comfort complaints from all phantom buildings, once again proving the capability of the NAE platform. I wonder if they thought to sell a full service contract also.....:D

good one Mack:D

[sysint]

JCI just got an award for ethics... I laughed.

The Ethisphere Institute

[b25crew]

You guys (and gals) crack me up. I have not been entertained so well in a long long time.:)

I understand that "BIGBLUE" is the evil empire (not mine I saw it in these forums somewhere) (Yeah I work for the Evil Empire!!!). The New Orleans thing first I heard of it - (it wasn't in the JCI website that I saw anyway - imagine that!!!:eek:) There almost had to be more "JCI" people involved at the least somebody had else had to be aware. Politics in cities drives business if you don't play politics you don't get squat.

The service you get from BIGBLUE depends upon the front liners that you have in your branch. I hope my customers appreciate what I do for them. I do NOT rip them off in any way and actually GIVE my time quite often.

The corporate wanks do stupid **** all the time - just wait a couple years things will change to the new and improved way we used to do it a few years ago - again and again and again. My/our job to keep the customers happy and keep them customers and roll with the punches from the above corporate wanks till I/we get to the magical day that I/we can start to collect the nonexistent social security!!!!! yeah yeah yeah :mad:

I really do enjoy all the posts and I have been learning allot - hell I didn't know anything about the FX40 series.

Thanks for the entertainment!!! :D

P.S. Global warming (and human involvement) FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!!!

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Storm Trooper in the Evil Empire (more like minion or some other minor character)

[klrogers]

You guys (and gals) crack me up. I have not been entertained so well in a long long time.:)

I understand that "BIGBLUE" is the evil empire (not mine I saw it in these forums somewhere) (Yeah I work for the Evil Empire!!!). The New Orleans thing first I heard of it - (it wasn't in the JCI website that I saw anyway - imagine that!!!:eek:) There almost had to be more "JCI" people involved at the least somebody had else had to be aware. Politics in cities drives business if you don't play politics you don't get squat.

The service you get from BIGBLUE depends upon the front liners that you have in your branch. I hope my customers appreciate what I do for them. I do NOT rip them off in any way and actually GIVE my time quite often.

The corporate wanks do stupid **** all the time - just wait a couple years things will change to the new and improved way we used to do it a few years ago - again and again and again. My/our job to keep the customers happy and keep them customers and roll with the punches from the above corporate wanks till I/we get to the magical day that I/we can start to collect the nonexistent social security!!!!! yeah yeah yeah :mad:

I really do enjoy all the posts and I have been learning allot - hell I didn't know anything about the FX40 series.

Thanks for the entertainment!!! :D

P.S. Global warming (and human involvement) FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!!!

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Storm Trooper in the Evil Empire (more like minion or some other minor character)

Sounds like great teamwork you have there ! You do the work, give your time, and someone else sets a policy that loses your customer. Come on remove those blue tinted glasses and join a real company, where everyone works together to keep the customer happy.

[mackinaw]

Come on remove those blue tinted glasses and join a real company, where everyone works together to keep the customer happy.



For less....:rolleyes:

[freddy-b]

For less....:rolleyes:

Not a chance! by a wide margin. for me at least.

[freddy-b]

You guys (and gals) crack me up. I have not been entertained so well in a long long time.:)

I understand that "BIGBLUE" is the evil empire (not mine I saw it in these forums somewhere) (Yeah I work for the Evil Empire!!!). The New Orleans thing first I heard of it - (it wasn't in the JCI website that I saw anyway - imagine that!!!:eek:) There almost had to be more "JCI" people involved at the least somebody had else had to be aware. Politics in cities drives business if you don't play politics you don't get squat.

The service you get from BIGBLUE depends upon the front liners that you have in your branch. I hope my customers appreciate what I do for them. I do NOT rip them off in any way and actually GIVE my time quite often.

The corporate wanks do stupid **** all the time - just wait a couple years things will change to the new and improved way we used to do it a few years ago - again and again and again. My/our job to keep the customers happy and keep them customers and roll with the punches from the above corporate wanks till I/we get to the magical day that I/we can start to collect the nonexistent social security!!!!! yeah yeah yeah :mad:

I really do enjoy all the posts and I have been learning allot - hell I didn't know anything about the FX40 series.

Thanks for the entertainment!!! :D

P.S. Global warming (and human involvement) FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!!!

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Storm Trooper in the Evil Empire (more like minion or some other minor character)

You are welcome....