Was there ever any doubt?

[chillbilly]

US Military Surveillance has been watching the movement of Iranian and Syrian forces on separate borders of Iraq for years.
They have amassed enough photos and video to conclude that Iranian Revolutionary Guard and Syrian forces are both participating in terrorist acts against American forces in an attempt to step up destabilization efforts.

How long will we have to endure these cowards before we decide to lose the PC bullsheyt and smoke these ba--ards?



http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,2149593,00.html

[geerair]

Oh dear Zeus, Cheney is frothing at the mouth pushing this?

Th man who was continually wrong about Iaq is now trying to start it up with Iran?

Deja vu anybody?

[James 3528]

Yeah, don't mess with Geer's friends and comrades. Jimmy Carter thought they were just misunderstood also.

[chillbilly]

Oh dear Zeus, Cheney is frothing at the mouth pushing this?

Th man who was continually wrong about Iaq is now trying to start it up with Iran?

Deja vu anyody?
And to think, you have the balls to mention "reality" in a post about Iraq.
Here's a "reality" check for you geer.
Our boys are being killed by people crossing the borders to wreak havoc on stability and any chance for a democratic progression.
Bwahhhhh and dear zeus all you'd like.
If you don't want to acknowledge that it's happening, you are blind, stubborn or both.

[geerair]

And to think, you have the balls to mention "reality" in a post about Iraq.
Here's a "reality" check for you geer.
Our boys are being killed by people crossing the borders to wreak havoc on stability and any chance for a democratic progression.
Bwahhhhh and dear zeus all you'd like.
If you don't want to acknowledge that it's happening, you are blind, stubborn or both.They are mostly being killed by Iraqi Sunnis and more recently Shias.

Even the military admits that.

[bigjohn79]

If your neighbor across the street started selling Crack. would you blow up his house? or would you concentrate your efforts on making sure there kids did not get to your kids?

When are we going to end this, walk away, and start protecting our own. Not instigating more problems for ourselves.

[The Doctor]

Was there ever any doubt that we were going after the Persians all the time?
Hegemony needs wars, baby. Gotta protect our national interest and all:rolleyes:

Big John, in this context I would keep my children away, but then when the knuckleheads didn't stay away from them, I would solve global warming by creating the largest glass highway(reflecting solar energy at such a rate as to reduce the greenhouse effect) known to man. Who needs to pave it when you can microwave it?

But in the meanwhile....hey our hegemony numbers are up. More than 900 bases in over 120 countries in the world, according to an article on lewrockwell.com
And look, it's so cute, the one in Iraq will be like the largest.

[chillbilly]

They are mostly being killed by Iraqi Sunnis and more recently Shias.
Even the military admits that.
How exactly do you quantify "mostly being killed"?
What percentages does the military show as being Iraqi versus other forces?
Care to support the statement with a link?
Is it your stance then that because Americans are being killed "mostly by Iraqi's",we should ignore the fact that our boys are also being killed by Iranian and Syrian forces too?

[chillbilly]

If your neighbor across the street started selling Crack. would you blow up his house? or would you concentrate your efforts on making sure there kids did not get to your kids?
I would move to eliminate the threat and not be so silly as to think that I could ignore it and obtain positive results.
Just how do you think you could keep that crackhead out of your front yard?
By telling him to leave? Get real.


When are we going to end this, walk away, and start protecting our own. Not instigating more problems for ourselves.
You can opt to walk away but that sure as hell doesn't mean that your problems will go away just because you decide to leave.

[bigjohn79]

I would move to eliminate the threat and not be so silly as to think that I could ignore it and obtain positive results.
Just how do you think you could keep that crackhead out of your front yard?
By telling him to leave? Get real.


You can opt to walk away but that sure as hell doesn't mean that your problems will go away just because you decide to leave.


I told my self I would never Get involved in a discussion on the Internet that was just going to Piss me off and go nowhere. and that is all this is going to do. I stated my case and now I am going to practice what I said and walk away and You guys run this talk in to smaller and smaller circles and end up where you started.

I keep seeing all these political Threads and every once and a while I click on one. I shouldn't have even posted here. Trying to stick to subjects that are up-lifting not tearing each other down.

[Tool-Slinger]

I told my self I would never Get involved in a discussion on the Internet that was just going to Piss me off and go nowhere. and that is all this is going to do. I stated my case and now I am going to practice what I said and walk away and You guys run this talk in to smaller and smaller circles and end up where you started.

I keep seeing all these political Threads and every once and a while I click on one. I shouldn't have even posted here. Trying to stick to subjects that are up-lifting not tearing each other down.
As the resident known ass, I can say that you must confront evil. If it is your neighbor, another nation, or a little voice in your head... You need to identify it and deal with it.

Keeping your children at home with careful monitoring of friends will not prevent your neihborhood from becoming a drug/slum/crime mecca.

Minding your own business, politically, does not keep iran from obtaining nukes, and they have threatened the USA with "fire",..

Not all subjects are "uplifting", american soldiers are dying by iranian weapons on a regular basis.

'''''''tearing each other down.''''''
Wrong. I come here to be educated by my comrades, even my enemies. The language may be harsh, but points often valid or at least educational about the oppossition.

''''''Trying to stick to subjects that are up-lifting'''''''
That would be page3.com, nothing more uplifting than that.
You are welcome in advance, have a nice day!

[Pagan]

They are mostly being killed by Iraqi Sunnis and more recently Shias.

Even the military admits that.

Tell that to the platoon survivors of the Dead marines and soldiers!

The Iran Special Forces are doing more than conducting small arms fire engagements on our troops and killing them.
The are doing what they are trained to do: Recon, surveillance and Infiltrate!
and thats exactly what they are doing starting with the Iraqi Police and now the Iraqi government which is pre dominantly ****e!

and these shia's that you say are they predominate ones doing the killing,
what makes you confident that they have not been infiltrated aswell?
Shia's are shia's period! it's the same thing with VC and NVA.
different clothes, same weapons and same mentality!
and we all know that both of those groups were equally as devastating against our men on the ground! the vietnam memerial proves it!

[chillbilly]

As the resident known ass, I can say that you must confront evil. If it is your neighbor, another nation, or a little voice in your head... You need to identify it and deal with it.

Keeping your children at home with careful monitoring of friends will not prevent your neihborhood from becoming a drug/slum/crime mecca.

Minding your own business, politically, does not keep iran from obtaining nukes, and they have threatened the USA with "fire",..

Not all subjects are "uplifting", american soldiers are dying by iranian weapons on a regular basis.

'''''''tearing each other down.''''''
Wrong. I come here to be educated by my comrades, even my enemies. The language may be harsh, but points often valid or at least educational about the oppossition.

''''''Trying to stick to subjects that are up-lifting'''''''
That would be page3.com, nothing more uplifting than that.
You are welcome in advance, have a nice day!

I couldn't agree more.
How are we tearing each other down by talking about subjects close to our hearts?
Big John; I wasn't trying to piss you off.
I was trying to illustrate how ignoring real threats can only lead to disaster.

Why is it that some people here can't acknowledge the real truths about the enemies we face in the world?
We have military experts telling us that the Iranians are crossing borders and aiding the insurgency in many ways.
Syria was declared a sponsor of terrorism for the exact same reason.
Because our military has undeniable evidence that they are an enemy combatant committing acts of war against our troops and hiding under the umbrella of "Iraqi insurgency" and the liberals are eating it up like it's barbeque from Bubba's.

[tonys]

You can opt to walk away but that sure as hell doesn't mean that your problems will go away just because you decide to leave.

OTHER than oil and Israel, what 'business' does the U.S. have in the middle east and persia?

...please elaborate, o'great'one...

[James 3528]

OTHER than oil and Israel, what 'business' does the U.S. have in the middle east and persia?

...please elaborate, o'great'one...

What business do we have sending foreign aid there also ?

What business do we have feeding people here that won't work?

If you don't like oil, park your old BMW, then b!tch

[tonys]

hey...it's a 2001, and she runs 'fine'.

but, I am looking at 'downsizing' to a 2008 330i...

[zzonko]

I was trying to illustrate how ignoring real threats can only lead to disaster.

I could not agree more. After 9/11 the real threats were Afghanistan, Pakistan and Saudi_GWB Arabia (Com_Kor also). They still are. Iraq and Iran were way down the list, but now are a real concern.When we finish dealing with these proxy wars, real militaries await us in Russia and China. Last but not least on the list is the 12-17 million man plainclothes mexican army amongst us.

[tonys]

"When we finish dealing with these proxy wars" ?

150,000 military folk is hardly a proxy war.

do you know what a proxy war entails?
(ref. Afghanistan - 1980).

[James 3528]

I could not agree more. After 9/11 the real threats were Afghanistan, Pakistan and Saudi_GWB Arabia (Com_Kor also). They still are. Iraq and Iran were way down the list, but now are a real concern.When we finish dealing with these proxy wars, real militaries await us in Russia and China. Last but not least on the list is the 12-17 million man plainclothes mexican army amongst us.

Proxy war? This sounds like Wahabi Islam and Dictators were only a problem the day after GW was elected. The real threat does not wear a uniform or respect borders.

This all over the radar screen assessment sounds like what we should really do is ignore the obvious and prepare for an invasion from Mars .

[chillbilly]

OTHER than oil and Israel, what 'business' does the U.S. have in the middle east and persia?
.please elaborate, o'great'one...


quote james3528 What business do we have sending foreign aid there also ?

What business do we have feeding people here that won't work?

If you don't like oil, park your old BMW, then b!tch

OUCH



I guess there's no need to elaborate now. since james just summed it up for you quite nicely. Pay attention to what he tells you benzy.

[chillbilly]

Proxy war? This sounds like Wahabi Islam and Dictators were only a problem the day after GW was elected. The real threat does not wear a uniform or respect borders.

This all over the radar screen assessment sounds like what we should really do is ignore the obvious and prepare for an invasion from Mars .

LMFAO!
It looks like you're back in form.

:p

[acmanko]

The real question is why we haven't closed the borders of Iraq, Syria and Iran. From a look of the map of the area , any antagonists would have to walk or ride a long way to get to Bahgdad. I fewe can't close a border over there we have no hope of closing our southern border here.:mad:

[tonys]

LMFAO!
It looks like you're back in form.

:p

are your lips STILL up his arse???

[Pagan]

are your lips STILL up his arse???


not anymore than Geer's "Gear" was up yours!:D :p

[chillbilly]

are your lips STILL up his arse???

Never have been.
It's funny as hell watching him squash you like a cockroach though.
:D :D

[forged alloy]

I look at the overall problem in that region being that we are miss-using our resources. We have this kick-ass military machine playing policeman in a nest of vipers.

Take the reigns off, F the consequences, squash the problem in such a devastating way that our enemies will truly think twice about rattling our fences again, and then get out. Leave them to pick up the pieces of their devastated lives, and lament the losses of so many of their beloved terrorist heroes.

I never much was PC about this sort of thing. The military should be a last resort, used reluctantly, but when called on should be used with overwhelming, unbeatable, unrestrained force.

[chillbilly]

I look at the overall problem in that region being that we are miss-using our resources. We have this kick-ass military machine playing policeman in a nest of vipers.

Take the reigns off, F the consequences, squash the problem in such a devastating way that our enemies will truly think twice about rattling our fences again, and then get out. Leave them to pick up the pieces of their devastated lives, and lament the losses of so many of their beloved terrorist heroes.

I never much was PC about this sort of thing. The military should be a last resort, used reluctantly, but when called on should be used with overwhelming, unbeatable, unrestrained force.

I agree wholeheartedly. This "war" in the ME could have been ended in such a fashion if our leaders had the will to do so. But they don't.
We have become a nation that lacks the collective will to see our objectives through.
Our enemies? We can't even rely on our own intelligence to tell us who they are. And when intel does get it right, our leaders don't follow through.

[comfort dog]

I never much was PC about this sort of thing. The military should be a last resort, used reluctantly, but when called on should be used with overwhelming, unbeatable, unrestrained force.


Exactly.....Let our guys do what has to be done to suppress the insurgents..... and leave them the way we found em...