A thought about "Thiests"

[lhatton]

Atheism has nearly always been with us in one form or another, but the atheists we’ve been hearing the most from lately—chiefly Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris—are a new breed. Unlike the old-school humanists, the new atheists—or anti-theists, as some of them prefer to be called—don’t want to just deny the existence of God, they want to wipe religion off the map... That’s why I believe the anti-theist movement, as hot as it is right now with books like Hitchens’s topping the bestseller lists, is doomed to fail. The moment you take it seriously and start to study it, it falls apart. There’s no substance, just anger and a lot of hot air. Because anti-theists simply ignore evidence and arguments they don’t like, they’re ill-equipped to deal with them rationally. The old-guard secular humanists are questioning this new trend, and rightly so. Most traditional atheists simply had their own belief system, and if we wanted our belief system that was okay. The new breed reflects the death of truth. They’re like the Communists who feared religion more than anything else because it was a competing truth claim... When you think about it this way, you have to wonder if the anti-theists, in their heart of hearts, are a little uncomfortable with their own beliefs. After all, if you really believe that truth will win out—and to Hitchens and company, their idea of truth is so obvious that it cannot fail to win—you can let other people make their own claims and live by their own beliefs without feeling the need to destroy everything they stand for.” —Chuck Colson (http://patriotpost.us/opinion/entrylist.asp?source_id=53)

[scrogdog]

Because anti-theists simply ignore evidence and arguments they don’t like

I can't believe that I just read that! Talk about throwing stones from glass houses. :eek:

:D

[lhatton]

I can't believe that I just read that! Talk about throwing stones from glass houses. :eek:

:D

My apologies Scrog. This thread was not meant to shock you, or even aimed at you (self proclaimed agnostic) So if I offended you from my glass house I'm sorry. This is more about the thought process of Geer, acmancow and tinkerbell. I hope we're still good.

[scrogdog]

My apologies Scrog. This thread was not meant to shock you, or even aimed at you (self proclaimed agnostic) So if I offended you from my glass house I'm sorry. This is more about the thought process of Geer, acmancow and tinkerbell. I hope we're still good.

No, I am not at all offended. You didn't write the article anyway.

Just making a humorous (I think - lol) observation.

All is well. Carry on. :)

[acmanko]

My apologies Scrog. This thread was not meant to shock you, or even aimed at you (self proclaimed agnostic) So if I offended you from my glass house I'm sorry. This is more about the thought process of Geer, acmancow and tinkerbell. I hope we're still good. well sir, I believe you know nothing of the thought processes I am capable of , aetheist Have been around loger than Your Christian Lord and his Father. they existed during the times of Pharoah, not all men on Earth considered them gods

so many people are brainwashed into believing who God is they seem to forget what God is.

[geerair]

Atheism has nearly always been with us in one form or another, but the atheists we’ve been hearing the most from lately—chiefly Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris—are a new breed. Unlike the old-school humanists, the new atheists—or anti-theists, as some of them prefer to be called—don’t want to just deny the existence of God, they want to wipe religion off the map...I think Mr. Colson is beating the drums to gin up the fear that a dirty horde of god-hating Atheists is organizing to burn down the village church while putting the tar and feathers to the saintly parish priest or preacher.

Mr. Colson knows that a hideous menace brings in the bucks from shivering church members desperate to be protected from roving bands of atheists. I wonder if Mr. Colson's organization is suffering from a dwindling bank account and needs to rev up something more real and immediate than Satan to shake the money out of terrified church goers?

I guess Mr. Colson figured that the secular humanists were just too mild and inoffensive to really get a good fear sweat going.

Now he's got these foaming monsters that are dedicated to destroying all religion.

What Mr. Colson doesn't realize is that Atheists are among the strongest supporters of Constitutionally guaranteed religious freedoms because without religious freedom, freedom from religion is threatened and vice versa.

Well, whatever it takes to bring in the bucks, eh Chuck?



That’s why I believe the anti-theist movement, as hot as it is right now with books like Hitchens’s topping the bestseller lists, is doomed to fail.I fail to see a movement. At least anything organized enough to be called a movement. Colson seem to confuse an openess to ideas and an increasing tolerance of Atheism with a movement.





The moment you take it seriously and start to study it, it falls apart. There’s no substance, just anger and a lot of hot air. Because anti-theists simply ignore evidence and arguments they don’t like, they’re ill-equipped to deal with them rationally. Wow. Is there still a functioning irony meter anywhere on Earth?

Rationality? Here is a goof who is convinced there are talking snakes, donkeys and bushes, invisible spooks in the sky, believes dead people can be magically brought back to life, hasn't a shred of credible evidence that his assertions are true, has nothing more than an ancient book of plagiarized myths as his guidebook and he has the gall to state that atheists are unable to deal with arguments in a rational manner?

That my friends, is world class, chrome plated irony.



The old-guard secular humanists are questioning this new trend, and rightly so. Most traditional atheists simply had their own belief system, and if we wanted our belief system that was okay. The new breed reflects the death of truth.Death of truth? If anything, all atheists have is truth and rationality.

No dogma, no ancient myths, no ridiculously twisted logic to believe, no leaps of faith, no invisible sky daddies, no spirits or spooks, no supernatural world or bent spoons, no sun stopping for a day, no implausible and scientifically impossible global floods, no tortured apologetics.




They’re like the Communists who feared religion more than anything else because it was a competing truth claim... When you think about it this way, you have to wonder if the anti-theists, in their heart of hearts, are a little uncomfortable with their own beliefs.Classic theist projection.

It is more likely that theists, given that the trend of science, archaeology, Near East studies and many academic disciplines is towards naturalism and contradiction of biblical events, have good reason to be uncomfortable with their beliefs.



After all, if you really believe that truth will win out—and to Hitchens and company, their idea of truth is so obvious that it cannot fail to win—you can let other people make their own claims and live by their own beliefs without feeling the need to destroy everything they stand for.” What Hitchens and others are saying is that religion will fail not because of Atheists actions but because the truth that religion sells is nothing more than mythology and that pure reason and evidence will eventually become obvious to all.


Chuck Colson, former Nixon thug, who wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the ass lecturing others about truth?





Priceless!!!!!!!!

[geerair]

No, I am not at all offended. You didn't write the article anyway.

Just making a humorous (I think - lol) observation.

All is well. Carry on. :)Well, I was one of the targets but it is hard to be offended by such a laughably lame "The Atheists Are Coming, The Atheists Are Coming" rant. ;) :D :D

Actually I could see George Carlin doing this word for word as a comedy bit and bringing down the house. :D :D

[lhatton]

well sir, I believe you know nothing of the thought processes I am capable of , aetheist Have been around loger than Your Christian Lord and his Father. they existed during the times of Pharoah, not all men on Earth considered them gods

so many people are brainwashed into believing who God is they seem to forget what God is.


There’s no substance, just anger and a lot of hot air. Because anti-theists simply ignore evidence and arguments they don’t like, they’re ill-equipped to deal with them rationally.

[lhatton]

Sorry Geer, I know your talkin, I just can't hear you (your on my ignore list SSSHHH):cool: :p

[acmanko]

There’s no substance, just anger and a lot of hot air. Because anti-theists simply ignore evidence and arguments they don’t like, they’re ill-equipped to deal with them rationally.what ever, while your at it, prove God exists.

[lhatton]

what ever, while your at it, prove God exists.

There’s no substance, just anger and a lot of hot air. Because anti-theists simply ignore evidence and arguments they don’t like, they’re ill-equipped to deal with them rationally.

[lhatton]

what ever, while your at it, prove God exists.

The new breed reflects the death of truth. They’re like the Communists who feared religion more than anything else because it was a competing truth claim... When you think about it this way, you have to wonder if the anti-theists, in their heart of hearts, are a little uncomfortable with their own beliefs.

[oloenneker]

what ever, while your at it, prove God exists.

He can't, therefore the long winded anti atheist rant.

[lhatton]

what ever, while your at it, prove God exists.
Since it's you denying Gods existance, you have the responsibility to prove He doesn't exist. I'm waiting with baited breath

As stated in original post,
The new breed reflects the death of truth. They’re like the Communists who feared religion more than anything else because it was a competing truth claim... When you think about it this way, you have to wonder if the anti-theists, in their heart of hearts, are a little uncomfortable with their own beliefs.

[acmanko]

well, as unlikely as it may seem to you, right after I wrote that , a dark cloud with a brillant spot of light settled over me. It was god. He spoke to me, said he loved me regardless and that the fight I was in with the fundalmentalist Bible thumpers was a fight worth fighting. I said how can this be and he responded"They are wrong, I did not wright that book and Hell is getting filled faster than I intended, I must be off to find more room for these misguided children."

[ga-hvac-tech]

well sir, I believe you know nothing of the thought processes I am capable of , aetheist Have been around loger than Your Christian Lord and his Father. they existed during the times of Pharoah, not all men on Earth considered them gods

so many people are brainwashed into believing who God is they seem to forget what God is.

Well Ack, I guess I will have to suggest you are wrong on this one.

The God of Christianity and His Son Jesus Christ are Spirit beings. Christ chose to take the form of a man for a while. But if your great mind was indeed sooo well educated, you would know that Scripture clearly states that Christ is part of God, and as such has no beginning and no end. So LOOOOONG before mankind (or for that matter this chunk of rock we call earth) existed, God was. That is why the statement "I am" carries so much weight in the Judeo/Christian faith. God just is, period.

And no, I am not going to debate proving this. I have stated this enough times, but one more time for you: I have seen sooo many miracles from God that defy logic, I am convinced.

[ga-hvac-tech]

He can't, therefore the long winded anti atheist rant.

Hi Ollie,

Lessee how this goes: while you cannot prove that God does not exist to my satisfaction, I also cannot prove that He does exist to your satisfaction. Seems we have an impass.

But then, IMO the premise God put forth in the Judeo/Christian group is faith. Funny word. Perhaps we will get around to debating it someday.

[ga-hvac-tech]

well, as unlikely as it may seem to you, right after I wrote that , a dark cloud with a brillant spot of light settled over me. It was god. He spoke to me, said he loved me regardless and that the fight I was in with the fundalmentalist Bible thumpers was a fight worth fighting. I said how can this be and he responded"They are wrong, I did not wright that book and Hell is getting filled faster than I intended, I must be off to find more room for these misguided children."

Be thankful God has a sense of humor...:rolleyes:

Otherwise that cloud might erupt and a bolt of lightning, well, you know...:eek:

[geerair]

Sorry Geer, I know your talkin, I just can't hear you (your on my ignore list SSSHHH):cool: :pBawhahahahahahahah.

Didn't Colson say something about simply ignoring things?


Does ihatton's comment say it all or what? :D :D

[lhatton]

well, as unlikely as it may seem to you, right after I wrote that , a dark cloud with a brillant spot of light settled over me. It was god. He spoke to me, said he loved me regardless and that the fight I was in with the fundalmentalist Bible thumpers was a fight worth fighting. I said how can this be and he responded"They are wrong, I did not wright that book and Hell is getting filled faster than I intended, I must be off to find more room for these misguided children."

For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in amoung you. They are Godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Jude 1:4

[oloenneker]

Bawhahahahahahahah.

Didn't Colson say something about simply ignoring things?


Does ihatton's comment say it all or what? :D :D

Well, so far he has dodged all of the actual questions posed to him.

Speaks volumes. Kind of reminds me of that debate that was moderated by Martin Besheer (sp) where Kirk Cameron and his pastor or whatever he was where unable to prove god existed without making any references to the bible.

[oloenneker]

Hi Ollie,

Lessee how this goes: while you cannot prove that God does not exist to my satisfaction, I also cannot prove that He does exist to your satisfaction. Seems we have an impass.

But then, IMO the premise God put forth in the Judeo/Christian group is faith. Funny word. Perhaps we will get around to debating it someday.

Well, you're right, because we as humans have arrived to a point where we can prove most of the things in life that had previously only been explained by mythology. Lightning and thunder and thor come to mind. Science has come a long way and we can readily explain many of the earths wonders and beyond. The last one we cannot explain is our existance. I am confident that one day humans will be able to expalin this as well. maybe not in my lifetime, but eventually. I guess you can say that I have "faith" of that.

In the mean time, we should be free to believe in whatever we want, or in my case, to believe in nothing...

[chillbilly]

Hi Ollie,

Lessee how this goes: while you cannot prove that God does not exist to my satisfaction, I also cannot prove that He does exist to your satisfaction. Seems we have an impass.

But then, IMO the premise God put forth in the Judeo/Christian group is faith. Funny word. Perhaps we will get around to debating it someday.

I sincerely doubt it.

Science is the first entity to deny that it exists to prove anything.

There is no absolute proof...only opinion, rhetoric and yes......faith.

I have seen enough to be convinced that there is everlasting life.
That's my faith. It cannot be proven any more than it can be disproven.

[ga-hvac-tech]

Well, you're right!

Can I quote you on that statement??? :D

[acmanko]

For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in amoung you. They are Godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Jude 1:4so which is it , first I say there is no God and then I say I talked to Go.neither makes you happy , is it only people who you think worthy that are able to speak with God. careful not to pass judgement.

[daytonafan]

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Chuck Colson, former Nixon thug, who wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the ass lecturing others about truth?





Priceless!!!!!!!!


Didn't you vote for Nixon in '72?

I made the best frickin' guacamole over the weekend Geer. Grilled a pile of fresh veggies and some big ass steaks, went and got some oversized tortilla shells, through on some hot sauce.....damn!!!!! Washed it down with Daytona's homemade forget your name margaritas......Mmmmmmm

[braces4impact]

Since it's you denying Gods existance, you have the responsibility to prove He doesn't exist. I'm waiting with baited breath

As stated in original post,
The new breed reflects the death of truth. They’re like the Communists who feared religion more than anything else because it was a competing truth claim... When you think about it this way, you have to wonder if the anti-theists, in their heart of hearts, are a little uncomfortable with their own beliefs.

the reason communist hate religion is b/c they share the same moral premises. That is , you do not own yourself and you are to serve a higher purpose for a higher good than yourself. So religion is competing with them on the same philosophical level.

[sline-dawg]

Didn't you vote for Nixon in '72?

I made the best frickin' guacamole over the weekend Geer. Grilled a pile of fresh veggies and some big ass steaks, went and got some oversized tortilla shells, through on some hot sauce.....damn!!!!! Washed it down with Daytona's homemade forget your name margaritas......Mmmmmmm




But you didn't call.......Hmmmmmm..did it really happen...:eek:

[geerair]

Didn't you vote for Nixon in '72?Yes.

Let's try to keep that as quiet as possible. I was young. :D :D




I made the best frickin' guacamole over the weekend Geer. Grilled a pile of fresh veggies and some big ass steaks, went and got some oversized tortilla shells, through on some hot sauce.....damn!!!!! Washed it down with Daytona's homemade forget your name margaritas......MmmmmmmYummmm............

I have come to the conclusion that avacados go with everything. ;)

[lhatton]

so which is it , first I say there is no God and then I say I talked to Go.neither makes you happy , is it only people who you think worthy that are able to speak with God. careful not to pass judgement.
Not passing any judgement, I just quoted a scripture that I like. You maybe mistook it for something it wasn't

[acmanko]

Not passing any judgement, I just quoted a scripture that I like. You maybe mistook it for something it wasn't
yes, I suppose I did, You ever consider the fact that you might mistake something for what it's not.:o

[lhatton]

the reason communist hate religion is b/c they share the same moral premises. That is , you do not own yourself and you are to serve a higher purpose for a higher good than yourself. So religion is competing with them on the same philosophical level.

Well read brace, that was Chuck's point exactly. Im glad to see you agree.


As stated in original post,
The new breed reflects the death of truth. They’re like the Communists who feared religion more than anything else because it was a competing truth claim... When you think about it this way, you have to wonder if the anti-theists, in their heart of hearts, are a little uncomfortable with their own beliefs.

[acmanko]

no, we are not, we walk throught the valley of death without a crutch

[chillbilly]

no, we are not, we walk throught the valley of death without a crutch


"We all need someone we can lean on,
And if you wanna', you can lean on me".
MJ


I am proud to lean on Jesus Christ in my time of need as well as in my times of happiness.

[ga-hvac-tech]

"We all need someone we can lean on,
And if you wanna', you can lean on me".
MJ


I am proud to lean on Jesus Christ in my time of need as well as in my times of happiness.

I second that comment! Life has taught me that there is wisdom in learning that I do not have all the answers all the time, and to lean on Christ is sometimes a good thing. Maybe more often than sometimes.

MeThinks it is the male macho that does not like this idea.

[lhatton]

yes, I suppose I did, You ever consider the fact that you might mistake something for what it's not.:o
I do it probably everyday. Sometimes people can really let you down

[oloenneker]

I am proud to lean on Jesus Christ in my time of need as well as in my times of happiness.


I lean on Henry Weinhard in my time of need....:p :p :p

[chillbilly]

I lean on Henry Heinhard in my time of need....:p :p :p
LOL Ya' frrreaak. :D

[oloenneker]

LOL Ya' frrreaak. :D

Y B Normal?

[scrogdog]

MeThinks it is the male macho that does not like this idea.

Cool! A new meaningless mantra for my collection!

You guys are building quite a list. Oh wait, that's right... Christian's don't judge people, that's God's work. Sorry, I forgot... carry on. :rolleyes:

[acmanko]

me thinks males do manly things, old men women and children, especially women show uo in their Sunday go to church finery, some even wear crocks.