Why do YOU frequent the ARP forum?

[mrs reb77]

I come to this part of the site to have discussions--hopefully intelligent ones and to sometimes be amused (not read abused). To even learn some things. Why do you come here? Is it just to pick on others? Is it just to gripe, rant, rave, look like a fruit? Come on, don't be shy.

How about you Tonys? Why don't you start since you've been dissing all ARP all morning in the committee thread? Why do you come here?

[tonys]

Are you that old broad from The View?

Barbara Walters - is it...you?

[mrs reb77]

fool

[tonys]

I've read 'some' of your posts - You're not that far from #$#$%@@# (not going to name-call, like YOU).

(here's a tip, when you see a debate coming-up with Geer...do yourself a favor, and Pull The Rip Cord earlier).

[mrs reb77]

So, Tonys has proven (but not written) why he comes to ARP. What about everyone else?

[bootlen]

I'm here to irritate tony. It's real easy. Watch this.

[tonys]

Another predictable Gomer Pyle post.

not very verbose, void of any gravitas.

[bootlen]

See how easy it is?

Join in if you like, Mrs. Reb.

[scrogdog]

Many reasons; among them, to recieve an influx of new ideas for my consideration. To exchange reasonable ideas with (mostly) reasonable people.

And... of course, to observe the human condition at work. ;)

ARP environment makes this a bit difficult when nine-tenths of all responses are some form of "that's the silliest darn thing that I ever heard!" or the messenger is attacked instead of the message.

First step would be the elimination of ad hominems.

[ga-hvac-tech]

Why do I come to ARP?

Well honestly, I am addicted to it... :D And be honest folks, how many of you could literally put it down and NEVER come back? Fess up now... :cool:

I enjoy discussion on the 'forbidden topics' like A-R-P... Seems to me the large majority of folks I speak with are sooo afraid of a controversy they never discuss (and as a result really do not even know much about) these topics.

I enjoy a rowdy (yet mature) discussion, guess that proves I grew up in Texas... :eek:

And BTW: I agree about the name calling and character assassinations. I think we need to separate the person from the viewpoint. But at the same time, if someone chooses to align themselves with a person or thought pattern or philosophy or group, that decision does reflect to a degree on their thought process, and kinda paints a target on them... :eek:

I think we need to remember something here: Personhood and beliefs/behavior are not the same thing. A quality person can be mis-guided in their beliefs. And while behavior usually grows from beliefs, we should not a$$ume that until proven beyond reasonable doubt.

And this proves something I will readily admit to (Any of the rest of you this honest?) ARP is a free soap box to stand on... :D

[coordinatesales]

I enjoy the debates (not the tirades) and enjoy learning from them. I enjoy the sharp wit demonstrated by some people here. It's also nice to have a place to discuss politics without getting into trouble. I can't discuss them at church (I'm a sunday school teacher and it wouldn't be appropriate), My family doesn't generally want to discuss politics(and we usually agree so not much debate there) and if you talk about it at work and the person doesn't agree, it can cause problems down the line.

[Ed Janowiak]

I read the ARP on occasion for the train wrecks, everyone needs to LOL once in a while :).

[smokin68]

I like to express a working man's view to all of you political science majors.

[k-fridge]

I'm a political junkie and I love to debate. I really prefer an intelligent and semi-polite debate over the "you suck...well, you suck worse" exchanges we get from some of the folks around here (not naming any names or anything...).

[Pagan]

I too am a Political Junkie. Living in CA, I hear and feel the affects
of Liberalism on a daily basis, however I like to debate and that is something thats next to impossible out here with people because it's either
Taboo, controversial and the speech police will come out or they
flat out dont know ANYTHING about it nor do they care.

I come hear for the points of views expressed on both side's.
and flat out i'm addicted!:D

[chillbilly]

I love reading what real people have to say about politics, religion and current events.
It's much better than watching the daily news and usually more informative too.
Comic relief and colorful commentary are a plus.
There is a reason why this forum is one of the site's most popular.

Go look at some of the misinformation generated daily in the resi forum and you'll quickly end up here.

[ga-hvac-tech]

I love reading what real people have to say about politics, religion and current events.
It's much better than watching the daily news and usually more informative too.
Comic relief and colorful commentary are a plus.
There is a reason why this forum is one of the site's most popular.

Go look at some of the misinformation generated daily in the resi forum and you'll quickly end up here.

I agree with your whole post Chilly.

The part about life and people I never have figured out is why most of them are afraid to speak their minds? Anyone have an answer to that?

And the part in bold above: wonder why TPTB are trying to keep ARP functioning?

[mrs reb77]

See how easy it is?

Join in if you like, Mrs. Reb.

I think he may be Tink and Geer's love child but I'm still uncertain. He certainly can't answer a straight question and that's for sure.

I come here for the same reasons many of you do--can't really discuss some of these things with anyone else! Either you'll get into a family feud (in-laws) or you get Rush quoted at you (my dad!) and you still just end up with the media biases it seems. Mr reb77 is pretty much on the same political plane as I and we agree on nearly everything so that's no insights. If people with differing views would/could present them in logical, rational fashion they would be listened to much more. If some liberal posters would refrain from the chimp/pug type name calling all the time I'd be much more interested in what they have to say (I'd probably at least read it!)

Oh, and then there is the train-wreck factor.... :)

[chillbilly]

And the part in bold above: wonder why TPTB are trying to keep ARP functioning?

My take on an admin view of ARP is that many would rather see it go by the wayside.
They probably keep it active because many people here like it and if you look at the numbers, it's a cornerstone of popularity on this site.

[ga-hvac-tech]

My take on an admin view of ARP is that many would rather see it go by the wayside.
They probably keep it active because many people here like it and if you look at the numbers, it's a cornerstone of popularity on this site.

My point exactly Chilly. And while I know this is a sore spot: hit counts... :D

As much trouble as ARP is supposed to be to take care of, it seems to me there must be a reason it is kept around.

[BigJon3475]

I gave up on it.


It's like trying to tech an old dog new tricks.......it's not going to happen. It just ends up being a bickering match back and forth.

[k-fridge]

I think he may be Tink and Geer's love child

:D:D:D Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are! :D:D:D

[chillbilly]

I gave up on it.
It's like trying to tech an old dog new tricks.......it's not going to happen.Well, maybe if you give up on teaching and just state your position you won't become as frustrated.


It just ends up being a bickering match back and forth.
Yeah, sometimes it does. Can you honestly say that you have never learned from anyone else's view here in ARP?

[hvactech13]

I like coming here to ARP to discuss ideas with a group of people who fill the spectrum in ideals and ideas. Discussing the inadequacies of our politicians, the intricacies of religion, and the current problems occuring in the country is both entertaining and educational to me.

I've been all kinds of busy lately (fires, ambulance runs, and the regular jobs) and I am finally able to stop in here, and I have missed a lot it seems.:eek:

[coolwhip]

I come here to silently laugh at the ignorant masses and to cherish the great minds of the few.

[sline-dawg]

To see what the enemy is up to.....:rolleyes:






Actually , it's better than TV.....:p

[RoBoTeq]

I come here for therapy. After a few threads each night I can sleep great knowing there are way more screwed up people then me. Besides, the voices kinda make me do it.

[oloenneker]

I come here for therapy. After a few threads each night I can sleep great knowing there are way more screwed up people then me. Besides, the voices kinda make me do it.


LOL!!

[oloenneker]

My take on an admin view of ARP is that many would rather see it go by the wayside.
They probably keep it active because many people here like it and if you look at the numbers, it's a cornerstone of popularity on this site.

That certainly is one aspect of why this section is still around, but I also believe that it's still here because, they (the operators of this site) are well aware that it will just migrate to GD, which is the reason the ARP section was formed in the first place... To keep it out of GD.

Nearly ever other discussion site out there, wether it is about cars, or skis or what have you, has a section like ARP. It's just that some people NEED to discuss the politics of the day, myself included. I think that it would be a huge mistake to remove the ARP section for the migration issues I stated earlier...

[glennac]

I come here to unload a little on what's happening to our country and Western Civilization which isn't good nowadays. Also to engage the ones who are determined to change us into the socialist communist state of government controlled robots. I also enjoy a little humor which I try to give out whenever I can. Life is too short not to joke about it whenever possible. I might add that no matter how much I disagree with someone I try to engage them in a civilized fashion when possible but that is not always the case of course with some adversaries.

[Collin]

I come here to try to understand the American way of thinking. From my perspective, 95% of you guys are either Republican or Democrat, and there ain't no way in fricken' Hell you are going to change! Not saying there is anything wrong with that, but I honestly couldn't tell you the political affiliation of most of my friends.

Sorry to go off topic, but why are you so scared of communism Glenn? You guys have to be the greatest capitalistic nation in the world, and every intelligent person knows communism doesn't work, so why the fear?

[glennac]

I come here to try to understand the American way of thinking. From my perspective, 95% of you guys are either Republican or Democrat, and there ain't no way in fricken' Hell you are going to change! Not saying there is anything wrong with that, but I honestly couldn't tell you the political affiliation of most of my friends.

Sorry to go off topic, but why are you so scared of communism Glenn? You guys have to be the greatest capitalistic nation in the world, and every intelligent person knows communism doesn't work, so why the fear?

Hell Collin, every year more and more laws are passed to increase the total control of the government over the people. The Federal, State and Local governments are all doing this. Once a law or regulation is passed it never gets rescinded. This is what is known as creeping socialism and strangulation of our economy. There is a lot more economic freedom in Hong Kong, Singapore and New Zealand than in the US. The liberal Democrats know this and they are working day and night to keep pushing us down the slippery slope of a totally controlled socialist state. Just look around. In Canada you already have lost freedom of speech and you no longer have the right to bear arms. You guys are ahead of us in total control. Beware.

[Collin]

I don't see where we have lost freedom of speech, the only thing I know of is a law against hate crimes. I don't have a problem with that.
The former Government of Canada did enact a gun registration law, I will agree it has been a huge nightmare.

[RoBoTeq]

I come here to try to understand the American way of thinking. From my perspective, 95% of you guys are either Republican or Democrat, and there ain't no way in fricken' Hell you are going to change! Not saying there is anything wrong with that, but I honestly couldn't tell you the political affiliation of most of my friends.

Sorry to go off topic, but why are you so scared of communism Glenn? You guys have to be the greatest capitalistic nation in the world, and every intelligent person knows communism doesn't work, so why the fear?

Next you'll be trying to understand woman.

Communism is very good for fascist types who figure out ways of using government money extracted from a countries citizens to control those citizens and force them to pay more and more taxes to keep the cycle going until it collapses in on itself.

[oloenneker]

Next you'll be trying to understand woman.

Communism is very good for fascist types who figure out ways of using government money extracted from a countries citizens to control those citizens and force them to pay more and more taxes to keep the cycle going until it collapses in on itself.

Uhhhm... Robo, you DO understand that Fascism is the EXACT opposite ideals of Communism, right?

Look back at some of the most famous Fascists-The Nazi party of Germany, they jailed Communists, Socialists and other opposing political parties.

Fascism is all about corporate control of government, where as Communism is the people controlling the Government.

[ozone drone]

It is better than TV where you are just a passive observer and you don't have to think ... just turn off the brain and be entertained.

Here you can respond with your 2 cents worth of opinion and even if it isn't responded to .. at least you got to post it.


I see tinknocker 44 isn't posting..... another victory for the conservatives.
America is saved.

[bootlen]

I come here to silently laugh at the ignorant masses and to cherish the great minds of the few.

WOW! My mind is cherished!:rolleyes:

[acmanko]

I ended up in ARP after being banned from the General Discussion forum by Don years ago. I am amazed at how defensive people are about their right to worship God and the way they worship, By how fractionalized Christianity has become. Most of the time I just like to throw in a remark much like the color commentator on football games does, to break the monotony of the mega posts. Most of all I come for the friendship, while I am aware I generated hate towards me I consider all the posters in ARP as Family, extended or once or twice removed but still family

[bootlen]

I ended up in ARP after being banned from the General Discussion forum by Don years ago. I am amazed at how defensive people are about their right to worship God and the way they worship, By how fractionalized Christianity has become. Most of the time I just like to throw in a remark much like the color commentator on football games does, to break the monotony of the mega posts. Most of all I come for the friendship, while I am aware I generated hate towards me I consider all the posters in ARP as Family, extended or once or twice removed but still family

Agreed! A family, indeed. And like any family, we have those who are a royal pain but still fun...you know the type...they pruposely walk in on you sitting on the toilet and say, "Oh, excuse me! I didn't know you were in here!" after having stood in the bathroom line right behind you. You have the ones you just know will end up behind bars in the not too distant future. And then you have the ones that are certifiably insane but somehow have managed to be in positions of authority. (Hey, Twilli! How's it goin'? :D :D )

[ga-hvac-tech]

Uhhhm... Robo, you DO understand that Fascism is the EXACT opposite ideals of Communism, right?

Look back at some of the most famous Fascists-The Nazi party of Germany, they jailed Communists, Socialists and other opposing political parties.

Fascism is all about corporate control of government, where as Communism is the people controlling the Government.

Question there Olie; If Fascism is corporate control of government, and Communism is people control of government, then why were Nazi Germany and Communist China places where the people feared for their lives and hid from the government?

[glennac]

I don't see where we have lost freedom of speech, the only thing I know of is a law against hate crimes. I don't have a problem with that.
The former Government of Canada did enact a gun registration law, I will agree it has been a huge nightmare.

There have been countless articles published on the loss of free speech in Canada. People have been jailed, fine and deported over these issues. It all stems from the courts interpretation of their "hate crime" legislation. Just Google Canada free speech. Here are three of the countless links on the subject.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/bernstein200312020910. (http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/bernstein200312020910.)

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_hat6.htm

http://www.rense.com/general67/FRED.HTM (http://www.rense.com/general67/FRED.HTM)
Indeed, it has apparently become illegal in Canada to advocate traditional Christian opposition to homosexual sex. For example, the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission ordered the Saskatoon Star Phoenix and Hugh Owens to each pay $1,500 to each of three gay activists as damages for publication of an advertisement, placed by Owens, which conveyed the message that the Bible condemns homosexual acts.
In another incident, after Toronto print-shop owner Scott Brockie refused on religious grounds to print letterhead for a gay-activist group, the local human-rights commission ordered him to pay the group $5,000, print the requested material, and apologize to the group's leaders. Brockie, who always accepted print jobs from individual gay customers, and even did pro-bono work for a local AIDS group, is fighting the decision on religious-freedom grounds,.
"In Canada," said Ron Cohen, chairman of the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council, "we respect free speech but we don't worship it. It is one thing we value, but not the only thing."
Cohen said that Canada seems to have survived reasonably well without Don Imus or Rush Limbaugh on any of its radio stations. (Howard Stern is heard only in Montreal --and then only censored on tape delay.) Last month, the Global Television network pulled the "Jerry Springer" show from its lineup after the standards council found that it had violated the restrictions on sex and violence.
Canada's most powerful tool against politically incorrect speech is its hate speech code, which prohibits any statement that is "likely to expose a person or group of persons to hatred or contempt" because of "race, color, ancestry, place of origin, religion, marital status, family status, physical or mental disability, sex, sexual orientation or age." Prosecutors are not required to show proof of malicious intent or actual harm to win convictions in hate speech cases, and courts in some jurisdictions have ruled that it does not matter whether the statements are truthful.

There is a lot more this is just the tip of the Canadian iceburg.

[markettech]

I see tinknocker 44 isn't posting..... another victory for the conservatives.
America is saved.

You don't suppose Tink and James are taking a "Love Boat" cruise together......do you??:D

[BigJon3475]

Well, maybe if you give up on teaching and just state your position you won't become as frustrated.


Yeah, sometimes it does. Can you honestly say that you have never learned from anyone else's view here in ARP?


LOL umm......it always end up in a arguement stating positions you disagree with. What I have learned in ARP was how to back up my arguments. I still never changed anyones mind. And arguing with a brick wall I found out a long time ago was a waste. No ones trying to tech do you think Geeair or Tinkerbell want to see anyone else opinion? They just want to be able to blame the worlds problems on Bush.

[ozone drone]

You don't suppose Tink and James are taking a "Love Boat" cruise together......do you??:D


LOL ...it is suspicious...maybe they did sneak off together...

[coolwhip]

My fav's on the forum are Glenn, James, Boots, ChillyBilly, Mrs. Rebb, and Robo ( because he's such a pain in the arss). There are a few others as well. These folks may have more or less christian views than I, but in all I like how they think and know that they are well read and not just from the internet.

I also respect those that have served our country. Our freedoms are a reflection of their sacrifices.

The rest of you can bite me!...lol

[glennac]

You don't suppose Tink and James are taking a "Love Boat" cruise together......do you??:D

I don't know about James but I covered Tink and geer in an earlier post (geer has since came back:eek: ). "They must be vacationing in Cuba nursing their wounds, getting revegerated and smoking marry Jane. I’m sure hope they cool it a while longer because we are also enjoying the vacation."

[glennac]

My fav's on the forum are Glenn, James, Boots, ChillyBilly, Mrs. Rebb, and Robo ( because he's such a pain in the arss). There are a few others as well. These folks may have more or less christian views than I, but in all I like how they think and know that they are well read and not just from the internet.
I also respect those that have served our country. Our freedoms are a reflection of their sacrifices.
The rest of you can bite me!...lol

Coolwhip, you need to change your vote on Robo not that he isn't a great choice but since he is already on the membership committee he is not eligable to run and has already stated that he is not running and if elected he will not serve. Hey thanks for the vote however I am not in the top group of vote getters but thanks anyway.

[RoBoTeq]

Uhhhm... Robo, you DO understand that Fascism is the EXACT opposite ideals of Communism, right?

Look back at some of the most famous Fascists-The Nazi party of Germany, they jailed Communists, Socialists and other opposing political parties.

Fascism is all about corporate control of government, where as Communism is the people controlling the Government.

Only in theory which is why neither can flourish in any kind of society where Capitalism is allowed to exist above ground.

Every Communist country has had Fascist leadership. The Communist idealism is just a prop for fascists to rule by claiming that all of the people will be equal. In Communism all people may be equal, but some are more equal then others. Those would be the Fascists that are using Communism as their catalyst for power.

[coolwhip]

I dont know nuttin bout this voting thing you speak of Glenn. I hate politics...:D

[RoBoTeq]

There have been countless articles published on the loss of free speech in Canada. People have been jailed, fine and deported over these issues. It all stems from the courts interpretation of their "hate crime" legislation. Just Google Canada free speech. Here are three of the countless links on the subject.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/bernstein200312020910. (http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/bernstein200312020910.)

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_hat6.htmasp

http://www.rense.com/general67/FRED.HTM (http://www.rense.com/general67/FRED.HTM)
Indeed, it has apparently become illegal in Canada to advocate traditional Christian opposition to homosexual sex. For example, the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission ordered the Saskatoon Star Phoenix and Hugh Owens to each pay $1,500 to each of three gay activists as damages for publication of an advertisement, placed by Owens, which conveyed the message that the Bible condemns homosexual acts.
In another incident, after Toronto print-shop owner Scott Brockie refused on religious grounds to print letterhead for a gay-activist group, the local human-rights commission ordered him to pay the group $5,000, print the requested material, and apologize to the group's leaders. Brockie, who always accepted print jobs from individual gay customers, and even did pro-bono work for a local AIDS group, is fighting the decision on religious-freedom grounds,.
"In Canada," said Ron Cohen, chairman of the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council, "we respect free speech but we don't worship it. It is one thing we value, but not the only thing."
Cohen said that Canada seems to have survived reasonably well without Don Imus or Rush Limbaugh on any of its radio stations. (Howard Stern is heard only in Montreal --and then only censored on tape delay.) Last month, the Global Television network pulled the "Jerry Springer" show from its lineup after the standards council found that it had violated the restrictions on sex and violence.
Canada's most powerful tool against politically incorrect speech is its hate speech code, which prohibits any statement that is "likely to expose a person or group of persons to hatred or contempt" because of "race, color, ancestry, place of origin, religion, marital status, family status, physical or mental disability, sex, sexual orientation or age." Prosecutors are not required to show proof of malicious intent or actual harm to win convictions in hate speech cases, and courts in some jurisdictions have ruled that it does not matter whether the statements are truthful.

There is a lot more this is just the tip of the Canadian iceburg.

I'm not sure I'd want to start this battle. The U.S. has implemented many standards that seem to inhibit Americans freedoms as well. The fact is that freedom needs to be adjusted so that the freedoms of one group cease when those freedoms harm the freedoms of another group. Otherwise, White Supremists, Black antagonists, Hispanic gangs and Asian syndicates would all have the freedom to persecute one another. In theory, anti-racial laws suppress freedom.

[RoBoTeq]

You don't suppose Tink and James are taking a "Love Boat" cruise together......do you??:D

Shhhh, this is a "don't ask, don't tell" situation.

[RoBoTeq]

I don't know about James but I covered Tink and geer in an earlier post (geer has since came back:eek: ). "They must be vacationing in Cuba nursing their wounds, getting revegerated and smoking marry Jane. I’m sure hope they cool it a while longer because we are also enjoying the vacation."

Smoking maryjane in Cuba is not a smart thing to do. Illegal activities there are not tolerated the way they are in the U.S. I felt a lot safer walking the dimly lit streets of Havana in run down neighborhoods then I ever would in the same kind of neighborhood in the U.S. Its a shame that the good part of Cuba's peoples will change for the worse when Cuba is opened up again.

[Carnak]

There have been countless articles published on the loss of free speech in Canada. People have been jailed, fine and deported over these issues. It all stems from the courts interpretation of their "hate crime" legislation. Just Google Canada free speech. Here are three of the countless links on the subject.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/bernstein200312020910. (http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/bernstein200312020910.)

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_hat6.htmasp

http://www.rense.com/general67/FRED.HTM (http://www.rense.com/general67/FRED.HTM)
Indeed, it has apparently become illegal in Canada to advocate traditional Christian opposition to homosexual sex. For example, the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission ordered the Saskatoon Star Phoenix and Hugh Owens to each pay $1,500 to each of three gay activists as damages for publication of an advertisement, placed by Owens, which conveyed the message that the Bible condemns homosexual acts.
In another incident, after Toronto print-shop owner Scott Brockie refused on religious grounds to print letterhead for a gay-activist group, the local human-rights commission ordered him to pay the group $5,000, print the requested material, and apologize to the group's leaders. Brockie, who always accepted print jobs from individual gay customers, and even did pro-bono work for a local AIDS group, is fighting the decision on religious-freedom grounds,.
"In Canada," said Ron Cohen, chairman of the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council, "we respect free speech but we don't worship it. It is one thing we value, but not the only thing."
Cohen said that Canada seems to have survived reasonably well without Don Imus or Rush Limbaugh on any of its radio stations. (Howard Stern is heard only in Montreal --and then only censored on tape delay.) Last month, the Global Television network pulled the "Jerry Springer" show from its lineup after the standards council found that it had violated the restrictions on sex and violence.
Canada's most powerful tool against politically incorrect speech is its hate speech code, which prohibits any statement that is "likely to expose a person or group of persons to hatred or contempt" because of "race, color, ancestry, place of origin, religion, marital status, family status, physical or mental disability, sex, sexual orientation or age." Prosecutors are not required to show proof of malicious intent or actual harm to win convictions in hate speech cases, and courts in some jurisdictions have ruled that it does not matter whether the statements are truthful.

There is a lot more this is just the tip of the Canadian iceburg.

Every time you go here glenn, your links end up about people who advocate the halocaust never happened.

[RoBoTeq]

Coolwhip, you need to change your vote on Robo not that he isn't a great choice but since he is already on the membership committee he is not eligable to run and has already stated that he is not running and if elected he will not serve. Hey thanks for the vote however I am not in the top group of vote getters but thanks anyway.

I'm keeping track of all of you who are trying to erase my name from the ARP historicl archives. I think there is an underlying fear that the masses will rise up and make me King of ARP and so the need to suppress my very name is felt needed. If all the voices are silenced, the rocks and stones themselves will scream my name:cool:

[RoBoTeq]

Every time you go here glenn, your links end up about people who advocate the halocaust never happened.

There was an "halo-caust"? Did this involve angels?:D

[acmanko]

I'm keeping track of all of you who are trying to erase my name from the ARP historicl archives. I think there is an underlying fear that the masses will rise up and make me King of ARP and so the need to suppress my very name is felt needed. If all the voices are silenced, the rocks and stones themselves will scream my name:cool:
King sh!t bucket head

[oloenneker]

Question there Olie; If Fascism is corporate control of government, and Communism is people control of government, then why were Nazi Germany and Communist China places where the people feared for their lives and hid from the government?

Oppression can be found in nearly all forms of government, even in a plutocracy like ours here in the USA. Some are much worse or better at it than others.

[oloenneker]

I'm keeping track of all of you who are trying to erase my name from the ARP historicl archives. I think there is an underlying fear that the masses will rise up and make me King of ARP and so the need to suppress my very name is felt needed. If all the voices are silenced, the rocks and stones themselves will scream my name:cool:

Wow!! Look at who has a self superiority complex:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[whec720]

To get back on track. I like ARP because it is a good platform to share your point of view with others. Minds are like finger prints; no two are alike but generally (VERY GENERALLY) the same. Doesn't matter if you are conservative or liberal, black or white, Christian or Jew, ect. YOU HAVE AN OPINION. I say, this is ARP; lets hear it!
Now as for name calling, I'll plead guilty to that. I've called geer a commie, atleast 100 times (only because I truly believe him to be). Ole, a UN flag waiving socialist. Carnak....well I don't recall ever calling him any names.....but I wanted to.;) Then there is tink..........too many names to remember.:D
The truth is, although I disagree with them on many things, I like sparring with them and do respect their opinions. Well....all accept tink. I mean really, the guy is an ingrate.......whoops another name added to the list.:eek:
Its ARP folks so have fun. IMO, even getting a little pi$$ed off can be fun.....to a degree.
Cheers every one!:)

[glennac]

I'm keeping track of all of you who are trying to erase my name from the ARP historicl archives. I think there is an underlying fear that the masses will rise up and make me King of ARP and so the need to suppress my very name is felt needed. If all the voices are silenced, the rocks and stones themselves will scream my name:cool:

Robo, I'm at a loss as to why you qouted me with your post. I simply told coolwhip what you and countless others on this form said. Is anything I said not correct? If so let us know. I was merely trying to tell coolwhip that you are not in the run for the position. Let us know what's going on. Geeze ##:confused:

[glennac]

Every time you go here glenn, your links end up about people who advocate the halocaust never happened.

Carnak, where are you coming from? The National Review is a respected conservative magazine and has a good balanced conservative web site. The second link was a conservative Christian web site and the 3rd link I am not sure of but they did talk about an individual who was arrested and deported for denying the halocaust. That does qualify as a denial of freedom of speech. The examples I did quote were of folks getting arrested and fined because they talked about how sinful the gays are and quoted the Bible. This is PC gone amok. Cut me some slack.

[acmanko]

not only should they be arrested and fined but also hung by the feet till fresh blood cleanses their thinking. How can any Christian conservative pass judgement on others?

[glennac]

not only should they be arrested and fined but also hung by the feet till fresh blood cleanses their thinking. How can any Christian conservative pass judgement on others?

Manko, you profess to be a Catholic and your church preaches that sodomy is a sin and you are condemning Christian conservatives for standing up for the same Christian beliefs that your church teaches. You are an enigma. Are you a Catholic if so why are you knocking other Christians who say the same thing your church says? Please explain.

[ga-hvac-tech]

One of the reasons I enjoy ARP:

Go read this thread:

http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=145411&page=16

All you need to see is Post # 197 through 203.

And if you do not bust your gut laughing, well, never mind...

One of the reasons ARP is fun!

And BTW: I am laughing WITH the one that is the object, not AT them.

[oloenneker]

One of the reasons I enjoy ARP:

Go read this thread:

http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=145411&page=16

All you need to see is Post # 197 through 203.

And if you do not bust your gut laughing, well, never mind...

One of the reasons ARP is fun!

And BTW: I am laughing WITH the one that is the object, not AT them.

Too bad that this particular thread is in the "General discussion" section.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Not ARP!:)

[ga-hvac-tech]

Too bad that this particular thread is in the "General discussion" section.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Not ARP!:)

You got me!

Proves we are all human Ollie... Have you been human today... :)

[Carnak]

Carnak, where are you coming from? The National Review is a respected conservative magazine and has a good balanced conservative web site. The second link was a conservative Christian web site and the 3rd link I am not sure of but they did talk about an individual who was arrested and deported for denying the halocaust. That does qualify as a denial of freedom of speech. The examples I did quote were of folks getting arrested and fined because they talked about how sinful the gays are and quoted the Bible. This is PC gone amok. Cut me some slack.
I clicked on one of them and Zundel's name came up. Last time you were posting about the lack of free speech in Canada, it was a fringe source, and it lead to zundell and guys tried for teaching the halocaust never happened.

[glennac]

I clicked on one of them and Zundel's name came up. Last time you were posting about the lack of free speech in Canada, it was a fringe source, and it lead to zundell and guys tried for teaching the halocaust never happened.


I guess you didn't bother to read the other links. They had nothing to do with the halocaust or zundell. I picked three more links from the long list of the lack of freedom of speech in Canada. Look through those and the other two you ignored and you will see it involves freedom of speech in churches who condem gays and their lifestyle and other issues of free speech not related in any way to the halocaust. Let's be fair here and not cherry pick one issue and ignore the broad restrictions on free speech.

http://transform-drugs.blogspot.com/2007/06/us-free-speech-goes-up-in-smoke-at.html (http://transform-drugs.blogspot.com/2007/06/us-free-speech-goes-up-in-smoke-at.html)

http://www.issues-views.com/index.php/sect/24000/article/24000 (http://www.issues-views.com/index.php/sect/24000/article/24000)

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jul/07071803.html (http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jul/07071803.html)

[glennac]

Smoking maryjane in Cuba is not a smart thing to do. Illegal activities there are not tolerated the way they are in the U.S. I felt a lot safer walking the dimly lit streets of Havana in run down neighborhoods then I ever would in the same kind of neighborhood in the U.S. Its a shame that the good part of Cuba's peoples will change for the worse when Cuba is opened up again.

Hey Robo, haven't you heard? There is a travel restriction to Cuba. You have to get permission from the State Dept. to go there. How did you swing that one? Just curious.

[oloenneker]

Hey Robo, haven't you heard? There is a travel restriction to Cuba. You have to get permission from the State Dept. to go there. How did you swing that one? Just curious.

Not if you are traveling from somewhere other than the US. I had a Cuban customer recently, and he visits Cuba every few years. He says, you just book a flight out of Mexico. No problem.

[oloenneker]

Have you been human today... :)

No... I have been hanging out with my cats all evening... I think that if I had a tail, I could communicate better with them...

[markettech]

No... I have been hanging out with my cats all evening... I think that if I had a tail, I could communicate better with them...

Nope.....too easy - not gonna do it:rolleyes: :cool: :D

[ga-hvac-tech]

No... I have been hanging out with my cats all evening... I think that if I had a tail, I could communicate better with them...

You know Ollie, things never cease to surprise me. I did not figure you for one that liked cats; rather a dog person. Truth be known, I like cats also. But at the time, I do not have a pet. Am thinking about it for next year though. I just do not have the time to take care of one. And the last one I had showed the signs of not enough attention.

ZZZ time, I am in an earlier time zone than you. Have a GREAT one!

[RoBoTeq]

Wow!! Look at who has a self superiority complex:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Things would make more sense if you just studied the Bible a little bit;)

[oloenneker]

You know Ollie, things never cease to surprise me. I did not figure you for one that liked cats; rather a dog person. !

Actually, you know, you have met those people that absolutely hate cats with a passion? Well, I am sort of like that, except it's dogs. I know, people love their dogs and all that mushy stuff.. Fine, just keep that damn mutt away from me, or some "heavy" tool might land on it...

At one point in my life, when I was a bit more "angry" I used to have total sh!t fits about dogs off leash on my favorite hiking trails.. I even thought of ways to spear errant dogs with my trekking poles or my Ice axe.... It was bad...


I'm much better now.


BTW, I have a 23# male cat that beats up most dogs. He is as big as robo's Wu cat, without the long hair... That dude it tough!

[RoBoTeq]

Robo, I'm at a loss as to why you qouted me with your post. I simply told coolwhip what you and countless others on this form said. Is anything I said not correct? If so let us know. I was merely trying to tell coolwhip that you are not in the run for the position. Let us know what's going on. Geeze ##:confused:

You were just the catalyst for my nonsensical rant, nothing personal;)

Translation: I'm just screwing with ya!

[oloenneker]

Things would make more sense if you just studied the Bible a little bit;)

I have read enough to make my own informed choice about stuff like that... Three years of high school mandatory bible studies sometimes does that to someone.

But you're right, it's above my head, as usual.

[RoBoTeq]

Hey Robo, haven't you heard? There is a travel restriction to Cuba. You have to get permission from the State Dept. to go there. How did you swing that one? Just curious.

Didn't go there from the U.S. They love Americans in Cuba. They have entire billboards all around Havana depicting Americans. Well, the people are nice:)

[Collin]

I guess you didn't bother to read the other links. They had nothing to do with the halocaust or zundell. I picked three more links from the long list of the lack of freedom of speech in Canada. Look through those and the other two you ignored and you will see it involves freedom of speech in churches who condem gays and their lifestyle and other issues of free speech not related in any way to the halocaust. Let's be fair here and not cherry pick one issue and ignore the broad restrictions on free speech.

http://transform-drugs.blogspot.com/2007/06/us-free-speech-goes-up-in-smoke-at.html (http://transform-drugs.blogspot.com/2007/06/us-free-speech-goes-up-in-smoke-at.html)

http://www.issues-views.com/index.php/sect/24000/article/24000 (http://www.issues-views.com/index.php/sect/24000/article/24000)

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jul/07071803.html (http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jul/07071803.html)

Good links, I'm glad it was more than Zundel because he can go to hell for all I care. Honestly, the one that disturbs me the most is the kid researching the marijuana. Sounds like all he was doing was presenting facts, but the Principal of the school obviously had a different agenda.

The Preacher however, needs to keep his views on Homosexuality inside the doors of the Church. As soon as he is outside the doors, according to Canada's hate law he is in violation. You and I may beleive homosexuality is wrong, but we can't shout it out.
Fine line between free speech and Fred Phelps.

[acmanko]

Manko, you profess to be a Catholic and your church preaches that sodomy is a sin and you are condemning Christian conservatives for standing up for the same Christian beliefs that your church teaches. You are an enigma. Are you a Catholic if so why are you knocking other Christians who say the same thing your church says? Please explain.
Glen, I was refering to gays as the ones that should be hung by their feet. Being Catholic has nothing to do with what I write on this forum. Heaven only has so much room and 95% of it is reserved for Catholics

[glennac]

Glen, I was refering to gays as the ones that should be hung by their feet. Being Catholic has nothing to do with what I write on this forum. Heaven only has so much room and 95% of it is reserved for Catholics

You are a hard read manko. I never would have guessed that from your post, it sounded the other way. I'll cut you little slack. You need to get back on your meds.

[acmanko]

You are a hard read manko. I never would have guessed that from your post, it sounded the other way. I'll cut you little slack. You need to get back on your meds. Yea , superior intelligence is difficult for some. I actually have to dumb down while typing. as a matter of fact when responding to RoBo, I have to get so stupid I can't type. You on the other hand seem to be lost amonst superior intelligence.:D

[chillbilly]

Drugs tend to cloud one's ability to evaluate perspective, not to mention ability. :D

[whec720]

Good links, I'm glad it was more than Zundel because he can go to hell for all I care. Honestly, the one that disturbs me the most is the kid researching the marijuana. Sounds like all he was doing was presenting facts, but the Principal of the school obviously had a different agenda.

The Preacher however, needs to keep his views on Homosexuality inside the doors of the Church. As soon as he is outside the doors, according to Canada's hate law he is in violation. You and I may beleive homosexuality is wrong, but we can't shout it out.
Fine line between free speech and Fred Phelps.

Just wondering, collin, what if a Muslim cleric did the very same thing as that preacher. Would the Canadian government go after him for a hate crime? It seems to me, that would go against the current PC guidelines. Not trying to be a heal, just curious as to what you think.

[Collin]

I would hope they send the Muslim cleric to the slammer.

What happens in reality though, may be different.:(

[whec720]

Thats what I don't like about Hate Crime legislation. The terms and conditions are "cherry picked" to appease the PC crowd. Looks like you may have the same problem up in Canada.

[ga-hvac-tech]

Thats what I don't like about Hate Crime legislation. The terms and conditions are "cherry picked" to appease the PC crowd. Looks like you may have the same problem up in Canada.

Well said there Whec!

I personally do not think 'hate crime' is a bonafide statement; rather a reaction to governmental social engineering (as usual). Why does one hate another? For the other's behavior? Or for the other's choice of religion? Or for the other's choice of hair color?

This is the absurdity of the whole idea. Until someone does something to me, there is no reason to hate them. So what is the government doing to promote mutual respect within the masses? Or should we look at this the other way: What is the government doing to promote mutual dis-respect within the masses?

Surely dividing the masses by goofy racial and economic issues is not promoting respect... and is promoting one lifestyle over another? Oh, lets not forget special treatment for certain minorities at the EXPENSE of the others... And financially subsidising one group while denying the same perks to another?

No, as usual, the government caused the problem with their social engineering, and then pass criminal laws to force folks to accept their out right vote-buying schemes.

When, or when are we going to take our country back from these never ending idiots we call politicians?

[whec720]

The wealthy elite have mastered the two party system in America and utilized it to maximum effect. Look for more insane PC legislation from politicians with Ds and Rs after their names.
Canada is a few steps ahead of us in the tyranny debt. but we're (the US) not as far away as we would like to believe. Its disparaging, the hole we have dug is DEEP and escape is getting slimmer as time drones on. I'm sure Collin could agree with some I have stated.
Tyranny has no borders.

[Collin]

I am torn on some of this.
PC or not;

Wasn't it back in the mid to late 90's when Al Sharpton stirred the masses regarding Fredi's Fashion Mart and told them to "burn the building down"?

Then it WAS burned down. I have no problem with Sharpton being sent to jail for that.

[whec720]

I am torn on some of this.
PC or not;

Wasn't it back in the mid to late 90's when Al Sharpton stirred the masses regarding Fredi's Fashion Mart and told them to "burn the building down"?

Then it WAS burned down. I have no problem with Sharpton being sent to jail for that.

Well...you don't have the "freedom" to go yell in a movie theater, "Fire, fire, fire!" I think we're talking on two different playing fields here, Collin. Protesting a group or individual and inflicting a violent act, such as burning buildings down, are two entirely different things. I'm not sure as to why you are so "torn".

[Collin]

The reason I am "torn" is the slippery slope from Freedom of Expression to who decides what is considered a hate crime.

[ga-hvac-tech]

The reason I am "torn" is the slippery slope from Freedom of Expression to who decides what is considered a hate crime.

This is IMO the problem with the whole concept of a 'hate crime'. Who determines what a 'hate crime' is? And as politics goes, does it change with the parties and moods?

Say in the next election cycle in the USA (2008), that it is politically popular to require folks to work for a living (as in reduce government hand-out programs). Then lets say in 2012 that it is popular to promote hand out programs at tax-payer expense.

In 2008, it obviously would not be a hate crime to complain about govt hand-outs. But in 2012 it might be? So yes, who makes the call is a serious issue.

And to literally destroy someone's life for political reasons, well that is just not right. But we all know governments only care about what serves the politicians. So if it were me, I would be VERY careful giving that kind of power to a politician.

GA's personal opinion: There are too many laws already. Unless there is a real NEED for a law, better to not do it. And ALL new laws should have a sunset.

[glennac]

I do not care for hate crime laws. They only work in the PC world when the offending party is a White male doing harm to a minority be it a religious, racial, homosexual or other minority It never applies if the offending party is other than a White male. You should be charged for what ever harm you do to someone and not what other people think you were thinking when you did it.

Canada’s hate crime laws are far worse. It also covers speech, written or spoken. If you say something true or not about a group’s culture, intelligence, life style, religion, dress, etc in an unfavorable way you can be fined and imprisoned. According to Canada hate crime laws the Koran should be banned because it is full of hate for non Muslims and advocates killing non-believers. This will never happen because it is not PC to bann the Koran.