Dishonest "born-agains"

[chinook pass]

I just walked off the job on Friday, first I got blamed for being honest on a workorder and a customer would not pay on a bill becuse of a "F" up that was our companys fault( Ifixed the problem someone else caused it) ,I was told to lie next time....sorry I'm a athiest and I have morals.. I can't and will not lie or cheat people out of their money, then at a company meeting the "BORN-AGAIN" GM stood up and talked about GOD for 45 minutes of the 1 hour meeting... that is illegal in my state....then the "BORN-AGAIN" owner took $80 out of my paycheck for cutting my finger on the job, I went to the Hospital to see if a needed a stitch... was never seen by a doctor and their was no claim by L&I....strike 3

[bigjohn79]

Sounds like you did the right thing by getting out of there.

I have heard all the complaints about Union but you need someone to stick up for you about taking money out of your check? any way do you think you will get it back??

[ga-hvac-tech]

IMO there is a HUGE area between 'born agains' and true Christians.

The key word IMO is humility. And yes, many 'so called' Christians are not true Christians IMO.

Probably better to not judge the folks you have an issue with, but I have done the same thing you did.

Having said that, I am a Christian and practice Biblical values both in business and my personal life.

[k-fridge]

Stereotyping a bit aren't we? Seems to me you can find butt holes in any group if you look hard enough.

[Twilly]

Sounds like some kind of poll to me. HeyBob you know this guy?

[ckone180]

I just walked off the job on Friday, first I got blamed for being honest on a workorder and a customer would not pay on a bill becuse of a "F" up that was our companys fault( Ifixed the problem someone else caused it) ,I was told to lie next time....sorry I'm a athiest and I have morals.. I can't and will not lie or cheat people out of their money, then at a company meeting the "BORN-AGAIN" GM stood up and talked about GOD for 45 minutes of the 1 hour meeting... that is illegal in my state....then the "BORN-AGAIN" owner took $80 out of my paycheck for cutting my finger on the job, I went to the Hospital to see if a needed a stitch... was never seen by a doctor and their was no claim by L&I....strike 3

Trying to seperate fantasy and reality must be a hard task for you to bear. I apologize for the unfortune you have had to suffer. Damn, if you don't like their ethics, let me help you find the door.

It isn't your company, is it?:rolleyes:

[bigjohn79]

Dexter are you chin's X-employer???

You sound a little biter.

[ckone180]

Dexter are you chin's X-employer???

You sound a little biter.

I wouldn't bite anyone.:D

[hvacbear]

I just walked off the job on Friday, first I got blamed for being honest on a workorder and a customer would not pay on a bill becuse of a "F" up that was our companys fault( Ifixed the problem someone else caused it) ,I was told to lie next time....sorry I'm a athiest and I have morals.. I can't and will not lie or cheat people out of their money, then at a company meeting the "BORN-AGAIN" GM stood up and talked about GOD for 45 minutes of the 1 hour meeting... that is illegal in my state....then the "BORN-AGAIN" owner took $80 out of my paycheck for cutting my finger on the job, I went to the Hospital to see if a needed a stitch... was never seen by a doctor and their was no claim by L&I....strike 3

Christians are just people too. Too bad that you had to experiance this all too common experiance.

[bigjohn79]

:D Twilli is my spell checker:D

[Twilly]

:D Twilli is my spell checker:D



Pole?;)

[rogerk]

If someone from your company went out and screwed something up, and then you went and fixed it, then the customer should have paid you your fee. Now if they paid you the first time for the screw up, and now you want them to pay a 2nd time for fixing the screw up then Im wilh the customer on this one. I would not pay either. :mad: As for the preaching, if you were on the clock then I would take full advantage of the session. Ask alot of questions. Drag it out as along as you can. If you were not on the clock, RUUUUN. :eek:

[rogerk]

Pole?;) RogerK not know Twilli like poles :confused: RogerK thought Twilli like women. :(
RogerK use to look up to Twilli, now he not know what to think. :p

[chillbilly]

Sounds like the OP just has an axe to grind with religion.
I'm sure he's never told a lie at all with all of his atheist morals. :rolleyes:
You might want to come down off your bitter soapbox and realize that you, your former employer, his employees and everyone else are not perfect.

[hillbilly tech]

People say you shouldnt judge,but everyone does to a certain degree.As far as people tellen me about religion and about all they do,thats fine,i always take a man or women for what they are and what they do,action speaks louder than words,talken is easy,livin it is what it is all about.Going to church on Sunday is a good thing no matter what kinda scum you are if thats what you are,take everybody for there works,thats all ya got.Do me dirty one time,shame on you,do me dirty a second time,shame on me.

[oloenneker]

then at a company meeting the "BORN-AGAIN" GM stood up and talked about GOD for 45 minutes of the 1 hour meeting... that is illegal in my state....


Uhhhh... Not that I care if people want to talk for 45 min. about god, but what does that subject have anything to do with the company, or it's operations?

I would have asked if the meeting was mandatory, and if not, I would have gone back out to calls/the job...

[hvac hero]

I need to start asking applicants if they are athiest or not. I wouldnt hire an athiest.

[Twilly]

Twilli not like poles.

[newoldtech]

I remember my first job. I questioned my then boss ethics. He told me "show me an honest mechanic and I'll show you an unemployed mechanic". At the time I thought he was exaggerating but sadly after alot of years in this business, I've met only a couple of honest people in this business.

[markettech]

HeyBob you know this guy?

Too funny!!!

I got half way through the second sentence and thought the same thing!

Chinook - you from MI??

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Twilli: How can you tell the guy's from Poland just by reading the thread cause I dint catch an accent or nuthin.:D

[rogerk]

Twilli not like poles.
RogerK has respect for Twilli again. RogerK get confused easily, sorry for the confusion.

[sotexkoolbreeze]

someone from your company went out and screwed something up, and then you went and fixed it, then the customer should have paid you your fee.


Are you serious? No company I ever worked for.:eek:

[chinook pass]

Sorry if I hurt anybodys feelings about your beliefs, But I have found if a person or a company wants you to lie and cheat for them... they will do the same to you, If you think for one minute its OK just becuse you worship a "alpha male in the sky" that you can lie, cheat and steal ...karma is going to bite you in the ass...bigtime. I have 6 job leads already, Iwill be working by next Friday for more money. If you teach your employees to be thieves they will steal gas, tools, parts, time, jobs and money from YOU. I sleep well at night, I don't need to be kink to get by....

[tinner73]

I need to start asking applicants if they are athiest or not. I wouldnt hire an athiest.


is that even legal??
this sort of comment speaks volumes about YOUR character.
sounds like the OP is right.






it's spelled......ATHEIST. :rolleyes:

[Twilly]

RogerK has respect for Twilli again. RogerK get confused easily, sorry for the confusion.


Twilli glad, not to be confused with gay (happy). :rolleyes:

[oogene]

man it's a shame you had to deal wit dat. as mentioned before; lots of people talk a lot differently than they walk. not only did you notice,but so did da BIG MAN !!! if someone preached to me and then turned around and wanted me to lie; I'd ask em if that's what JESUS would do and I'd ask em to their face and in a crowd- call em on it!!! wright is wright and wrong is wrong, period !!! then I'd ask what church they go to and mention it to their pastor !!!

[oloenneker]

I need to start asking applicants if they are athiest or not. I wouldnt hire an athiest.

Why would you not hire an Atheist? How about a jewish fella? A Seik, or a Hindu?

Actually it is none of your business what some one's religious beliefs are when it comes to hiring and firing. But then again, you apparently fell asleep during that part of labor laws and such when you where studying for you contractors license.

[hvac hero]

Actually it is none of your business what some one's religious beliefs are when it comes to hiring and firing. .


so you gonna hire a guy that admits to worshipping satan?

[tinner73]

boy...you really just don't get it.:rolleyes:


FYI..it's none of YOUR business WHAT someone's religion is. it is illegal to discriminate against a person for religious beliefs. illegal. period. no gray area. why can't we leave our religious beliefs out of the work environment.

REGARDLESS of what YOU might think:rolleyes: lots of people don't want to listen to somebody...anybody rambling on about there religious beliefs.

would it be O.K. for your new atheist boss to go rambling on for an hour about NO God??? why is that any different than this guy's boss??? i wouldn't want to hear that $hit either.


here's an idea....keep your religious beliefs to yourself.;) ....i'll afford you the same courtesy.

[hvac hero]

boy...you really just don't get it.:rolleyes:


FYI..it's none of YOUR business WHAT someone's religion is. it is illegal to discriminate against a person for religious beliefs. illegal. period. no gray area. why can't we leave our religious beliefs out of the work environment.

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Oh I get it all right. But I'm the owner & I'm standing behind my statement. " I wouldnt hire a devil worshipper" I also wouldnt hire a woman thats into witchcraft. & I'm probably not gonna hire another guy that has a huge rebel flag tatood on his forearm. but thats off the subject. lol

[hvacbear]

Isn't it sad that as soon as anyone comes along who is out of our comfrot capsule we close up like a hermit crab? I would or wouldn't hire an Athiest, Baptist,Buddist, Rosecrucian, Methodist etc. We seldom judge people for who they are or what their capabilities are.

In this case there was a bad boss who happened to be Christian. I have had bad bosses who were every relgion creed and color so does that mean everyone is bad? I have met good people of every variety as well but we all are not good. I guess my point is I try to judge the person not the profession.

[RoBoTeq]

Does no one get that we have again been had by yet another non-HVAC God hating antagonist?

While I have definitely seen hypocrisy in religous folk, it is quite obvious that the op of this thread is fabricating a story in order to promote his/her views of Christians.

I for one would rather see this forum disappear altogether rather then have it turn into yet another God and U.S. hating forum constantly ravaged by non-HVAC posters from sites such as Internet Infidels.

And then to add to the richness of this BS story, we get to hear the drivel of the union saviour wannabe come to the rescue of the atheist bs story.

What next; Christian workers stealing and raping the family pets?

[oloenneker]

so you gonna hire a guy that admits to worshipping satan?


What difference does it make? If the guy can do his job well, and shows up every day, and produces, I don't care what fairy tale he wants to believe in. Nor should it matter to you.

[RoBoTeq]

What difference does it make? If the guy can do his job well, and shows up every day, and produces, I don't care what fairy tale he wants to believe in. Nor should it matter to you.

I agree with this, but getting us to argue about each others beliefs is the only thing the op really wanted to do. It is obvious that the op is a Christian basher who has no interest in HVAC whatsoever. Why do we keep letting cons like this infest this forum?

[oloenneker]

*****

[oloenneker]

I agree with this, but getting us to argue about each others beliefs is the only thing the op really wanted to do. It is obvious that the op is a Christian basher who has no interest in HVAC whatsoever. Why do we keep letting cons like this infest this forum?

Damn, Robo... You are right, and I fell for it, and got riled up and attacked you.


I apologize...

[oloenneker]

Oh I get it all right. But I'm the owner & I'm standing behind my statement. " I wouldnt hire a devil worshipper" I also wouldnt hire a woman thats into witchcraft. & I'm probably not gonna hire another guy that has a huge rebel flag tatood on his forearm. but thats off the subject. lol

Well, I know your intent, but according to labor laws, that is illegal.

If I where you, I would make up some other reason for not hiring those people, like "not qualified for the job" etc....

It will keep your lawyer happy!

[markettech]

Damn, Robo... You are right, and I fell for it, and got riled up and attacked you.


I apologize...

:eek: :eek: :eek: Well folks, that's the sign we were all looking for....the world will be coming to an end tomorrow.................................:D

[RoBoTeq]

:eek: :eek: :eek: Well folks, that's the sign we were all looking for....the world will be coming to an end tomorrow.................................:D

Funny, but not true. I may not agree much with oleo but I do trust that his posts are truly from how he believes and that I must respect. There are a couple of others on this forum who simply do not belong here because their only intent is to stir up crap and degrade Christians and the U.S.

[oloenneker]

Isn't it sad that as soon as anyone comes along who is out of our comfrot capsule we close up like a hermit crab? I would or wouldn't hire an Athiest, Baptist,Buddist, Rosecrucian, Methodist etc. We seldom judge people for who they are or what their capabilities are.

In this case there was a bad boss who happened to be Christian. I have had bad bosses who were every relgion creed and color so does that mean everyone is bad? I have met good people of every variety as well but we all are not good. I guess my point is I try to judge the person not the profession.

EXACTLY!!


Currently my boss is a Born-again.... He is a scheister salesman, and in my eyes, is somewhat of a rip off... I don't blame his religion for this, but rather his greed. In no way do I think it has anything to do with his choice of religion or how he practices it. He's not preachy, he knows better. He just likes big commisions... Fine. Keeps me working.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: It's not my morals that have to sleep on ripping off that old lady that just needed a new gas valve, but got a new furnace, heatpump, and EAC,and an added Return Air duct....:( :(


Business as usual.

[RoBoTeq]

Damn, Robo... You are right, and I fell for it, and got riled up and attacked you.


I apologize...

Apology not needed but appreciated.

This thread hits me with a double whammy by attacking my faith as well as my profession. If this story really did happen, there are just so many ways to legally handle it.

My ex-wife worked for a cultist type of pseudo-Christian company that required an unpaid 1/2 hour of prayer before every work day. When one of the employees sued the company over this practice my ex along with all others who were offended by this practice testified that the practice indeed took place. Nearly a hundred thousand dollars in back pay was awarded to technicians who joined the suit.

With today's labor laws, there are not many legitimate labor issues that cannot be settled legally.

[RoBoTeq]

EXACTLY!!


Currently my boss is a Born-again.... He is a scheister salesman, and in my eyes, is somewhat of a rip off... I don't blame his religion for this, but rather his greed. In no way do I think it has anything to do with his choice of religion or how he practices it. He's not preachy, he knows better. He just likes big commisions... Fine. Keeps me working.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: It's not my morals that have to sleep on ripping off that old lady that just needed a new gas valve, but got a new furnace, heatpump, and EAC,and an added Return Air duct....:( :(


Business as usual.

Again I have to state I have seen the same thing from pious people. Most of my dealings have been with Christians and Jews simply because that is what makes up most of the population of where I live. It seems that the more pious people claim their faith the more they are trying to convince themselves as much as others. People of faith are more convincing with good actions, not good words.

Is this not the argument that Jesus had against the money changers in the temple?

[oloenneker]

Again I have to state I have seen the same thing from pious people. Most of my dealings have been with Christians and Jews simply because that is what makes up most of the population of where I live. It seems that the more pious people claim their faith the more they are trying to convince themselves as much as others. People of faith are more convincing with good actions, not good words.

Is this not the argument that Jesus had against the money changers in the temple?

I guess what I wast trying to say is: It has nothing to do with somone's religion. Greed is greed, no matter how you slice it. It's one of the most disturbing aspects of business, but it's the law of the land. To succeed, one must be "cut throat". I understand this, and as someone who is aspiring to become a business owner my self, see this as one of my stumbling blocks. I want to be honest and fair, but I also realize that you have to be profitable as well. I do however believe that there is a fine line between providing a valuable service, and being a predator. The latter is what I detest. I work for a predator, which makes it hard for to sleep at night at times. It does not help that the main predator in charge, also claims to have these "christian values"... To me, that statement is BS, and like you said, they are just convincing themselves of just that!

But I also know, being honest and fair, I'll never get rich at this game. I guess it's just a matter of how far I am willing to take it.

[hvacbear]

People are people Christian, Jew, Athiest or Hindu.
There are good mixed in with the bad. I agree with Roboteq that after a while the same old story gets....... old. Lets put this one to bed.

As we have seen in this thread already Olenneker (Athiest) is morally concerned that his Christian boss is $crewing people. Robo and I (Christian/protestant) have seen the same or worse from Christian bosses.
I personally had an Athiest boss who was just breating up good air, and I currently have a Athiest coworker that is absolutely outstanding. I had a Christian boss who was one of the best HVAC mech's on earth and sold great deals.

Providing a good product at a fair (making a very good living) price is nothing to be ashamed of. I believe that we should have the best interest of our clients in mind, but also give them what they wish for.

For example if a young lady desires chest enhancement does she neeeeed it? and if so does she need DD's? (no opinions here just sheer utility:))
Of course not she will make it through life just fine, but you can find 1,000Doctors that will provide the service. The Focus is customer choice. So it may be a dead fan motor but if they want a new 20 SEER system give it to them and deposit the check and sleep good. I for one when I strike out on my own will not apoloigise for making good or even great money. If you do not value my service do not buy it! I am not saying open season on pressure sales either provide the facts along with a choice (several if you are smart) and let the customer decide.

[chinook pass]

So now I'm a liar ...hmmmm...the only point I was trying to make is that the more people push their so-called moral faith on others, it's been in my experience that the more dishonest they are...just take a look at the current resident of the 'White House'....

[jrbenny]

You really should stop at this point...

[markettech]

So now I'm a liar ...hmmmm...the only point I was trying to make is that the more people push their so-called moral faith on others, it's been in my experience that the more dishonest they are...just take a look at the current resident of the 'White House'....

You weren't able to accomplish the desired effect from the religion OP, so now you're hitting the American and Politics side of things................Hmmmm

Next time, don't be so lazy - start a new thread.

You never did answer my question..............You from MI?

[k-fridge]

So now I'm a liar ...hmmmm...the only point I was trying to make is that the more people push their so-called moral faith on others, it's been in my experience that the more dishonest they are...just take a look at the current resident of the 'White House'....
Me thinks you're just a dude that has something crossways up your butt and you come here to ***** about it. Seems to me that you're the one with issues, I recommend Prozac for that.

Now that we've met....anything good happen to you this week? :o

[RoBoTeq]

So now I'm a liar ...hmmmm...the only point I was trying to make is that the more people push their so-called moral faith on others, it's been in my experience that the more dishonest they are...just take a look at the current resident of the 'White House'....

Yes, I do believe you are a liar. That of course is just my opinion.

[RoBoTeq]

Me thinks you're just a dude that has something crossways up your butt and you come here to ***** about it. Seems to me that you're the one with issues, I recommend Prozac for that.

Now that we've met....anything good happen to you this week? :o

Good things don't happen to people like this and it is always the fault of Christians and the president.

[chinook pass]

Hey K fridge...Me thinks you have been thinking about my ass too much,,,,I hope that you stay away from the little boys in the choir....and to the rest of you fruitcake Bible freaks if you don't like what I write here ...FORGIVE ME...LOL

[k-fridge]

Hey K fridge...Me thinks you have been thinking about my ass too much,,,,I hope that you stay away from the little boys in the choir....and to the rest of you fruitcake Bible freaks if you don't like what I write here ...FORGIVE ME...LOL

Well I'd say that statement pretty well validates what we thought about you.

[chinook pass]

And that is ????

[k-fridge]

And that is ????
That you're just a Christian hater with a mouth full of sour grapes. Otherwise you would have worded your posts differently.

[markettech]

And that is ????

If you haven't already figured it out from all the "positive" feedback you've gotten, you're more dense than I originally thought.:rolleyes:

[k-fridge]

A professional member and only 6 posts since Nov. 2005...

Me thinks sompin smell fishy.

[markettech]

A professional member and only 6 posts since Nov. 2005...

Me thinks sompin smell fishy.


2005.......that's back when they opened the gates for anybody with a checkbook. :p

I wouldn't have gotten in myself otherwise.:o

[k-fridge]

2005.......that's back when they opened the gates for anybody with a checkbook. :p

I wouldn't have gotten in myself otherwise.:o

But 6 posts? What'd he do, save them up for bashing Christians and Republicans?

[chinook pass]

Had a interview today, nailed it, start on next tues, 3 bucks more a hour, 5 more paid holidays and check this out , I asked one of the techs if the owner was a BORNAGAIN he said naw "he's a BONE HER AGAIN maybe ....Too F'ing funny!!:)

[ga-hvac-tech]

Had a interview today, nailed it, start on next tues, 3 bucks more a hour, 5 more paid holidays and check this out , I asked one of the techs if the owner was a BORNAGAIN he said naw "he's a BONE HER AGAIN maybe ....Too F'ing funny!!:)

Well, you are obviously SAFE from growing in a relationship with the Lord there...

[k-fridge]

Well, you are obviously SAFE from growing in a relationship with the Lord there...
And with a name like Chinook I suspect he won't be happy in a HOT climate.:o

[ga-hvac-tech]

And with a name like Chinook I suspect he won't be happy in a HOT climate.:o

Good one Fridge!

You will have mail later.

[chillbilly]

But 6 posts? What'd he do, save them up for bashing Christians and Republicans?
Yep. And he's only 11K bashings short of geer. :rolleyes:

[geerair]

But 6 posts? What'd he do, save them up for bashing Christians and Republicans?A noble use of bandwidth. ;)

[k-fridge]

A noble use of bandwidth. ;)

LOL, OK....I'll give you credit for the good comeback. Somehow I doubt he's that cunning though.

[RoBoTeq]

Had a interview today, nailed it, start on next tues, 3 bucks more a hour, 5 more paid holidays and check this out , I asked one of the techs if the owner was a BORNAGAIN he said naw "he's a BONE HER AGAIN maybe ....Too F'ing funny!!:)

And the lies continue. What in the world makes you think the pro members of this site are stupid enough to believe the things you are posting about being in the HVAC trade?

[chinook pass]

My friend NATE told me that you R 22 times more stupid than 601 type 1 &2 &3 frozen over, subcooled Blah blah blah......dont't you got to take a piss test or sumthang ?

[markettech]

My friend NATE told me that you R 22 times more stupid than 601 type 1 &2 &3 frozen over, subcooled Blah blah blah......dont't you got to take a piss test or sumthang ?

Well now, I guess Robo is wrong.......You know HVAC words and everything!!:rolleyes:

[k-fridge]

My friend NATE told me that you R 22 times more stupid than 601 type 1 &2 &3 frozen over, subcooled Blah blah blah......dont't you got to take a piss test or sumthang ?

Reading this almost makes me support mandatory sterilization.

[RoBoTeq]

Reading this almost makes me support mandatory sterilization.

And make it retroactive:rolleyes:

[chinook pass]

Ya mean like commie China??? WTF is wrong what you??? Got a picture of David Duke on your wall??....

[markettech]

Ya mean like commie China??? WTF is wrong what you??? Got a picture of David Duke on your wall??....

Geez, I can't keep up with you....Make up your mind - America, Religion, or Politics......It's ok to get backed into a corner by Robo - he's done it to much better than you. Be a man - stay focused.

[fatboywv]

If God didn't create the universe, then who did, because somebody sure did. And if you believe in the big bang, who created the bang?

[markettech]

And if you believe in the big bang, who created the bang?

I don't know who created it, but when still single I did my best to perfect it.:cool:

[chinook pass]

Who made GOD?

[fatboywv]

Who made the universe?

[RoBoTeq]

The entity we refer to as God is not physical and therefore was not created but rather just "is". This is supported by the Biblical reference to God referring to Himself as "I am".

All of the physical world is a Creation of God. More then likely the Diests have it best figured out with all of the physical world having natural rules that have consequences for actions. We refer to this natural physics as "mother nature", which is nothing less then a feminine reference to God.

[RoBoTeq]

Hey, look what I came across when I googled "chinook pass";


Name: Chinook Pass
Sex: Gelding
Date of birth: 2002


geld·ing (gldng) KEY

NOUN:

A castrated animal
Now it all makes sense.

[scrogdog]

The entity we refer to as God is not physical and therefore was not created but rather just "is". This is supported by the Biblical reference to God referring to Himself as "I am".

All of the physical world is a Creation of God. More then likely the Diests have it best figured out with all of the physical world having natural rules that have consequences for actions. We refer to this natural physics as "mother nature", which is nothing less then a feminine reference to God.

What did God do, exactly, before creation? Infinity stretches in both directions. Does God amuse himself? Does he need to?

[ga-hvac-tech]

What did God do, exactly, before creation? Infinity stretches in both directions. Does God amuse himself? Does he need to?

Just pickin' on you Scrog, but if you choose God (Christ), you can ask Him when you get to heaven... ;) Otherwise, you will just have to wonder or dream or try to figure it out... :confused:

[k-fridge]

Ya mean like commie China??? WTF is wrong what you??? Got a picture of David Duke on your wall??....
You probably know a lot about Commie places.

[mrs reb77]

Who made GOD?

11 posts and this is how you are expressing yourself?
Please please just go back to being invisible, it has served you well since 2005.

[k-fridge]

11 posts and this is how you are expressing yourself?
Please please just go back to being invisible, it has served you well since 2005.

Oh I have a feeling he is someone we know by other screen names.

[RoBoTeq]

What did God do, exactly, before creation? Infinity stretches in both directions. Does God amuse himself? Does he need to?

Hell scrog, we can't even figure out what's going on with mankind let alone know what God's schedule is. The best I can figure is that the complete spiritual entity of God is everything, good and evil. It appears that God seperated good from evil and is Created a physical world that evil can rule over.

It also appears that evil may have been boasting about being more popular then God. This may have been the catalyst that caused God to have spiritual parts of Himself into physical beings and allow those beings (us) to make the choice between good and evil. This is a really rough draft, but seems to make sense given the evidence at hand.

[scrogdog]

Just pickin' on you Scrog, but if you choose God (Christ), you can ask Him when you get to heaven... ;) Otherwise, you will just have to wonder or dream or try to figure it out... :confused:

I wanna know now! :p

:D

[chillbilly]

I wanna know now! :p

:D

LOL

Hey scrog;
What would you say if I told you that God could be charachterized as the "force of life"?

[oloenneker]

LOL, welcome to Chinook Pass! Welcome to the animal known as ARP...

His first post here, and it has so far gone 7 pages...


Now sit back and enjoy the show.

[scrogdog]

LOL

Hey scrog;
What would you say if I told you that God could be charachterized as the "force of life"?


I would say that sounds like a reasonable characterization of how men view God. :)

[bootlen]

JMNSHO...

I think Chinook actually experienced what he OP'ed. There are lots of business owners who attend church, pray, sing in the choir, attend Bible study religiously but cheat and steal legally through their business.

They may be born again (which, GAHVAC-Tech, makes them Christians according to Scripture) but have zero spiritual maturity. The bottom line is that God will deal with them...in this life or the next...but He WILL deal with them, and it will not be pleasant. Scripture promises that.

Then again, they may claim to be born again but are, in truth, lost as Hogan's goat (sorry Dice :D ). They talk it but don't walk it. All they do is give Christianity a bad name.

Is Chinook down on Christianity? Darn right, he is. And if he has not believed on Christ himself, I totally understand why. Been there, done that.

What I would say to you, Chinook, is search the Scriptures for yourself and find someone who walks what they talk about Christianity. There are lots of them around and you'll know 'em when you have spent some time around 'em. Then, all the crap your boss puts out will not have the effect it has and you will find yourself able to call him on it. Heck...you might even save his soul. Stranger things have happened.:)

[jrbenny]

LOL, welcome to Chinook Pass! Welcome to the animal known as ARP...

His first post here, and it has so far gone 7 pages...


Now sit back and enjoy the show.
Funny thing...

He started this little rant in General. It got moved here at some point.

[chinook pass]

Chinook Pass is the one of the fastest thoughbreds to walk the planet. He was born in the great state of Washington, he won 16 races from 25 starts 4 times 2nd 1 time 3rd and made
$480,073 , hall of fame jockey Lafett Pincay Jr said of Chinook Pass... "fastest horse I ever rode", He was voted CHAMPION spinter 1983....yes he was gelded and why would that have any thing to do with me as a person I just don't get....why is it the you fruitcake biblefreaks are always thinking of other men's units??? You all frothed up over Bill Clinton's cock...why is that????

[oloenneker]

]why is it the you fruitcake biblefreaks are always thinking of other men's units??? You all frothed up over Bill Clinton's cock...why is that????

Jealousy.

[chillbilly]

WOW. Real words of wisdom there.:rolleyes:
The op has showed his true colors as a God hating, nut case and wanker is right there in his corner.
Yes, yes son. I'm sure every religious person on the planet is "jealous" of a lying, opportunistic, adultering, womanizer who has left a legacy on the presidency that would embarass Alfred E. Neuman.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. :rolleyes:

[oloenneker]

WOW. Real words of wisdom there.:rolleyes:
The op has showed his true colors as a God hating, nut case and wanker is right there in his corner.


Not in my corner, but I can agree with some of his points, whatrs wrong with that? In your perfect world, we would all think alike. That I also disagree with.



Yes, yes son. I'm sure every religious person on the planet is "jealous" of a lying, opportunistic, adultering, womanizer who has left a legacy on the presidency that would embarass Alfred E. Neuman.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. :rolleyes:

Did I say "every" religious person? Did I? Once again, Chill, you are reading WAY too far in between the lines. YOu are very good at "imagined" reading comprehension...

And yes, I would rather have a womanizer leader than a overzealous war monger any day. When Clinton lied, no one died. Speaking of Alfred E. Newman, I won't bring in the GW Bush comparison to the Mad magazine spokesman...

[RoBoTeq]

Jealousy.

C'mon....even with being 54 years old, overweight and no access to the White House, I still do better then Bill Clinton did.

[oloenneker]

C'mon....even with being 54 years old, overweight and no access to the White House, I still do better then Bill Clinton did.

All of Bill's little ladies are a sure bet better than Hillary:eek: :p :p ... You have to see it from perspective...:o :o

[RoBoTeq]

All of Bill's little ladies are a sure bet better than Hillary:eek: :p :p ... You have to see it from perspective...:o :o

I'll give him that one. However; can you imagine how ticked off every president of the U.S. must be at President Clinton because the dumbass ruined the power perk of being able to state you had sex in the oval office? Even if we get another devoutly faithful president like Jimmy Carter, he won't be able to lust in his mind if he is in the White House.

[chillbilly]

Not in my corner, but I can agree with some of his points, whatrs wrong with that? In your perfect world, we would all think alike. That I also disagree with.
The problem with you wanker is that you would agree with any point of view provided it is not conservative or republican.



Did I say "every" religious person? Did I? Once again, Chill, you are reading WAY too far in between the lines. YOu are very good at "imagined" reading comprehension..
There's nothing imagined about it. You most certainly did implicate everyone with your one-word, blanket opinion.
If you don't want to be misunderstood, you need to elaborate instead of leaving so much on the table to be inferred.
DUH
In other words, say what you mean or stop complaining when people don't understand you.


And yes, I would rather have a womanizer leader than a overzealous war monger any day. When Clinton lied, no one died. Speaking of Alfred E. Newman, I won't bring in the GW Bush comparison to the Mad magazine spokesman...
LOL That's just like you wanker. Relying on the bumper sticker mentality to state your case. Are you certain that no one died as a result of the Clinton legacy of lies? Google it before you answer.

[geerair]

Jealousy.http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/rotflol.gif

[oloenneker]

The problem with you wanker is that you would agree with any point of view provided it is not conservative or republican.



Thats not true, and you know it. As a matter of fact, I will most likely vote for a Republican President in the 2008 election. I think that there is promise in characters like Ron Paul. But, hey, I guess that blows your point well out of the water.:cool:




There's nothing imagined about it. You most certainly did implicate everyone with your one-word, blanket opinion.
If you don't want to be misunderstood, you need to elaborate instead of leaving so much on the table to be inferred.
DUH
In other words, say what you mean or stop complaining when people don't understand you.



You are the only member on this board that misunderstands my posts with an alarming regularity. That being the case, perhaps it is you that need to re-evaluate your reading comprehension skills, not my writing skills. And yes, I was making a blanket statement. I typed one word. I let your imagination run wild, and look at the result.




LOL That's just like you wanker. Relying on the bumper sticker mentality to state your case. Are you certain that no one died as a result of the Clinton legacy of lies? Google it before you answer.

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It certainly is a slogan found on a bumper sticker, and it is valid. How many people dies because of ol' billybobs lies? I would like to see you stats on that one. Maybe there where some broken hearts, and a ruined dress, but they hardly equate starting an elective war on false premises, and defending those premises with more and more lies. Maybe you don't see them as lies, and that I feel sorry for you about.