It appears Tillman was murdered.

[tinknocker44]

“This war is so focking illegal.” (Patrick Tillman)

From the AP:

SAN FRANCISCO -
Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman’s forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player’s death amounted to a crime, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

“The medical evidence did not match up with the, with the scenario as described,” a doctor who examined Tillman’s body after he was killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators.

The doctors - whose names were blacked out - said that the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away.

In other words, Pat Tillman was most likely murdered in the field. In cold blood. By other US soldiers.

This must be what the Bush Administration was trying so desperately to hide behind their all purpose “Executive Privilege” shield.

Also from the AP article:

Among other information contained in the documents:

_ In his last words moments before he was killed, Tillman snapped at a panicky comrade under fire to shut up and stop “sniveling.”

_ Army attorneys sent each other congratulatory e-mails for keeping criminal investigators at bay as the Army conducted an internal friendly-fire investigation that resulted in administrative, or non-criminal, punishments.

_ The three-star general who kept the truth about Tillman’s death from his family and the public told investigators some 70 times that he had a bad memory and couldn’t recall details of his actions.

_ No evidence at all of enemy fire was found at the scene - no one was hit by enemy fire, nor was any government equipment struck.

The Pentagon and the Bush administration have been criticized in recent months for lying about the circumstances of Tillman’s death. The military initially told the public and the Tillman family that he had been killed by enemy fire. Only weeks later did the Pentagon acknowledge he was gunned down by fellow Rangers.

I wonder how long it will take the John Derbyshires and Michelle Malkins of the Rabid Right to insist that Tillman was to blame for his own murder. Start the countdown. Let’s synchronize our watches…

Because remember, kids, nobody supports the troops like the Republicans. Until they do something that’s bad for PR like get hurt or killed or dare to actually tell the truth about the GOP’s Great War on Civilians. Then it’s off to the trash heap of history with them.

Tillman’s mother, Mary Tillman, who has long suggested that her son was deliberately killed by his comrades, said she is still looking for answers and looks forward to the congressional hearings next week.

“Nothing is going to bring Pat back. It’s about justice for Pat and justice for other soldiers. The nation has been deceived,” she said.

Of all the disgraceful, sickening things our country has done in the name of “spreading liberty” in the Great War on Terrah, this one is a real prize-winner. I only hope that his family can find some kind of peace in the days ahead. In the wake of such a devastating loss followed by a breathtaking series of insults and brush-offs from the US government and the leadership of the armed forces, if I were in their shoes, I think I would simply have lost my mind by now.





http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/07/26/late-nite-fdl-a-whole-new-level-of-horror/

[James 3528]

The AP source story never used the word murder. Only the left wing blogg you linked and you. Why did you build this story into something it wasn't?


Supporting the troops eh?

[tinknocker44]

The AP source story never used the word murder. Only the left wing blogg you linked and you. Why did you build this story into something it wasn't?


Supporting the troops eh?

Tillmans case has been nothing but lies and coverups and you think theres no chance of a murder? Its seems you only support the troops that'll do whatever it takes to push the bush clusterfock. You're a real patriot.:rolleyes:

[tinknocker44]

Listen to the General about the Tillman case.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpGK6WidRyo

[James 3528]

Oh please//piffff Clark and the Internet Whore Chaser...LOL



You copied a story that was fabricated from a AP story with a opinion you served up as a fact. Now you serve up Wes Clark and the Whore Chaser ..LOL

The Internet Whore Chaser asks the opinion of a shill democrat operative general that murdered so many civilians in Kosovo that Clinton pulled him out.

You should go soak your head.

[tinknocker44]

You should go soak your head.

I told you once that I'll never go back to being a Pugly.

[James 3528]

Good, you never were.


In fact you sound like you are 16

[tinknocker44]

Good, you never were.


In fact you sound like you are 16


That would make you 4.

[mrs reb77]

And he'd still have 100% more intelligence than you. :rolleyes:

[tinknocker44]

And he'd still have 100% more intelligence than you. :rolleyes:

Good 1 Butch. :rolleyes:

[geerair]

Yeah, this is a huge blackeye for Bush and his henchmen and the story has the potential to get even worse.

[whec720]

Yeah, this is a huge blackeye for Bush and his henchmen and the story has the potential to get even worse.

You're right, geer. It has the potential to lower Bush's approval ratings down to that of the Democrat controlled Congress. Now he is in BIG doo doo! :p :D

[James 3528]

You're right, geer. It has the potential to lower Bush's approval ratings down to that of the Democrat controlled Congress. Now he is in BIG doo doo! :p :D

LOL BOOM!!!!

[geerair]

You're right, geer. It has the potential to lower Bush's approval ratings down to that of the Democrat controlled Congress. Now he is in BIG doo doo! :p :DWho said anything about his approval ratings? Bush's ratings will drop with or without the Tillman fiasco.

No my friend, this is more about another turd attaching to the already slime covered Bush "Worst President in U.S. History" legacy. ;)

[whec720]

Who said anything about his approval ratings? Bush's ratings will drop with or without the Tillman fiasco.

No my friend, this is more about another turd attaching to the already slime covered Bush "Worst President in U.S. History" legacy. ;)

"Worst President in U.S. History"? Who said anything about Jimmy Carter's legacy?
You see, geer. The problem with your "turds" is that they don't attach. When are you gonna get it? You are as hopeless as tink.


BTW, we're not "friends".

[geerair]

"Worst President in U.S. History"? Who said anything about Jimmy Carter's legacy?Nobody. Where did you get that?





You see, geer. The problem with your "turds" is that they don't attach. True, but Bush's do. http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/rotflol.gif






BTW, we're not "friends".Boy, you conservlicans are a high strung bunch.

[k-fridge]

Bush "Worst President in U.S. History" legacy.

You don't seriously believe that do you? If you're half as smart as you think you are you'll also know that history often remembers a president very differently than how he was thought of while in office. One of the reasons for this is that as time goes by the true effect of his policies are realized and the political hype is yesterdays news.

Now...I'll be the first to admit that Dubya has made his mistakes, but he's also getting a bad rap for some things that are not his fault and he's not getting credit for the things he's done well. Anytime in recent history that we're in an extended war the country tires of it and the president becomes unpopular. That's just the unfortunate reality of todays panty waste society. Anyone with a brain knows that the problem with terrorism has been coming on for 30+ years and Bush just happened to be at the helm when all hell broke loose. The only thing a president Gore or Kerry might have done differently is to do what previous administrations did and put the problem off for someone else to deal with another day. The problem with that is, it only gets bigger the longer you wait. Adding to the war factor, the loose spending congress and a Democratic party who stands on both sides of the fence has further hurt Bush's popularity. Bush has hurt himself by not using his veto pen and his lack of communication skills has prevented him from defending himself as other presidents with better verbal skills have (IE Clinton and Reagan).

The above items have overshadowed the good. The economy is quite strong, certain things ebb and flow but during Clinton's years these numbers would have been reported as phenomenal. http://www.newsmax.com/money/archives/articles/2007/7/27/084957.cfm?s=lh
Bush's economic policies have been mostly good aside from allowing the runaway spending from the congress and he deserves credit for this. It should also be noted that he inherited an economic slowdown and that was made far worse by the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center. I feel that his actions following that disaster were paramount in the phenomenal way we recovered from that hit, it could have been far worse.

I do believe his administration has dramatically strengthened our homeland security and they also deserve credit for preventing subsequent terror attacks. Some of our allies have not been so effective in their counter-terrorism efforts. Though you may think this is silly, I think he has also restored a sexual morality to the White House and the way he publicly proclaims love and respect for his wife was something that was sorely needed after our last president.

Years from now after the hype and hatred dies down, history will view the Bush presidency with a clearer perspective. The real review will hinge on what the end result is from his Middle East policies, we can debate that 'till the cows come home but the bottom line is that we'll just have to wait and see. I suspect that he will be remembered as an average president with the variable being the outcome of the Iraq situation.

As for worst president in history...odds are that Jimmy Carter and LBJ are safe with that honor.

[geerair]

You don't seriously believe that do you? Me and thousands of professional historians.

The passage of time can only confirm Bush as the worst bar none.

[k-fridge]

Me and thousands of professional historians.

The passage of time can only confirm Bush as the worst bar none.
So now you're a prognosticater too huh? ;)

[geerair]

So now you're a prognosticater too huh? ;)I have second sight. ;)

[k-fridge]

I have second sight. ;)
Nah, all the drugs you did in the 60's just make you think you do.

[chillbilly]

Nah, all the drugs you did in the 60's just make you think you do.


LOL You may be more accurate than you know on that one, K. :D
Apparently he's got hindsight, not secondsight, whatever the hell that is.
When you google it, the first thing that comes up is a support site for women photographers.
Or could this be him?...........From Wikipedia,
User:SecondSight
I am a college junior in psychology. My interests include gender politics, feminism, the men's rights movement, human sexuality, evolutionary psychology, social dynamics, art, philosophy (specifically, philosophy of science), personality type, and videogames.

Won't have any "sight" at all if he doesn't get his head out of his a$$.

[geerair]

Nah, all the drugs you did in the 60's just make you think you do.Nah, a little pot, greenies and Darvon just to get through the football season.

Second sight is unaffected by these. ;)

[chillbilly]

Second sight is unaffected by these. ;)

Sigh.
Yeah, you just keep telling yourself that you're un-affected if that's what works for ya'.
More likely what you need is to be dis-infected.

[tinknocker44]

Anyone with a brain knows that the problem with terrorism has been coming on for 30+ years and Bush just happened to be at the helm when all hell broke loose.

So why did he go start a civil war in Iraq? Our troops babysit and die as AQ gets stronger. This optional war has nothing to do with terrorism. This is why he is the most incompetent and worst President ever.

[k-fridge]

Anyone with a brain knows that the problem with terrorism has been coming on for 30+ years and Bush just happened to be at the helm when all hell broke loose.

So why did he go start a civil war in Iraq? Our troops babysit and die as AQ gets stronger. This optional war has nothing to do with terrorism. This is why he is the most incompetent and worst President ever.

Are you really this brainwashed Tinky? Or just stupid?

It's not like Iraq was a nice peaceful place before we went in. alQaeda getting stronger? First off that's ridiculous. Secondly, by that statement I take you to mean alQaeda is in Iraq and if so that validates one of the reasons we're there.

I love it when you stick your foot in your mouth. :cool:

[tinknocker44]

Are you really this brainwashed Tinky? Or just stupid?

It's not like Iraq was a nice peaceful place before we went in. alQaeda getting stronger? First off that's ridiculous. Secondly, by that statement I take you to mean alQaeda is in Iraq and if so that validates one of the reasons we're there.

I love it when you stick your foot in your mouth. :cool:

What a good little sheeple you are. Apparently the NSA report is all lies with all those facts and whatever the chimp pulls out his a$$ is truth to you.

Yes AQ is in Iraq, now that Saddam is gone and we are there.

I love it when I stick my boot up your a$$

[whec720]

You nailed the second time. He is that stupid.:cool:

[k-fridge]

Yes AQ is in Iraq, now that Saddam is gone and we are there.


You're the best player our side has! You just confirmed what the Bush administration has been saying...we're fighting them over there instead of here.

Thanks for making my point for me.

[whec720]

k_fridge, you are confusing the chimp.
LOL.:D

[k-fridge]

k_fridge, you are confusing the chimp.
LOL.:D
Doesn't take much.

[whec720]

Doesn't take much.

Looks like tink is crying in his bananas.

[k-fridge]

Looks like tink is crying in his bananas.

All you have to do is pull him off his well rehearsed line of Democratic Underground propaganda and he's lost.

[geerair]

You're the best player our side has! You just confirmed what the Bush administration has been saying...we're fighting them over there instead of here.

Thanks for making my point for me.Bush and his mindless cheerleaders say that but nobody else does, particularly the recent NIE.

It has been sidesplittingly funny watching Bush in the past few days foaming at mouth about AQ in Iraq as if they were some gigantic, monolithic force, personally under the control of Bin laden when his own experts have been saying the opposite for years.

Military and Intelligence calculations show that Al-Qaeda in Iraq makes up perhaps only 5-8% of the insurgency and that most of AQ in Iraq are Iraqi nationals. Their agenda is focused on Iraq not attacking the U.S. homeland.

Bush and his mindless cheerleaders also refuse to acknowledge that the U.S. presence in Iraq is radicalizing Iraqis with the result of growing the insurgency and providing a training ground for these radicalized Iraqis who otherwise would be fighting AQ.

Let us not also forget that according to the experts without the U.S. presence, the Iraqi's would rid their country of AQ. As it stands the Iraqi's and AQ have a common cause, killing Americans.

Fight them there so we don't fight them here, is nothing more than a shallow mantra which is neither supported by the evidence or exhibits a shallow understanding of the situation in Iraq.

Bin laden himself has endorsed Bush's "stay the course" and "the surge". Bush is playing right into Bin laden's hands and Bin laden has only to sit back and watch the quagmire unfold.


Zeus deliver us from fools on this board whose highest intellectual achievement is parroting Bush and his pathetic excuses for his optional excursion.

[James 3528]

Bush and his mindless cheerleaders say that but nobody else does, particularly the recent NIE.

It has been sidesplittingly funny watching Bush in the past few days foaming at mouth about AQ in Iraq as if they were some gigantic, monolithic force, personally under the control of Bin laden when his own experts have been saying the opposite for years.

Military and Intelligence calculations show that Al-Qaeda in Iraq makes up perhaps only 5-8% of the insurgency and that most of AQ in Iraq are Iraqi nationals. Their agenda is focused on Iraq not attacking the U.S. homeland.

Bush and his mindless cheerleaders also refuse to acknowledge that the U.S. presence in Iraq is radicalizing Iraqis with the result of growing the insurgency and providing a training ground for these radicalized Iraqis who otherwise would be fighting AQ.

Let us not also forget that according to the experts without the U.S. presence, the Iraqi's would rid their country of AQ. As it stands the Iraqi's and AQ have a common cause, killing Americans.

Fight them there so we don't fight them here, is nothing more than a shallow mantra which is neither supported by the evidence or exhibits a shallow understanding of the situation in Iraq.

Bin laden himself has endorsed Bush's "stay the course" and "the surge". Bush is playing right into Bin laden's hands and Bin laden has only to sit back and watch the quagmire unfold.


Zeus deliver us from fools on this board whose highest intellectual achievement is parroting Bush and his pathetic excuses for his optional excursion.

It's Iran in Iraq and at the rate insurgents are dying, I think Bin Laden was blowing smoke and you were inhaling it. You have always spoke more ill will against the US president than the ideology and those that follow it that killed 3,000 US citizens on September 11. But hey, that's just the way the senate and house democrats see it also.

[chillbilly]

It's Iran in Iraq and at the rate insurgents are dying, I think Bin Laden was blowing smoke and you were inhaling it. You have always spoke more ill will against the US president than the ideology and those that follow it that killed 3,000 US citizens on September 11.That's a good point James and you nailed it.
The idealogy won't disappear regardless of what strategy is undertaken.
It'll be sad, yet funny if we have to watch a dem president fail against their idealogy with "diplomacy".
GWB's predecessor knows all about failings.
Hell, we wouldn't even be in this position if he hadn't sold the Ponderosa to anyone willing to sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom.


But hey, that's just the way the senate and house democrats see it also.
Yep. It is and it's politics at it's ugliest.

I'm all for diplomacy, but there comes a time when diplomacy fails.
Iraq, as well as some of their other neighbors, have been feigning blows at their neighbors, especially Kuwait and Israel, with even more force than previous years.
It was clear to the whole world that Iraq was in contempt of UN mandates and was openly defiant about their weaponry.
This is not opinion. It's fact, written in UN petition after petition.

I know alot of people here hate the fact that we support Israel over there, but I'm not one of them.
In fact, I see Israel as one of the only countries we should be supporting over there.

[k-fridge]

Let us not also forget that according to the experts without the U.S. presence, the Iraqi's would rid their country of AQ. As it stands the Iraqi's and AQ have a common cause, killing Americans.

That's ridiculous! Part of the problem that's causing us to be stuck in Iraq now is that after all the years under Saddam, the Iraqi people don't have the belly to fight. With Saddam gone and without the US there, they would quickly become subjects of Iran or Syria.

For somebody who things they're so smart you sure write some dumb things.

Course if you really were smart you wouldn't be a bed wetting liberal.

[tinknocker44]

[QUOTE=k_fridge;1568448]That's ridiculous! Part of the problem that's causing us to be stuck in Iraq now is that after all the years under Saddam, the Iraqi people don't have the belly to fight.
QUOTE]

Their having no problem fighting us. As usual your logic is flawed.

[k-fridge]

[quote=k_fridge;1568448]That's ridiculous! Part of the problem that's causing us to be stuck in Iraq now is that after all the years under Saddam, the Iraqi people don't have the belly to fight.
QUOTE]

The[y're] having no problem fighting us. As usual your logic is flawed.

Not as flawed as your spelling and HTML.

Dumb azz! It's not the Iraqis that are fighting us, it's people from other countries. When we came over there and started busting up their little power party, the leaders of the radicals started recruiting angry idiots to fight us. Little things like freedom and democracy make things very difficult for tyrants, a free and democratic middle east would mean the end for these people who gain power and money from picking fights with the west.

The poor Iraqis just want to be left alone. Problem is, that won't happen until they grow some balls and take control of their destiny. But hey....if we gotta kill the terrorists I'd rather kill them there than here.

Now...you're really floundering here so you need to go back to Democratic Underground and copy/paste some more articles so your stupid propaganda will at least be well written even if it is wrong.

[chillbilly]

Their having no problem fighting us. As usual your logic is flawed.

Sure they're having problems.
Look at the differences in the structure and leadership of the Taliban and Al-Queda. They're so desperate that they are attempting to gain control in Pakistan by trying to take out Musharraf, because their safe haven has been drastically altered in areas they previously dominated.
Their supreme leaders are either cave dwellers, captured and awaiting trial, or dead.
The USA has been spanking their asses for almost the entire time Bush has been in office and you are too stupid to acknowledge the drastic differences and positive changes made by and for millions of Iraqis and Afghan people.
You keep hanging your hat on crooks and liars and let the men handle your security son.

[whec720]

[QUOTE=k_fridge;1568448]That's ridiculous! Part of the problem that's causing us to be stuck in Iraq now is that after all the years under Saddam, the Iraqi people don't have the belly to fight.
QUOTE]

Their having no problem fighting us. As usual your logic is flawed.

Anyone ever notice that tink talks like a retarded Darth Vader?:p

[chillbilly]

Anyone ever notice that tink talks like a retarded Darth Vader?:p

LOL
Yeah, it almost makes me prefer to read the spam.

His original debate is a lot funnier though.
Dumber than dammit'... but funny.

[k-fridge]

[quote=tinknocker44;1568467]

Anyone ever notice that tink talks like a retarded Darth Vader?:p

Well there's no doubt about him being retarded; however, I doubt he has enough testosterone to have a voice as deep as Darth Vader.

[whec720]

[quote=whec720;1568513]

Well there's no doubt about him being retarded; however, I doubt he has enough testosterone to have a voice as deep as Darth Vader.

LMAO.:D :D :D

[ckone180]

[quote=whec720;1568513]

Well there's no doubt about him being retarded; however, I doubt he has enough testosterone to have a voice as deep as Darth Vader.

Sometimes he speaks through a fan like the movie Tommy Boy. It helps him sleep at night.

[tinknocker44]

[quote=tinknocker44;1568467]

Not as flawed as your spelling and HTML.

Dumb azz! It's not the Iraqis that are fighting us, it's people from other countries. When we came over there and started busting up their little power party, the leaders of the radicals started recruiting angry idiots to fight us. Little things like freedom and democracy make things very difficult for tyrants, a free and democratic middle east would mean the end for these people who gain power and money from picking fights with the west.

The poor Iraqis just want to be left alone. Problem is, that won't happen until they grow some balls and take control of their destiny. But hey....if we gotta kill the terrorists I'd rather kill them there than here.

Now...you're really floundering here so you need to go back to Democratic Underground and copy/paste some more articles so your stupid propaganda will at least be well written even if it is wrong.


You're so gullible to the Pugly propaganda you dont even believe the people there reporting the facts. As Geer posted,

Military and Intelligence calculations show that Al-Qaeda in Iraq makes up perhaps only 5-8% of the insurgency and that most of AQ in Iraq are Iraqi nationals.

This doesnt fit into your Neocon idiology so you post lies you want to believe.
Anybody who believes that AQ cant hit us again because we have an Army in Iraq has got to be dumb as a post. Babysitting a civil war is doing nothing to help us fight terrorism.

[tinknocker44]

[QUOTE=tinknocker44;1568467]

Anyone ever notice that tink talks like a retarded Darth Vader?:p

Yes I am a bada$$. So sit down and shutup Princess Leia.LOL

[tinknocker44]

[QUOTE=k_fridge;1568524]

Sometimes he speaks through a fan like the movie Tommy Boy. It helps him sleep at night.

I might not be your father but I am your Daddy!

[k-fridge]

You're so gullible to the Pugly propaganda you dont even believe the people there reporting the facts. As Geer posted,

Military and Intelligence calculations show that Al-Qaeda in Iraq makes up perhaps only 5-8% of the insurgency and that most of AQ in Iraq are Iraqi nationals.

This doesnt fit into your Neocon idiology so you post lies you want to believe.
Anybody who believes that AQ cant hit us again because we have an Army in Iraq has got to be dumb as a post. Babysitting a civil war is doing nothing to help us fight terrorism.
OK Tinky winky, which is it? First you post;


Yes AQ is in Iraq, now that Saddam is gone and we are there. Then you post;


Military and Intelligence calculations show that Al-Qaeda in Iraq makes up perhaps only 5-8% of the insurgency and that most of AQ in Iraq are Iraqi nationals. Kinda contradicting yourself aren't you? Seriously, stop trying to run with the big dawgs here and go copy/paste some DU propaganda so you won't have to try and think for yourself. You see...thinking for yourself requires a brain so you're really not equipped for it.

[James 3528]

Is 5 to 8% suppose to be good? :rolleyes:


Put 5% of piss in a glass of water and drink it Tinkerbell.

[chillbilly]

Is 5 to 8% suppose to be good? :rolleyes:


Put 5% of piss in a glass of water and drink it Tinkerbell.

LOL

It's a bogus number and percentage presented by geer and parroted by the midget.


Military and Intelligence calculations show that Al-Qaeda in Iraq makes up perhaps only 5-8% of the insurgency and that most of AQ in Iraq are Iraqi nationals.
Notice that there wasn't a link provided to support the number?

[James 3528]

The horses mouth

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070729/D8QM1Q380.html

[ckone180]

The horses mouth

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070729/D8QM1Q380.html

Damn, you are going to make good friends with tanker44.:D