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The Doctor
07-15-2007, 09:06 AM
Corn on corn.


that's the phrase used to replace what was a standard--corn on beans. The rotation of crops ensured that the soil Nitrogen levels were replenished annually, as much as could be expected, since beans are legumes, and recharge the soil N levels naturally.

Now that ethanol is increasing the demand for corn, fertilizers will be used to make up the difference.

Corn is already one of the worst cash crops for its rate of soil erosion over the growing season. Now we have an energy crisis to satisfy.

What this means is increased runoff of soil, and increased amounts of the fertilizers contaminating the rivers. Iowa was the worst last year for the fertilizers in the U.S. This means that coming soon to a Gulf of Mexico near you, even worse than before...

Just look at what used to be the Chesapeake Bay. It's a wasteland anymore. It's the dirty little secret of large-scale farming, and with energy the hot-button that it is, this issue is not going away any time soon.

So the end result will be an increase in the costs associated with the fish/environmental side of the corn, as well as increased commodity prices there, and no significant decrease in the cost of energy (gasoline)--
the take home message--better get skilled, and more skilled if you want to stay ahead of the cost of inflation, and ethanol is not going to make it better
Have a nice day.

whec720
07-15-2007, 11:03 AM
Just goes to show, no good deed goes unpunished.:(

Tool-Slinger
07-15-2007, 11:32 AM
Short of some major technology breakthrough, I think you are right. In any case corn does not seem to be a real solution.

'''the take home message--better get skilled, and more skilled if you want to stay ahead of the cost of inflation,''''

AND it could easily get disastorously worse[even if only short-term] since the oil markets can be so easily upset by wars and such. Goods advice.

corny
07-15-2007, 03:22 PM
Ive read that you get lower gas milage with ethanol and that increases engine wear.

They did a story a while back here touting a couple of stations who were now selling 10 percent ethanol but Ive read that all gas you buy is at least 10 percent ethanol because they had to quit using some other additive.

Pagan
07-15-2007, 04:05 PM
Ive read that you get lower gas milage with ethanol and that increases engine wear.

They did a story a while back here touting a couple of stations who were now selling 10 percent ethanol but Ive read that all gas you buy is at least 10 percent ethanol because they had to quit using some other additive.


the additive in Question was MTBE.
this was a" Another Great IDEA" of the EPA:rolleyes:
the same idiots that banned Lead shot for use on waterfowl
because of "Possible" contamination.
out here in California there are Several Refineries within 1 mile of a popular
waterfowl refuge the alot of us hunt on, yet somehow my and others lead shot is MORE of a danger to the waterfowl than SEVERAL REFINERIES
on the same water channel feeding this bay of water!:rolleyes: :mad:

For the record, I get why Lead shot is illigal everywhere, just making a point on their idiotic way of thinking!:D

Tool-Slinger
07-15-2007, 06:56 PM
Additional links, ethanol may be causing poor to go hungry:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/7345310a-32fb-11dc-a9e8-0000779fd2ac.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/26/AR2007012601896_pf.html

Govornments can't do anything right.
Leave it to the market.