Michael Moore clobbers CNN

[tinknocker44]

Looks like he was right and you pugs were wrong. (we already knew that though)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvg-U6uKo6g

[EarthLoop]

He looks like RoBo...:D

[James 3528]

Looks like he was right and you pugs were wrong. (we already knew that though)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvg-U6uKo6g

The next time a boat load of Cubans come over on a raft, you and Michael Moore should use it and go in the other direction.

20 % of the patience with cancer that can be cured in the UK die waiting for treatment.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1841275.stm

CNN LOL

Clinton news network gets burned for having a ultra fruitcake liberal on.

[James 3528]

Good job showing a moron like Michael make the case that the press should be used to stop a war.



Liberals......what a mess.

Nice find Tinker showing a fellow socialist show his colors.

[geerair]

20 % of the patience with cancer that can be cured in the UK die waiting for treatment.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1841275.stm20%? Your article makes no mention of that.

[James 3528]

20%? Your article makes no mention of that.

That as if they don't expire waiting?

[James 3528]

LOL Geerbot just watched full of sh!t Michael Moore spew a bunch of crap and he comes here and zero's in on my percentage.

Bahahahahah



Liberals...what a mess. :D :D :D :D :D

[geerair]

That as if they don't expire waiting?So where did you get the the 20% figure? :confused: :confused:

[James 3528]

LOL One thing about Tinker, Geer. When he makes a fool out of himself, you don't mind jumping in with him.

So you and Michael Moore don't get that beacon of Liberalism, The New York Times. I can understand you living in a cow town but Michael should be reading it with all his claims.

There is 3 pages here Geer. Read them and report back with a synopsis if Mr. More was correct. Of course I am sure you can spin it that way ...LOL. You may or may not see the percentage there but don't let that stop you from soaking up the facts. I didn't get the percentage from the Net although it could be there and may be higher from the looks of the article. ;) LOL

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9402E2DF173DF933A05752C0A9619582 60&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=1

[Roscoe]

I think geerbot would like Socialized Medicine because it doesn't work......... just like him.

Geer's Socialized HVAC


geers
Motto

So Your Air Conditioning doesn't WORK Neither do we..........:D

[geerair]

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9402E2DF173DF933A05752C0A9619582 60&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=1Nope, nothing even remotely close to what you claim.

Perhaps you heard it at a John Birch Society meeting?


More likely you just pulled the figure out of your ass.

[geerair]

I think geerbot would like Socialized Medicine because it doesn't work......... just like him. Ain't America great? I just sit out by the pool and the mailman keeps bringing me these large checks from my air conditioning and heating customers. http://abestweb.com/smilies/woohoo.gif








Geer's Socialized HVAC


geers
Motto

So Your Air Conditioning doesn't WORK Neither do we..........:DI like it!!!!!!!!!

Just keep those lovely checks coming!!!!!!

[Roscoe]

So your on welfare?....................:D ...

[geerair]

So your on welfare?....................:D ...Sure.

Come on down, I'll put you on the payroll.

You can clean the pool and fetch me beer. :D

[Roscoe]

Sure.

Come on down, I'll put you on the payroll.

You can clean the pool and fetch me beer. :D





:D

[braces4impact]

One in eight patients wait over a year for treatment...
http://society.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,2098276,00.html


Cancer patients told life-prolonging treatment is too expensive for NHS
http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=231282007

Government decides witch drugs are best for patients..
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukrejects.html


why in the hell do people insist that the government be involved in their health care for crying out loud!?

[James 3528]

Nope, nothing even remotely close to what you claim.

Perhaps you heard it at a John Birch Society meeting?


More likely you just pulled the figure out of your ass.

Bahaha nothing...not a damn word about the subject matter disputing Moore's claim. Typical commie Geer.

Even his Atheist brother (Braces) in arms smokes Moore. This just shows what a leftist butt licker Geer is.


Bahahahahahaha!!!!

[James 3528]

I think geerbot would like Socialized Medicine because it doesn't work......... just like him.

Geer's Socialized HVAC


geers
Motto

So Your Air Conditioning doesn't WORK Neither do we..........:D

LOL HOW TRUE!!

[geerair]

Bahaha nothing...not a damn word about the subject matter disputing Moore's claim. Typical commie Geer.

Even his Atheist brother (Braces) in arms smokes Moore. This just shows what a leftist butt licker Geer is.


Bahahahahahaha!!!!So, you did pull the 20% figure out of your bum.






Braces?

He is a godrotting Atheist Libertarian.

That is damn near as bad as a (gasp) Republican Atheist. :D :D :D

[andserco]

Actually how do yall think socialized medicine will better your life?

[James 3528]

Actually how do yall think socialized medicine will better your life?

Well Geer thinks he may get that brain transplant and sex change he has been wanting.









For free

[geerair]

Well Geer thinks he may get that brain transplant and sex change he has been wanting.









For freeI don't know...............................20% of brain transplant and sex change patients die before they get those operations.




http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/nuke.gif

[braces4impact]

So, you did pull the 20% figure out of your bum.






Braces?

He is a godrotting Atheist Libertarian.

That is damn near as bad as a (gasp) Republican Atheist. :D :D :D


;)

[James 3528]

After some reading. It looks like the doctor I got the 20% from underestimated the deaths in the UK from having to wait for treatment. Everyone should read this and feel fortunate we live here. I know with liberals and arheist, that ain't possible.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/nhs/story/0,,661131,00.html

[geerair]

After some reading. It looks like the doctor I got the 20% from underestimated the deaths in the UK from having to wait for treatment. Everyone should read this and feel fortunate we live here. I know with liberals and arheist, that ain't possible.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/nhs/story/0,,661131,00.htmlSince the article didn't give the number of total cancer patients, how did you arrive at 20%?

[tinknocker44]

Since the article didn't give the number of total cancer patients, how did you arrive at 20%?

I can answer that. He does what pugs do, lie.

[NedFlanders]

Looks like he was right and you pugs were wrong. (we already knew that though)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvg-U6uKo6g
I watch the clip

While I admit I don't agree with most of his philosophies , He wooped some A on Wolfe.

Nice one.

[James 3528]

And Wolfe and CNN is to the left of Jane Fonda.....which means no one really cares

[tinknocker44]

And Wolfe and CNN is to the left of Jane Fonda.....which means no one really cares

Wolf is a cheerleader for shrub and so is the parroting CNN.

[James 3528]

Wolf is a cheerleader for shrub and so is the parroting CNN.Shows how stupid you are. I guess you missed Mrs. Cheny cleaning Wolf and CNN's clock.

[chillbilly]

Shows how stupid you are. I guess you missed Mrs. Cheny cleaning Wolf and CNN's clock.

LOL Wolf Blitzer a Bush cheerleader? Man, tinky really is stupid.

[chillbilly]

And Wolfe and CNN is to the left of Jane Fonda.....which means no one really cares

I agree. I watched the interview. Moore kept babbling on so as not to let Blitzer (who is obviously alot smarter than Moore) get a word in.
Good thing he can edit when his cameras are rolling because if he couldn't, his movies would turn out as badly as his interviews. Ooops, my bad. His movies are as bad as his interviews.

[James 3528]

I agree. I watched the interview. Moore kept babbling on so as not to let Blitzer (who is obviously alot smarter than Moore) get a word in.
Good thing he can edit when his cameras are rolling because if he couldn't, his movies would turn out as badly as his interviews. Ooops, my bad. His movies are as bad as his interviews.


Moore is your typical moron liberal....they go all over the radar screen when they rant. They are like a dog hit by a car..when a dog gets rolled by a car they will bite the first person that touches them

[NedFlanders]

Moore is your typical moron liberal....they go all over the radar screen when they rant. They are like a dog hit by a car..when a dog gets rolled by a car they will bite the first person that touches them

Now that's good;)

[Roscoe]

Now that's good;).

Yep james got'em alright.

quote james: Originally Posted by James 3528 View Post
Moore is your typical moron liberal....they go all over the radar screen when they rant. They are like a dog hit by a car..when a dog gets rolled by a car they will bite the first person that touches them

don't know where he digs things like this up but they're always good.............

but his avatars are the best..........:D

[braces4impact]

I watch the clip

While I admit I don't agree with most of his philosophies , He wooped some A on Wolfe.

Nice one.

I'm sorry but Moores , " I was right about the war therefore I'm right about this" reasoning is a laugh.

[tinknocker44]

I'm sorry but Moores , " I was right about the war therefore I'm right about this" reasoning is a laugh.

Well it does give him alot more credibility than anyone in the Admin or any cheerleader on this board now dont it.

[Pagan]

[quote=tinknocker44;1552024]Well it does give him alot more credibility than anyone in the Admin or any cheerleader on this board now dont it.[/quote

Are you kidding me? this fat p.o.s has no more credibility about the this war than the ****cans outside the Troops hooches on the ground in IRAQ.

I'll take their word about the "Progress" or lack there of either way from them before I'll ever trust the oppinion of A fat, hypocritical, pinko commie slob liberal that would rather see the people of America DIE including you
before one more poor desperate TERRORIST gets underwear put on his head and Laughed at ! because that is somehow more shamefull then our boys in Fallujah who were Compromised, Beaten, dismembered, beheaded set on fire and then drug thru the streets only to be hung publicaly!!!!!!!:rolleyes: :mad: :mad:


I'll add that this same P.O.S would rather you ( the citizen) give up your arms
because" guns kill people" while he may or may not own Arms, he has a PAID bodyguard with a CCW permit! so because he can afford to have Hired Security detail and it's ok that they carry but to those of us that cannot afford this nor would I EVER pay for it, cannot take up arms or defend ourselves in the time of need?!?!?!?!?! :mad: :mad:

IF GUNS KILL PEOPLE, THEN PENCILS CAUSE SPELLING ERRORS!!!!!:mad: :mad:


but it's ok Tinker,
I sleep at night knowing that we were not all meant to survive!
this is a fact! and it's also a fact that when the **** hits the fan, all you IDIOT BLEEDING HEART LIBERALS WHO WILLINGLY GAVE UP YOUR ARMS
and chose to follow the path of other bleeding hearts,
the enemy will eliminate you VICTIMS FIRST!

[tinknocker44]

[quote=tinknocker44;1552024]Well it does give him alot more credibility than anyone in the Admin or any cheerleader on this board now dont it.[/quote

Are you kidding me? this fat p.o.s has no more credibility about the this war than the ****cans outside the Troops hooches on the ground in IRAQ.

I'll take their word about the "Progress" or lack there of either way from them before I'll ever trust the oppinion of A fat, hypocritical, pinko commie slob liberal that would rather see the people of America DIE including you
before one more poor desperate TERRORIST gets underwear put on his head and Laughed at ! because that is somehow more shamefull then our boys in Fallujah who were Compromised, Beaten, dismembered, beheaded set on fire and then drug thru the streets only to be hung publicaly!!!!!!!:rolleyes: :mad: :mad:


I'll add that this same P.O.S would rather you ( the citizen) give up your arms
because" guns kill people" while he may or may not own Arms, he has a PAID bodyguard with a CCW permit! so because he can afford to have Hired Security detail and it's ok that they carry but to those of us that cannot afford this nor would I EVER pay for it, cannot take up arms or defend ourselves in the time of need?!?!?!?!?! :mad: :mad:

IF GUNS KILL PEOPLE, THEN PENCILS CAUSE SPELLING ERRORS!!!!!:mad: :mad:


but it's ok Tinker,
I sleep at night knowing that we were not all meant to survive!
this is a fact! and it's also a fact that when the **** hits the fan, all you IDIOT BLEEDING HEART LIBERALS WHO WILLINGLY GAVE UP YOUR ARMS
and chose to follow the path of other bleeding hearts,
the enemy will eliminate you VICTIMS FIRST!

Nice brainwashing you got Marine. Rifles, Shotguns and Handguns will be here legally forever. Just because someone wants to take Uzis out of a kids hand shouldnt scare you. But thats what Pug politics is all about.

Moore was right and the chimp was wrong(lied). Common sense tells you Moore has more credibility.

Dont confuse bleeding heart with a thought process. Then again you've been told what to think and say for awhile now.

[James 3528]

Nice brainwashing you got Marine. Rifles, Shotguns and Handguns will be here legally forever. Just because someone wants to take Uzis out of a kids hand shouldnt scare you. But thats what Pug politics is all about.

Moore was right and the chimp was wrong(lied). Common sense tells you Moore has more credibility.

Dont confuse bleeding heart with a thought process. Then again you've been told what to think and say for awhile now.

Moore lied about the UK health system along with a lot more lies. He's a fat ass socialist sweat hog that hates America and corporate America while raking in money from dumb morons like you and using another dumb ass liberal ran corporation like CNN to give him free air time while he insults them. CNN got what they deserved. The irony in the hole thing is idiots like you thinking CNN is ran by people of a different thought process than Moore's and yours that welcome an American defeat. It's really too bad that people like you waste good air and aren't sent out to ferret out road side bombs or test experimental drugs so we could save rabbit and dogs. You damn sure are not worth doing anything else.

I can see why you would kiss his fat ass.

[tinknocker44]

Moore lied about the UK health system along with a lot more lies. He's a fat ass socialist sweat hog that hates America and corporate America while raking in money from dumb morons like you and using another dumb ass liberal ran corporation like CNN to give him free air time while he insults them. CNN got what they deserved. The irony in the hole thing is idiots like you thinking CNN is ran by people of a different thought process than Moore's and yours that welcome an American defeat. It's really too bad that people like you waste good air and aren't sent out to ferret out road side bombs or test experimental drugs so we could save rabbit and dogs. You damn sure are not worth doing anything else.

I can see why you would kiss his fat ass.

I've never met someone who can talk so much and still say nothing.

Darn now I'll never get membership in the "Its ok for American troops to die as long as the chimp doesnt look bad" club.

[Pagan]

I've never met someone who can talk so much and still say nothing.

Darn now I'll never get membership in the "Its ok for American troops to die as long as the chimp doesnt look bad" club.


it isnt about "the Chimp" you moron. service men and women have died Long before he was even a twinkle in his Daddy's Eye's!

its about serving and protecting this great nation and all that it stands for nomatter how divided we are about any of those things.
the unfortunete part is that while counless others have spilled blood for me , for you, for EVERY CONSERVATIVE,LIBERAL,ATHEIST,BUDDHIST,HIPPY,
PARENT,NON-PARENT ETC peice's of **** like you will never understand that they including I while serving were not in the Buisness of Practicing democracy, rather we were all doing our part to PROTECT DEMOCRACY so that idiots like you can still have an oppinion and not have your Tongue cut out or your family murdered for being treated as spies for speaking out against your Government. See China, Iran,N. Korea,India,Former U.S.S.R. ETC

and for as much you claim to Read ALOT , you should know that ALL HANDGUNS are illegal to posses in SF,NY CITY and coming soon to more cities near you! here in CA, some rifles including to .50 cal which have never been a contributing factor to ANY MURDERS OR GUN VIOLENCE in CA
are now ILLEGAL including all black powder rifles chambered for this aswell!
so dont think for a second that they will be around forever, they have already started making Knives illegal too.

all of which is in direct Violation of the Second amendment! period!

[James 3528]

I've never met someone who can talk so much and still say nothing.

Really..find the closest mirror. You will also see a wussy there.

[James 3528]

Tinkernut could care less about dead soldiers. As long as he has free health care to compensate for the voices in his head.

[tinknocker44]

it isnt about "the Chimp" you moron. service men and women have died Long before he was even a twinkle in his Daddy's Eye's!

its about serving and protecting this great nation and all that it stands for nomatter how divided we are about any of those things.
the unfortunete part is that while counless others have spilled blood for me , for you, for EVERY CONSERVATIVE,LIBERAL,ATHEIST,BUDDHIST,HIPPY,
PARENT,NON-PARENT ETC peice's of **** like you will never understand that they including I while serving were not in the Buisness of Practicing democracy, rather we were all doing our part to PROTECT DEMOCRACY so that idiots like you can still have an oppinion and not have your Tongue cut out or your family murdered for being treated as spies for speaking out against your Government. See China, Iran,N. Korea,India,Former U.S.S.R. ETC

and for as much you claim to Read ALOT , you should know that ALL HANDGUNS are illegal to posses in SF,NY CITY and coming soon to more cities near you! here in CA, some rifles including to .50 cal which have never been a contributing factor to ANY MURDERS OR GUN VIOLENCE in CA
are now ILLEGAL including all black powder rifles chambered for this aswell!
so dont think for a second that they will be around forever, they have already started making Knives illegal too.

all of which is in direct Violation of the Second amendment! period!

If you're willing to die so I can say what I want then why dont you shut up.

Tell me again what Iraq has to do with Americas survival? No WMDs, no AQ link. Have you been told what to think for so long you dont know how to think for yourself?

[Pagan]

If you're willing to die so I can say what I want then why dont you shut up.

Tell me again what Iraq has to do with Americas survival? No WMDs, no AQ link. Have you been told what to think for so long you dont know how to think for yourself?


I am not at liberty to discuss alot of what idiots like you call "Reasons"
for our involvment over there. but I can say that due to the involvment of
Iran Speacial forces in Iraq confirmed for the past year,
Leaving now, gives them Leverage in a Manor you wouldnt begin to understand due to your never having served in any kind of combat enviroment other than video games.

but more importantly, why would Iran choose to lump special forces units
in with the General insurgency? listen closley: Surveillance. Reconaissance
target Aquisition and Knowledge of our tactics, strategy's etc.

because they have included themselves in this Fight it has given
Iran eye's and Ears into how our military responds to things.
this is no different the the Japanese using Diplomats to conduct
recon on pearl Harbour prior to DEC 7 1941.

as sure as your a bleeding heart liberal, if we pull out of there now, Iran will have a plan for the next attack on our soil again. only this time, it will be as a military action in addition to AL-Queida type operatives conducting the attacks! but in addition to a plan, they WILL SEIZE control over that OIL supply and will have the Finances to cover their endeavors!
and dont think the Chinese and N koreans wouldn't want a slice of the pie either!

[James 3528]

Iraq sheltered terrorist groups just as Iran is doing. Today their Al Qaeda and next week PLO or Hamas . Makes no diffrence. It has little to do with borders and everything to do with region and the jihadist and their objectives . But you can't explain that to idiots like Tinnuts. The terrorist conquest makes no difference and people like him would and do help them with their struggle cause the road to free health care , gay marriage and getting rid of the SUV's matter more.

[Pagan]

well said James, and I agree!

but I'll go one step further to say that in Tinnuts case and the others like him
they were Leaks, and were better off having been Swallowed!:D

[tinknocker44]

"Reasons"
for our involvment over there. but I can say that due to the involvment of
Iran Speacial forces in Iraq confirmed for the past year,
Leaving now, gives them Leverage

Just more proof the incompetent chimp had no idea what he was getting into.

[bb]

it isnt about "the Chimp" you moron. service men and women have died Long before he was even a twinkle in his Daddy's Eye's!

its about serving and protecting this great nation and all that it stands for nomatter how divided we are about any of those things.
the unfortunete part is that while counless others have spilled blood for me , for you, for EVERY CONSERVATIVE,LIBERAL,ATHEIST,BUDDHIST,HIPPY,
PARENT,NON-PARENT ETC peice's of **** like you will never understand that they including I while serving were not in the Buisness of Practicing democracy, rather we were all doing our part to PROTECT DEMOCRACY so that idiots like you can still have an oppinion and not have your Tongue cut out or your family murdered for being treated as spies for speaking out against your Government. See China, Iran,N. Korea,India,Former U.S.S.R. ETC

and for as much you claim to Read ALOT , you should know that ALL HANDGUNS are illegal to posses in SF,NY CITY and coming soon to more cities near you! here in CA, some rifles including to .50 cal which have never been a contributing factor to ANY MURDERS OR GUN VIOLENCE in CA
are now ILLEGAL including all black powder rifles chambered for this aswell!
so dont think for a second that they will be around forever, they have already started making Knives illegal too.

all of which is in direct Violation of the Second amendment! period!

I am not or have never been a Marine, but all I can say is Hooah

[bb]

If 'they' do ever make it over here, the first one's to hang from the gallows will be of the likes of Tinnuts.

[tinknocker44]

If 'they' do ever make it over here, the first one's to hang from the gallows will be of the likes of Tinnuts.

Sheet. I'll be pulling chickenhawks like you out from under your sofa and saving your ugly arse.

[whec720]

Sheet. I'll be pulling chickenhawks like you out from under your sofa and saving your ugly arse.

How are you going to save them, chimp? By throwing your chimp dung? LOL:D You have to put down the Playstation controller first, ya MONKEY. Besides, isn't true that Mom and Dad won't let you out of the house anyway? Go beddybye, Bubbles the Chimp.:p

[Pagan]

Sheet. I'll be pulling chickenhawks like you out from under your sofa and saving your ugly arse.

um... because playing call of duty is going to empower you with the
prowess, tactics and knowhow of saving lives of others from military action?

that in it self is a laugh! but I guarentee the moment the first shot is fired, the first bomb is dropped, the first building crumbles
the moment the you put your hand in the pile of goo you moments ago called your best friends face, you'll be ****ting your pants followed by
running to the next bookstores to eiducate yourself on why " insert Enemy here" is attacking us so you can " undeerrrsttaannnd them" and why they attacked us! meanwhile the rest of us at that moment, those that have
served and those with arms will react with a mindset of buisness
as usual! Selfless duty

[James 3528]

It's a safe bet Tinnuts lives with his mom.

[geerair]

the moment the you put your hand in the pile of goo you moments ago called your best friends face, When you cop a line from Patton at least give him a credit.

[Pagan]

Touche. Patton was a Brilliant Leader and Speaker no doubt about that. but at the time of my rant:D the last thing i was thinking was giving accolades to great speakers! It's not as if you kive kudo's to every person you have quoted in your posts either!;)

[kontrolphreak]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22079050-28737,00.html

Michael Moore has become rich from making satirical documentaries. But Debbie Melnyk finds he's not enamoured of the cameras being turned on him. July 16, 2007

We were almost finished editing Citizen Black, our documentary on press baron and former Fairfax owner Conrad Black, convicted at the weekend of business fraud, when my husband and directing partner, Rick Caine, asked me: "What should we do next?"
Michael Moore

Having just made a film about a conservative, we wanted to rinse our palate and take a look at someone who shared our leftist ideals. Then it hit us: what about Michael Moore? We like his films, we like what he stands for and we loved his Oscar speech. He has long had a soft spot for us Canadians: as fellow lefties, we were almost certain he'd participate in this film.

For better or worse, Moore has become the unofficial spokesman of the Left. Raised in the city of Flint in Michigan, the son of car industry workers, he has crafted a remarkable career by challenging and exposing the ugly side - the hypocrisies - of American society and political life through a series of satirical documentaries.

He started in 1989 with Roger & Me, which examined the massive layoffs in, and destruction of, his home town by what was then the world's largest corporation; followed it with the Oscar-winning Bowling for Columbine, a scathing indictment of the US's gun-crazy culture; and in 2004 in Fahrenheit 9/11 he attacked George W. Bush's administration for its war on terror.

In the beginning, we thought we'd make a straightforward biography looking at Moore's life. But somewhere along the way things changed. Our film gradually became an examination of his filmmaking methods and the serious political debates they provoked. As firm believers in Moore's political agenda, our decision to refocus the film wasn't an easy one. But as we kept having to remind ourselves, you can still be an old leftie without buying everything Moore says wholesale.

May 2004: Moore's film Fahrenheit 9/11 was about to premiere in Cannes. It would be the perfect time to start talking to him. We told an editor who was working on the Black film that we'd be back in four days. We weren't. The film ended up taking more than two years to finish.

We couldn't get an interview in Cannes. Moore's publicist said he was doing "limited" press. But we did make the media conference. Most of the talk surrounded Disney's refusal to distribute Fahrenheit 9/11 in the US, even though they'd given him $US6 million in financing through Miramax. Meanwhile, he couldn't buy the press he was getting in Cannes. Moore won the Palme d'Or and the documentary went on to gross more than $US220 million worldwide.

Back home, this was proving to be our most difficult film. Practically everyone we spoke to was nervous. All too frequently when we tried to interview people - friends, colleagues, former and present employees - they refused to talk on camera but had plenty to say on the phone. A former producer explained: "There's a great story about how he is impossible to work for and he's an impossible person. That's the story most of us would like to do. I just don't want to do it."

Soon enough we realised we were taking on a taboo subject, a sacred cow, especially in the documentary world. You're not supposed to take on "one of our own", we were told.

Once Fahrenheit 9/11 was released, Moore arrived in Toronto to promote the film. I asked him in person for an interview, explaining that we were doing a documentary on him. He seemed flattered but then spoke the words that are the kiss of death for journalists: "These guys (his publicists) know how to reach me." With that, he disappeared.

Next stop: Flint, Michigan, the city Moore made famous in Roger & Me. This entertaining film shows his repeated attempts to interview Roger Smith, General Motors' then chairman, to get him to acknowledge the damage GM was causing in Flint by laying off thousands of workers even as the company posted record profits. The closest Moore gets to challenging Smith on film is a fractious, seconds-long exchange at a GM Christmas party.

We arrived at the multiplex theatre the day Fahrenheit 9/11 opened. Everyone has an opinion about Moore. Some people know him and love him. Others hate him and "what he has done to Flint". I was surprised at the rift. I thought he would be a hero in his home town. Instead, it is a microcosm of how the US feels about him. He's polarising.

Greg Fiedler, organiser of the Flint Film Festival, told us: "(The city) took a big hit for that movie economically. A lot of companies that might have located here said 'we're not going there, they eat rabbit'."

This is a reference to a scene in Roger & Me in which Moore visits an impoverished woman, Rhonda Britton, whose roadside sign reads: "Rabbits for sale, pets or meat". She is seen skinning a rabbit to sell for food, and the scene is meant to be emblematic of the economic problems many Flint residents faced.

[kontrolphreak]

We began following Moore on his Slacker Uprising tour in the northern autumn, hoping to get an interview. This 30-day, 60-city tour through 20 swing states in advance of the US presidential election of November 2004 was Moore's attempt to remove Bush from power.

Our first stop was Syracuse, New York. Outside the arena where Moore was speaking were groups of protesters. One side was anti-Moore, with "Moore lies" and "Moore emboldens our enemy" signs. The other side was carrying placards reading "Troops out of Iraq" and "Bring the troops home alive".

Inside the arena, Moore wound his way to the stage. He was surrounded by men he jokingly referred to as his "fitness instructors". The sellout crowd of 10,000 hung on his every word.

He ranted to the students about Bush. "Shouldn't we be able to believe the President of the US? Is that too much to ask for; that what comes out of his mouth is the truth? Of course, some people would say Clinton lied, right? Exactly ... about a blow job." By the end of the night, he was urging every student to vote and dethrone Bush.

During the tour I wrote to Moore's lawyer, Andrew Hurwitz, asking for an interview. Nothing. At some point during our filming of Moore's appearances things became more difficult. In Detroit, a security team unplugged our sound equipment to keep us from recording his speech.

Moore has repeatedly encouraged people to "tape anything you'd like", saying "I don't agree with the copyright law". With this in mind, Rick approached the guards for an explanation of why we were unplugged while other camera crews were not. Initially the bodyguard spoke into the microphone in his sleeve, attempting to get a serious answer, but inevitably dismissed us with a non-explanation: "I don't know the answer to that. The only thing I have the answer to is me saying no. I'm also being told if you continue to bother and harass us about it, you're gonna be asked to leave." Fortunately the guard didn't see the other, smaller camera I used to tape this exchange.

We started to discover things about his films that we never knew, the most startling being that Moore had got rather more access to Roger Smith than he let on in Roger & Me.

We spoke to Jim Musselman, a former activist for Ralph Nader who was organising the community of Flint to fight back against General Motors and claims that Moore did question Smith for 15 minutes during a General Motors expo at the Waldorf-Astoria in New York. "He sat there and answered questions for about 10 or 15 minutes," says Musselman, who told us that he had watched the footage himself, in the edit suite. "It was great footage because it was Smith answering questions one-on-one from Michael."

Then I found an article from a 1990 issue of Premiere magazine in which several people, including Nader, asserted that Moore had also filmed an exchange with Smith at a 1987 General Motors shareholders meeting; that was reportedly left out of the film, too. The magazine published a transcript of the exchange, which was mostly about taxes.

Indeed, Moore told Premiere he was at the meeting representing a tax-abatement group, not as a filmmaker. "Nowhere in the transcript does it say anything about me asking him to come to Flint," he said. "That's the narrative thread of the movie." This last point is open to debate: one original poster for the film depicts Moore pointing a microphone at an empty chair.

Though we didn't want our documentary to concentrate solely on debunking Moore's work, we did find other incidents that deserved a second look. In Bowling for Columbine, for example, Moore comes out of a bank carrying a gun he has been given after opening a bank account. This suggested you could open an account and the bank would give you one of the guns it had in its vault. Just like that. But in our film, Jan Jacobson, the bank employee who had helped Moore open the account, maintains she told his crew that the bank would have to do a background check and he'd have to pick up the gun from a licensed firearms dealer another day.

Jacobson told us that Moore's crew insisted the gun be in the bank for him to take away the same day. Moore was told the guns were in a vault 500km away, but in the film he omits to mention this point. Yet the result is a memorable scene that shows Moore walking out of the bank holding up a gun after opening an account.

In Fahrenheit 9/11, Moore uses the following snippet from a speech to show Bush as the moneyed, arrogant man I'd assumed him to be: "This is an impressive crowd, the haves and the have-mores. Some people call you the elite, I call you my base."

I thought Moore had nailed Bush when I saw that. But Moore fails to mention that Bush is speaking at the Al Smith Memorial Foundation dinner, a Catholic fundraiser at which politicians are expected to make fun of themselves. The quote is taken out of context: at the same dinner, Al Gore jokes about having invented the internet. When seen in its original light, the President comes off as a guy who is capable of self-mockery: surely that's surprising enough in itself. As for Bowling for Columbine's claim that people in Toronto leave their doors open at night, well, I don't and I don't know anyone who does.

We first screened our documentary at the South By Southwest film festival in Austin, Texas. The crowd was made up of the same people who were probably cheering Fahrenheit 9/11 a few years ago. Having included some criticism of Moore in our film, we weren't sure what the response would be. It was provocative. On one hand, we had Moore supporters telling us we shouldn't be attacking a man who does so much good. On the other we had leftist activists applauding us for questioning him. Moore has been given every opportunity to respond to the questions raised by our film. Thus far he has refused to comment.

At a recent event in New York, Moore was asked about our film, which we'd decided to call Manufacturing Dissent.

"The Noam Chomsky film?" he replied, coyly referring to the Chomsky documentary Manufacturing Consent. The journalist who had asked the question persisted: "No. Manufacturing Dissent, the film about you and your filmmaking methods." But Moore claimed he knew nothing about it.

The Sunday Telegraph, London
Manufacturing Dissent will screen on SBS later this year.

[Pagan]

Michael moore is a leak. He would have been better off Swallowed.:D
Same thing applies for Tinkerbell and geer

[James 3528]

Like I said. He is a fat ass white version of Sharpton and Jackson which the democrats has absolutely no problem with or defending.

[tonys]

Like I said. He is a fat ass white version of Sharpton and Jackson which the democrats has absolutely no problem with or defending.

It seems to me (and many others, I'm sure) that you've had quite the 'bad run' the past few years on this Web Board.

maybe you should act your age (i.e. FOUR), and take a little time-out - for a while.

collect your simpleton thoughts, and start-over.
this ANYTHING RIGHT-WING GOOOOOOES, is getting a little old.

[James 3528]

It seems to me (and many others, I'm sure) that you've had quite the 'bad run' the past few years on this Web Board.

maybe you should act your age (i.e. FOUR), and take a little time-out - for a while.

collect your simpleton thoughts, and start-over.
this ANYTHING RIGHT-WING GOOOOOOES, is getting a little old.

You mean since you got here, Junior?

You have a great big impression of yourself. You show up here like a case of VD and 1/2 the time it has nothing to do with the subject. Just like this post above. I bet the truth is, you're a modest little guy with a lot to be modest about.


It seems to you...bahahaha


:D :D :D

[absolute air]

Just more proof the incompetent chimp had no idea what he was getting into.

You are so blinded by your hatred of Bush that you fail to see the whole picture. Unfortunately you and others like you will never se past the blindfold until everything you know is dead and gone.

[tinknocker44]

You are so blinded by your hatred of Bush that you fail to see the whole picture. Unfortunately you and others like you will never se past the blindfold until everything you know is dead and gone.

The chimp is playing to your gullibilities. All the original reasons for invading proved to be false so the chimp invented a "big picture". Pugs like you deserve to live in fear.

I've got some great Iowa ocean front property to sell if you're interested. Good price too.

[James 3528]

The chimp is playing to your gullibilities. All the original reasons for invading proved to be false so the chimp invented a "big picture". Pugs like you deserve to live in fear.

I've got some great Iowa ocean front property to sell if you're interested. Good price too.

THE PRESIDENT EXPLAINED IT RIGHT HERE IN A SPEECH AT THE PENTAGON .


Those who have questioned the United States in this moment, I would argue, are living only in the moment. They have neither remembered the past nor imagined the future.

So first, let's just take a step back and consider why meeting the threat posed by Saddam Hussein is important to our security in the new era we are entering.

But for all our promise, all our opportunity, people in this room know very well that this is not a time free from peril, especially as a result of reckless acts of outlaw nations and an unholy axis of terrorists, drug traffickers and organized international criminals.

We have to defend our future from these predators of the 21st century. They feed on the free flow of information and technology. They actually take advantage of the freer movement of people, information and ideas.

And they will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen.



There is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein's Iraq. His regime threatens the safety of his people, the stability of his region and the security of all the rest of us.



I want the American people to understand first the past how did this crisis come about?

And I want them to understand what we must do to protect the national interest, and indeed the interest of all freedom-loving people in the world.



Remember, as a condition of the cease-fire after the Gulf War, the United Nations demanded not the United States the United Nations demanded, and Saddam Hussein agreed to declare within 15 days this is way back in 1991 within 15 days his nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them, to make a total declaration. That's what he promised to do.



The United Nations set up a special commission of highly trained international experts called UNSCOM, to make sure that Iraq made good on that commitment. We had every good reason to insist that Iraq disarm. Saddam had built up a terrible arsenal, and he had used it not once, but many times, in a decade-long war with Iran, he used chemical weapons, against combatants, against civilians, against a foreign adversary, and even against his own people.

And during the Gulf War, Saddam launched Scuds against Saudi Arabia, Israel and Bahrain.

Now, instead of playing by the very rules he agreed to at the end of the Gulf War, Saddam has spent the better part of the past decade trying to cheat on this solemn commitment. Consider just some of the facts:

Iraq repeatedly made false declarations about the weapons that it had left in its possession after the Gulf War. When UNSCOM would then uncover evidence that gave lie to those declarations, Iraq would simply amend the reports.

For example, Iraq revised its nuclear declarations four times within just 14 months and it has submitted six different biological warfare declarations, each of which has been rejected by UNSCOM.

In 1995, Hussein Kamal, Saddam's son-in-law, and the chief organizer of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program, defected to Jordan. He revealed that Iraq was continuing to conceal weapons and missiles and the capacity to build many more.

Then and only then did Iraq admit to developing numbers of weapons in significant quantities and weapon stocks. Previously, it had vehemently denied the very thing it just simply admitted once Saddam Hussein's son-in-law defected to Jordan and told the truth. Now listen to this, what did it admit?

It admitted, among other things, an offensive biological warfare capability notably 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs.

[wallynut]

I've got some great Iowa ocean front property to sell if you're interested. Good price too.

You LIBERALS think alike

COAST GUARD CENTRALIZING REGISTRY IN WEST VIRGINIA SEN. ROBERT BYRD LURES MAJOR OPERATIONS FROM 14 OF THE NATION'S LARGEST PORTS TO TOWN 200 MILES FROM CLOSEST OCEAN.
A major arm of the Coast Guard is leaving 12 coastal states and heading for an inland office in Martinsburg, W. Va., where it will keep track of the nation's fleet of 200,000 documented ships and boats.

Moving the work to a mountain town, 200 miles from the closest ocean, has drawn objections from Seattle to Long Beach and from New Orleans to Norfolk. The focus of the criticism is a man who makes no secret of his efforts to direct federal funds to his home state - U.S. Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va.

Documenting a vessel has been compared to closing on the purchase or sale of a home. As with homes, title searches are involved, along with lawyers, bankers and ship or yacht dealers.

Boat owners must renew their documentation annually.

At one time, each boat required 17 pages of documentation. That was reduced to seven in 1983 and to two today.

Trish Williams, president of Marine Documentation Services, a private firm in Hampton, is concerned that the move will slow processing of documentations to a crawl. She handles between 700 and 800 vessel documentations a year.

``I recall the last time they consolidated in 1983 and it resulted in a year and a half backlog in places like Miami and Boston,'' she said.

The move, expected in July, will end 28 years of Coast Guard documentation work in 14 of the nation's largest ports.

The consolidation will cost $3.1 million and save an estimated $1.6 million a year, in part by eliminating 22 jobs nationwide, Coast Guard officials said.

``We'll pay for the cost of the move in under 2 1/2 years,'' said Thomas Willis of Reston, chief of vessel documentation and tonnage for the Coast Guard. ``I think we are going to give better service in the future.''

The new office, with 104 personnel, will be highly automated, saving paperwork and time, Willis said.

Maritime interests are skeptical.

When the move was announced last fall, industry leaders in Seattle objected to closing their regional office, saying the move would create a particular hardship for the Pacific Northwest and Alaska.

There were complaints in New Orleans about delays in handling documents used for vessel sales and loan closings.

From coast to coast, cries of ``pork barrel politics'' have been raised about Martinsburg as the Coast Guard's port of choice.

Byrd, chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee until the GOP took control of Congress this year, has steered $1.5 billion in federal money to his home state in the last five years

[tinknocker44]

THE PRESIDENT EXPLAINED IT RIGHT HERE IN A SPEECH AT THE PENTAGON .


Those who have questioned the United States in this moment, I would argue, are living only in the moment. They have neither remembered the past nor imagined the future.

So first, let's just take a step back and consider why meeting the threat posed by Saddam Hussein is important to our security in the new era we are entering.

But for all our promise, all our opportunity, people in this room know very well that this is not a time free from peril, especially as a result of reckless acts of outlaw nations and an unholy axis of terrorists, drug traffickers and organized international criminals.

We have to defend our future from these predators of the 21st century. They feed on the free flow of information and technology. They actually take advantage of the freer movement of people, information and ideas.

And they will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen.



There is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein's Iraq. His regime threatens the safety of his people, the stability of his region and the security of all the rest of us.



I want the American people to understand first the past how did this crisis come about?

And I want them to understand what we must do to protect the national interest, and indeed the interest of all freedom-loving people in the world.



Remember, as a condition of the cease-fire after the Gulf War, the United Nations demanded not the United States the United Nations demanded, and Saddam Hussein agreed to declare within 15 days this is way back in 1991 within 15 days his nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them, to make a total declaration. That's what he promised to do.



The United Nations set up a special commission of highly trained international experts called UNSCOM, to make sure that Iraq made good on that commitment. We had every good reason to insist that Iraq disarm. Saddam had built up a terrible arsenal, and he had used it not once, but many times, in a decade-long war with Iran, he used chemical weapons, against combatants, against civilians, against a foreign adversary, and even against his own people.

And during the Gulf War, Saddam launched Scuds against Saudi Arabia, Israel and Bahrain.

Now, instead of playing by the very rules he agreed to at the end of the Gulf War, Saddam has spent the better part of the past decade trying to cheat on this solemn commitment. Consider just some of the facts:

Iraq repeatedly made false declarations about the weapons that it had left in its possession after the Gulf War. When UNSCOM would then uncover evidence that gave lie to those declarations, Iraq would simply amend the reports.

For example, Iraq revised its nuclear declarations four times within just 14 months and it has submitted six different biological warfare declarations, each of which has been rejected by UNSCOM.

In 1995, Hussein Kamal, Saddam's son-in-law, and the chief organizer of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program, defected to Jordan. He revealed that Iraq was continuing to conceal weapons and missiles and the capacity to build many more.

Then and only then did Iraq admit to developing numbers of weapons in significant quantities and weapon stocks. Previously, it had vehemently denied the very thing it just simply admitted once Saddam Hussein's son-in-law defected to Jordan and told the truth. Now listen to this, what did it admit?

It admitted, among other things, an offensive biological warfare capability notably 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs.


Coming from the chimp it must be true.:rolleyes: More blah blah blah

[James 3528]

Coming from the chimp it must be true.:rolleyes: More blah blah blah

Those were President Bill Clinton's words.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/17/transcripts/clinton.iraq/

You just got nuked, Tinker.

http://blog.neovov.com/images/2006-09/nuke.jpg

[mark42202]

LMFAO!!!! Classic.

[tinknocker44]

Those were President Bill Clinton's words.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/17/transcripts/clinton.iraq/

You just got nuked, Tinker.




http://blog.neovov.com/images/2006-09/nuke.jpg

Clinton was smart enough not to go in. The chimp wasnt. So now its one lie after another. As usual your blame game implodes.

[James 3528]

As usual, you got busted. But thanks for quoting your spoon feeding

[tinknocker44]

As usual, you got busted. But thanks for quoting your spoon feeding

And yet American troops continue to die for the chimps lies. And you're proud of it. Good for you.

[James 3528]

And yet American troops continue to die for the chimps lies. And you're proud of it. Good for you.

You forgot

War for oil.

Bush is saving Osama for the next election.


Bush eats babies

[James 3528]

Bush caused the hurricane

[geerair]

And yet American troops continue to die for the chimps lies. And you're proud of it. Good for you.Lies from the Shrub for his optional excursion?

Just because he fabricated a fairy tale from cherry-picked and unreliable sources such as Ahmed Chalabi and his coached defectors, Curveball, the Office of Special Plans and other bogus sources?

Why, just because evey excuse and rationale Shrub gave for his optional excursion were false?

[James 3528]

Lies from the Shrub for his optional excursion?

Just because he fabricated a fairy tale from cherry-picked and unreliable sources such as Ahmed Chalabi and his coached defectors, Curveball, the Office of Special Plans and other bogus sources?

Why, just because evey excuse and rationale Shrub gave for his optional excursion were false?
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by: -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by: -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them." -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

[geerair]

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by: -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by: -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them." -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 http://snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

"Some of the quotes are truncated and context is provided for none of them."



James just gave up. :rolleyes: :eek: :eek:

[mark42202]

http://snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

"Some of the quotes are truncated and context is provided for none of them."



James just gave up. :rolleyes: :eek: :eek:

Did you read anything else on the link you posted, or just the first paragraph? I read where every quote came from and found that the statements they were taken from were just longer elaborations of the stated quotes, except for two. Regardless, all but one quote are not false, were actually stated by the person, and reading the context which they came from reinforces james' argument. Another pitiful failure by lil geer. I see now why you try so hard to make yourself APPEAR intelligent. Inferiority complex must be a b!tch.

[RoBoTeq]

Just saw Michael Moore on The Colbert Report. What a self promoting piece of crap he is. Seems that Michael Moore will say anything that gets him into the spotlight and paid big bucks. He couldn't even play along with Steven Colbert's fake conservative persona.

[chucko615]

He's a useless tub of crap. Flint was glad to see him go.

[James 3528]

Went to eat.

Some and truncated. Bahahaha


And Geer needs further explanation.

[James 3528]

Just saw Michael Moore on The Colbert Report. What a self promoting piece of crap he is. Seems that Michael Moore will say anything that gets him into the spotlight and paid big bucks. He couldn't even play along with Steven Colbert's fake conservative persona.

Tinker and Geer's idea of a soldier hero.

[daytonafan]

There is one thing I do not understand about this disgusting, lying, misinformed, truth bending blob. Why is he such a malcontent? I have no problem with a person having a political agenda. I have no problem with a person voicing his/her opinion in a political forum. Moore always looks and acts as if he is pissed at the world. The same world that has allowed a stupid, hairy humpback whale to earn millions of dollars decieving the public. Am I supposed to believe that Moore gives a damn about cancer patients? Why doesn't he go on a diet and pledge a million dollars for every pound he loses to cancer research?

P.S. I watched my wife's grandfather die in a hospital in Canada. Rude, poorly trained staff, outdated machines and instruments, no A/C, dirty bedsheets, patients lying on cots in the hallway reaching for you and moaning as you walked by. They would not even give the man enough Morphine to ease his last days. Talk about a system in crisis. Hey man, its paid for!!!!! Big Facking Deal. Government sponsored health care.. What a joke... Tinknocker, lets go to Quebec together and I will show you what Government style Hillary care gets you. You have to drive, my truck is in the shop.