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glennac
07-09-2007, 10:01 AM
Clinton freed the dregs of society. Drug dealers, embezzlers of millions of dollars, people who bribed or attempted to bribe judges, prosecutors, etc. to have cases dropped. There is evidence that March Rich paid a bribe through his ex wife in a large campaign contribution to get that embezzler a pardon. Roger Clinton was also a go between in the pardon process for a lot of crooks and he was paid by these crooks to get themselves pardoned. Also all past presidents relied on recommendations from the Justice Department to grant pardons. Clinton bypassed this process in order to fatten his own pockets in the pardon process. He ignored recommendations from his own Justice Department to pardon some deserving individuals and chose to take the lower road of personal interest and bribes. Some folks cry about Bush pardoning an innocent man and Cinton fattens his pockets by letting harding criminals free.

"Early in President Clinton’s first term there were signs that he might depart from the consistent practice of his predecessors of relying on the Attorney General’s advice in clemency matters. For example, the White House undertook to respond itself to inquiries about pardon matters, and many of its written responses included a phrase suggesting that the President considered the Justice Department only one of many potential sources of advice. Also, in contrast to past administrations, the Clinton White House did not act on clemency cases in a regular and timely fashion: no grants at all were issued in four of President Clinton’s first five years in office, and only a relative handful of pardons were granted in later years, usually at Christmas. The total number of cases decided did not keep pace with the unprecedented number of new applications each year, so that the case backlog reported by the Pardon Attorney grew steadily larger. When President Clinton departed Washington on January 20, he left behind him well over 3000 pending clemency cases, all of which are now of course the responsibility of the Bush Administration....
Several months before the end of President Clinton’s second term, reports began to circulate that there would be a large number of grants at the end of his term. This by itself would be unusual, for pardoning had in the past taken place regularly and consistently throughout the President’s term and was not reserved until its end. Even more unusual, some pardon applicants and their lawyers were reportedly given to understand, by Justice Department officials and others, that the White House might be receptive to applications filed there directly, given the short time period remaining before the end of the administration. It was said that President Clinton did not want to leave office having pardoned less generously than any President in history, and only three weeks before leaving office he himself remarked publicly on his frustration with the existing system of Justice Department review.
While one might expect some slippage in the ordinary pardon process at the end of an administration, it was clear to anyone familiar with that process that something unprecedented was about to take place."
SOURCE: Statement of Margaret Colgate Love (http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/love1.htm) [Pardon Attorney, 1990-97], Hearing on Presidential Pardons, Senate Judiciary Committee, February 14, 2001

geerair
07-09-2007, 10:26 AM
The case for the pardons (Marc Rich) was reviewed and advocated not only by my former Whitehouse counsel Jack Quinn but also by three distinguished REPUBLICAN attorneys: Leonard Garmet, a former Nixon Whitehouse official, William bradford Reynolds, a former high-ranking official in the Reagan Justice Department and Lewis (Scooter) Libby, now Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff.

Incalcuably priceless irony.

chillbilly
07-09-2007, 10:45 AM
The case for the pardons (Marc Rich) was reviewed and advocated not only by my former Whitehouse counsel Jack Quinn but also by three distinguished REPUBLICAN attorneys: Leonard Garmet, a former Nixon Whitehouse official, William bradford Reynolds, a former high-ranking official in the Reagan Justice Department and Lewis (Scooter) Libby, now Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff.

Incalcuably priceless irony.

There's nothing ironic about it.
President Clinton made the decision to pardon the felon...not the people who reviewed the case.
He owns his irresponsible decision, lock, stock and barrel.
What is ironic and lame is your attempt to shift his executive decision onto other parties.

geerair
07-09-2007, 01:16 PM
Lewis (Scooter) Libby tried to persuade Marc Rich's prosecutors to drop the case against Rich.

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chillbilly
07-10-2007, 04:45 PM
Lewis (Scooter) Libby tried to persuade Marc Rich's prosecutors to drop the case against Rich.

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Maybe you could explain the irony.
He represented Rich. He was doing his job.
The fact that he (Libby) couldn't persuade prosecutors to drop the case against Rich and Rich was subsequently convicted, means that prosecutors had a very solid case against him, hence the reason he was convicted. Duh.
Clinton bailed him out quid pro quo and even Rich's wife admits that.

geerair
07-10-2007, 05:02 PM
Libby stated that the prosecutors of Marc Rich "misconstrued the facts and the law" when they went after Rich on tax evasion charges.

Old Scooter seems vey fond of that line of defense........... he tried it at his own trial.

Didn't work out too well for him.


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chillbilly
07-10-2007, 05:08 PM
Libby stated that the prosecutors of Marc Rich "misconstrued the facts and the law" when they went after Rich on tax evasion charges.

Old Scooter seems vey fond of that line of defense........... he tried it at his own trial.

Didn't work out too well for him.


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It worked out fairly well although he did have to stroke a cashiers check for a quarter of a million dollars.

Rich fared much better.
He was given a full pardon from Clinton as quid-pro-quo for past contributions to the slickillary machine. :D :D

geerair
07-10-2007, 05:32 PM
When Shrub comes to the end of his disastrous term, the expectation is that he will go ahead and grant Libby a pardon for his heinous crimes.

Possibly Marc Rich will return the favor and advocate the pardon for Libby?

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glennac
07-10-2007, 07:38 PM
When Shrub comes to the end of his disastrous term, the expectation is that he will go ahead and grant Libby a pardon for his heinous crimes. Possibly March Rich will return the favor and advocate the pardon for Libby?

Your sick geer. What are you talking about? Forgeting that he told someone about a non covert employee of the CIA is not a crime much less a heinous crime. If you are concerned about henious crimes look at the folks Clinton pardoned. There is no doupt or issue with the majority of them being henious or gulity and most were not recommended by the Justice Dept. as done in the past. Clinton did it for the money.

geerair
07-10-2007, 09:52 PM
Your sick geer.One of my proudest achievements.



What are you talking about? Forgeting that he told someone about a non covert employee of the CIA is not a crime much less a heinous crime.Probably not, but obstructing justice, perjury and making false statements about the outing of a Covert CIA employee certaining are.

Doing so during a time of war makes it heinous.




If you are concerned about henious crimes look at the folks Clinton pardoned. There is no doupt or issue with the majority of them being henious or gulity and most were not recommended by the Justice Dept. as done in the past. Clinton did it for the money.You want to whine about pardons better go look at Republican Gerald Ford. Ford not only pardoned Nixon but he granted just a few less pardons than Clinton even though Ford served barely two years in office compared to Clinton's eight years in office.