I've got a question for the chimp.

[tinknocker44]

Mr. President, you have stated that your commutation of Scooter Libby's sentence stems from your belief that the sentence was "too severe". Sir, as Governor of Texas you were the final arbiter of whether or not 152 individuals would be put to death. In every instance you allowed the execution to proceed. Can you explain why you never found a single instance in which death might be found to represent an undue hardship, while finding 30 months in a Federal minimum-security prison for a member of your administration to be "too severe"?

[makinmoney]

Deer tinknocker44,

you questchon is hard. be ashured that i have a strategry.

yous truli,
pezidant bush.

[tinknocker44]

The New York Times.


Presidents have the power to grant clemency and pardons. But in this case, Mr. Bush did not sound like a leader making tough decisions about justice. He sounded like a man worried about what a former loyalist might say when actually staring into a prison cell.


The Washington Post


We agree that a pardon would have been inappropriate and that the prison sentence of 30 months was excessive. But reducing the sentence to no prison time at all, as Mr. Bush did — to probation and a large fine — is not defensible.


Chicago Tribune:


But in nixing the prison term, Bush sent a terrible message to citizens and to government officials who are expected to serve the public with integrity. The way for a president to discourage the breaking of federal laws is by letting fairly rendered consequences play out, however uncomfortably for everyone involved.


Dallas Morning News:


Nearly a decade ago, a GOP-led House impeached President Bill Clinton for lying under oath and obstructing justice in a civil deposition. Yesterday, a Republican president commuted the sentence of former top White House staffer Lewis “Scooter” Libby, who was convicted of the same thing in a criminal investigation. Republicans are known for being tough on crime. Apparently there’s an exception when the criminal is a member of President Bush’s inner circle.


San Francisco Chronicle:


In commuting the sentence of former White House aide Lewis “Scooter” Libby, President Bush sent the message that perjury and obstruction of justice in the service of the president of the United States are not serious crimes.

[bootlen]

You might as well quote JJ, Jr. as those 5 bastions of liberalism.

[tinknocker44]

You might as well quote JJ, Jr. as those 5 bastions of liberalism.

Impressive retort. :rolleyes:

[wallynut]

Mr. President, you have stated that your commutation of Scooter Libby's sentence stems from your belief that the sentence was "too severe". Sir, as Governor of Texas you were the final arbiter of whether or not 152 individuals would be put to death. In every instance you allowed the execution to proceed. Can you explain why you never found a single instance in which death might be found to represent an undue hardship, while finding 30 months in a Federal minimum-security prison for a member of your administration to be "too severe"?

THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE POOR 152 IDIVIDUALS.


http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4536/deathrowpv2.jpg

Notice man he murdered was a Paraplegic

[bb]

Oh Yeah


Testimony and Statements of President William Clinton Relating to his Impeachment Trial


[excerpts]

A. I have no idea.

A. No, I don't remember that.

A. No, I don't even – I don't know how many days a week she worked and what hours she worked.

A. I don't remember that.

A. I don't. I don't think it was very long, but I don't remember.

A. I understand. No, I don't. I don't know if one occurred. I don't remember one.

A. I don't know the answer to that

A. I have no direct knowledge of that. I don't remember who went for the United States.

A. I don't have any direct knowledge of that. Since, in preparing for this deposition, I have been informed that she was, but I don't believe that I knew about it at the time she went.

A. No. I'm sure there's someone in the White House who put that delegation together who could do so, but I can't. I don't know.

A. I would ask either the, probably my deputy chief of staff, John Podesta, to find out. If it was a foreign trip, perhaps the, Mr. Nash. Katie McGinney, I don't know. But I have no idea how that particular delegation was put together.

A. I am now. When I was told about her, I do not remember appointing her, but that was a direct presidential appointment, so I assume at some point that I actually checked a piece of paper which had her name on it, perhaps some others, but I didn't remember it at the time until I learned it.

A. I don't know.

A. I have no idea.

A. I don't recall, but as I said, when she worked at the legislative affairs office, they always had somebody there on the weekends. I typically worked some on the weekends. Sometimes they'd bring me things on the weekends. She – it seems to me she brought things to me once or twice on the weekends. In that case, whatever time she would be in there, drop it off, exchange a few words and go, she was there. I don't have any specific recollections of what the issues were, what was going on, but when the Congress is there, we're working all the time, and typically I would do some work on one of the days of the weekends in the afternoon.

A. I don't know.

A. No, nothing remarkable. I don't remember it.

A. I don't know what the facts were. I mean I don't know. She's an extraordinary woman.

A. Well, I don't know, because normally I'm not there between midnight and six, so I wouldn't know how many times she's there. Those are questions you'd have to ask her. I just can't say.

A. Not to my knowledge.

A. The answer to that is I don't know.

A. I don't know the answer to that.

A. I'm sorry, I don't remember.

A. No. I don't know if she had been.

A. I don't think so.

A. Nothing that I can remember. Whatever she said, I don't remember.

A. Not to my knowledge.

A. I don't believe so. I'm sorry, I just don't believe so.

A. I don't know that.

A. I don't, I don't remember. But I certainly, I could have.

A. I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. I've never had an affair with her.

A. I don't have any idea.

A. I don't remember.

, but I don't have any specific recollection of that on May the 8th.

Do you recall ever having met her before today?

A. No. I've said that many times. I don't.

A. No, sir, I don't have any memory of it.

, but I don't have any specific recollection of it.

A. I don't remember if I did. First of all, I don't know if I did. If I did, I don't know what it was about. If you're asking me can I think of any reason, there were many issues on which I basically represented the Democrats and sometimes the governor of the whole with the Bush administration. But I, I have no specific recollection. I was one of the senior governors in the country at the time, and I worked with them on a lot of things, and I had people call me all the time, but I don't remember what specific issue was going on then.

A. No, sir, I don't, I don't remember anything about that.

A. I don't recall doing that. It's possible that I did. Sometimes if they were going to be out and around, I'd, might ask them to do something like that, but normally I didn't, but I might have done that.

A. No, sir, I don't, and I don't remember ever giving a gift to anyone other than a member of my family from that store. I knew the woman who owned it, and it's possible that I did, but I don't remember it.

A. I have no specific recollection of doing that. I wouldn't – it's possible that it happened, but I don't remember.

A. I don't remember.

A. That's what it appears to me, I don't remember verbatim what's in my handwritten notes.

A. I don't think I have any other notes. I've tried to find any notes that would be responsive to your request for production. We've given you some other notes that I have. I don't, I don't think I have anymore. And I have no recollection of taking any.

A. I don't remember.

A. I don't believe so. I don't remember doing that.

A. You know, I don't remember going there at night.

Q. Did you ever have sexual relations with Jane Doe 2?

A. No.

Q. At any location?

A. No.

Q. Okay. On the first of these two occasions, what time of day did you meet?

A. I don't remember.

Q. Do you remember if it was dark outside?

A. No.

Q. Where did you meet with her on that occasion?

A. I don't remember.

Q. Do you remember whether anyone else was with you when you met with her?

A. No, but – I don't remember, I don't remember. I, I assume not, but I don't remember really. I don't know.

Q. What were the apartments called where she lived?

A. I don't remember.

Q. When you visited her place, as you put it, were you accompanied by a state trooper?

A. I don't remember. I'm not sure I was.

A. I don't remember doing so, sir.

A. I don't believe I did, no sir.

A. I do not remember doing so.

A. No, I don't recall that.

A. No, I don't remember that

A. I don't believe so.

A. I don't remember doing so. I don't – no. sir, I don't remember. I can't deny that I did, I just – have no memory of that at all.

A. Not that I remember. Did she have other options? I don't remember what she did. I don't remember what the facts were. I have no recollection of it at all.

A. Not that I recall.

A. No, sir. When was this? I don't recall.

A. Perhaps I did. I don't recall.

A. I don't remember.

A. I don't believe I ever did that.

A. I, I don't know.

A. I don't remember. I don't remember how they kept records, who kept them, who, where they were – what the repository was.

A. Phone calls made to the governor's mansion. No, sir, I don't, I don't recall that.

Q. I don't know.



WOW . Some Memory for a genius
Where's the Justice?

[Carnak]

Oh Yeah


Testimony and Statements of President William Clinton Relating to his Impeachment Trial


[excerpts]

A. I have no idea.

A. No, I don't remember that.

A. No, I don't even – I don't know how many days a week she worked and what hours she worked.

A. I don't remember that.

A. I don't. I don't think it was very long, but I don't remember.

A. I understand. No, I don't. I don't know if one occurred. I don't remember one.

A. I don't know the answer to that

A. I have no direct knowledge of that. I don't remember who went for the United States.

A. I don't have any direct knowledge of that. Since, in preparing for this deposition, I have been informed that she was, but I don't believe that I knew about it at the time she went.

A. No. I'm sure there's someone in the White House who put that delegation together who could do so, but I can't. I don't know.

A. I would ask either the, probably my deputy chief of staff, John Podesta, to find out. If it was a foreign trip, perhaps the, Mr. Nash. Katie McGinney, I don't know. But I have no idea how that particular delegation was put together.

A. I am now. When I was told about her, I do not remember appointing her, but that was a direct presidential appointment, so I assume at some point that I actually checked a piece of paper which had her name on it, perhaps some others, but I didn't remember it at the time until I learned it.

A. I don't know.

A. I have no idea.

A. I don't recall, but as I said, when she worked at the legislative affairs office, they always had somebody there on the weekends. I typically worked some on the weekends. Sometimes they'd bring me things on the weekends. She – it seems to me she brought things to me once or twice on the weekends. In that case, whatever time she would be in there, drop it off, exchange a few words and go, she was there. I don't have any specific recollections of what the issues were, what was going on, but when the Congress is there, we're working all the time, and typically I would do some work on one of the days of the weekends in the afternoon.

A. I don't know.

A. No, nothing remarkable. I don't remember it.

A. I don't know what the facts were. I mean I don't know. She's an extraordinary woman.

A. Well, I don't know, because normally I'm not there between midnight and six, so I wouldn't know how many times she's there. Those are questions you'd have to ask her. I just can't say.

A. Not to my knowledge.

A. The answer to that is I don't know.

A. I don't know the answer to that.

A. I'm sorry, I don't remember.

A. No. I don't know if she had been.

A. I don't think so.

A. Nothing that I can remember. Whatever she said, I don't remember.

A. Not to my knowledge.

A. I don't believe so. I'm sorry, I just don't believe so.

A. I don't know that.

A. I don't, I don't remember. But I certainly, I could have.

A. I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. I've never had an affair with her.

A. I don't have any idea.

A. I don't remember.

, but I don't have any specific recollection of that on May the 8th.

Do you recall ever having met her before today?

A. No. I've said that many times. I don't.

A. No, sir, I don't have any memory of it.

, but I don't have any specific recollection of it.

A. I don't remember if I did. First of all, I don't know if I did. If I did, I don't know what it was about. If you're asking me can I think of any reason, there were many issues on which I basically represented the Democrats and sometimes the governor of the whole with the Bush administration. But I, I have no specific recollection. I was one of the senior governors in the country at the time, and I worked with them on a lot of things, and I had people call me all the time, but I don't remember what specific issue was going on then.

A. No, sir, I don't, I don't remember anything about that.

A. I don't recall doing that. It's possible that I did. Sometimes if they were going to be out and around, I'd, might ask them to do something like that, but normally I didn't, but I might have done that.

A. No, sir, I don't, and I don't remember ever giving a gift to anyone other than a member of my family from that store. I knew the woman who owned it, and it's possible that I did, but I don't remember it.

A. I have no specific recollection of doing that. I wouldn't – it's possible that it happened, but I don't remember.

A. I don't remember.

A. That's what it appears to me, I don't remember verbatim what's in my handwritten notes.

A. I don't think I have any other notes. I've tried to find any notes that would be responsive to your request for production. We've given you some other notes that I have. I don't, I don't think I have anymore. And I have no recollection of taking any.

A. I don't remember.

A. I don't believe so. I don't remember doing that.

A. You know, I don't remember going there at night.

Q. Did you ever have sexual relations with Jane Doe 2?

A. No.

Q. At any location?

A. No.

Q. Okay. On the first of these two occasions, what time of day did you meet?

A. I don't remember.

Q. Do you remember if it was dark outside?

A. No.

Q. Where did you meet with her on that occasion?

A. I don't remember.

Q. Do you remember whether anyone else was with you when you met with her?

A. No, but – I don't remember, I don't remember. I, I assume not, but I don't remember really. I don't know.

Q. What were the apartments called where she lived?

A. I don't remember.

Q. When you visited her place, as you put it, were you accompanied by a state trooper?

A. I don't remember. I'm not sure I was.

A. I don't remember doing so, sir.

A. I don't believe I did, no sir.

A. I do not remember doing so.

A. No, I don't recall that.

A. No, I don't remember that

A. I don't believe so.

A. I don't remember doing so. I don't – no. sir, I don't remember. I can't deny that I did, I just – have no memory of that at all.

A. Not that I remember. Did she have other options? I don't remember what she did. I don't remember what the facts were. I have no recollection of it at all.

A. Not that I recall.

A. No, sir. When was this? I don't recall.

A. Perhaps I did. I don't recall.

A. I don't remember.

A. I don't believe I ever did that.

A. I, I don't know.

A. I don't remember. I don't remember how they kept records, who kept them, who, where they were – what the repository was.

A. Phone calls made to the governor's mansion. No, sir, I don't, I don't recall that.

Q. I don't know.



WOW . Some Memory for a genius
Where's the Justice?


Ronnie coined "I don't recall"

[smokin68]

Oh Yeah


Testimony and Statements of President William Clinton Relating to his Impeachment Trial


[excerpts]

A. I have no idea.

A. No, I don't remember that.

A. No, I don't even – I don't know how many days a week she worked and what hours she worked.

A. I don't remember that.

A. I don't. I don't think it was very long, but I don't remember.

A. I understand. No, I don't. I don't know if one occurred. I don't remember one.

A. I don't know the answer to that

A. I have no direct knowledge of that. I don't remember who went for the United States.

A. I don't have any direct knowledge of that. Since, in preparing for this deposition, I have been informed that she was, but I don't believe that I knew about it at the time she went.

A. No. I'm sure there's someone in the White House who put that delegation together who could do so, but I can't. I don't know.

A. I would ask either the, probably my deputy chief of staff, John Podesta, to find out. If it was a foreign trip, perhaps the, Mr. Nash. Katie McGinney, I don't know. But I have no idea how that particular delegation was put together.

A. I am now. When I was told about her, I do not remember appointing her, but that was a direct presidential appointment, so I assume at some point that I actually checked a piece of paper which had her name on it, perhaps some others, but I didn't remember it at the time until I learned it.

A. I don't know.

A. I have no idea.

A. I don't recall, but as I said, when she worked at the legislative affairs office, they always had somebody there on the weekends. I typically worked some on the weekends. Sometimes they'd bring me things on the weekends. She – it seems to me she brought things to me once or twice on the weekends. In that case, whatever time she would be in there, drop it off, exchange a few words and go, she was there. I don't have any specific recollections of what the issues were, what was going on, but when the Congress is there, we're working all the time, and typically I would do some work on one of the days of the weekends in the afternoon.

A. I don't know.

A. No, nothing remarkable. I don't remember it.

A. I don't know what the facts were. I mean I don't know. She's an extraordinary woman.

A. Well, I don't know, because normally I'm not there between midnight and six, so I wouldn't know how many times she's there. Those are questions you'd have to ask her. I just can't say.

A. Not to my knowledge.

A. The answer to that is I don't know.

A. I don't know the answer to that.

A. I'm sorry, I don't remember.

A. No. I don't know if she had been.

A. I don't think so.

A. Nothing that I can remember. Whatever she said, I don't remember.

A. Not to my knowledge.

A. I don't believe so. I'm sorry, I just don't believe so.

A. I don't know that.

A. I don't, I don't remember. But I certainly, I could have.

A. I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. I've never had an affair with her.

A. I don't have any idea.

A. I don't remember.

, but I don't have any specific recollection of that on May the 8th.

Do you recall ever having met her before today?

A. No. I've said that many times. I don't.

A. No, sir, I don't have any memory of it.

, but I don't have any specific recollection of it.

A. I don't remember if I did. First of all, I don't know if I did. If I did, I don't know what it was about. If you're asking me can I think of any reason, there were many issues on which I basically represented the Democrats and sometimes the governor of the whole with the Bush administration. But I, I have no specific recollection. I was one of the senior governors in the country at the time, and I worked with them on a lot of things, and I had people call me all the time, but I don't remember what specific issue was going on then.

A. No, sir, I don't, I don't remember anything about that.

A. I don't recall doing that. It's possible that I did. Sometimes if they were going to be out and around, I'd, might ask them to do something like that, but normally I didn't, but I might have done that.

A. No, sir, I don't, and I don't remember ever giving a gift to anyone other than a member of my family from that store. I knew the woman who owned it, and it's possible that I did, but I don't remember it.

A. I have no specific recollection of doing that. I wouldn't – it's possible that it happened, but I don't remember.

A. I don't remember.

A. That's what it appears to me, I don't remember verbatim what's in my handwritten notes.

A. I don't think I have any other notes. I've tried to find any notes that would be responsive to your request for production. We've given you some other notes that I have. I don't, I don't think I have anymore. And I have no recollection of taking any.

A. I don't remember.

A. I don't believe so. I don't remember doing that.

A. You know, I don't remember going there at night.

Q. Did you ever have sexual relations with Jane Doe 2?

A. No.

Q. At any location?

A. No.

Q. Okay. On the first of these two occasions, what time of day did you meet?

A. I don't remember.

Q. Do you remember if it was dark outside?

A. No.

Q. Where did you meet with her on that occasion?

A. I don't remember.

Q. Do you remember whether anyone else was with you when you met with her?

A. No, but – I don't remember, I don't remember. I, I assume not, but I don't remember really. I don't know.

Q. What were the apartments called where she lived?

A. I don't remember.

Q. When you visited her place, as you put it, were you accompanied by a state trooper?

A. I don't remember. I'm not sure I was.

A. I don't remember doing so, sir.

A. I don't believe I did, no sir.

A. I do not remember doing so.

A. No, I don't recall that.

A. No, I don't remember that

A. I don't believe so.

A. I don't remember doing so. I don't – no. sir, I don't remember. I can't deny that I did, I just – have no memory of that at all.

A. Not that I remember. Did she have other options? I don't remember what she did. I don't remember what the facts were. I have no recollection of it at all.

A. Not that I recall.

A. No, sir. When was this? I don't recall.

A. Perhaps I did. I don't recall.

A. I don't remember.

A. I don't believe I ever did that.

A. I, I don't know.

A. I don't remember. I don't remember how they kept records, who kept them, who, where they were – what the repository was.

A. Phone calls made to the governor's mansion. No, sir, I don't, I don't recall that.

Q. I don't know.



WOW . Some Memory for a genius
Where's the Justice?


Obviously genious. It worked,he wasn't convicted,right or wrong. Perjury should be taken off the books IMO. Bush should take notes on plans that work.

[James 3528]

Mr. President, you have stated that your commutation of Scooter Libby's sentence stems from your belief that the sentence was "too severe". Sir, as Governor of Texas you were the final arbiter of whether or not 152 individuals would be put to death. In every instance you allowed the execution to proceed. Can you explain why you never found a single instance in which death might be found to represent an undue hardship, while finding 30 months in a Federal minimum-security prison for a member of your administration to be "too severe"?


Oh, it was your question.



It was even silly and stupid here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1243186

[James 3528]

Ronnie coined "I don't recall"

How do you coin 3 words in which one has one letter ?

[Carnak]

How do you coin 3 words in which one has one letter ?

I can't remember how

[ga-hvac-tech]

Parroting again, as usual...

I have a customer that raises parrots. I asked them one day about a parrot's intelligence... I was told by this expert (breeds, raises, and sells them) that a parrot will never grow beyond a '2 year old' in human terms.

So lessee: If I wanted to be taken seriously, I would sure as h*ll learn to behave at a more mature level than a parrot... :D

But then, if I was too immature to even be concerned how others see me, then I guess it does not matter...

Hint: Folks do NOT listen to the message of folks that do not behave in a mature way... so if someone is on a crusade to speak the 'truth', and they are not credible because of immature behavior, then their crusade is mostly in their mind...

Sad... But then, politicians like folks that are off on clouds... easy to manipulate and control.

The key is to learn to sort out politics for one'self. Then the individual has 'some' credibility...

[chillbilly]

Mr. President, you have stated that your commutation of Scooter Libby's sentence stems from your belief that the sentence was "too severe". Sir, as Governor of Texas you were the final arbiter of whether or not 152 individuals would be put to death. In every instance you allowed the execution to proceed. Can you explain why you never found a single instance in which death might be found to represent an undue hardship, while finding 30 months in a Federal minimum-security prison for a member of your administration to be "too severe"?
If you are insinuating that this question comes from you, you're a liar and a plagiarist.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1243186

It's funny as heck watching you cry about it though. :D :D :D

[Carnak]

I don't think anyone had any business asking Clinton if he cheated on his wife, nothing to do with running a country.

I don't care if he lied about getting a blow job. I don;t care if the 'in the closet repuublicans' lie either.

But you ask a question like" Did you sell weapons to our enemy the Ayahtollah" deserves a little better than "I don't recall"

North a stand up guy to take heat, not so sure about a scooter.

[bb]

Oh, it was your question.



It was even silly and stupid here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1243186

Sorry Tinky. Try Again. LMFAO:D

[Carnak]

If you are insinuating that this question comes from you, you're a liar and a plagiarist.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1243186

It's funny as heck watching you cry about it though. :D :D :D
That is even better the second time around, James beat ya to it Polly.

But I would agree, at least come up with something and talk about it rather than cut and paste all the time like happens in here.

[geerair]

I don't think anyone had any business asking Clinton if he cheated on his wife, nothing to do with running a country.
Well, you know how uptight conservlicans are about sex.

To them, lying about getting a blowjob is infinitely more destructive to America than obstructing the investigation of the outing of a covert CIA employee during a war. :eek:

[bb]

Well, you know how uptight conservlicans are about sex.

To them, lying about getting a blowjob is infinitely more destructive to America than obstructing the investigation of the outing of a covert CIA employee during a war. :eek:


Sorry sonnyboy, it's not the blowjob it's the perjury.

[geerair]

Sorry sonnyboy, it's not the blowjob it's the perjury.Gee, that's why I said LYING ABOUT getting a blowjob

Did you miss that Mr. Magoo? :rolleyes:

[chillbilly]

Yeah, not to mention the fact that the supposed Rhodes Scholar and his fervent apologists continue to condone dishonesty, lack of integrity and moral defeciencies as well. :rolleyes:

[James 3528]

Gee, that's why I said LYING ABOUT getting a blowjob

Did you miss that Mr. Magoo? :rolleyes:

He didn't lie about getting a blow job. He just lied. And more than once

[sline-dawg]

Don't we call that Executive privilege now days.....:) Need to know basis only.....;)

[bb]

Did you miss that Mr. Magoo?

Yeah. That was good.

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/3579/arquivohanniballectercoey9.jpg

[geerair]

He didn't lie about getting a blow job.
He didn't?

Gee, old Kenny Starr will be devastated about that.

That was the only charge he could hang on Clinton after pissing through fifty million dollars trying to come up with something, anything.

Damn, do want to tell him or should I?


Too bad Scooter has already been convicted for lying and obstructing an investigation into the Bush administration's outing of a covert CIA employee during wartime or you could have defended Scooter with brilliant rhetoric such as that.


Maybe you could be the next Kenny Starr. http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/happydance.gif

[Carnak]

too bad you are a 'maverick', lone ranger type geer, otherwise you could have a whole slew of yes men behind you makeing comments about 'smoking' or 'roasting some ass'

[bootlen]

Gee, that's why I said LYING ABOUT getting a blowjob

Did you miss that Mr. Magoo? :rolleyes:

Ya must've missed this part...he lied UNDER OATH.

[James 3528]

He didn't?

Gee, old Kenny Starr will be devastated about that.

That was the only charge he could hang on Clinton after pissing through fifty million dollars trying to come up with something, anything.

Damn, do want to tell him or should I?


Too bad Scooter has already been convicted for lying and obstructing an investigation into the Bush administration's outing of a covert CIA employee during wartime or you could have defended Scooter with brilliant rhetoric such as that.


Maybe you could be the next Kenny Starr. http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/happydance.gif

There was also that great big part you chose to over look where he tried to get other people to lie under oath. They call that "obstruction" and sadly for the liberals that is also a prosecuting offense.

Unless a conservative is charged with it of course.

Starr gave the Clintons a pass on the real estate transactions that Guy Tucker didn't get.


Independent Geer

[James 3528]

You do know what "obstruction" is..right????




Libby was sentenced to jail time and a fine because he was found, beyond a reasonable doubt, to be guilty of obstruction, perjury and lying to the FBI.





It is the norm.

All witnesses have to do is tell the truth.

Something which the jury, beyond a reasonable doubt, found Libby had not done.

http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1540012

[James 3528]

http://dlr.thexhunters.com/area51/nuke_effects-3.jpg

[Carnak]

lie to get out of a witch hunt about a BJ vs lying about something treasonable

[James 3528]

:rolleyes:

[glennac]

lie to get out of a witch hunt about a BJ vs lying about something treasonable

Please explain what did Scooter lie about (if indeed he lied which I believe he did forget not lie) that could be considered treasonable? She was not an undercover agent for the CIA.

[James 3528]

Please explain what did Scooter lie about (if indeed he lied which I believe he did forget not lie) that could be considered treasonable? She was not an undercover agent for the CIA.

Even that is besides the point. Libby was prosecuted because his testimony did not match Tim Russert's.

They know who told the reporter her name. It wasn't Libby.

[Carnak]

Even that is besides the point. Libby was prosecuted because his testimony did not match Tim Russert's.

They know who told the reporter her name. It wasn't Libby.
You figure Libby knew then?

[glennac]

You figure Libby knew then?

Please answer my question. What was treasoniouable?

[Carnak]

Please answer my question. What was treasoniouable?

I was comparing lying or avoiding answering on something that dealt with infidelity in your marriage as opposed to national security.

So leaking who works for the CIA or avoiding ratting out who leaked something that impacted your National Security could be veiwed as a lot more important to a country than whether a chubby chick polished your pepperoni.

You sell a secret to the KGB I guess it is treason, opening your big mouth is just stupidity. Your 'left wing journalists' can do time for not revealing a source, contempt of court.

You guys start looking back and comparing what other Presidents did with the commuting or pardons compared to Bush's recent actions, in particular you chose Clinton and Carter, well keep going back and it gets worse and worse. About the only one who looks good in that light is Bush Sr.

Nixon, Ford look the worse, Regan about same volume as Clinton

[geerair]

too bad you are a 'maverick', lone ranger type geer, otherwise you could have a whole slew of yes men behind you makeing comments about 'smoking' or 'roasting some ass'Occasional comments such as yours are sufficient. :)

[geerair]

There was also that great big part you chose to over look where he tried to get other people to lie under oath. They call that "obstruction" and sadly for the liberals that is also a prosecuting offense.

Unless a conservative is charged with it of course.

Starr gave the Clintons a pass on the real estate transactions that Guy Tucker didn't get.


Independent GeerHmmmmm..................The special prosecutors spent fifty million dollars and years going over every conceiveable facet of this case and came to the conclusion that there was insufficient evidence to bring any criminal charges against the Clintons outside of lying about a blowjob.

Now you have spent fifteen minutes on the Clintonsucks.com website and are convinced that the Clintons led a criminal organization that rivaled the mafia in scope and dastardly deeds even including murder.

You say Starr gave Clinton a pass.

Oh dear Zeus, what a complete rejection of reality. You somehow think that Starr gave Clinton a pass on a far more serious crime and settled for a perjury beef concerning a blowjob.

Obstruction? You really believe that Starr wouldn't have nailed the Clintons with this if he had the evidence?

The man was under enormous pressure to find something, anything he could hang on the Clintons.

In the end, there was insufficient evidence for anything outside of a blowjob.


I realize that you and your kind are so sexually repressed that you consider a blowjob more destructive to the country than obstructing an investigation into the Bush administration's outing of a covert CIA employee during a war but really, this obssession with the Clinton's sex life is becoming destructive to your life and your credibility.

I say this as a longtime internet friend who has only your best interests at heart

[geerair]

You do know what "obstruction" is..right????





http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1540012Did you have a point?

[geerair]

Please explain what did Scooter lie about (if indeed he lied which I believe he did forget not lie) that could be considered treasonable? He obstructed, by lying, an investigation into the outing of a covert CIA employee. If that is not disloyalty to one's nation then nothing is.

Hell, you and your ilk vociferously whine that honest dissent about the optional Iraq war is treason. Using your broad defintion of treason, Libby's actions would be considered a hanging offense.




She was not an undercover agent for the CIA.Plame was a covert CIA employee according to CIA regulations.

In case you missed it, a recently declassified summary of Plame's CIA employment states: "Ms. Wilson was a COVERT CIA EMPLOYEE for who the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States."

[Carnak]

I realize that you and your kind are so sexually repressed that you consider a blowjob more destructive to the country than obstructing an investigation into the Bush administration's outing of a covert CIA employee during a war but really, this obssession with the Clinton's sex life is becoming destructive to your life and your credibility.


Some kid in Georgia was doing 10 years for not refusing a blowjob, maybe it is something in the water down there :) fellatophobia, worse than giardia or e coli in the water

http://www.hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=139718

Looks like they finally let him out

[Carnak]

go ahead and post another mushroom cloud

[Carnak]

maybe phone up a good ole boy or two and see if that kid can get a pardon

[geerair]

Even that is besides the point. Libby was prosecuted because his testimony did not match Tim Russert's. There were two counts of perjury and two counts of giving false statements of which Russert was only one. Libby also lied about leaking to Judith Miller of the NY Times and Matt Cooper of Time Magazine.

Libby lied numerous times to the FBI and to the grand jury.

If he had only lied about Russert then there only would have been just one count.

I doubt if the John Birch Society Newsletter mentioned this which is why you continue to embarrass yourself with your ignorant statements about Libby's case.









They know who told the reporter her name. It wasn't Libby.Oh yes, Libby leaked Plame's name.

[geerair]

Some kid in Georgia was doing 10 years for not refusing a blowjob, maybe it is something in the water down there :) fellatophobia, worse than giardia or e coli in the water

http://www.hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=139718

Looks like they finally let him out:D :D

[chillbilly]

Oh yes, Libby leaked Plame's name.

You're full of crap. He wasn't tried, indicted or convicted for leaking her name.
He was convicted for obstruction only and there was scant evidence that he even did that.
Go back to the kids table. Adults are trying to debate factual evidence and not recriminations.

[bootlen]

You're full of crap. He wasn't tried, indicted or convicted for leaking her name.
He was convicted for obstruction only and there was scant evidence that he even did that.
Go back to the kids table. Adults are trying to debate factual evidence and not recriminations.

Geer missed that about 6 or 8 months ago (or longer) when that was revealed. (Not his fault...facts and truth are never posted over at soros.com so he has no access to them.) That, or he has a memory problem.

[geerair]

Geer missed that about 6 or 8 months ago (or longer) when that was revealed. (Not his fault...facts and truth are never posted over at soros.com so he has no access to them.) That, or he has a memory problem.Ummmmmmm.......if you can find the post where I said Libby was tried for leaking the name then post it.

[chillbilly]

Ummmmmmm.......if you can find the post where I said Libby was tried for leaking the name then post it.

You said he leaked Plame's name didn't you?




originally posted by geerair
Oh yes, Libby leaked Plame's name.

Where do you get that statement from? Crooks and Liars.com?
How about providing some proof to back up your perpetual lying in this forum.
Show us some evidence that would back up your claim that Libby leaked Plame's name.

[lhatton]

A good answer for you Geer would be " I do not recall saying that"

[lhatton]

"I have no idea."

"No, I don't remember saying that."

[dking]

"I have no idea."

"No, I don't remember saying that."
What were we talking about?

[lhatton]

Oh yes, Libby leaked Plame's name.




No, I don't recall that.

A. No, I don't remember that

A. I don't believe so.

A. I don't remember doing so. I don't – no. sir, I don't remember. I can't deny that I did, I just – have no memory of that at all.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[geerair]

No, I don't recall that.

A. No, I don't remember that

A. I don't believe so.

A. I don't remember doing so. I don't – no. sir, I don't remember. I can't deny that I did, I just – have no memory of that at all.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :eek: :eek: :eek:Perhaps this will refresh your memory:

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Jul02/0,4670,CIALeakTimeline,00.html


It's on the Fox News Fair and Balanced website so you can trust it.

[lhatton]

Perhaps this will refresh your memory:

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Jul02/0,4670,CIALeakTimeline,00.html


It's on the Fox News Fair and Balanced website so you can trust it.



Sept. 7: Armitage admits he leaked Plame's identity to Novak and to Bob Woodward of The Washington Post. Armitage says he did not realize Plame's job was covert.


Sounds to me like alot of people were talking about this "covert" CIA agent, some even admitted to leaking Plame's Identity.

[lhatton]

Thanks for that link Geer, good information, "fair and balanced" gotta love Fox news. I must say, that did not strengthen your case much.:cool:

[bootlen]

Thanks for that link Geer, good information, "fair and balanced" gotta love Fox news. I must say, that did not strengthen your case much.:cool:


Ya gotta remember, hat. Geer doesn't take into account the difference between truth and lies. It's all the same ot him.

[geerair]

Sept. 7: Armitage admits he leaked Plame's identity to Novak and to Bob Woodward of The Washington Post. Armitage says he did not realize Plame's job was covert.


Sounds to me like alot of people were talking about this "covert" CIA agent, some even admitted to leaking Plame's Identity.Yes, and all were in the Bush administration.

[geerair]

Thanks for that link Geer, good information, "fair and balanced" gotta love Fox news. I must say, that did not strengthen your case much.:cool:The case was already strong.


The link was confirmation. :cool: