Iranian saber rattling

[coolwhip]

Iran seems to be bound and determined to build their nuclear capabilities. The little dwarf over there keeps spouting off about the elimination of Israel. Lets say we carry out numerous strategic bombings on key sites and cripple the country. What do you think the outcome will be?, what do you think the outcome will be if we wait for them to have nuclear bombs?, Do you think Russia and China will attack us if we do this? Do you think we could take out all the key sites within 24 hours?

[geerair]

Iran seems to be bound and determined to build their nuclear capabilities. The little dwarf over there keeps spouting off about the elimination of Israel. Lets say we carry out numerous strategic bombings on key sites and cripple the country. What do you think the outcome will be?, what do you think the outcome will be if we wait for them to have nuclear bombs?, Do you think Russia and China will attack us if we do this? Do you think we could take out all the key sites within 24 hours?Hey yeah!!!!!!


We can get Condi to crank up her "Mushroom clouds" act. Then we can get out the duct tape and saran wrap and encase ourselves in airtight cocoons.

It worked out so well the last time. :cool: :cool:

[mark42202]

You're right geer. We should send 100,000 bleeding hearts to Iran and hug them into submission. Maybe if we beg and say pretty please, they will just stop being extremists. I think you and tinky should be the first to hit the ground there. You can hug them, beg their forgiveness for being American, and diffuse the whole situation through your tactics of sticking to one or two invalid points, no matter what the logic (or lack thereof). Surely after a short period of time, the Iranian government will decide it is much more attractive to suck-start an AK-47 than to listen to any more of your blathering, and we will be victorious!

Got get 'em, Tiger!

[James 3528]

Yes, another intelligent post from Geer. He's making Tinnuts look smart. But I think it is part of a plan so he will have someone to quote and agree with.

[Tool-Slinger]

Iran seems to be bound and determined to build their nuclear capabilities. The little dwarf over there keeps spouting off about the elimination of Israel. Lets say we carry out numerous strategic bombings on key sites and cripple the country. What do you think the outcome will be?, what do you think the outcome will be if we wait for them to have nuclear bombs?, Do you think Russia and China will attack us if we do this? Do you think we could take out all the key sites within 24 hours?
russia and china will sit this one out.

all of europe, most of the middle-east, wants iran de-fanged.

[d_griff]

You're right geer. We should send 100,000 bleeding hearts to Iran and hug them into submission. Maybe if we beg and say pretty please, they will just stop being extremists. I think you and tinky should be the first to hit the ground there. You can hug them, beg their forgiveness for being American, and diffuse the whole situation through your tactics of sticking to one or two invalid points, no matter what the logic (or lack thereof). Surely after a short period of time, the Iranian government will decide it is much more attractive to suck-start an AK-47 than to listen to any more of your blathering, and we will be victorious!

Got get 'em, Tiger!

LMAO...that was great..
i like the idea of crippling their military might by not even entering the country, hey the deserve it by arming these insurgents in Iraq,at some point we have to pay them back for all those pine boxes we are filling..they are all hype, propaganda,they aint $#!^

[oloenneker]

Iran seems to be bound and determined to build their nuclear capabilities. The little dwarf over there keeps spouting off about the elimination of Israel. Lets say we carry out numerous strategic bombings on key sites and cripple the country. What do you think the outcome will be?, what do you think the outcome will be if we wait for them to have nuclear bombs?, Do you think Russia and China will attack us if we do this? Do you think we could take out all the key sites within 24 hours?


Why should we waste our military resources? Let Isreal take care of it. It's their threat, not ours. We already give Isreal enough of our tax money, why give them the blood of our soldiers too?

[coolwhip]

Why should we waste our military resources? Let Isreal take care of it. It's their threat, not ours. We already give Isreal enough of our tax money, why give them the blood of our soldiers too?

I agree.

[d_griff]

Why should we waste our military resources? Let Isreal take care of it. It's their threat, not ours. We already give Isreal enough of our tax money, why give them the blood of our soldiers too?

after isreal who do you think is next??
that isolationist way of thining is the same thing that started the ww2 mess,not saying its of this magnitude,one way or another i hate to say we would have to get involved,if not in the begining,we would be sucked in.
its inevitible

[oloenneker]

after isreal who do you think is next??
that isolationist way of thining is the same thing that started the ww2 mess,not saying its of this magnitude,one way or another i hate to say we would have to get involved,if not in the begining,we would be sucked in.
its inevitible

Well guys like you are ever so confident about Isreal's military superiority over these countries, why are you worried about "who's next"?

[coolwhip]

Im sure we would help israel with supplies and intell.

[d_griff]

Well guys like you are ever so confident about Isreal's military superiority over these countries, why are you worried about "who's next"?

well i am confident of isreals military superiority,with the help of america:o
and only the help of america
we saw the way that missile (the one iran launched,but said they didnt)hit the isreali war ship and they didnt even see it coming,they deal with all of americas haters,so they get technology,so i fear it would become greater then isreal iran.and maybe WW3:eek:

[oloenneker]

Im sure we would help israel with supplies and intell.

We already do. And frankly, that does not bother me as mouch as the idea of our troops doing the dirty work for Isreal. They are big boys, they need to handle their business, which ever way it need to be handled. If they screw up and do something the world will frown at, they will pay the price.

It's like this coowhip... I could care less if someone was car jacked in Detroit, because, well, it does not really affect me. It might affect you, and I have no problem with you doing something about it. On the other hand I don't expect you to give a crap about someone who gets car Jacked in Portland. And I certainly don't expect you to send cops from Detroit to take care of the problem.

[oloenneker]

well i am confident of isreals military superiority,with the help of america:o
and only the help of america
we saw the way that missile (the one iran launched,but said they didnt)hit the isreali war ship and they didnt even see it coming,they deal with all of americas haters,so they get technology,so i fear it would become greater then isreal iran.and maybe WW3:eek:

Well, I guess what I am getting at is this: It's time for the US to butt out of these issues. They are the business between Isreal and the rest of the ME, Period. Sure they are our ally, and thats fine. And we will assist if needed, but we will not do their dirty worrk for them like we have been doing for the Saudi's in Iraq. We saw what a mess that turned out to be.

And BTW, they are all America haters because we support Isreal, you know? They are Isreal haters first and foremost, America haters second.


edit:

I just thought of this; (I know, liberalism has slowed down the olde knoggin) If Isreal is such a good ally of ours, where are they in IRAQ!! Oh yeah, I forgot (Liberalism, again) you would have the biggest concentration of Isreal haters floking there to blast as many of them as they could!!

[chillbilly]

You're right geer. We should send 100,000 bleeding hearts to Iran and hug them into submission. Maybe if we beg and say pretty please, they will just stop being extremists. I think you and tinky should be the first to hit the ground there. You can hug them, beg their forgiveness for being American, and diffuse the whole situation through your tactics of sticking to one or two invalid points, no matter what the logic (or lack thereof). Surely after a short period of time, the Iranian government will decide it is much more attractive to suck-start an AK-47 than to listen to any more of your blathering, and we will be victorious!

Got get 'em, Tiger!

Maybe they can get wanker to go with them so he can meet with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and find out when the next Holocaust Denial Conference convenes.:rolleyes:

[d_griff]

Well, I guess what I am getting at is this: It's time for the US to butt out of these issues. They are the business between Isreal and the rest of the ME, Period. Sure they are our ally, and thats fine. And we will assist if needed, but we will not do their dirty worrk for them like we have been doing for the Saudi's in Iraq. We saw what a mess that turned out to be.

And BTW, they are all America haters because we support Isreal, you know? They are Isreal haters first and foremost, America haters second.

im not even talking about the middle eastern countries being haters,im talking about China,North Keorea,venuazuela,Russia,they are all waiting for our downfall,our assistance is needed,everyday a missile is lobbed into a unsuspecting residential area or market.that is reason enough to root out the cowards..

[chillbilly]

And BTW, they are all America haters because we support Isreal, you know? They are Isreal haters first and foremost, America haters second.

Who cares? Who "they" decide to hate is their responsibilty, not the rest of the world's. We are not responsible for why they are motivated to hate us nor are the Jews responsible for their enemies feelings of hatred either.
Diplomacy is certainly a great idea if all sides would contribute equally.
Israel would love to see peace in the region, but her neighbors do not feel the same way and they have one goal there. I think you know what that idealogy is.

[d_griff]

Wh but her neighbors do not feel the same way and they have one goal there. I think you know what that idealogy is.

yes and it is clear they will NEVER stop until isreal is gone..and the scumbag coward extremists can do whatever they wish with no political pressure,and if there is any,they dont care,isreal being a somewhat of a civilized nation is handcuffed,someone has to step up

[Tool-Slinger]

Iran nukes is not an issue of importance limited to the middle-east. It is a global issue.

[James 3528]

And BTW, they are all America haters because we support Isreal, you know? They are Isreal haters first and foremost, America haters second.




The Arabs were great friends with the Nazi's long before Israel came into being.

Should we turn our backs on little black kids in Dar fur because Swedes hate them?

Should we let Turkey destroy Greece ?


Where is your liberal compassion?

[oloenneker]

Iran nukes is not an issue of importance limited to the middle-east. It is a global issue.

Well, there is no denial of that, but the first and formost threatened country of said nukes is Isreal. If Isreal is in such danger, I say, let them act. Heck, if the intel is there that confirms an eminent attack from Iran against Isreal, give them carte blanche on a pre-emtive strike.

The problem is that it is just as the title of this thread.... Saber Ratteling... Iran wants to be recognized as a viable power in the ME. Saber Ratteling is a good way at accomplishing this. Look at how well it worked for the US and USSR...

[Tool-Slinger]

Well, there is no denial of that, but the first and formost threatened country of said nukes is Isreal. If Isreal is in such danger, I say, let them act. Heck, if the intel is there that confirms an eminent attack from Iran against Isreal, give them carte blanche on a pre-emtive strike.

The problem is that it is just as the title of this thread.... Saber Ratteling... Iran wants to be recognized as a viable power in the ME. Saber Ratteling is a good way at accomplishing this. Look at how well it worked for the US and USSR...
Israelis #1 target, agreed.

But nukes are DETERRENT. Iran could do anything without threat of retaliation if they have nukes. Block oil flow through the hormitz, supply hezbolla at will, disrupt iraq further, supply taliban,... and the threat alone would cower what few allies we have in the area.

I would advocate an Israeli strike, agreed. Now.

Logistically, I am uncertain israelis can pull it off.

[oloenneker]

im not even talking about the middle eastern countries being haters,im talking about China,North Keorea,venuazuela,Russia,they are all waiting for our downfall


Some of those countries are "haters" because of recent foreign policy...

And as far as China is concerned, They might hate us, but they sure don't mind doing business with us... Something that has made their economy even more robust, and they are STILL comunists.



,our assistance is needed,everyday a missile is lobbed into a unsuspecting residential area or market.that is reason enough to root out the cowards..

I presume that you are referring to Isreal here with this statement. Why is it the US responsibility to take care of Isreal? I find it peculiar that some of you people abhorr social welfare systems, yet will jump at the first oppertunity to support a welfare state such as Isreal.

Cowards? Thats a matter of perspective.

[d_griff]

.

Cowards? Thats a matter of perspective.

a coward is what you are if you attack innocent civilians with no means to defend themselves, you can justify their behavior???

[oloenneker]

But nukes are DETERRENT.



Thats correct!! And their nemesis in the ME (Isreal) has them! I can understand why Iran would want them. Look at the fever produced when India declared it had them!! It must have been less than a blink of an eye, and Pakistan had them. Talk about two countries that hate one another...



Iran could do anything without threat of retaliation if they have nukes. Block oil flow through the hormitz, supply hezbolla at will, disrupt iraq further, supply taliban,... and the threat alone would cower what few allies we have in the area.

Or it might guarentee that western occupying forces think twice before invading them, especially when such a force is built up along two of their country's border.[/quote]

I would advocate an Israeli strike, agreed. Now.

Logistically, I am uncertain israelis can pull it off.[/QUOTE]

I don't think that they can either. It was glaringly apparent when Hezbollah kidnapped those soldiers and that little war ensued. Northern Isreal is uninhabited to this day. They cried for UN intervention...

[oloenneker]

a coward is what you are if you attack innocent civilians with no means to defend themselves, you can justify their behavior???

Like I said. It's a matter of perspective. The people attacking them don't think that they are "innocent". I am not saying that I agree with their methods, but you have to look at things from another perspective once in a while to truly understand.

For instance, you advocate dropping H-bombs on Tehran... How many "innocent civilians" do you think this will impact? Would'nt that also make the US cowards?


Like I said, look at it with perspective.

[chillbilly]

I presume that you are referring to Isreal here with this statement. Why is it the US responsibility to take care of Isreal? I find it peculiar that some of you people abhorr social welfare systems, yet will jump at the first oppertunity to support a welfare state such as Isreal.


We don't live under their system of government wanker, we support them as a sovereign nation.
They are 2 different things. One is foreign policy and one is domestic policy.

Maybe you could also elaborate on exactly what you mean by referring to Israel as a "welfare state".?
I'm curious about that one.
The politics of Israel takes place in a framework of a parliamentary representative democratic republic.
Didn't you know that?

[d_griff]

[QUOTE=oloenneker;1505928]
For instance, you advocate dropping H-bombs on Tehran... How many "innocent civilians" do you think this will impact? Would'nt that also make the US cowards?
QUOTE]

if i ever said that it was jokingly,i actually would be against such a thing..
if you read below i said i am for crippling irans military might with bombs,and by that i mean military infastructure and production facilities,
and you futher strengthen my argument that liberals are terrorists..
perspecitve..you gotta be effin kidding me,there is no perspective.and its obvious the ones who do it believe in it,but its wrong..its no argument to say they believe in what they are doing.

[geerair]

You're right geer. We should send 100,000 bleeding hearts to Iran and hug them into submission.Perhaps that is all they need.





Maybe if we beg and say pretty please, they will just stop being extremists. I think you and tinky should be the first to hit the ground there. You can hug them, beg their forgiveness for being American, and diffuse the whole situation through your tactics of sticking to one or two invalid points, no matter what the logic (or lack thereof). Surely after a short period of time, the Iranian government will decide it is much more attractive to suck-start an AK-47 than to listen to any more of your blathering, and we will be victorious!

Got get 'em, Tiger!A much more intelligent and effective course would be to replace the children in the Whitehouse with adults.

They have stumbled from one diplomatic and military blunder to another.

Time to send the current Whitehouse bunglers off to the glue factory.

[d_griff]

[QUOTE=geerair;1505953]Perhaps that is all they need.
QUOTE]

it is sad you might actually believe that...you should go and check it out.. let us know how it works out for ya!!:D

[oloenneker]

For instance, you advocate dropping H-bombs on Tehran... How many "innocent civilians" do you think this will impact? Would'nt that also make the US cowards?


if i ever said that it was jokingly,i actually would be against such a thing..

Well, I am glad that you have at least a smidgen of heart. I was beginning to think you're a 'bot



if you read below i said i am for crippling irans military might with bombs,and by that i mean military infastructure and production facilities,
and you futher strengthen my argument that liberals are terrorists.


Well, sure thats called conventional warfare. Thats fine.

Can you please elaborate on this "liberals are terrorists"... Sounds too much like some "talking point" right out of a right wing pundits mouth.



perspecitve..you gotta be effin kidding me,there is no perspective.and its obvious the ones who do it believe in it,but its wrong..its no argument to say they believe in what they are doing.

Wow.. there is no perspective huh? It's only one way, huh? Pretty closed minded. Or un educated, or perhaps a mixture of both.

If you cannot understand their premise, how can you fight against it? You do not posess the tools to make a qualified assesment of the situation. You only reguritate what you have been told by others, which is a shame, and shows that you have been denied a rational skill set for evaluation of the world around you. I suggest you do a little research. It always makes sense to listen to all sides of any matter and make an informed decesion on the situation.

[geerair]

[QUOTE=geerair;1505953]Perhaps that is all they need.
QUOTE]

it is sad you might actually believe that...you should go and check it out.. let us know how it works out for ya!!:DAll You Need Is Love!!!! ;)

[Tool-Slinger]

If iran gets nukes, they may have control of most of the worlds' oil.

We cannot let that happen.

[d_griff]

liberals are terrorists.meaning you guys are attempting to dismante good ole america law by law..and by spewwing your uneducated and reckless propagande you have the sheep start to follow..you are crippling america with your "lets love everyone,everyone is great" BS..you guys are so set against the current administration,you would do just about anything in your extremist mind to debate it,right or wrong,which is why liberals are terrorists.
and for me to understand the cowards way of thinking is ENTIRELY different then justifing it the way you are,of course i understand it,and i understand it to be wrong,i can not defend it like you,the terrorist,,
far from close minded,or uneducated,you must be typing looking at a mirror. because it defines you so well

[oloenneker]

If iran gets nukes, they may have control of most of the worlds' oil.

We cannot let that happen.

Especially considering that we are the biggest consumers of oil...

BUT!

That should drive us to become independent of their oil. There is no better way to debilitate a nation than remove it source of finances...

[d_griff]

All You Need Is Love!!!! ;)

believe me..i wish it was that easy..

[geerair]

believe me..i wish it was that easy..It is.

Jesus said so. ;) ;)

[oloenneker]

liberals are terrorists.meaning you guys are attempting to dismante good ole america law by law..and by spewwing your uneducated and reckless propagande you have the sheep start to follow..you are crippling america with your "lets love everyone,everyone is great" BS..you guys are so set against the current administration,you would do just about anything in your extremist mind to debate it,right or wrong,which is why liberals are terrorists.
and for me to understand the cowards way of thinking is ENTIRELY different then justifing it the way you are,of course i understand it,and i understand it to be wrong,i can not defend it like you,the terrorist,,
far from close minded,or uneducated,you must be typing looking at a mirror. because it defines you so well

Once your lack of original thought glares right through your own post. Take a quick look at what you typed. How does any of this even make sense to you?! You lack of education is very apparent, and like I sugested in another post here on this thread, you should do some research...

Like for instance: Terrorist.



From wiki

Few words are as politically or emotionally charged as terrorism. A 1988 study by the US Army[1] counted 109 definitions of terrorism that covered a total of 22 different definitional elements. Terrorism expert Walter Laqueur in 1999 also has counted over 100 definitions and concludes that the "only general characteristic generally agreed upon is that terrorism involves violence and the threat of violence". For this and for political reasons, many news sources avoid using this term, opting instead for less accusatory words like "bombers", "militants", etc .
In many countries, acts of terrorism are legally distinguished from criminal acts done for other purposes (see below for particular definitions). Common principles amongst legal definitions of terrorism provide an emerging consensus as to meaning and also foster cooperation between law enforcement personnel in different countries.
Among these definitions, several do not recognize the possibility of the legitimate use of violence by civilians against an invader in an occupied country, and would thus label all resistance movements as terrorist groups. Others make a distinction between lawful and unlawful use of violence[2]. Russia for example includes in their terrorist list only those organizations which represent the greatest threat to their own security.[3] Ultimately, the distinction is a political judgment.
It has also been argued that the political use of violent force and weapons that deliberately target or involve civilians, and do not focus mainly on military or government targets, is a common militant, terrorist, or guerilla tactic, and a main defining feature of these kinds of people.
As terrorism ultimately involves the use or threat of violence with the aim of creating fear not only to the victims but among a wide audience, it is fear which distinguishes terrorism from both conventional and guerrilla warfare. While both conventional military forces may engage in psychological warfare and guerrilla forces may engage in acts of terror and other forms of propaganda, they both aim at military victory. Terrorism on the other hand aims to achieve political or other goals, when direct military victory is not possible. This has resulted in some social scientists referring to guerrilla warfare as the "weapon of the weak" and terrorism as the "weapon of the weakest".[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism

Wiki is your freind, use it and fill that empty mind of yours.

[Tool-Slinger]

Especially considering that we are the biggest consumers of oil...

BUT!

That should drive us to become independent of their oil. There is no better way to debilitate a nation than remove it source of finances...
''''''BUT! That should drive us to become independent of their oil.''''''

What fantasy world do you live in where that is a good thing? We can simply trade in our old socks for alternate fuel?

[glennac]

Especially considering that we are the biggest consumers of oil...
BUT!
That should drive us to become independent of their oil. There is no better way to debilitate a nation than remove it source of finances...

I agree Ole; we should cut off all foreign aid including Israel and let’s defend our country first. Seal the borders. America first. Pat Buchanan should be president and we would be in good shape. We should go nuke power and fast breeder reactors and drill off of Alaska, the Gulf, etc.

[oloenneker]

''''''BUT! That should drive us to become independent of their oil.''''''

What fantasy world do you live in where that is a good thing? We can simply trade in our old socks for alternate fuel?

Whats fantasy about it? Why is alternative fuel a bad thing? And whats not to say that with cars and trucks that have better fuel economy as a way to "reduce" our consumption? We need face facts here, we are a nation who have a leash around our necks. It's oil. Time to cut the leash.

[oloenneker]

I agree Ole; we should cut off all foreign aid including Israel and let’s defend our country first. Seal the borders. America first. Pat Buchanan should be president and we would be in good shape. We should go nuke power and fast breeder reactors and drill off of Alaska, the Gulf, etc.

I find it slightly nauseating when I find myself agreeing with what Buchanan says at times, because I used to think he was the biggest scum bag around.


But what I do like is that he is a straight shooter, no sugar coatings here.

[d_griff]

Wiki is your freind, use it and fill that empty mind of yours.

cant wiki be edited by anyone???
now the real definition of terror
such fear as agitates body and mind;dread;alarm,cause of fear...


thats it sheepy,not your edited book on what russia thinks is a terrotist..lmao..
what liberals do is a cause of fear,alarm.
but your doing good..

[oloenneker]

cant wiki be edited by anyone???
now the real definition of terror
such fear as agitates body and mind;dread;alarm,cause of fear...


thats it sheepy,not your edited book on what russia thinks is a terrotist..lmao..
what liberals do is a cause of fear,alarm.
but your doing good..

You're just out of ammo, because you got smoked by facts, and could not get the hamster wheel spinning fast enough to conjure up your own thoughts. Your unwillingness to even entertain the idea of prerspective whould have been enough to melt down the hamster...

You are just like the rest of you KA, a bunch of whiners that regurgitate the same drivel you heard on the talk radio show on the drive home from the job...

Pathetic.

[d_griff]

You're just out of ammo, because you got smoked by facts, and could not get the hamster wheel spinning fast enough to conjure up your own thoughts. Your unwillingness to even entertain the idea of prerspective whould have been enough to melt down the hamster...

You are just like the rest of you KA, a bunch of whiners that regurgitate the same drivel you heard on the talk radio show on the drive home from the job...

Pathetic.

good comeback.you said alot,i saw that same post form you i think about a dozen times on this forum,maybe more..
its funny,i am regurgitating,just today on talk radio i heard someone proving some liberal wrong about the definition of terrorism..and about how its wrong to suicide bomb innocent people..LMAO..yup.what a coincidence..

[Tool-Slinger]

Don't be silly, I cannot afford a $120,000 car to drive around in burning hydrogen,.. few can, that is non-sense. Oil reserves are proven to be other than here,want links?

[Tool-Slinger]

Whats fantasy about it? Why is alternative fuel a bad thing? And whats not to say that with cars and trucks that have better fuel economy as a way to "reduce" our consumption? We need face facts here, we are a nation who have a leash around our necks. It's oil. Time to cut the leash.
Sell me another fuel,I will buy it tonight.

You do not have it.

Fantasy Fuel Company.... how is that stock doing?

[oloenneker]

Don't be silly, I cannot afford a $120,000 car to drive around in burning hydrogen,.. few can, that is non-sense. Oil reserves are proven to be other than here,want links?


I am not talking about hydrogen.

I run Bio Diesel in my service rig as we speak. it only costs 2-3 ¢ more than regular diesel...

And it's a off the shelf stock diesel truck, nothing special.

You can also convert and run 100% biodiesel in oil furnaces.

Electric cars are also a good alternative...

As you see, it's not fantasy anymore, it's becoming a reality

[oloenneker]

Sell me another fuel,I will buy it tonight.

You do not have it.


yes I do.

Here is one local to me.

http://www.sqbiofuels.com/



Fantasy Fuel Company.... how is that stock doing?



Well.

[oloenneker]

good comeback.you said alot,i saw that same post form you i think about a dozen times on this forum,maybe more..
its funny,i am regurgitating,just today on talk radio i heard someone proving some liberal wrong about the definition of terrorism..and about how its wrong to suicide bomb innocent people..LMAO..yup.what a coincidence..

Have you been drinking?

Now you're making up stuff that I supposedly said...



and about how its wrong to suicide bomb innocent people.

I am not suprised by this tactic...

Wanna call me some names next?

[Tool-Slinger]

not going to fill the needs of the nation, I applaud the effort.

[Tool-Slinger]

I am not talking about hydrogen.

I run Bio Diesel in my service rig as we speak. it only costs 2-3 ¢ more than regular diesel...

And it's a off the shelf stock diesel truck, nothing special.

You can also convert and run 100% biodiesel in oil furnaces.

Electric cars are also a good alternative...

As you see, it's not fantasy anymore, it's becoming a reality
Not able to supply national needs of consumption. Not nearly.

Wierd. Want to get wierd? How about freon based boiler systems not using the same heat to generate steam? I am not hostile, just a realist. We need oil.

[oloenneker]

Not able to supply national needs of consumption. Not nearly.

Wierd. Want to get wierd? How about freon based boiler systems not using the same heat to generate steam? I am not hostile, just a realist. We need oil.

I know that we are severly dependent on oil. there are some solutions on the horizon, yet as you pointed out (and I was aware of this as well) they are far from being able to satisfy the nations needs. But they are indeed a start... That along with smarter use of the fuel we have, and better ways to use regenerative fuels and power sources, it is plausible. But a serious lifestryle change would have to happen in the US, and I simply do not see it happening in the near futrure.

[Tool-Slinger]

Idiots driving around looking for futon bargains, that may be the bigger problem. Dang, I just drive as I must. Oil rules, that is the reality of today, and we must accept it and face it and deal with it. It sucks, I am sure you agree. I would like nothing better than to grow my own fuel in my back-yard.

[oloenneker]

Idiots driving around looking for futon bargains, that may be the bigger problem. Dang, I just drive as I must. Oil rules, that is the reality of today, and we must accept it and face it and deal with it. It sucks, I am sure you agree. I would like nothing better than to grow my own fuel in my back-yard.

Well, I guess that is what I was attempting to get at with the "Lifestyle change" comment.

Americans and "car culture" are one and the same. We value one's personal merrits based on what kind of car one drives. We are car-a-holics. Myself included. I grew up in Scandinavia, and I remember far less cars and more people using other types of transportation. It does not help that gas is also $5-6 a gallon... Everyone drives these small highly fuel effecient cars out of neccesicity, not preference (well except for Germans... they like their Mercedes and 200 + KMH jaunts from town to town)

You should ask that one guy that comes in here sometime... I forget his name, but his avatar is a pic of three coyboys... He posted pics of his Biodiesel setup that he runs his ranch equipment on... Pretty slick... I just buy it out of a pump...

[Tool-Slinger]

Well, I guess that is what I was attempting to get at with the "Lifestyle change" comment.

Americans and "car culture" are one and the same. We value one's personal merrits based on what kind of car one drives. We are car-a-holics. Myself included. I grew up in Scandinavia, and I remember far less cars and more people using other types of transportation. It does not help that gas is also $5-6 a gallon... Everyone drives these small highly fuel effecient cars out of neccesicity, not preference (well except for Germans... they like their Mercedes and 200 + KMH jaunts from town to town)

You should ask that one guy that comes in here sometime... I forget his name, but his avatar is a pic of three coyboys... He posted pics of his Biodiesel setup that he runs his ranch equipment on... Pretty slick... I just buy it out of a pump...
I think it patriotic to burn as little fuel as possible, my friend, not for personal economy, but national economy. It should not be forced or legislated, but recognized as fact.

I congradulate efforts to have alternatves, loathsome in effect as they are. We need oil, dang it. Rotten arabs got most of it,so we need to be there, dang it. It sucks, but not as hard as an al-quieda member on an al-quieda member. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

[hvactech13]

You're just out of ammo, because you got smoked by facts, and could not get the hamster wheel spinning fast enough to conjure up your own thoughts. Your unwillingness to even entertain the idea of prerspective whould have been enough to melt down the hamster...

You are just like the rest of you KA, a bunch of whiners that regurgitate the same drivel you heard on the talk radio show on the drive home from the job...

Pathetic.

Hey now!! Talk radio sucks!! Rock n Roll is the only thing to listen to.:D

[oloenneker]

Hey now!! Talk radio sucks!! Rock n Roll is the only thing to listen to.:D

OK, maybe not all of KA... I was smokin' him, and had to rub some mud....

(Actually I was trying to get other KA's riled up, but no takers)

[hvactech13]

OK, maybe not all of KA... I was smokin' him, and had to rub some mud....

(Actually I was trying to get other KA's riled up, but no takers)

:rolleyes: I'll let it slide this time stump jumper!

[Tool-Slinger]

12 weeks of operations, targets have to be verfied as toast..

[d_griff]

Wanna call me some names next?

no thats what you libbies do when your losing an argument,see other thread where you called me a moron..



I was smokin' him, and had to rub some mud....

the only thing you are smoking must be some good ole mary J

[oloenneker]

no thats what you libbies do when your losing an argument,see other thread where you called me a moron..



Haha... You didn't understand that post either, did you? A little slow today?

And if you take a good look at the posts here in ARP, statistically the ones that throw around the name calling tend to be you Cons... Especially the A$$ king himself.




the only thing you are smoking must be some good ole mary J

I have not smoked any of that stuff since I was in college, and that was over 15 years ago. Nice try.





Smoked again!

[ga-hvac-tech]

russia and china will sit this one out.

all of europe, most of the middle-east, wants iran de-fanged.

AGREE on both points! They know that if they let Iran have enough rope, they will hang themselves...

[hvactech13]

Russia won't sit this one out, Iran owes them money for the Nuke Power Plant.

[Tool-Slinger]

Russia won't sit this one out, Iran owes them money for the Nuke Power Plant.
GA-HVAC-Tech pointed out in another place that russia stopped work for non-payment last winter, seems they do not lend credit to iran.

Russia will sit this one out. If we attack Iran, what can they do?

[hvactech13]

Russia had accused Iran of not paying the amounts agreed upon in a deal reached last September on the construction and nuclear fuel supply to the plant, but at the end of March, Moscow acknowledged that Tehran had resumed its payments and construction would continue.

Iran is also seeking to build 2 more nuclear plants. Russia has been building onw, so they may step in and build 2 more. There is a financial link there, money earned (even with late payments) is a boon to economy for the Russian government. They may not step aside and watch from the sidelines, and they do have a nuclear arsenal. Putin is a putz, and is crazy enough to start something.