Communism

[ralphtheplumber]

com·mu·nism [n]

1. a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/communism


Presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton outlined a broad economic vision Tuesday, saying it's time to replace an "on your own" society with one based on shared responsibility and prosperity.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070529/clinton_economy.html?.v=1

[RoBoTeq]

The problem with Socialism and Communism is that there are always those in leadership who are more equal then the rest.

[Carnak]

Yes, some animals are more equal than other animals

[RoBoTeq]

Yes, some animals are more equal than other animals

So, should the human animals that are more capable of provoking the other human animals have the right to dictate what all of the lesser human animals can communally share?

[braces4impact]

com·mu·nism [n]

1. a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/communism



http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070529/clinton_economy.html?.v=1


In North Korea they have a "shared responsibility" philosophy as well. When someone is guilty of a crime against the state ( speaking freely etc) , his neighbors and his immediate family are taken to the prison camps as well as he is because he was part of their "shared responsibility".

[wolfstrike]

1. a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.


yeah we have that now thanks to the Supreme Court's perverted ruling of imminent domain.

who would have thought that placing Communists on the Supreme Court would have ended in Communist style laws?

[glennac]

yeah we have that now thanks to the Supreme Court's perverted ruling of imminent domain.

who would have thought that placing Communists on the Supreme Court would have ended in Communist style laws?


The supreme court has been communist since FDR stacked the court with commies like Douglas & Black.

[The Doctor]

what kills me is that now on both sides of the aisle these jokers are telling the American people that we are not able to make it without them doling out the booty. the immigration bill takes the cake, as it sets the stage for a marxist western hemisphere on the fast track. Ya gotta admit about HRC though, there are her supporters and the skulls full of mush that are hearing her talk that way and saying, "yeah, what she said". :eek:

[budro]

The art of slow approach has worked well, but in my circles people are talking. I think we may end up with some massive prison camps for those who diasgree before its running full tilt. Id rather die fighting in hopes to inspire others then to go belly up. Its on the way boys.

If youre from TX you should have seen full well the power and activities of a communist gov't at work as they stripped the peoples opinion right our from under them and instituted their will.

[wolfstrike]

our teacher in Christian school told us oppressive government would be some time long after we died, i never thought i'd see it happen so fast.

[The Doctor]

and how about Barry Obama, oh yeah, Barack H. Obama with the universal health care bit? It's worse than a bad theatrical production, if only because the political class' first job is to get reelected. Perhaps we uneducated (and nativist, don't forget!) masses should consider sharp term limits on the elected. I'm not sure that would keep communism in check, but it would help people move on, and preferably move back into the private sector...one can only hope;)

[ralphtheplumber]

Barack H. Obama with the universal health care bit?
Do you ever read scrappleface?

[ralphtheplumber]

In North Korea they have a "shared responsibility" philosophy as well. When someone is guilty of a crime against the state ( speaking freely etc) , his neighbors and his immediate family are taken to the prison camps as well as he is because he was part of their "shared responsibility".
It takes a village.

[chefid]

does anybody really believe stalins russia was a communist state? a main premise of socialism is that the state should give up power after a set time. so everybody who says less government is better is in a way preaching socialism. hasnt capitalism gotten a little out of hand anyways?

[The Doctor]

does anybody really believe stalins russia was a communist state? I believe he killed somewhere around 20 million. That country had already been pushed toward communism, he just perfected murder by numbers.

. a main premise of socialism is that the state should give up power after a set time. so everybody who says less government is better is in a way preaching socialism.don't believe everything you read. What "state" has EVER given up one iota of power? So are you saying that true socialism has not yet been tried?
hasnt capitalism gotten a little out of hand anyways?Perhaps we have not taken Jesus at His word when he said "the poor you have with you always"--on that note I would emphasize my (read: our) responsibility toward the least of our brethren, but this never includes "from each according to his means to each according to his needs", rather "if a man will not work, then he should not eat." And another thing Paul wrote is that "the LOVE of money is the root of all evil." if we would not quote Pink Floyd we could get it right :D
Lastly, I would sooner preach individual effort than that some pencil pusher in Washington has my answer, but for the punch line, see my sig.

[chefid]

"true socialism" has never been accomplished is what i am saying if you look at all the so called socialist leaders castro, mao, stalin, polpot, the list goes on they were all tyrants and totalitarian dictators no better then the people they overthrew. they hid behind the socialist flag to gain complete power. just to be clear i am not a socialist but i think they had a few good points as do conservatives and liberals but none of the three are totaly right in what they preach.

[glennac]

"true socialism" has never been accomplished is what i am saying if you look at all the so called socialist leaders castro, mao, stalin, polpot, the list goes on they were all tyrants and totalitarian dictators no better then the people they overthrew. they hid behind the socialist flag to gain complete power. just to be clear i am not a socialist but i think they had a few good points as do conservatives and liberals but none of the three are totaly right in what they preach.


Are you for real? Sure true socialism has never succeeded because without the gun (communism) it is doomed to failure. Nobody likes to work harder for the same pay as a lazy person. It has been tried here in America in the 1800’s. What good points did Stalin, Mao, Polpot, & Castrol have? Let’s see, Stalin had about 30,000,000 killed under his regime, Mao killed around 50,000,000, Polpot killed about 2,500,000 (1/3 of the country) and Castrol just killed thousands and destroyed the Cuban economy. I think those good points might be lost on the millions who were tortured and killed under their rule. You must be a true communist to believe that they had good points. Pure evil is not good nor does it have good points. Where did you get your beliefs?

[scrogdog]

I believe he killed somewhere around 20 million.

Correct. 20 to 26 million... about 18 million of which were civilians.

To get a little perspective on this; that number means that Stalin killed more of his *OWN* people than Hitler killed Jews.

Way more, in fact.

[chefid]

i think you nee to reread what i wrote the people i mentined are not socialists i understand that they killed millions and millions of people. read the whole passage dont twist what i say into i like stalin. and in a socialist world the stupid would have to find another line of work what your talking about is the union also liberal and socialist are not the same thing

[chefid]

and by the way i know all the statisticts mentioned above correction polpot killed 1/5 of the population of cambodia

[Space Racer]

From www.boortz.com:

Empires have life expectancies. The history of civilization would tell us that a country based on freedom and economic liberty generally last just a bit over 200 years. If you know of such a society that has lasted well beyond the 200-year mark, let me know. I haven't been able to find one. Our Constitution was ratified on December 15th, 1791. In just a few weeks the United States of America will be 214 years old. That, for those of you who went to government schools, is just a bit over 200 years.

You can trace the decline of America to several different and varied beginning points. Among them:

The adoption of a graduated and progressive income tax, as envisioned by Karl Marx.
The adoption of a system of government education of our children, again as envisioned by Karl Marx.
The movement away from a rule of law to a rule of the majority (Democracy) which really took hold during the days of Franklin Roosevelt.

America, the welfare state, is growing steadily. In the last few weeks we started George Bush's Medicare prescription drug program. The original estimates for this welfare boondoggle ran at about $300 billion for the next ten years. Those estimates doubled before the program even began. The actual tab will probably be closer to one trillion dollars for the first ten years .. and growing after that.

Baby boomers will be retiring over the next decade. As they retire they will start drawing down Social Security and Medicare dollars by the bucketful. The cost will be enormous. As presently structured, these income transfer programs can't handle it, but all attempts at reform, at least insofar as Social Security is concerned, have failed.

Back to the main point. Americans are no longer in love with freedom. [Space Racer: My Bold] In fact, the case can be made that Americans are afraid of freedom. Oh, they want to be free to go on vacation and to chose where to live, who to marry and what to wear each day, but that just about covers it. Americans want the government to educate their children, guarantee their jobs, determine their wages, provide them with medical care, pay for their prescriptions, ensure their comfort in retirement, regulate their business competitors, and control the actions of their neighbors. If you suggest that the responsibility for any of these factors be placed back into the hands of the individual the screams and howls of outrage and indignation will be heard across the country.

[braces4impact]

"true socialism" has never been accomplished is what i am saying if you look at all the so called socialist leaders castro, mao, stalin, polpot, the list goes on they were all tyrants and totalitarian dictators no better then the people they overthrew. they hid behind the socialist flag to gain complete power. just to be clear i am not a socialist but i think they had a few good points as do conservatives and liberals but none of the three are totaly right in what they preach.


Then why does Hugo Chavez have to be given total power in order for him to enact socialism in Venezuela? he says its just temporary but you just wait and see how "temporary" it will be.

Another thing to point out is that Chavez is a Christian. This flys in the face of some who want to say socialism is an atheist philosophy.

[braces4impact]

From www.boortz.com:

Empires have life expectancies. The history of civilization would tell us that a country based on freedom and economic liberty generally last just a bit over 200 years. If you know of such a society that has lasted well beyond the 200-year mark, let me know. I haven't been able to find one. Our Constitution was ratified on December 15th, 1791. In just a few weeks the United States of America will be 214 years old. That, for those of you who went to government schools, is just a bit over 200 years.

You can trace the decline of America to several different and varied beginning points. Among them:

The adoption of a graduated and progressive income tax, as envisioned by Karl Marx.
The adoption of a system of government education of our children, again as envisioned by Karl Marx.
The movement away from a rule of law to a rule of the majority (Democracy) which really took hold during the days of Franklin Roosevelt.

America, the welfare state, is growing steadily. In the last few weeks we started George Bush's Medicare prescription drug program. The original estimates for this welfare boondoggle ran at about $300 billion for the next ten years. Those estimates doubled before the program even began. The actual tab will probably be closer to one trillion dollars for the first ten years .. and growing after that.

Baby boomers will be retiring over the next decade. As they retire they will start drawing down Social Security and Medicare dollars by the bucketful. The cost will be enormous. As presently structured, these income transfer programs can't handle it, but all attempts at reform, at least insofar as Social Security is concerned, have failed.

Back to the main point. Americans are no longer in love with freedom. [Space Racer: My Bold] In fact, the case can be made that Americans are afraid of freedom. Oh, they want to be free to go on vacation and to chose where to live, who to marry and what to wear each day, but that just about covers it. Americans want the government to educate their children, guarantee their jobs, determine their wages, provide them with medical care, pay for their prescriptions, ensure their comfort in retirement, regulate their business competitors, and control the actions of their neighbors. If you suggest that the responsibility for any of these factors be placed back into the hands of the individual the screams and howls of outrage and indignation will be heard across the country.

Boortz is right on about 98% of the time.

[chefid]

another big problem with socialism is that it was supposed to happen in more advanced capatilistic countrys it was supposed to be an advancement but the poor third world countrys latched on to it if a country has almost no industry the ruling class will have to be in power longer in hopes of putting things on track in chavez case i really dont think he is a true socialist he is yet another dictator hiding his true intentions behind a red star

[frozensolid]

America may be divided by design, because a divided Nation is easy to manipulate. The politicians can do just about what ever they want.

A united Nation is nearly impossible to manipulate. Unless we Americans can find the courage to unite, and put away our petty differences, liberty is doomed.

BTW in the past we have been no better than Stalin, we killed twenty million American Indians. There are entire tribes that no longer exist because of us. It was not religious genocide, but it was genocide, right down to the last man woman and child.

Everywhere you look in nature the strong dominate the weak. People are part of nature.

[The Doctor]

Then why does Hugo Chavez have to be given total power in order for him to enact socialism in Venezuela? he says its just temporary but you just wait and see how "temporary" it will be.

Another thing to point out is that Chavez is a Christian.Are you kidding, Braces? Next thing you'll say is that Hitler was a Christian. :rolleyes:
This flys in the face of some who want to say socialism is an atheist philosophy.socialism, like liberalism, is a mental disorder. :)

[Space Racer]

Are you kidding, Braces? Next thing you'll say is that Hitler was a Christian. :rolleyes: socialism, like liberalism, is a mental disorder. :)

I dont think braces was defending him...
Think about it.