Goodman equipment ???

[rmmcneil]

I see a lot of website which sell Goodman HVAC equipment for DIY installs. I've never heard of this brand. Are they reputable? How do they compare with the more well-known names - Rheem, Carrier, Trane, etc.?

[chucko615]

Oops who opened this can of worms. Do a search for Goodman on this site and you'll get more than enough opinions both ways. The install is the most important thing, a crappy install will kill the best equipment.

[robertc65]

Oh no. Not again.

[jrbenny]

No, not again. There won't be a Goodman bashing thread or any brand for that matter.

[hook]

I know Goodman very well.It was privately owned until about 5 years ago. They also manufacture the same product under another brand name known as Amana and Janitrol.They sell to the dealer and wholesaler as a competitively priced unit to the dealer.They are indeed cheaper than most brands but as most it is the installing contractor that you should be aware of more so than the product.However.Consumer reports (via web) has reported Goodman as one of the most serviced units in the market today.

[sammy37]

Im sick of hearing what consumer reports says! It all depends on the installation as many have said on here hundreds of times. I think any brand should perform well if properly installed. Period.

[refertecbd]

AKA Janitrol I think there good units. For the price and warranties its hard to pase them over

[Milk man]

Goodman is cheap and was/is easily acquired by side jobbers and hacks. Many are put in by unskilled labor (DIYers, handymen, and installers that really haven't learned their trade)

Many professionals prefer something other than Goodman.

[busted knuckles]

Many are put in by unskilled labor (DIYers, handymen, and installers that really haven't learned their trade)

Many professionals prefer something other than Goodman.

Well, I've been in this trade nearly 30 years, and I don't have a problem with them.
Does that make me "unskilled labor (DIYer, handyman, or installer that hasn't learned my trade)" ??

[classical]

Goodman is cheap and was/is easily acquired by side jobbers and hacks. Many are put in by unskilled labor (DIYers, handymen, and installers that really haven't learned their trade)

Many professionals prefer something other than Goodman.

Goodman is no longer cheap and is a quality product better in fact than many of the so called premium brands. Most brands have a range of products from builders grade to top of the line products.

Virtiulay every brand has handymen and hacks installing them; in fact some of the largest contractors selling the best known brands are the biggest hacks.

[Milk man]

Well, I've been in this trade nearly 30 years, and I don't have a problem with them.
Does that make me "unskilled labor (DIYer, handyman, or installer that hasn't learned my trade)" ??

Nope, not at all. I too install Goodman/Amana. Because that is what my employer wants to do. Or at least one of my employers.

[Milk man]

Goodman is cheap and was/is easily acquired by side jobbers and hacks. Many are put in by unskilled labor (DIYers, handymen, and installers that really haven't learned their trade)

Many professionals prefer something other than Goodman.

I stand by what I've said.

[dec]

GOODMAN ......... well thats the name prefered by most TROLLS.

Their not saying anything good about it but what do you expect ........... they are TROLLS.

Why else would they waste all their time bashing it ......... its a thorn in the side of all the other brands.

The minute the subject of Goodman bashing goes away, a TROLL has to step in and start bashing it.


Any legitimate person that is in here looking at brands to possibly buy should take into account that this site is filled with bashers of brands and that the only reason they do it is to make their brand sound better. They will probably even send you to this site to ask what is thought of the Goodman name.

They know that the site is filled with trolls bashing Goodman and it may even be the company that sent you here responding to you with the bashing to scare you from looking at the Goodman brand.

Keep that in mind that when your getting estimates. The companies or salesman that are out BASHING other brands is usally not a reputable company if they are using those tactics. They pretty much fit under the catagory of being a loser.


Probably not a company that you want their employees running free in your house.


Ok ......... the Trolls and losers will be here in a minute to respond to that.

[Milk man]

So am I trolling? The question was asked, and I gave an answer. As far as I know the OP is looking to buy a Goodman from the net, and my answer applies.

[summit]

I see a lot of website which sell Goodman HVAC equipment for DIY installs. I've never heard of this brand. Are they reputable? How do they compare with the more well-known names - Rheem, Carrier, Trane, etc.?

Below is Goodman's stance on internet purchased equipment.

"Goodman Manufacturing Company, L.P. provides no written warranty on any product purchased over the Internet, including web-based auctions."

http://www.goodmanmfg.com/Default.aspx?tabid=594

[mr horsepower]

this goodman thing is beat to death. please moderator(s), make it stop! it eats up bandwidth and hard drive space somewhere. someone has to care. please?!?!

[chillbilly]

GOODMAN ......... well thats the name prefered by most TROLLS.
Their not saying anything good about it but what do you expect ........... they are TROLLS.
Why else would they waste all their time bashing it ......... its a thorn in the side of all the other brands.
The minute the subject of Goodman bashing goes away, a TROLL has to step in and start bashing it.
Oh, what a croc. You think that by using the troll word and your own jaded description of everyone's intentions, you will discourage responses about the differences in the products we deal with?
This is an information based web site.
We are here to provide and receive responses based on a heck of a lot more than just biased speculation.
Many of us prefer certain mfgrs. based on our experiences and not as a way to "product dump".


Any legitimate person that is in here looking at brands to possibly buy should take into account that this site is filled with bashers of brands and that the only reason they do it is to make their brand sound better.
That may be true with people who don't know the inherent qualities and flaws of the equipment they are selling or purchasing, but it's hardly true for people who know their stuff. My job is to state my preferences and present my reasons for those preferences to the customer, along with credentials, installation criteria and anything else I feel is worthy of consideration.


They will probably even send you to this site to ask what is thought of the Goodman name.They know that the site is filled with trolls bashing Goodman and it may even be the company that sent you here responding to you with the bashing to scare you from looking at the Goodman brand.
From the looks of this statement, you are suffering from a complex about Goodman. If Goodman equipment is all that and a bag of chips, then "what is thought of the Goodman name" will not matter because it's performance and quality will render the bashfest irrelevant.
Real professionals go with the evidence and don't rely on product bashing to promote their services nor do they deny that some product lines are superior and inferior to others.


Keep that in mind that when your getting estimates. The companies or salesman that are out BASHING other brands is usally not a reputable company if they are using those tactics. They pretty much fit under the catagory of being a loser.Probably not a company that you want their employees running free in your house.Ok ......... the Trolls and losers will be here in a minute to respond to that.
Well, I'm no troll and since I also sell Goodman equipment, I'm not a Goodman basher either. However, there are some things that I do not like about their equipment, as with any equipment.
And those items should be shared with potential customers as a means of helping them make an informed choice.

Isn't that what we should be trying to do here?

[robertc65]

Can one of you Pros compare the components of a late model Goodman to the components in other leading brands. I know for one that Goodman uses a Scroll compressor. Are there other 3rd party OEM type components used by major brands. How do the coils, the controllers and plumbing in general compare. How about the wiring. Is it sloppy or neat? Are the enclosures light weight and crude. Are the metal edges wrapped or sharp like a knife? Have you ever been injured by one? Do they have enough sound proofing? Do they perform on par with other major brands of like features ( variable speed blowers, dual stage heating and cooling)? If installed properly under similar conditions compared to other major brands do Goodman units cost a homeowner more or less over several years living in a home? Taking into account lower purchase price, frequency and cost of repair. Energy cost to operate, filters, yearly service blah blah blah......

[chillbilly]

Can one of you Pros compare the components of a late model Goodman to the components in other leading brands. I know for one that Goodman uses a Scroll compressor.
Correct. They are fairly quiet but don't achieve the DB ratings that some others get.

Are there other 3rd party OEM type components used by major brands.
Yes. In fact, there are many.

How do the coils, the controllers and plumbing in general compare.
I have not had good experiences with Goodman heat pump coils when compared to Carrier or Trane. The controls are adequate and the refrigerant circuit is good with the exception of the base pans containing too much oil out of the factory.

How about the wiring.Is it sloppy or neat?
I have had no significant problems with wiring issues on any of them and I like Goodman's lug type high voltage wiring terminals.
I do not like the way their circuit boards are configured on their variable speed airhandlers.

Are the enclosures light weight and crude. Are the metal edges wrapped or sharp like a knife?
Goodman cabinet quality on their split system lines is poor. They do not retain their shape well, are significantly weaker and their pre-drilled cabinet holes strip easily. Their paint has gotten slightly better, but is still only fair at best.

Have you ever been injured by one? YES


Do they have enough sound proofing?
Their premium lines do have a factory installed compressor blanket ,but they do not come blanketed on standard lines and as mentioned, are a bit noisier than some other mfgrs.

Do they perform on par with other major brands of like features ( variable speed blowers, dual stage heating and cooling)?
Yes, but with some notes. They do not offer a TXV as standard equipment even on their variable speed airhandlers. A TXV kit may be purchased (at an extra expense) and installed. They use piston metering at their outdoor section which I like because I've seen lots of outdoor TXV's fail prematurely.
They are a good product when considering up front costs.


If installed properly under similar conditions compared to other major brands do Goodman units cost a homeowner more or less over several years living in a home? Taking into account lower purchase price, frequency and cost of repair. Energy cost to operate, filters, yearly service blah blah blah......
Energy usage will be comparable but repair costs are always an unforseen variable. Up front costs are slightly lower but Goodman prices are not nearly as comparatively low as they have been in the past.

[Milk man]

I don't care for Amana's HP wiring. Although wire colors mean nothing, what they connect do. I don't remember the particulars but some of the air handler's control wires are a different color than the heat pumps corresponding terminations. There is no reason, besides one group of engineers not talking to another group, why control wires are not keep the same.

The RTG (heat pump) defrost board does not have any diagnostics lights. IMO, this is now below standards.

And the wiring diagram's are just stickers. Everyone I've seen is wrinkled and won't be readable in a few years.

And yes I've been injured by Goodman equipment.

And the RTG's electrical compartment door sucks to get on and off.

I like the way the electrical compartment is on hinges so one can get inside the HP easily.

[Milk man]

this goodman thing is beat to death. please moderator(s), make it stop! it eats up bandwidth and hard drive space somewhere. someone has to care. please?!?!

That's what we do here:D

[menaphnx]

Milk Man How many years you been in the Trade? Just wondering?

[Milk man]

Thirteen

[bear34]

I've worked in this business 22 years,been in business for myself for 14 years.I sell Goodman.I sell Bryant,Comfortmaker,Heil,Armstrong,Coleman,America n Standard,and whatever else the customer wants.I am not partial to any one of them.They all have their own qwirks and problems.And they all have over the years.Anybody that services all brands knows this.If it is installed right that is what is most important.