R22 Average Selling Price

[LHEBERTLJ]

As Contractors, What Is Your Selling Price Per Pound For R22

[davefr]

As Contractors, What Is Your Selling Price Per Pound For R22

Hate to break the news to you but pricing discussions are a violation of the forums rules.

[CottyGee]

I'll betcha some web-savy programmer could set up an automatic email to guys that fires on their first post that says something like, "If you just posted to ask a Do-It-Yourself question, or if you just posted something about pricing for HVAC, then you might as well save yourself the hassle and embarassment and revise or delete your post. Then maybe read the Rules (http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?threadid=1241)."


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[nashobasales]

That cat is funny!:D :p :D :p

[CottyGee]

That cat is funny!:D :p :D :p
Like most cats, he's psycho! :D

[Kevin O'Neill]

The price I pay for R-22 just went up 50% (wholesale) 1 week after I bought a pallet. Do I increase the price I charge to pay for stocking that much refrigerant? It should last me a year and I tied a lot of money up in it. Or would it be better to buy as I go and mark up based on the new higher price?

Prices vary based on location, overhead, storage costs, acquisition costs, etc.

It is not a good question on a site as geographically varied as this one.

[CottyGee]

LOL - my dad bought up a LOT of R12 for his auto repair business. A lot. He's still got some of it I think. He bought it just before the pricing went nuts. He charges the going rate, minus a tad. It's been a money-maker, but it was also a huge unfront investment.

[gregp]

Do I increase the price I charge to pay for stocking that much refrigerant? It should last me a year and I tied a lot of money up in it. Or would it be better to buy as I go and mark up based on the new higher price?

Forum rules prohibit me from answering that question here, but since you are a PM, post it in that forum and I think you'll get some answers:D

[LHEBERTLJ]

I apologize for the question, i'm new to this site. I quess what i'm curios about is how do most of you arrive at your going price. Do you use a multiplier or just ask everyone else what the're charging in your area.

[nashobasales]

I apologize for the question, i'm new to this site. I quess what i'm curios about is how do most of you arrive at your going price. Do you use a multiplier or just ask everyone else what the're charging in your area.

I would assume most of the owners decide their own price. Based on overhead, mark up and a lot of other factors. It's like asking your competitors what they are charging for installs and pricing the same as them.:rolleyes: Maybe I don't get your question, but I would assume they come up with their own prices.

[Kevin O'Neill]

Do I increase the price I charge to pay for stocking that much refrigerant? It should last me a year and I tied a lot of money up in it. Or would it be better to buy as I go and mark up based on the new higher price?

Forum rules prohibit me from answering that question here, but since you are a PM, post it in that forum and I think you'll get some answers:D

It was just a rhetorical question to get people thinking. We went up a little in price, 20% above our old price. Not saying actual $$ to conmorm with rules.

[the dangling wrangler]

I apologize for the question, i'm new to this site. I quess what i'm curios about is how do most of you arrive at your going price. Do you use a multiplier or just ask everyone else what the're charging in your area.

Well,do you ask the hospital how much they pay for an asprin? You can be sure they mark it up a little bit. It dosen't matter what we pay .What matters is what you pay.

[lolson]

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that cat has a bad temper:eek:

[subcooled_]

As Contractors, What Is Your Selling Price Per Pound For R22

Your first born.:eek:

[rogerk]

I guess this guy goes and buys a shirt and asks the sales guy "now I want to know what you paid for this shirt"? "How do you figure out how much to charge for the shirt, do you call other stores and ask what they are charging for the same shirt"? :rolleyes:

[beenthere]

LOL...


He's not the first guy to ask what other contractors are charging. And won't be the last.

But he is asking in the wrong forum..




Apply for pro membeship, and access to the tech, and biz areas, then you can get much better answers.

[rohalon]

Geez, price shopping for freon!

Don't you get it, there is a cost of doing business that needs to be covered, it also includes profit for the business owner. A business could give away free freon with every service call, but they are going to make it up somewhere else in the cost you pay for thier service. It may be a higher trip charge, higher labor rate, higher parts cost, or in the worst case, selling you repairs and parts you don't need. So go ahead and call around town for the cheapest per lb rate on freon, hopefully you need 10 lbs so you can save $20 to help buy your hard start kit, zerol ice and never clean electrostatic 1/4" supper filter, and the new compressor when yours blows a nut due to being overcharged by 6 lbs.

[acmech13]

rule of thumb is whatever the bluebook says it cost it cost. Then it depends are u a contract customer or someone who only calls when you have a problem.

[jrbenny]

Maybe, he is a contractor, and just wanted to talk shop. Gee, that would be a novel concept.

However, nobody chose to engage him. Most of you just wanted to take a dump on him.

To the OP...

If you are a contractor, we have rules prohibiting pricing discussions in the open forums. You'll need to have a few more posts to apply for professional membership.

Benny.

[smokin68]

I apologize for the question, i'm new to this site. I quess what i'm curios about is how do most of you arrive at your going price. Do you use a multiplier or just ask everyone else what the're charging in your area.


To be competitive you must price it in-line with your competition. Each company arrives at their price differently, from multipliers to WAG.

[OregonYeti]

I sell R-22 by the inch and R-410A by the millimeter. Actually I just charge what my company tells me to charge. Our overhead is more than the refrigerant itself.

[airon]

Recently checked with other contractors in our area and we found all charged a different per pound price for 4 of the basic refrigerants we use.

Checked with multiple wholesalers and also found different pricing on the same day with larger price swings on multiple days.

The price is entirely dependent on how its bought in the wholesale markets. How long its carried in inventory, how often its turned over on our side, etc..

In my opinion its no longer possible for us to set a solid price for refrigerants.
Recently sent another note in our billings to our regular customers in effect saying that refrigerants are a commodity item and will be priced accordingly due to the wide swings we see in our purchase prices and replacement costs of existing stocks.
So we try to price refrigerants based on futures costs in the hopes of maintaining some kind of profit.

[OregonYeti]

It's not like the price of gas, which people buy all the time. And after all we don't sell copper by the yard either.

[erc tech]

Thats a wicked ak-47 and a Bad A*s Cat!!!!

[beenthere]

In my opinion its no longer possible for us to set a solid price for refrigerants.
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Price subject to change without prior notice.

[Airmechanical]

the price for a pound of freon is %^$#&*:eek:



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[Tool-Slinger]

As Contractors, What Is Your Selling Price Per Pound For R22
I need more info to reply.

1] how much do you need.
2] how much money do you have.

I can then run that through my calculator and come up with the appropriate answer.

[LHEBERTLJ]

OK guys, enough with the bullying. I apologize again for the question. I never intended to break the rules. But if we're all honest with ourselves we would all like to know what the other guy is charging. I think it's healthy for our business to know. You can rest assured that wal-mart knows what it's competitors are charging and vice-versa. Why do think their prices are always falling. lol. By knowing, we can remain competitive or on the other end make sure we get what we deserve and not leave to much money on the table. Yes, I kwow there are many variables when pricing our product. I know we all have our own mark-up systems in place. Been there, done that. It was just a simple question that has crossed all of our minds at one time or another. The obvious answer would have been that it is against the RULES!!!!!. Period. There is no need for all the sarcasm. Why can't we support each other in a positive way as an industry and not try to bring each other down? After all, we all live in different areas of the country, no one knows who we are, what would it hurt. I'm always happy to share what my prices are with my competitors, because I like seeing the confusion in their faces when they try to understand how I can charge that much and still sell the job. Here's my secret. Give the customer what they truly want and not just what you as a contractor have to offer.

[BigJon3475]

To many factors for everyone to say well this is why....If you went to a ref. supply forum they could better explain. Even Wal Marts prices fluctuate from region to region and store to store. Supply and demand change prices. Shipping changes prices. Gas prices change prices. Business needs determine prices.

[the dangling wrangler]

OK guys, enough with the bullying. I apologize again for the question. I never intended to break the rules. But if we're all honest with ourselves we would all like to know what the other guy is charging. I think it's healthy for our business to know. You can rest assured that wal-mart knows what it's competitors are charging and vice-versa. Why do think their prices are always falling. lol. By knowing, we can remain competitive or on the other end make sure we get what we deserve and not leave to much money on the table. Yes, I kwow there are many variables when pricing our product. I know we all have our own mark-up systems in place. Been there, done that. It was just a simple question that has crossed all of our minds at one time or another. The obvious answer would have been that it is against the RULES!!!!!. Period. There is no need for all the sarcasm. Why can't we support each other in a positive way as an industry and not try to bring each other down? After all, we all live in different areas of the country, no one knows who we are, what would it hurt. I'm always happy to share what my prices are with my competitors, because I like seeing the confusion in their faces when they try to understand how I can charge that much and still sell the job. Here's my secret. Give the customer what they truly want and not just what you as a contractor have to offer.

You'd get better answers if you register in the Pro or B&M sections.

[Tool-Slinger]

OK guys, enough with the bullying. I apologize again for the question. I never intended to break the rules. But if we're all honest with ourselves we would all like to know what the other guy is charging. I think it's healthy for our business to know. You can rest assured that wal-mart knows what it's competitors are charging and vice-versa. Why do think their prices are always falling. lol. By knowing, we can remain competitive or on the other end make sure we get what we deserve and not leave to much money on the table. Yes, I kwow there are many variables when pricing our product. I know we all have our own mark-up systems in place. Been there, done that. It was just a simple question that has crossed all of our minds at one time or another. The obvious answer would have been that it is against the RULES!!!!!. Period. There is no need for all the sarcasm. Why can't we support each other in a positive way as an industry and not try to bring each other down? After all, we all live in different areas of the country, no one knows who we are, what would it hurt. I'm always happy to share what my prices are with my competitors, because I like seeing the confusion in their faces when they try to understand how I can charge that much and still sell the job. Here's my secret. Give the customer what they truly want and not just what you as a contractor have to offer.
No apology needed, friend, I was just trying to be funny

I am a newbie here and a little fuzzy on the forum rules too.

[hvaclogic]

No apology needed, friend, I was just trying to be funny

I am a newbie here and a little fuzzy on the forum rules too.

See what happened there was you forgot the smiley face.:D

[Tool-Slinger]

See what happened there was you forgot the smiley face.:D
Yes, i will have to print out them directions and keep'em handy. I just found that advanced features thing yesterday, I'll pick it up in the future.

[beenthere]

OK guys, enough with the bullying.


The obvious answer would have been that it is against the RULES!!!!!.

No, that would be the easiest answer.

And we're not known for doing that too often. :)


There is no need for all the sarcasm.

Sometimes if we're not sarcastic, people take us serious. :)


When your post count is high enough, apply for pro membership.


This might violate the rules, but here goes.

We charge more then twice as much for r22 then mrbillpro does.

Some of our competitors only charge acouple bucks more then mrbillpro.


mrbillpro posted what he charges for r22 in the either the biz or tech forum,

[beenthere]

No you can't.

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