Amana or american standard?

[mathieuy]

Which one is better:

Amana ASC13 2.5T
(R22)

or

American standard Allegiance 13 2.5T
(R410A)


which one is the most quiet?

[classical]

The better unit is the one that is properly installed brand is the least important factor.

That said the Amana unit you list is not an Amana product it is a Goodman unit with an Amana tag.

In this instance on just the criteria noise level the Am/Std is better. If you look at the Amana product like the ASX14 it will be comparable but it is R-410A.

[bob hubbard]

I know a/s was rated number one in consumer reports ! Im not sure where amana is rated with consumer reports ? Maybe someone else might know about amana & its reports from the consumers . Bob h

[classical]

As stated here many times consumer reports and J.D. Powers are worthless for evaluating HVAC equipment period end of story!!!

[mathieuy]

The american standard is a "single-speed fan"
The amana is a "dual-speed fan"

Why the American standard is more quiet then Amana?? :)

[classical]

I apologize I don't often sell the 13 SEER units and mistook the ASC for the GSC. The ASC is an Amana and not a Goodman branded Amana. You are correct that the ASC has a 2-speed fan motor and from that aspect alone shld be quieter than the Am/Std at least on cooler days when fan is in low speed.

Go online and check the manuf. specs for DB rating for each model. However at best there will be little discernable difeerence in the percieved noise level.

[bob hubbard]

The better unit is the one that is properly installed brand is the least important factor.

That said the Amana unit you list is not an Amana product it is a Goodman unit with an Amana tag.

In this instance on just the criteria noise level the Am/Std is better. If you look at the Amana product like the ASX14 it will be comparable but it is R-410A.

If your theory about "brand" NOT being important , You should do a search on goodman gmp075 & gmpn 90 plus units ! Brand is important , Look at toyota and honda ! They kicking some serious butt because ford & chev cant seem to build a decent car . Who is amana ? I just dont see them out there ? I see Trane - carrier - Mostly than goodman - rheem etc ...

[Special Ed]

Which one is better:

Amana ASC13 2.5T
(R22)

or

American standard Allegiance 13 2.5T
(R410A)


which one is the most quiet?

Amana. American Standard is over-priced & their warranties don't even come close to Amana's. Wonder why A.S. won't offer the same warranties if their units are the best on the market....

Hmmmmmmmmm.... :eek:

[bob hubbard]

I have two things to say about warranties . First off having everything under warranty is great for the consumer . Not so great for the hvac people trying to make a buck ! And my second answer about the warranties would be comparing General motors just bumped their warrantys up to 5 year 100k because of sales are down ! Consumers are buying Honda & Toyota , Not because thier cheaper But because they dont fal apart after the warrantys up ! SO your Longer warranty doesnt mean Better equipment ! It just means less money in your pocket when it does break down !

[CottyGee]

Egads... After all the preaching about "it's all in the install" now we've got a Pro saying Amana sucks?

Just one question - have you looked at Amana in the past year? Have you seen their new manufacturing facility? Not that I've done either of these things, but the pros I've talked with that have done so have been impressed by what they've seen.


Okay, so it was two questions. Shoot me! LOL

[bob hubbard]

Who said amana sucked ?

[CottyGee]

Who said amana sucked ?
Some guy with the screen name bob hubbard sure seemed to imply that Amana sucks!


You should do a search on goodman gmp075 & gmpn 90 plus units ! Brand is important , Look at toyota and honda ! They kicking some serious butt because ford & chev cant seem to build a decent car . Who is amana ?

[hvaclover]

I have two things to say about warranties . First off having everything under warranty is great for the consumer . Not so great for the hvac people trying to make a buck ! And my second answer about the warranties would be comparing General motors just bumped their warrantys up to 5 year 100k because of sales are down ! Consumers are buying Honda & Toyota , Not because thier cheaper But because they dont fal apart after the warrantys up ! SO your Longer warranty doesnt mean Better equipment ! It just means less money in your pocket when it does break down !

Stop with the automotive comparisons. The hvac field is far different and has it's own unique market personality.

[bob hubbard]

Nope , I never said amana sucked ! I did say that a longer warranty doesnt make any equipment better ! And I dont agree the good installer can keep my pos GMC van outta the shop ! In the furture Please dont assume for me . Thats my wifes job . Bob h

[classical]

I have two things to say about warranties . First off having everything under warranty is great for the consumer . Not so great for the hvac people trying to make a buck ! And my second answer about the warranties would be comparing General motors just bumped their warrantys up to 5 year 100k because of sales are down ! Consumers are buying Honda & Toyota , Not because thier cheaper But because they dont fal apart after the warrantys up ! SO your Longer warranty doesnt mean Better equipment ! It just means less money in your pocket when it does break down !

You have no credentials posted and you are apparently not a pro but you talk about equipment brands.


Your analogy regarding foreign vehicles and American vehicles really doesn't hold up. James posted an interesting thread about recalls and Toyota and Honda had a lot of leaders on that list.

I have driven Fords for decades and never had any significant problems with I have also had no significant problems with my Toyotas. I have however known many with all makes of vehicles that have lots of problems including Toyotas and Hondas.

Blanket statements cannot be made or supported condemning any brand. Amana and Goodman are both excellent products so is Am/Std and most other brands. It is the install that makes a difference not the brand or biased opinion.

[desto1]

american standard.

[hvaclover]

american standard.

American Cars (and I don't include anything outside of GM,Ford and Chrysler).

[CottyGee]

Brand is important , Look at toyota and honda ! They kicking some serious butt because ford & chev cant seem to build a decent car . Who is amana ?
Sorry Bob - no assuming going on here. You equate HVAC brands to car brands and then say "ford & chev cant seem to build a decent car". That is a direct implication that Amana doesn't build a decent HVAC unit.

[bob hubbard]

Sorry Bob - no assuming going on here. You equate HVAC brands to car brands and then say "ford & chev cant seem to build a decent car". That is a direct implication that Amana doesn't build a decent HVAC unit.

Well Cottygee , Im Sorry you cant seem to get from point a to point b without feeling like I put down your amana brand . Thats too bad if you cant get over it . I KNow what I see in the field and when running service or doing sales The major brands are Trane & carrier , after that its goodman - rheem and on down the line . I Been doin this for quite sometime and I cant remember replacing an amana ac or heat pump ? So tell me if their so good why havnt I seen any in the past 20 years ? Bob h

[hvaclover]

Well Cottygee , . I Been doin this for quite sometime and I cant remember replacing an amana ac or heat pump ?

So tell me if their so good why havnt I seen any in the past 20 years ? Bob h

:D Maybe somebvody else got to them first?:rolleyes:

[BaldLoonie]

I grew up in Iowa, 60 miles from the Amana Colonies and home to Amana Refrigeration. If you through a rock anywhere in town, chances are you'd hit an Amana unit :D Only one close in market share was Dave and he built his 60 miles the other direction!

They lost marketshare later on. I think Raytheon had other things on their mind. After the purchase by Goodman, they are getting better known again.

Amana was BIG in heat pumps in the 70s. They made models for Heil, Bryant, Rheem & Trane!

Amana had a full line of 95% AFUE furnaces in 1992. It's 2007, Trane doesn't have one yet :rolleyes:

Back in the 80s Amana had stainless steel heat exchangers in their 80% furnaces and still do. Even Thermopride doesn't offer that.

[CottyGee]

Well Cottygee , Im Sorry you cant seem to get from point a to point b without feeling like I put down your amana brand . Thats too bad if you cant get over it . I KNow what I see in the field and when running service or doing sales The major brands are Trane & carrier , after that its goodman - rheem and on down the line . I Been doin this for quite sometime and I cant remember replacing an amana ac or heat pump ? So tell me if their so good why havnt I seen any in the past 20 years ? Bob h
Good gravy man - it's not that I "can't get over it". It's what you said. And your post above pretty clearly reinforces your opinion. That's fine - you're certainly entitled to your opinion. The only thing I've said is that you said Amana sucks, which - tho you didn't use that exact word - seems to pretty much sum up your position.

I don't know jack about Amana other than what I've read here and what some pros have told me. The short version would something along the lines of Amana did some crappy things once upon a time when they had problems with their stuff, but the new stuff is very promising, very, very competitively priced, and has an outstanding warranty which helps the unit sell itself.

[techace79]

i have been running service for four years now and the only place i have seen an amana is at my own house its five years old and hasnt slowed down one bit. its a three ton gas pac and does a great job even though the installer undersized it. we bought the house with it. oh well fix it when it breaks:D

[elkhvac]

Which one is better:
American standard Allegiance 13 2.5T
(R410A)

I did not think American Standard had the 13 seer with R-410a on the market yet?

[davevava]

Hmmm if i recall Trane is made by American Standard?? am I wrong??

[mathieuy]

On paper, the Amana is better except for one thing: The R22 Freon...

American standard use R410 for the same price (~100$ more)


And the compressor of the Amana is a Scroll compressor (copeland). It's really better?


It's hard to make a choice.

[RoBoTeq]

american standard.

Let's see; Amana is built in the U.S., by American standards.....good choice:cool:

Seriously, I don't know much about the A-S 13 SEER equipment but that Amana is one of the nicest entry level units on the market. Two speed fan, heavy (and I do mean heavy) duty sound blanket, compressor monitor controls etc.

[BaldLoonie]

Here's a question for you Mr. Tequilla!

The ASC13, which as you point out is a very nice unit and has mucho sound deadening methods, has the same SRN as the GSC13 which has no sound deadening components.

The ASX14, which seems to be the same machine but R410a, has considerably lower SRN.

I would guess the ratings were printed wrong in the ASC13 spec sheet online?

[mathieuy]

Thank you everyone.

I think I will go with Amana, even it use R22 instead of R410.

[kevinmac]

I thought AMANA was made by Goodman?

[CottyGee]

I thought AMANA was made by Goodman?
That is true.

Amana® is a trademark of Maytag Corporation and is used under license to Goodman Company, L.P.

[hvaclover]

That is true.

~sigh~

[CottyGee]

~sigh~
Why ~sigh~, hvaclover?

[hvaclover]

Why ~sigh~, hvaclover?

This fight over brand just seems to be never ending...kinda like watching scene after scene of a good action flick

Sure the scenes are entertaining, but it does get old.

[CottyGee]

LOL - I getcha. So your sigh was kind of a pre-emptive sigh then?


Personally, I'm sold on the idea that the install is more important than the brand and that picking from the builder model line in any brand isn't a terrific idea.

[mathieuy]

And what about R22 and R410A??

which one I will choose? :) arghhhh!

[hvaclover]

And what about R22 and R410A??

which one I will choose? :) arghhhh!

Choose R22, just to shake up the thread a little.

[duckman373]

And what about R22 and R410A??

which one I will choose? :) arghhhh!

You missed the initial response, which indicated to go with whoever would install the system properly. I am partial to A/S because I am a dealer, but the Amana line seems to be a well built machine. If you think both companies will do a good install, which one will give you better service down the road? If the companies are evenly talented, flip a coin.

[hvaclover]

You missed the initial response, which indicated to go with whoever would install the system properly. I am partial to A/S because I am a dealer, but the Amana line seems to be a well built machine. If you think both companies will do a good install, which one will give you better service down the road? If the companies are evenly talented, flip a coin.

Naw, get a Westinghouse, they have a ten year warranty on the unit and a buy back gurantee if the compressor goes bad nn the first five years.

[classical]

In answer to the OP's last question R-22 or R-410A; either is the right choice. There are advantages and disadvantages to either refrigerant but at this time either is still a viable option.

You have asked about a condenser and said nothing about an evaporator coil, we all hope that if you are having a new condenser installed that a new evaporator coil is included.

It is very strongly suggested that you have a new evaporator coil installed that matches the new condenser.

If you choose an R-410A unit the evaporator coil and preferably the refrigerant line set should be replaced due to the incompatibility of the oils used with the refrigerant.