UA STAR Certification

[softtail]

Has anyone taken the UA STAR test? Any feedback would be appreciated.

Several local companies are paying over the rate, holidays, and/or vacation for service mechanics with the STAR cert. Not bad for just taking a test.

The local competition for "real good" service mechanics seem to have the good companies paying "extra" to keep their good guys and willing to pay extra to steal talented personnel from other companies. A good thing for the decent service guys.

What's happening else where? Any servicemen shortage issues?

[grendil]

Yes, I have taken it. No one is paying over scale in Boston because of it. It's part of our apprentice Program. Always short on Great Mechanics!!!

[double bubble]

I have taken and passed the test . It covers a lot of areas in hvac for instance if your a chiller tech you may want to study steam heat . And as I always say when taking one of these standardized test it's best to give them the anser there looking for even though you may know a different way .
And no it hasn't made me any more money .

[fireye03]

i have a study guide for it,but i haven't taken it.

[refer1]

Took the test last year. passed it but no change in status, still journeyman.
Company pushes the fact that they have Star Certified techs.
I heard that some guys that had a Serviceman 5 or 1 status (i can't remember) were brought up to journeyman status with all the bennies....

[flemsteele]

Yes, I have taken it. No one is paying over scale in Boston because of it. It's part of our apprentice Program. Always short on Great Mechanics!!!:cool: Who do you work for ? Do you have a 'fro?

[HVAC Teacher]

I was one of the first to take it. It is also part of our Journeyman final exam. Many are being payed overscale as well.

I currently teach a review course for the steamfitter & HVAC/R.

[frozensolid]

I am a UA star, it is a pretty tough test. You need a very wide range of knowlege to pass, and a score of 80% or better. The company I worked for when I took the test, gave me a thousand bucks for passing it.


P.S. The Nate test is no comparison.

[berg2666]

I am a UA star, it is a pretty tough test. You need a very wide range of knowlege to pass, and a score of 80% or better. The company I worked for when I took the test, gave me a thousand bucks for passing it.


P.S. The Nate test is no comparison.


SO is the STAR test better then the NATE test...

[frozensolid]

You can't pass the star with a two hour primer course. Unless you have been doing this for a long time. The star is a much more comprehensive test. You get 32 college credits for passing it.

I personally would rather see a Star type exam as the National standard, than Nate.

Better? I think so.

[flemsteele]

I took the test in April 2003. I believe I got an 85%. They didnt have review courses at the time. I believe I was one of the first, if not the first in my area to take the STAR test.

I get money over scale, but I was getting that before I took the test.

[mallron]

I took and passed the test in March or April of '06. I don't think it was extremely difficult, but I did take more than one study course for it. The test is 199 questions and covers the trade from the rudda to the tudda.

Some shops in this area require you to have the STAR cert or pass the test soon after being hired. Many also pay over-scale and of course some couldn't care less about you passing a test.

I think I stored a 91% or 92%, not sure. Flem- I think your test was much more difficult than the test I took. They have revamped the test several times since you took it in '03.

-JB

[uke]

Took it last year. Pretty hard , need to take some courses. I believe, passing rate in my area is around 20%. As far as getting more money, it all depends on employer and your location. I didn't get anything extra. But rumours are that in my shop every journymen has to be certified by the end of next year. And also I think that it will beeasier to find a job for a certified tech.

[mrhvacmechanic]

Can any study gude be purchased or downloaded for the test?

[flemsteele]

Can any study gude be purchased or downloaded for the test?You got e-mail addy? I think I still have the study guide.
I can email it if you like!

[slimwoodie]

i'd like to see that ...:)

[uke]

I believe they have study preparation guide . I think I still might have a copy on paper and cd. I do not know how much space does it take cause if I remember corectly it has over 100 pages. Let me know I'll try to download it on my PC and e-mail it.

[HVACJOEK]

Developed jointly by the United Association and Ferris State University, Big Rapids, Michigan.

All Service Technicians are eligible (applicants must have at least five years experience)

The examination consists of 199 questions in the following categories:

Mechanical 18 Ventilation 9

Heating 19 Electrical 30

Piping 12 Controls 37

Customer Services 3 Lifting Equipment 4

Mathematics 15 Steam Systems 5

AC & Refrigeration 39 Safety 8

Remember that union competes against non union for market share of work out there a larger union is a stronger union which can provide even better benefits.

Do not share any books or manuals that were developed by the UA for the UA without permission from the UA first.

[mallron]

Joe K is right. Even though we've gotten in the habit of helping each other out, we need to remember that union and non-union contractors are in direct competition with each other.

Don't share UA study materials with non-UA members.

-JB

[slimwoodie]

Remember that union competes against non union for market share of work out there a larger union is a stronger union which can provide even better benefits.

Do not share any books or manuals that were developed by the UA for the UA without permission from the UA first.


I wouldn't view the Select few who post here ...

as Your competition, Joe .......

but ..I'll make sure when viewing your post's...
to keep my 35 years of experience...in my pocket

[slimwoodie]

i guess I'll ask one of the 2 Union fitters working for me right now for a copy.......

seems thier Local can't keep them employed :(

[johnl45]

UA S.T.A.R. Study guide

http://www.ua342.org/docs/UAStar_HVACR_Guide.pdf

[HVACJOEK]

I wouldn't view the Select few who post here ...

as Your competition, Joe .......

but ..I'll make sure when viewing your post's...
to keep my 35 years of experience...in my pocket

I don't view any one as my competition ... and you can add my 33 years to your pocket as well. :cool:

[slimwoodie]

just outta curiosity ...

do you know what your Local charges you to Administer the Benefit Pkg you get ...??

most guy's seem to think the Local exist's on Dues ..

Most have no idea where the Real money comes from...

for example, the Local here ..

charges 40% to administer that Pkg ...

YOWSER ..!!!

[HVACJOEK]

Yes I do. We all get a quarterly newsletter and the right to go down in person to review the financial records.

[mallron]

slimwoodie-

Why all the hard feelings? UA study materials were developed at the cost of the UA for the benefit of UA members. Joe was simply stating that fact. Why does that upset you?

-JB

[slimwoodie]

there aren't any hard feelings ......

most of My friends are in the local
i quit years ago ....

why, I ... have even done the Steam Trap Training & Sizing seminar more than a few times.......
and .....
I don't view it as "training the competition"
I view it as helping a Individual, be a better mechanic...

i was simply curious how they had changed the ciriculum


'round here, work is slow, and the guy's are pretty bent about the money to administer the pkg
esp. after a couple months of layoff, when they have to pay $600/mo for benefits

that, and Target Money ...
essentially, the mechanics are buying thier job, at a dollar an hour .....

a little work around here would go a long way

[scottsacavsfan]

Who do I see to take this test?
I would like to see how I stack up
I did well on the NATE test but from what I hear that doesnt really count

[slimwoodie]

uh-oh .....

[grendil]

:cool: Who do you work for ? Do you have a 'fro?
No, I don't and get your head out os your A$$. Our pakage now is $76 cost to our Contractors, if we need a test to get overscale your not worth it!!!
Plenty of techs with many Liscense but couldn't fix a rooftop, matter of fact i can think of a Couple of officers that fit that description.

[flemsteele]

No, I don't and get your head out os your A$$. Our pakage now is $76 cost to our Contractors, if we need a test to get overscale your not worth it!!!
Plenty of techs with many Liscense but couldn't fix a rooftop, matter of fact i can think of a Couple of officers that fit that description.Who said anything about needing a test to get overscale? A reading comprehension course may be in your future.

[absrbrtek]

It always does, your wasting your breath discussing it with him. I gave up years ago, he has his opinion and I have mine. :)
slimwoodie-

Why all the hard feelings? UA study materials were developed at the cost of the UA for the benefit of UA members. Joe was simply stating that fact. Why does that upset you?

-JB

[absrbrtek]

Who pissed in your Cherios? Looked to me like Flemsteele thought he might have known you and was just asking.
No, I don't and get your head out os your A$$. Our pakage now is $76 cost to our Contractors, if we need a test to get overscale your not worth it!!!
Plenty of techs with many Liscense but couldn't fix a rooftop, matter of fact i can think of a Couple of officers that fit that description.

[mrhvacmechanic]

Any reason study guide download freezes?

[onetime]

Well I've jumped into this Nate/Star test debate before, Nate is residential/light commerical and the Star is Commerical/Industrial. The Star for me was far more difficult, we took it in 2002 and they wouldn't let us have calculators or the formula sheet they let you have now, we spent a lot of time memorizing formulas we didn't use. Oh well we passed 9 of 10 and have a preety good study plan know, we're passing 65% of the test. No contractors here paying overscale for passing the test, but many good tech's get overscale already.

The download has always worked for me.

As I understand it this is the only HVAC test that is ISO9000 and ANSI certified.

They tell me there is a pool of 500 questions randomly drawn for the test.

[bertoh]

i am sure slime woodie got the best in the local

[grendil]

Who said anything about needing a test to get overscale? A reading comprehension course may be in your future.

With a fro comment you must work for the Great pretenders:
Comm/Emcor/Local 3 BTE, scab using Co.

:D

[grendil]

Who pissed in your Cherios? Looked to me like Flemsteele thought he might have known you and was just asking.

The Fro didn't tip you off.

[flemsteele]

With a fro comment you must work for the Great pretenders:
Comm/Emcor/Local 3 BTE, scab using Co.

:D
Ah No! The Great Pretnders? Oh let me go out on a limb here, you must work for a Manufacturer? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,I'm impressed. You need to lighten up. I am so sorry for not showing " proper respect" to an obviously know it all factory tech. Having worked for a factory shop, you are by far the most knowledgable tech's (tongue is firmly planted in cheek).

[slimwoodie]

i am sure slime woodie got the best in the local

Biz ...

be so Bad here ..

friends, who haven't had an unpaid day, since, say ..

1980 ...

got the axe..

I can always use somebody who can just "put up pipe "

'cause..

that's all you learn .. in the Union ...:)

hug's .....errr......

Buddy .......

[slimwoodie]

i am sure slime woodie got the best in the local


bertoh bertoh is offline
Member

Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 70
slimwoodie, what is BFP?
ps one pipe systems dont have receivers or traps


I guess ...
we know ... YOUR skill level ..

Eh ..??

[slimwoodie]

Boiler Feed Pump ....:mad:

[slimwoodie]

shoulda gone to the " Steam Trap troubleshhooting, and Sizing class"


i held for the Local .....:(

[slimwoodie]

Ooooohhhh .....

that's Right ....

I'm not a Member ...Anymore

I shouldn't .....

Train ...Individuals ....

to... be Better .. Mechanic's ....

'Cause the UA didn't
PAY ME

[slimwoodie]

.

[mrhvacmechanic]

I have no problem on this end when I download. Pages 11 thru 18 don't download. Also when I go to save it, bar on bottom of screen says done but doesn't completly fill bar graph.

[onetime]

I have no problem on this end when I download. Pages 11 thru 18 don't download. Also when I go to save it, bar on bottom of screen says done but doesn't completly fill bar graph.

If you still can't get them let me know, I'll be happy to e-mail them to a UA address. Your training coordinator should have them as well.

[absrbrtek]

Are you serious? A UA address. The sample test has been around the net for at least two years. They are not anything "secret", they are pretty much out in the public domain by this point in time. Not like the secret UA handshake.
If you still can't get them let me know, I'll be happy to e-mail them to a UA address. Your training coordinator should have them as well.

[mrhvacmechanic]

Onetime,
I will call our union hall to see if one is available. I'm taking test in May and have three classes at hall before I take test. Maybe they are going to give it out at class? Thanks.

[grendil]

Ah No! The Great Pretnders? Oh let me go out on a limb here, you must work for a Manufacturer? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,I'm impressed. You need to lighten up. I am so sorry for not showing " proper respect" to an obviously know it all factory tech. Having worked for a factory shop, you are by far the most knowledgable tech's (tongue is firmly planted in cheek).

Correct!!! But 10 Yrs with a independent. We just have better 800#s.
The ratings you must work for the bottom
1) Trane
2) carrier
3) York
25) Comm/Emcor
26) F. Williams
27) Grinell

[bertoh]

seems like i got your temper up slimewoodie, take it easy pops , dont want that blood pressure getting too high. you do have medical , dont you? do the boys have it.as far as your oneline answers ie. BFP. bravo, bravo. i have some acronyms for you.SYH. shut your h*le

[slimwoodie]

just bustin' yer ball's, Bud ..

ta see what kinda " Woodie " ... You'll get ....:D :D :D

sometimes ..

you guy's take this Union Chit ..

way... too serious ....

we're all in the same business ...:)

[flemsteele]

Correct!!! But 10 Yrs with a independent. We just have better 800#s.
The ratings you must work for the bottom
1) Trane
2) carrier
3) York
25) Comm/Emcor
26) F. Williams
27) Grinell
Hell know. NONE of the above. Grinnell is the pits. Who do you work for. You show me yours and I'll show you mine.

[grendil]

Hell know. NONE of the above. Grinnell is the pits. Who do you work for. You show me yours and I'll show you mine.

I did work for one of the Independents listed and wish I never left. (W)
Now I work for a Mech Co 537/ local 12 Company.:D

[flemsteele]

I did work for one of the Independents listed and wish I never left. (W)
Now I work for a Mech Co 537/ local 12 Company.:D
Which Turd chasing company do you work for?

[grendil]

Please, the only Co that can do Fitting,Refer,Sprinklrs and Turd Cleaning!!

[flemsteele]

Please, the only Co that can do Fitting,Refer,Sprinklrs and Turd Cleaning!!Gallagher?

[grendil]

Gallagher?

Duggan!

[flemsteele]

Duggan!
You work for Jack T?

[grendil]

You work for Jack T?

You could say that. ACS when he works!!! And You

[flemsteele]

You could say that. ACS when he works!!! And You
How long have you worked for Jack? I was supposed to start that with him @ Duggan.

[flemsteele]

How long have you worked for Jack? I was supposed to start that with him @ Duggan. He still doing the part time thing? Good to be king!

[grendil]

How long have you worked for Jack? I was supposed to start that with him @ Duggan.

Well if you ask Jeff, he would say your a lucky Man. Not Long. Don't know if you will get it what I wrote.

[flemsteele]

Well if you ask Jeff, he would say your a lucky Man. Not Long. Don't know if you will get it what I wrote.
Oh I GET IT!

[flemsteele]

Oh I GET IT! That wasn't the ideal business partnership.

[grendil]

That wasn't the ideal business partnership.

Ok so I see you have been around. Vote for Brian Kelley!!!

[flemsteele]

Ok so I see you have been around. Vote for Brian Kelley!!!Oh yeah I will. You cant be doing too much big tonnage work @ Duggan?

[grendil]

Oh yeah I will. You cant be doing too much big tonnage work @ Duggan?

Hardly, I want to go back to a Blue Van Company. New Manager, but heard they just laid a guy off. Go back to a original post about officer having all the liscenses but couldn't repair a shoe, i was seeing if you picked it up or thought who I was speaking of.

[flemsteele]

Hardly, I want to go back to a Blue Van Company. New Manager, but heard they just laid a guy off. Go back to a original post about officer having all the liscenses but couldn't repair a shoe, i was seeing if you picked it up or thought who I was speaking of.New mgr? @ FW?

[flemsteele]

New mgr? @ FW?As far as officers you must be speaking of TK?

[grendil]

New mgr? @ FW?

Not so new at FWI but I wasn't there while he has been.

[flemsteele]

Not so new at FWI but I wasn't there while he has been.
Blue Vans? Not sure which co. you speak.

[grendil]

As far as officers you must be speaking of TK?

Oh no BY. Williams Inc.

[flemsteele]

Oh no BY. Williams Inc.Yeah I know BY. Nice guy. You not liking Duggan. I hear FW is a little, regimented might be the word.

[grendil]

Yeah I know BY. Nice guy. You not liking Duggan. I hear FW is a little, regimented might be the word.

Yeah that might be true, but to think he reps me just kills me. Not to bash your friend but useless.

Yes, they are but I heard the new SManger has softned it and is a 537 gent.
They get nice work, and Train Train there Guys. But they are owned by a huge power Co. we shall see. Your employment?

[flemsteele]

Yeah that might be true, but to think he reps me just kills me. Not to bash your friend but useless.

Yes, they are but I heard the new SManger has softned it and is a 537 gent.
They get nice work, and Train Train there Guys. But they are owned by a huge power Co. we shall see. Your employment?Right around the corner from your office.

[grendil]

Right around the corner from your office.

Cesco, Emcor, ENE, Siemens.

[flemsteele]

Cesco, Emcor, ENE, Siemens.CESCO

[absrbrtek]

If Im not mistaken he is orange.
Cesco, Emcor, ENE, Siemens.

[grendil]

CESCO

Oooh, I heard they were a tuff shop.

[flemsteele]

If Im not mistaken he is orange.Not anymore. The corporate world s*cks

[flemsteele]

Oooh, I heard they were a tuff shop.Not too bad. Good work , great perks and plenty of OT

[grendil]

Not anymore. The corporate world s*cks

I hear that.. I'm out

[HVACJOEK]

Organizing
What is Organizing?
The common term for a group of workers looking to join a union is “Organizing.”

Workers organize for various reasons, be it to improve their working conditions,

increase their pay or benefits, and/or to create a better working environment. UA

Local 112 encourages you to read more about us to see if joining our union is right

for you and/or your coworkers.

Our Mission
Our Founder’s Mission was to achieve unity of action among all workers in the

industry, to meet the needs of construction workers, and to elevate the conditions

of life and labor for working people.
We must honor, respect, and never forget their sacrifices and dedication to our

industry. We must continue their fight for working people and never let the union

die.

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The American Promise is that if we go to school, work hard, and become a

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1. Attend any union meeting, park across the street from the hall or
engage in any undercover activity which would indicate that the
employees are being kept under surveillance to determine who is and
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2. Tell employees that the company will fire or punish them if they
engage in union activity.
3. Lay off, discharge, discipline any employee for union activity.
4. Grant employees wage increases, special concessions or benefits in
order to keep the union out.
5. Bar employee-union representatives from soliciting employees’
memberships on or off the company property during non-waking hours.
6. Ask employees about union matters, meetings, etc. (Some employees
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7. Ask employees what they think about the union or a union
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8. Ask employees how they intend to vote.
9. Threaten employees with reprisal for participating in union activities.
For example, threaten to move the plant or close the business, curtail
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10. Promise benefits to employees if they reject the union.
11. Give financial support or other assistance to a union.
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13. Threaten to close, in fact close, or move plant in order to avoid
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14. Ask employees whether or not they belong to a union, or have signed
up for union representation.
15. Ask an employee, during the hiring interview, about his affiliation with
a labor organization or how he feels about unions.
16. Make anti-union statements or act in a way that might show
preference for a non-union man.
17. Make distinctions between union and non-union employees when
assigning overtime work or desirable work.
18. Purposely team up non-union men and keep them apart from those
supporting the union.
19. Transfer workers on the basis of union affiliations or activities.
20. Choose employees to be laid off in order to weaken the union’s
strength or discourage membership in the union.
21. Discriminate against union people when disciplining employees.
22. By nature of work assignments, create conditions intended to get rid
of an employee because of his union activity.
23. Fail to grant a scheduled benefit or wage increase because of union
activity.
24. Deviate from company policy for the purpose of getting rid of a union
supporter.
25. Take action that adversely affects an employee’s job or pay rate
because of union activity.
26. Threaten workers or coerce them in an attempt to influence their
vote.
27. Threaten a union member through a third party.
28. Promise employees a reward or future benefit if they decide “no
union”.
29. Tell employees overtime work (and premium pay) will be discontinued
if the plant is unionized.
30. Say unionization will force the company to lay off employees
31. Say unionization will do away with vacations or other benefits and
privileges presently in effect.
32. Promise employees promotions, raises or other benefits if they get out
of the union or refrain from joining the union.
33. Start a petition or circular against the union or encourage or take
part in its circulation if started by employees.
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35. Visit the homes of employees to urge them to reject the union.

:cool:

[HVACJOEK]

Plumbers and Pipefitters Local 112

Application Process
The Plumbers and Pipefitters Local 112 Joint Apprenticeship Committee conducts

continuous recruitment.

Applications are available at the Plumbers and Pipefitters Local Union # 112

Training Center, 11 Griswold St. Binghamton, NY from 8:30 a.m. to 4:00 p.m., on

the first working Monday of each month during the recruitment period and must be

filled out in person. Applications filled out at the Training Center are for the

Souththern Zone Apprenticeship Program only.

Applications are also available at the Local 112 Northern Zone Office, 301 Bleecker

St. Utica, NY from 8:30 a.m. to 4:00 p.m., the first working Wednesday of each

month during the recruitment period and must be filled out in person. Applications

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• Be at least 18 years old.
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• Sign an affidavit stating they are physically able to do the work.
• Sign an affidavit stating they are of age and have met minimum
educational requirements
• Take a physical exam at the committee’s expense – if accepted for the
program.

For further information call (607) 772-0344 or (607) 723-9593 :cool:

[slimwoodie]

thanks for the pep talk, Joe....

i'll be working in local 112 territory tomorrow ....

doing a job for a Non-Union contractor, maybe I'll stop in an' apply

got any jobs at $120/hr ..???

[double bubble]

Thanks for the post hvac joe I moved to South Carolina about a year ago and encountered 15,16,and18 . It sucks that most people believe unions drove manufacturing overseas . Truth is corporate greed . I think it's starting to sink in now that even non union could compete with a dollar a day .

[HVACJOEK]

thanks for the pep talk, Joe....

i'll be working in local 112 territory tomorrow ....

doing a job for a Non-Union contractor, maybe I'll stop in an' apply

got any jobs at $120/hr ..???



I don't know you at all slimwoodie but from your post one quote come to mind, that fit you to a tee.


“If you can't impress them with your intelligents, then baffle them with your Bull****" :cool:

[piledriver]

I don't know you at all slimwoodie but from your post one quote come to mind, that fit you to a tee.


“If you can't impress them with your intelligents, then baffle them with your Bull****" :cool:



LOL, HOLY #HIT

[absrbrtek]

Wasn't that the shop you left to go orange?
Oooh, I heard they were a tuff shop.

[flemsteele]

Wasn't that the shop you left to go orange?It sure is. They changed management of the service techs to someone who knows how to manage, they asked me to come back and gave me more$$$$.
It is working out pretty well. The corp. world....they do things very "differently". It is all about the bottom line, which is fine BUT you have give the customer his money's worth.:cool:

[grendil]

It sure is. They changed management of the service techs to someone who knows how to manage, they asked me to come back and gave me more$$$$.
It is working out pretty well. The corp. world....they do things very "differently". It is all about the bottom line, which is fine BUT you have give the customer his money's worth.:cool:

Orange who the heck is Orange?

[flemsteele]

Orange who the heck is Orange?
CHOO CHOO!

[supertek65]

I also took it and got an 87 %.
I got a 40 % in steam heat, but i did not study nor do i have the ua books to study from.
my friend dave got a 93%.
i think that is the best score around here.
I have taken the rses cms exam 3 times got a 71-72-78. one more time!!!!!!!!!!
by the way 10 of us went to take the star exam and 6 of us passed.
our boss gave us $500.

[chillerout1]

U.A. S.T.A.R. test is open to anybody that wants to paythe fee and go to the union training school and take it. but they probably will catch hell from the union guys. I am all for everybody getting better union or not too many people think they can work on this equipment that dont know howto install or repair it.

[Roscoe]

How do you think the U.A.Star and the RSES C.M. or C.M.S. compare

[frozensolid]

U.A. S.T.A.R. test is open to anybody that wants to paythe fee and go to the union training school and take it. but they probably will catch hell from the union guys. I am all for everybody getting better union or not too many people think they can work on this equipment that dont know howto install or repair it.

The controls are the killer.

[slimwoodie]

I don't know you at all slimwoodie but from your post one quote come to mind, that fit you to a tee.


“If you can't impress them with your intelligents, then baffle them with your Bull****" :cool:


well, JoeWhatever ..

Everyones entitled to an Opinion ...

wanna trade Insult's ...??

by the way ...

are you a Mechanic, or .... an Organizer ..???

'cause you don't talk like a Mechanic

[Roscoe]

ahhhhhhhhhh hey hvacjoe better put you mommy on speed dial your gonna need her...................:D




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now

will someone please answer my question or is it that nobody has both the star and c.m.

[slimwoodie]

I don't know you at all slimwoodie but from your post one quote come to mind, that fit you to a tee.


“If you can't impress them with your intelligents, then baffle them with your Bull****" :cool:


Insult's ...?? OK ..

let Me go first ....

I can tell from our short conversation that You do not have many fault's..

But .. You sure make the best of the ones you have .....:D :D :D

Your turn, Mr. Organizer ....:)

[grendil]

CHOO CHOO!

Got it!! Big defection at Trane I hear, A new Comm Air starting up on Monday.

[flemsteele]

Got it!! Big defection at Trane I hear, A new Comm Air starting up on Monday.
Really? I heard that TD left Emcor, he was ops mgr. Who left TRANE?

[grendil]

Really? I heard that TD left Emcor, he was ops mgr. Who left TRANE?

Yes, doors openeing on Monday. I bet the $$ are coming from F.N, we shall see when his Contract Runs out.

Trane (Cunningham).

[supertek65]

How do you think the U.A.Star and the RSES C.M. or C.M.S. compare

The star exam is in between nate and the cm exam somewhere.
The CMS exam is much more difficult!
There are no heating questions on the CM exam.There are also no stupid questions like; what is the green bottle or which way do you open your manifold ! like on the star. About 60-100 of the star questions are for first year apprentices,
There are about 30 very difficult questions and about 80 questions any third year guy should know.
I think just about anybody could get a 70%
unfortunately 80 is passing.
Frank

[flemsteele]

Yes, doors openeing on Monday. I bet the $$ are coming from F.N, we shall see when his Contract Runs out.

Trane (Cunningham).
I talked to SC last week, is going to this new co.? I don't think so. The writing was on the wall for awhile for SC. He was good to me when I worked for him. He would help anybody if they asked him. He deserved more than what he got there.

[Roscoe]

The star exam is in between nate and the cm exam somewhere.
The CMS exam is much more difficult!
There are no heating questions on the CM exam.There are also no stupid questions like; what is the green bottle or which way do you open your manifold ! like on the star. About 60-100 of the star questions are for first year apprentices,
There are about 30 very difficult questions and about 80 questions any third year guy should know.
I think just about anybody could get a 70%
unfortunately 80 is passing.
Frank

Thanks for the response I have the cm and nate was wondering about ua star. I think I will go for the cms.I understand it's real difficult. We have a guy in our rses chapter that is a cms-6 thats scary.... Thanks again

[grendil]

I talked to SC last week, is going to this new co.? I don't think so. The writing was on the wall for awhile for SC. He was good to me when I worked for him. He would help anybody if they asked him. He deserved more than what he got there.

I'm not sure about SC, I just heard the rumor mill. I have no idea where he will end up, but I do know he's a great mech.

[supertek65]

Thanks for the response I have the cm and nate was wondering about ua star. I think I will go for the cms.I understand it's real difficult. We have a guy in our rses chapter that is a cms-6 thats scary.... Thanks again

6 I can not even dream of that!
I will pass the commercial a/c next time, I am positive.
I think I could pass electrical and domestic refrigeration, more than likely heating and heat pump!
I don't know about controls and dynamic compressors!
Either way, I can only take them once or twice a year at conventions.
Looks like about a 6 to 10 year deal!
Frank

[supertek65]

I'm not sure about SC, I just heard the rumor mill. I have no idea where he will end up, but I do know he's a great mech.

Where are you from?