Is it right?

[frozensolid]

lets see. Public Poll.

[The Doctor]

perhaps the framers of the question would prefer sending lawyers to defang the extremist elements, armed with subpoenas.

[frozensolid]

Or the framer just thinks men who would not serve in war, should not send others.

[isitfixedyet]

When the time comes for war,and were not talking about defenseless countries like iraq, without weapons of mass delusion, being sneaked outwhile we stand by and magically watch? lol

everyone, that needs a gun , will be dead, for being called a terrorist or a threat, by neo-conservatist, saying that theyre saving somones life, after doing a poll, lol

and it will be korea that will probably invade the homeland right here in the heartland!
and the chicken little antic coward wont do nothing about it, but try to bribe them, with his lunch money and your tax dollars! lol

best thing to do is go run and vote for the same type of agenda carrying politician, again, if u didnt get enough!
:confused: :eek: :mad: :D


Welcome to the real America - and not the fake, idealised dream propagated by the media, the crypto-fascist government currently controlled by neo-conservatives (and not TRUE conservatives) like George W. Bush (the first American Emperor), and the anti-American economy controlled by the multi-national corporations. The real America, which I propose to advocate, is a multi-colored affair, stranger than India, riotous, secretive and hermetic, un-optimistic (in spite of our official ideology), and containing - in the words of William Burroughs - a "dark psychotic heart

[The Doctor]

Or the framer just thinks men who would not serve in war, should not send others.

right, got it. so are we going somewhere with this info? I mean...seeing how we are ALREADY at war and all...
is this just for future reference?
remember 9/11. I think it changed a lot of things. Not sure that we'd be where we are today if not for that. So here we sit with the luxury of
moral consistency...

[HOT SHOT]

and were not talking about defenseless countries like iraq,


and it will be korea that will probably invade the homeland right here in the heartland!


You do know crack is illeagal right? D@mn! I feel like I'm in the twilight zone now!!! We all know Iraq wasn't a defenseless country, so I assume you're referring to our military being so superior that they didn't stand a chance... and then turn around and say a bunch of floozies like Korea will be the one to invade this great nation??!!!

[James 3528]

It all started with Abe Lincoln....damn him and his intentions. Then there was that Franklin D. Roosevelt guy. Then Bill Clinton....

When did "children" get sent to war?




What another stupid friggin poll.

[chillbilly]

Too stupid to elicit any further response.

[mrs reb77]

At present our military is all volunteer. I don't think anyone is forced to serve anymore. Do you? And I don't mean by economics etc., I mean conscription. Since our military is all volunteer and it is generally military that participates in war this pretty much becomes a moot point. Don't join, don't go. It is NOT just a job after all.

[acmanko]

they certainly should, it's better then someone who has fought, considering a warrior would be more likely to favor constant war.

[frozensolid]

they certainly should, it's better then someone who has fought, considering a warrior would be more likely to favor constant war.

A warrior has been there and will understand the cost's.

[bootlen]

they certainly should, it's better then someone who has fought, considering a warrior would be more likely to favor constant war.

There he is. The ol' acmanko we all know is ignorant.

Ya ever been in combat, ac?

Didn't think so.

Nobody hates war more than those who serve militarily.

You are excused for ignorance. If you post that idea again, it will be out of stupidity. There is NO excuse for stupidity.

[acmanko]

Not everyone in the military is considered a warrior, more then likely they joined becuse they could not find a job in the civilian sector.

[mrs reb77]

Now THAT was just an ignorant insult.

[bootlen]

Not everyone in the military is considered a warrior, more then likely they joined becuse they could not find a job in the civilian sector.

Okay, now THAT is stupidity. I suppose in all your military service to this nation, you met MOST military people and have drawn your really stupid conclusion.

[acmanko]

well, what kind of job could you find in 1968

[bootlen]

I wasn't looking. I was a student when I joined in 1967.

You have a point?

[acmanko]

were you failing basic understanding

[bootlen]

Nope. I enlisted, ac. You know (or maybe you don't)...I volunteered.

[acmanko]

so, whats your problem, I agree with Bush's right to send men to war, and he dodged the same war you fought in. at least when I was growing up in Alabama in 1968 I don't remember VC running loose in Mobile

[bootlen]

W served. You libs keep missing that one.

[acmanko]

reread the question, I did'nt miss anything

[chillbilly]

so, whats your problem, I agree with Bush's right to send men to war, and he dodged the same war you fought in. at least when I was growing up in Alabama in 1968 I don't remember VC running loose in Mobile


Think outside the box. Is Mobile, Alabama the only place on Earth?
You've obviously lived a charmed life.
Your problem is in your lack of understanding that the world does not revolve around you.
People just like you die every day hoping to find peace and freedom.
Do you deserve to live in peace any more than they do?
NO. You are here by grace.
Just because there are terrible results when a president sends men to war, doesn't mean that the cause is not a good one.

[acmanko]

It's you, my friend with the brain in the box. I was not in South Al. in 1968, Mr. Bush was. Campaining for a family friend, but I believe its better for a man that's never fought in war to send young men to war, in other words I SUPPORT the PRESIDENT.

[bootlen]

It's you, my friend with the brain in the box. I was not in South Al. in 1968, Mr. Bush was. Campaining for a family friend, but I believe its better for a man that's never fought in war to send young men to war, in other words I SUPPORT the PRESIDENT.

And W had already served and met all requirements to be discharged. Oh, yeah...you missed something, alright.

[acmanko]

this was the original question. In the late sixties one could legally dodge the Vietnam war by 1. joining the National Gaurd or 2. enroll in collge. Bush took route 1, Clinton took route 2

[bootlen]

this was the original question. In the late sixties one could legally dodge the Vietnam war by 1. joining the National Gaurd or 2. enroll in collge. Bush took route 1, Clinton took route 2


No guarantee of either of these being a way to miss out on the fun.

BTW, I think Billyboy left the country in fear.

[acmanko]

possibly, but you don't get paid to think.

[bootlen]

possibly, but you don't get paid to think.

Sure I do. You don't?

[chillbilly]

You're comparing apples and oranges.

Clinton loathed all things military and prodded anyone with influence to keep him out of the service.

George Bush respected all things military and was given special consideration while in the service to keep him out of VN.

Sharp contrast there. See the differences? One prez did his military service and even got a pilots wings.
The other stayed in England smoking dope that he was too stupid to inhale and grew bigger chicken wings.

You want to get back to the original question and I don't blame you.

[acmanko]

If both are or were Presidents it makes it apples to apples, when you think you sound stupid like Bootlen. I suppose you were military also. Dumd F-ck, could not find a job so you enlisted. what a shame.

[chillbilly]

Are you still babbling?
Youi wouldn't recognize a point if it pierced your arse.

[hvactech13]

When the time comes for war,and were not talking about defenseless countries like iraq, without weapons of mass delusion, being sneaked outwhile we stand by and magically watch? lol
everyone, that needs a gun , will be dead, for being called a terrorist or a threat, by neo-conservatist, saying that theyre saving somones life, after doing a poll, lol
and it will be korea that will probably invade the homeland right here in the heartland!
and the chicken little antic coward wont do nothing about it, but try to bribe them, with his lunch money and your tax dollars! lol
best thing to do is go run and vote for the same type of agenda carrying politician, again, if u didnt get enough!
:confused: :eek: :mad: :D
Welcome to the real America - and not the fake, idealised dream propagated by the media, the crypto-fascist government currently controlled by neo-conservatives (and not TRUE conservatives) like George W. Bush (the first American Emperor), and the anti-American economy controlled by the multi-national corporations. The real America, which I propose to advocate, is a multi-colored affair, stranger than India, riotous, secretive and hermetic, un-optimistic (in spite of our official ideology), and containing - in the words of William Burroughs - a "dark psychotic heart

Once again someone has been smokin' twinkies and freebasing kibbles n' bits!!! Take your Clozapine regularly, it will prevent incidents like this from happening!:D


And as for you
If both are or were Presidents it makes it apples to apples, when you think you sound stupid like Bootlen. I suppose you were military also. Dumd F-ck, could not find a job so you enlisted. what a shame.

Do you have the intellect to understand that you have just insulted every man and woman who ever served in the military?? It is called "Honor, Courage and Commitment!" you Dumb@ss, not because they couldn't find a job, it is a sense of duty!! "America, love it or leave it!" Don't let the door hit ya on your way out Red!

[mrs reb77]

Wow, I cannot believe I heard what I just heard ole acmanko spout.
That just takes the cake. A troop spitter are you? I'm from a family proud of their Military Service members. Still have a few in as a matter of fact, and husband just retired out last year after 22+ yrs. Oh, and by the way, he 'gots a good job', always has had and is a very intelligent individual. He has a brother and a sister and they were ALL in the Air Force. Not cause they couldn't find anything else. Brother is in crypto, still works government contracts. I think there are many members here that would like to physically make you eat those words yellow belly.

[smokin68]

This poll is a double-edged sword. If you say no, then someone elected president who was a military dodger can't declare war, leaving us vulnerable. If yes, then a do as I say, not as I do. Can't go with doesn't matter either because it always matters when a huge decision like this is made.:confused:

[mrs reb77]

You're right--there is no correct answer, the initially stated 'question' of the poll doesn't leave room for a real personal opinion on what we all really think. Something more along the lines of "Should anyone that actively avoided military duty during draft years be allowed to command troops?" may be a little easier to give your personal opinion on. In my opinion, if we call them children then they had no right volunteering for the military in the first place. This is still a volunteer Military--no one is forced to join.

[RoBoTeq]

Assuming the liberal term "children" is referring to the adult offspring of others and not underaged children, I will vote on this poll.

Now; since "yes" and "doesn't matter" boil down to one and the same, these two catagories need to be added together against the "no" votes.

[hvacbear]

I think the real question should be should draft dodgers be elected? If they are not they cannot declare war!

It seems that every time some one speaks about the military volunteer force comes up.
While the military is a volunteer force and everyone realizes the risk of combat it burns me up when a news anchor (who would love to report our guys for “war crimes”) gets two weeks of national mourning, and first class exposure for getting killed by a roadside bomb, and our young people who die at the end of a 16 hour fire fight through hell are never mentioned.

[frozensolid]

Nobody hates war more than those who serve militarily.



I agree. The only vets I know that like war are the Mercenary types and those who served in peace.

[James 3528]

I agree. The only vets I know that like war are the Mercenary types and those who served in peace.

WTF does that mean?

[bootlen]

Do you have the intellect to understand


Ya gotta remember, James. This is acmanko you are talking to. "Intellect" and and "acmanko" go together like fire and water. When mixed, either one of them is extinguished or the other vaporizes.

[coolwhip]

Arms are for hugging.:)

[chillbilly]

If both are or were Presidents it makes it apples to apples, when you think you sound stupid like Bootlen. I suppose you were military also. Dumd F-ck, could not find a job so you enlisted. what a shame.

Nah, I wasn't military. The repeated history of military service stopped at me.
I did watch my mom cry for my oldest brother in VN and I knew of her worry about my father in WW2.
I have an undying respect and a feeling of gratitude for every single branch and member of our military.
None of them were/are 'dum-fuks' as you charachterize them.
In fact, they were/are very intelligent men who have/had a sense of direction and purpose unlike many of the kids and charachters I see these days.

I find mankow's statement vile enough to warrant an a$$ whipping.
I'm sure John Kerry would be very proud of you mankow.

[acmanko]

wow what a bunch of denial. a small history. father serves ww2 navy aluetians and phillipines, son enlisted in Airforce, reason for disclipine and could not find a job, doing quite well. son's brother , could not find job, enlisted in Air Force, presently stationed in Germany. Nephew, could not find job, enlisted in Army, stationed in Iraq . I don't hate Military just tell it like it is.

[bootlen]

wow what a bunch of denial. a small history. father serves ww2 navy aluetians and phillipines, son enlisted in Airforce, reason for disclipine and could not find a job, doing quite well. son's brother , could not find job, enlisted in Air Force, presently stationed in Germany. Nephew, could not find job, enlisted in Army, stationed in Iraq . I don't hate Military just tell it like it is.

Hmmm. Sounds like ac's family is unhirable.

No wonder, though.

[James 3528]

wow what a bunch of denial. a small history. father serves ww2 navy aluetians and phillipines, son enlisted in Airforce, reason for disclipine and could not find a job, doing quite well. son's brother , could not find job, enlisted in Air Force, presently stationed in Germany. Nephew, could not find job, enlisted in Army, stationed in Iraq . I don't hate Military just tell it like it is.
Sounds like they all have jobs. Would the dental plan, education, retirement and medical been better changing air filters?

[acmanko]

in your case, no. remember you don't hire ,you use subs. the shame is directed to your ilk, expensing cars and meals instead of paying a living wage. the shame lies with corporate America, profiting from war and relocating overseas.

[James 3528]

Someone sounds jealous, which is 90% of being a democrat

[acmanko]

if that's the best you can do, you are no more than a wannabe.

[James 3528]

I don't wannabe you. ;)

[acmanko]

I don't wannabe you. ;) good, I see you have no aspiration to better your life and circumstance.:)

[dngrsone]

wow what a bunch of denial. a small history. father serves ww2 navy aluetians and phillipines, son enlisted in Airforce, reason for disclipine and could not find a job, doing quite well. son's brother , could not find job, enlisted in Air Force, presently stationed in Germany. Nephew, could not find job, enlisted in Army, stationed in Iraq . I don't hate Military just tell it like it is.

So, what you are saying is, you are basing the traits of all the members of the United States armed forces on those in your immediate family?

Based on your pseudo-information, either the entire country is economically depressed, or every guy and gal wearing a uniform is too lazy to go out and get a "real job."

Or are you just pissed off because you weren't allowed to join?


My friend, I spent 21 years in the service of this country, ensuring that "free thinkers" such as yourself retain the right to spout stupid **** at the drop of a hat. I have never asked for so much as a "thank you" for doing so, it is/was my civic duty, something I could do to support my country, community and work toward bettering the lives of my fellow man and myself.

Your talk offends me, but I am man enough to accept the fact that I cannot in good conscience do anything about it, other than give you a sense of perspective from my point of view.


I don't think you understand at all the sacrifices made by those men and women in uniform on a daily basis for your benefit. I'm not just talking about those who walk into the line of fire on the battlefield, risking life and limb-- even someone as dense as yourself can understand that.

I'm talking about your average everyday Joe Sailor, Marine, Airman, Soldier-- his job may not take him into the path of any projectiles or explosive devices, but he runs the risk of any number of other deadly industrial accidents-- electrocution, burning, explosion, heat stroke, falling, being crushed, poisoning, suffocation... ad infinitum.

They go where and when they are told to go, whether they like it or not-- mom's sick? Sorry about that. Wife having a baby? Tough.

They often work more than 80 hours a week, with fixed pay-- overtime is authorized, but there is no overtime pay. We're talking 10, 12, 16 hours at a time, with the occasional 36 or 48-hour stint... can you work 36 hours straight without screwing everything up or killing yourself?

They spend months, if not years away from friends and family.

They have to eat what they are given, if anything, or starve.

They stand around for hours on end in deserts under the summer sun-- 114° in the shade, wearing 40-50 pounds of body armor, toting a shotgun or rifle and a handgun, guarding a small piece of real estate for seemingly no reason, with nothing but a few bottles of 90° water to keep themselves hydrated.

They brave sub-zero temperatures and blizzards, doing the same thing.

They have to put up with reality-challenged amateur politicians who spit in their faces, calling them names, blaming them for events and decisions (sometimes fictional ones) that are way out of their control without reciprocating because, after all, they volunteered to make the above-mentioned sacrifices all in the name of allowing those same self-absorbed morally-defunct otterbees to exercise their right to free speech.

Now, feel free to refrain from vomiting nonsensical self-righteous character-assassinating and grammatically mangled bull**** into the forums; but if you can't, I understand. After all, not everyone has self-control or the sense to know when to stop doing damage to themselves and their non-existent reputations.

[mrs reb77]

We thank you dngrsone. Sincerely.
My husband served (as he posted in the ex-military thread) and feels the same way. He felt it was his civic duty. His brother joined shortly after he did and put in somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 years. His sister is currently in and stationed in South Dakota. I believe she's in her 10th year but not for certain, we don't get to see them much. They were stationed in Biloxi @ Keesler when Katrina hit and lost everything. That's another part of it that people don't realize--you go where your job takes you and roll with it. She has three kids she is now raising alone too.

[acmanko]

So, what you are saying is, you are basing the traits of all the members of the United States armed forces on those in your immediate family?

Based on your pseudo-information, either the entire country is economically depressed, or every guy and gal wearing a uniform is too lazy to go out and get a "real job."

Or are you just pissed off because you weren't allowed to join?


My friend, I spent 21 years in the service of this country, ensuring that "free thinkers" such as yourself retain the right to spout stupid **** at the drop of a hat. I have never asked for so much as a "thank you" for doing so, it is/was my civic duty, something I could do to support my country, community and work toward bettering the lives of my fellow man and myself.

Your talk offends me, but I am man enough to accept the fact that I cannot in good conscience do anything about it, other than give you a sense of perspective from my point of view.


I don't think you understand at all the sacrifices made by those men and women in uniform on a daily basis for your benefit. I'm not just talking about those who walk into the line of fire on the battlefield, risking life and limb-- even someone as dense as yourself can understand that.

I'm talking about your average everyday Joe Sailor, Marine, Airman, Soldier-- his job may not take him into the path of any projectiles or explosive devices, but he runs the risk of any number of other deadly industrial accidents-- electrocution, burning, explosion, heat stroke, falling, being crushed, poisoning, suffocation... ad infinitum.

They go where and when they are told to go, whether they like it or not-- mom's sick? Sorry about that. Wife having a baby? Tough.

They often work more than 80 hours a week, with fixed pay-- overtime is authorized, but there is no overtime pay. We're talking 10, 12, 16 hours at a time, with the occasional 36 or 48-hour stint... can you work 36 hours straight without screwing everything up or killing yourself?

They spend months, if not years away from friends and family.

They have to eat what they are given, if anything, or starve.

They stand around for hours on end in deserts under the summer sun-- 114° in the shade, wearing 40-50 pounds of body armor, toting a shotgun or rifle and a handgun, guarding a small piece of real estate for seemingly no reason, with nothing but a few bottles of 90° water to keep themselves hydrated.

They brave sub-zero temperatures and blizzards, doing the same thing.

They have to put up with reality-challenged amateur politicians who spit in their faces, calling them names, blaming them for events and decisions (sometimes fictional ones) that are way out of their control without reciprocating because, after all, they volunteered to make the above-mentioned sacrifices all in the name of allowing those same self-absorbed morally-defunct otterbees to exercise their right to free speech.

Now, feel free to refrain from vomiting nonsensical self-righteous character-assassinating and grammatically mangled bull**** into the forums; but if you can't, I understand. After all, not everyone has self-control or the sense to know when to stop doing damage to themselves and their non-existent reputations. You have your opinion and I have mine, as to the fact that you spent 20 years in service to OUR country I thank you for that. But just being a soldier does not give one Hero status any more then ordinary Americans driving back and forth to work, which as facts show, is inherintly more dangerous, So cry on someone else's shoulder

[dngrsone]

But just being a soldier does not give one Hero status any more then ordinary Americans driving back and forth to work, which as facts show, is inherintly more dangerous,

I would like to see those stats.

[acmanko]

I would like to see those stats. Here some facts or Google automobile deaths in US http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/a/automobile_accidents_injury/stats.htm or take a defensive driving course.

[mrs reb77]

You have your opinion and I have mine, as to the fact that you spent 20 years in service to OUR country I thank you for that. But just being a soldier does not give one Hero status any more then ordinary Americans driving back and forth to work, which as facts show, is inherintly more dangerous, So cry on someone else's shoulder

What a richard. Ain't worth your time dngrsone. I know he ain't worth mine.

[dngrsone]

So, 1 in 59 Americans is injured in an automobile accident... I fail to see how that makes driving a vehicle is any more dangerous than, say, working the flight line.

Plus, I said nothing about all military personnel being heros... after all, there are people in the military just like you, though they generally don't last long.

In fact, I said nothing about heros or heroism

[James 3528]

Yall don't know Mankow....with him, dumb and argumentative is cool

[dngrsone]

What a richard. Ain't worth your time dngrsone. I know he ain't worth mine.

Clearly. And it's no fun to insult someone when they're too clueless to even realize it. :rolleyes:

[mrs reb77]

battle of wits with an unarmed adversary

[frozensolid]

WTF does that mean?

I would draw you a picture but I don't have time jimmy. So you will just have to figure it out on your own.

[James 3528]

I would draw you a picture but I don't have time jimmy. So you will just have to figure it out on your own.



I agree. The only vets I know that like war are the Mercenary types and those who served in peace.

Please, draw a picture or just use your own words. Everyone that has served in the military here wants to know what the meaning of that was.

[hvactech13]

wow what a bunch of denial. a small history. father serves ww2 navy aluetians and phillipines, son enlisted in Airforce, reason for disclipine and could not find a job, doing quite well. son's brother , could not find job, enlisted in Air Force, presently stationed in Germany. Nephew, could not find job, enlisted in Army, stationed in Iraq . I don't hate Military just tell it like it is.

Basing opinion on a family tree that resembles a toothpick isn't the best idea. You may want to wipe that brown film off of your eyes and take a look around. Everything you see around you good or bad has been earned and protected by our military personnel. A handful of losers does not make the entire military a bunch of pathetic individuals who cannot, or will not find employment in the civilian sector.


But just being a soldier does not give one Hero status any more then ordinary Americans driving back and forth to work, which as facts show, is inherintly more dangerous, So cry on someone else's shoulder

Yes it is more dangerous driving to and from work, we have to deal with people like YOU on the road!!!

[James 3528]

OMG..that was funny....sums Mankow up.

[frozensolid]

Please, draw a picture or just use your own words. Everyone that has served in the military here wants to know what the meaning of that was.

If they are not smart enough to figure it out, then they should never have served in the first place.

[acmanko]

here you go soldier boys, even the common flu is more deadly to US citizens,Killed by Car Accidents

Highway fatalities account for more than 94% of all transportation deaths. There were an estimated 6,289,000 car accidents in the US in 1999. There were about 3.4 million injuries and 41,611 people killed in auto accidents in 1999. The total number of people killed in highway crashes in 2001 was 42,116, compared to 41,945 in 2000. An average of 114 people die each day in car crashes in the U.S. more... and 1999 pdf... [PDF Document - 2.5M]
Killed by the Common Flu

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) estimates that 35 to 50 million Americans come down with the flu during each flu season.The CDC estimates that in the US more than 100,000 people are hospitalized and more than 20,000 people die from the flu and its complications every year.
these are the same hard working Americans who pay your retirement and weekly wages when you enlist, so what you groupies need to do is get together and cry us a bucket of tears. and what happened to your training, when addressing a civilian, whether you like him/her, the word SIR or MAM is to be used.

[dngrsone]

these are the same hard working Americans who pay your retirement and weekly wages when you enlist, so what you groupies need to do is get together and cry us a bucket of tears. and what happened to your training, when addressing a civilian, whether you like him/her, the word SIR or MAM is to be used.

We pay our own wages, thank you very much, and there is nothing in our training that requires we say sir or ma'am to the likes of you, particularly when you neither deserve nor garner even the little respect we have for the Officers who have hissy fits demanding to be addressed as such.

EDIT-- :p In fact, upon a moment's consideration, I find you don't even deserve any further replies from me.

[acmanko]

Yes. The Department of the Navy's morals are summed up in three words-- Honor, Courage, Commitment.

Every action, thought and deed made by a sailor or Marine should be predicated on their understanding and compliance with those core values. Blatant homosexuality, appearance of favoritism, fraternization, insubordination, laziness, and religious and political proselytizing are all prejudicial to good order and discipline and therefore run counter to the aforementioned core values.

Good order and discipline is what keeps the military engine running, and any breakdowns result in lives needlessly damaged or lost.


You seem to remember what you were taught sailor boy, now how about practicing it.:confused:

[James 3528]

If they are not smart enough to figure it out, then they should never have served in the first place.


So you are still flinging the insults to the military.....just wanted you to expand on the comment you made and make sure it wasn't an insult. We can see plainly it was now. So you see you did explain.

[frozensolid]

So you are still flinging the insults to the military.....just wanted you to expand on the comment you made and make sure it wasn't an insult. We can see plainly it was now. So you see you did explain.

I know what I said and you do too, you are the only insulting one I see.

jimmy twist it anyway you want I don't care, what you think is about as insignificant to me, as a boil on a gnats A$$.

[acmanko]

So you are still flinging the insults to the military.....just wanted you to expand on the comment you made and make sure it wasn't an insult. We can see plainly it was now. So you see you did explain. It sems like you were insulting the faggots enlisted in the Military on another thread. Now James if you are to support whole heartily the Military, you need to hang out with the queers in the military also

[chillbilly]

wow what a bunch of denial. a small history. father serves ww2 navy aluetians and phillipines, son enlisted in Airforce, reason for disclipine and could not find a job, doing quite well. son's brother , could not find job, enlisted in Air Force, presently stationed in Germany. Nephew, could not find job, enlisted in Army, stationed in Iraq . I don't hate Military just tell it like it is.


You're not telling it like it is. You're telling it like you think it is, based on your perception of others and their situations.
Here's the problem. You have no military training or experience.
So, what reasonable criteria do you posess to judge the military or anyone in it?
You can't put a sentence together that makes sense and the only time you exceed a sentence and morph into a paragraph is when you're busy backtracking like a duck with water up his ass to defend your latest dumbass sentence.

Simply put, you don't have a leg or a crutch to stand on in a debate about the military, it's elisted men, officers or commanders.

You're a done tom-turkey and a certifiable dumbass to boot.

[frozensolid]

There is nothing more Patriotic or American than dissent. I have never met two men who agree on everything. So always following party lines is easy, because you allow others to think for you. To speak against the party line of thought, takes true courage. Following it to the letter is true cowardice.

Punishing the dissenter is completely un-American.

[acmanko]

You're not telling it like it is. You're telling it like you think it is, based on your perception of others and their situations.
Here's the problem. You have no military training or experience.
So, what reasonable criteria do you posess to judge the military or anyone in it?
You can't put a sentence together that makes sense and the only time you exceed a sentence and morph into a paragraph is when you're busy backtracking like a duck with water up his ass to defend your latest dumbass sentence.

Simply put, you don't have a leg or a crutch to stand on in a debate about the military, it's elisted men, officers or commanders.

You're a done tom-turkey and a certifiable dumbass to boot. here you go chilly, telling it like it is. anyone who joins the military is A. looking for a job, B. from a family of patriots with history of Military service and C.dudes who like to drop their soap in the shower.

[bootlen]

here you go chilly, telling it like it is. anyone who joins the military is A. looking for a job, B. from a family of patriots with history of Military service and C.dudes who like to drop their soap in the shower.

Well, chilly, ya gotta admit. Ac knows soap-dropping. (Not that it has anything to do with the military.)

[James 3528]

I know what I said and you do too, you are the only insulting one I see.

jimmy twist it anyway you want I don't care, what you think is about as insignificant to me, as a boil on a gnats A$$.

I asked you to explain what you mean by saying what you said and all you did was dance. It's is easy to see your contempt for people in the military. You only think they are of any value when they are taking a bullet for you.

[James 3528]

There is nothing more Patriotic or American than dissent. I have never met two men who agree on everything. So always following party lines is easy, because you allow others to think for you. To speak against the party line of thought, takes true courage. Following it to the letter is true cowardice.

Punishing the dissenter is completely un-American.

Sure....those 60% of colonist that sided with England were an asset in establishing this country. I noticed none of them left when Cornwallis surrendered and no doubt their dissent and not helping saved thousands and thousand of the brave Americans that fought for what you now enjoy. :rollyeyes:

Their actions are forever immortalized by the modern day Ted Kennedy's, Harry Reid's and you.

[frozensolid]

Twist it anyway you want jimmy. I care enough about our troops to stand up for them when I think they are put needlessly in harms way. Just because you twist my words to suit your own does not change the intent of my words.

You jimmy are a dangerous American because you will twist anything to suit you own purpose. Just like the party you support. Hitler would have found you very loyal.

Seeing that you are dense I will clarify for you, Soldiers that have been to war hate it....... Soldiers who served in peace do not understand the horror of it........Period

You are not worth my time, I think I will leave for 3 months.

[hvacbear]

Those of us who serve accept the fact that we might die to protect opinions that we find offensive.

I for one do not understand how anyone can reason that some one deployed in Iraq voluntarily ,away from family, getting shot at and mortared, working 16 hours a day in the sun, and sand with the extra 50 lbs of gear, seeing others die next to them (Very, very hard), and much, much more, is no more a hero than some one who is driving home on the freeway in safety and security provided by the deployed service members?

I do not understand it but I voluntarily protect the people who choose to believe it (and people who are openly unappreciative). I also hope that the people we protect never have to see the horror required to keep them free and safe.

[James 3528]

Twist it anyway you want jimmy. I care enough about our troops to stand up for them when I think they are put needlessly in harms way. Just because you twist my words to suit your own does not change the intent of my words.

You jimmy are a dangerous American because you will twist anything to suit you own purpose. Just like the party you support. Hitler would have found you very loyal.

Seeing that you are dense I will clarify for you, Soldiers that have been to war hate it....... Soldiers who served in peace do not understand the horror of it........Period

You are not worth my time, I think I will leave for 3 months.


You should. What you wrote here did not need explaining. That is why you didn't try. You have no idea what a soldier understands. Just like Hillary


I agree. The only vets I know that like war are the Mercenary types and those who served in peace.

[frozensolid]

You should. What you wrote here did not need explaining. That is why you didn't try. You have no idea what a soldier understands. Just like Hillary


There is a room full of shrinks somewhere, just hoping you walk through their door.

[RoBoTeq]

I am assuming that this thread was inspired by the fact that President Clinton, who hid out in England where he couldn't figure out how to inhale, never declared war on the Muslim factions that later attacked our country.