Good news,Democrats send out first round of subpoenas

[tinknocker44]

A House Judiciary subcommittee approved today the first in what is expected to be an avalanche of subpoenas to Bush administration officials. They will likely explore corruption and mismanagement allegations on everything from pre-war Iraq intelligence to the mishandling of the response to Hurricane Katrina.

The first round of subpoenas concern the recent controversial firings by the Bush administration of seven U.S. attorneys, some of whom were pursuing public corruption cases against Republican members of Congress.

The House Judiciary subcommittee on commercial and administrative law, chaired by Rep. Linda Sanchez (D-Calif.), approved subpoenas requiring four former U.S. attorneys to appear at a subcommittee hearing next Tuesday. The former U.S. attorneys include Carol Lam of California, David Iglesias of New Mexico, H.E. Cummins III of Arkansas, and John McKay of Washington state. The subcommittee approved the subpoenas by voice vote; no Republican lawmakers were present.

Tuesday’s hearing will consider a bill by Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.) that would reverse a new Patriot Act provision allowing the attorney general to appoint federal prosecutors without Senate confirmation through the duration of the Bush administration.

Democrats have come to the defense of several dismissed prosecutors, in particular Lam and Cummins of Arkansas. They have noted that Lam was leading the probe of ex-Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-Calif.), while Cummins was removed to make room for a former aide to White House senior adviser Karl Rove. Other U.S. attorneys, including those in Nevada and Arizona, were acting on corruption charges against GOP lawmakers before their resignations were requested.

Iglesias, a New Mexico U.S. attorney, asserted at a press conference yesterday that he was fired for purely political reasons. He also charged that prior to the November elections, two federal elected officials asked him to speed up the probes of local politicians.

Democrats, such as Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), have expressed outrage over the firings. She and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) have demanded to see the attorneys’ performance evaluations.

The White House has denied that the attorneys were fired for anything other than performance-related issues. And Republican lawmakers, such as Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), have argued that Democrats are making up a controversy where none exists.

After the vote on the subpoenas, Sanchez took exception to the White House’s assertions that they can fire the attorneys because they are "at will" employees.

There are several exceptions when an "at-will" employee cannot be fired, Sanchez asserted, such as sex or race discrimination.

"There are several public policy reasons why we don’t fire people," she said. "Are these people being [fired] because they’re doing their jobs and they’re doing them to well? Is this an ideological purge?"

She went on to stress the importance of a judiciary branch that is separate and independent from the executive branch.

"When the executive branch is interfering in the justice system—in other countries we call that corruption," she said. "It’s very troubling to me that there seems to be this undercurrent."

House Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel (Ill.) also weighed today, with a speech on the House floor.

"So this Administration either originally hired incompetent attorneys in the first place, or hired competent U.S. Attorneys, but incompetently fired them. Which is it?" he asked. "Many Americans believe these U.S. Attorneys are not being fired because they failed to go after public corruption, but because they did and were successful."

The Justice Department did not respond to a request for comment by press time. It has opposed a Senate bill similar to Berman's. A senior administration official also previously told The Hill that Democrats were trying to create a scandal where there isn't one.

"This sounds to me a little more like Democrats trying to play politics and use the S-word than it does trying to obtain substantive information," the official said.



http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/030107/subpoenas.html

[glennac]

What a ton of BS. This is what a lot of concerned folks were predicting. The Democrats if they got in power would try and paralize the goverment so nothing can be done and cost the taxpayers millions for BS. That just pisses you off. We have a bunch of traitors serving in Congress when we are at war.

[geerair]

A House Judiciary subcommittee approved today the first in what is expected to be an avalanche of subpoenas to Bush administration officials. They will likely explore corruption and mismanagement allegations on everything from pre-war Iraq intelligence to the mishandling of the response to Hurricane Katrina.

The first round of subpoenas concern the recent controversial firings by the Bush administration of seven U.S. attorneys, some of whom were pursuing public corruption cases against Republican members of Congress.

The House Judiciary subcommittee on commercial and administrative law, chaired by Rep. Linda Sanchez (D-Calif.), approved subpoenas requiring four former U.S. attorneys to appear at a subcommittee hearing next Tuesday. The former U.S. attorneys include Carol Lam of California, David Iglesias of New Mexico, H.E. Cummins III of Arkansas, and John McKay of Washington state. The subcommittee approved the subpoenas by voice vote; no Republican lawmakers were present.

Tuesday’s hearing will consider a bill by Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.) that would reverse a new Patriot Act provision allowing the attorney general to appoint federal prosecutors without Senate confirmation through the duration of the Bush administration.

Democrats have come to the defense of several dismissed prosecutors, in particular Lam and Cummins of Arkansas. They have noted that Lam was leading the probe of ex-Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-Calif.), while Cummins was removed to make room for a former aide to White House senior adviser Karl Rove. Other U.S. attorneys, including those in Nevada and Arizona, were acting on corruption charges against GOP lawmakers before their resignations were requested.

Iglesias, a New Mexico U.S. attorney, asserted at a press conference yesterday that he was fired for purely political reasons. He also charged that prior to the November elections, two federal elected officials asked him to speed up the probes of local politicians.

Democrats, such as Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), have expressed outrage over the firings. She and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) have demanded to see the attorneys’ performance evaluations.

The White House has denied that the attorneys were fired for anything other than performance-related issues. And Republican lawmakers, such as Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), have argued that Democrats are making up a controversy where none exists.

After the vote on the subpoenas, Sanchez took exception to the White House’s assertions that they can fire the attorneys because they are "at will" employees.

There are several exceptions when an "at-will" employee cannot be fired, Sanchez asserted, such as sex or race discrimination.

"There are several public policy reasons why we don’t fire people," she said. "Are these people being [fired] because they’re doing their jobs and they’re doing them to well? Is this an ideological purge?"

She went on to stress the importance of a judiciary branch that is separate and independent from the executive branch.

"When the executive branch is interfering in the justice system—in other countries we call that corruption," she said. "It’s very troubling to me that there seems to be this undercurrent."

House Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel (Ill.) also weighed today, with a speech on the House floor.

"So this Administration either originally hired incompetent attorneys in the first place, or hired competent U.S. Attorneys, but incompetently fired them. Which is it?" he asked. "Many Americans believe these U.S. Attorneys are not being fired because they failed to go after public corruption, but because they did and were successful."

The Justice Department did not respond to a request for comment by press time. It has opposed a Senate bill similar to Berman's. A senior administration official also previously told The Hill that Democrats were trying to create a scandal where there isn't one.

"This sounds to me a little more like Democrats trying to play politics and use the S-word than it does trying to obtain substantive information," the official said.



http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/030107/subpoenas.htmlYep.

The bell is tolling, the writing is on the wall for the Republican Culture of Corruption, Terrorism, Fabrication, Cronyism, Propaganda and Various and Assorted High Cimes and Felonies.

[geerair]

What a ton of BS. This is what a lot of concerned folks were predicting. The Democrats if they got in power would try and paralize the goverment so nothing can be done and cost the taxpayers millions for BS. That just pisses you off. We have a bunch of traitors serving in Congress when we are at war.Yeah Glenn, instead of wasting millions on finding and prosecuting lawbreakers, let's blow fifty million dollars and years of effort on something important like, oh I don't know..........finding out if Shrub got his leaves trimmed in the Oval Office.

[tinknocker44]

This is why America voted out the Neocons glen. Of course this Congress is going to do what the American people want and make sure Dumbya cant screw Americans over anymore. Time to pay the piper.

[The Doctor]

it was the original title line
good news, yada yada yada

that'll bring terrorism to a screeching halt.

checks and balances are one thing,
but
the demos didn't use their check or their balance when they voted to continue funding the iraq thing.

they had the power of the purse, and don't have the kahunas to use it.

since when is firing a lawyer have to do with the branches of government? . Is there a difference?
Is a lawyer part of the judiciary, when they lead investigations?
hmmmm

[glennac]

This is why America voted out the Neocons glen. Of course this Congress is going to do what the American people want and make sure Dumbya cant screw Americans over anymore. Time to pay the piper.

I see that I’m being tag teamed here. Most of those charges stem from the firing of incompetent attorneys for the Justice Dept. If you are a lazy attorney or otherwise not suitable and you get fired then it is political. Or I’m sure some have made frivols charges against some Republicans so if they get canned for their sorry performance then they can say I was fired because I went after some Republicans. Since when can’t the administration hire and fire it’s on employees. Congress has no business interfering with the running of the executive branch. This is ridicules. The president doesn’t interfere with how Congress is run.

[James 3528]

Wonder when they are going to focus in on cold cash Jefferson that the FBI found the money in his freezer? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[smokin68]

Wonder when they are going to focus in on cold cash Jefferson that the FBI found the money in his freezer? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


We'll focus on this whenever the "billions" of US funds in "cash" that were distributed in IRAQ by BUSH are accounted for. This whole Bush administration is incompetent/corrupt.:mad:

[Roscoe]

He'll get a pass. I won't be surprised........:rolleyes:

[James 3528]

He'll get a pass. I won't be surprised........:rolleyes:Yeah, you can tell the moron above you is a moron...they play the equate game. :) Here you have a siting congressman caught with bribe money and the speaker brags about how ethical she is going to run the house and he equates it to Iraq. This guy is dumber than a mud fence

[smokin68]

He'll get a pass. I won't be surprised........:rolleyes:

Damn, James has his arm right up to the elbo up your a$$, you do make a fine puppet. Pretty comical. Encore!!!:D

[James 3528]

I rest my case...put his brain up a Fleas ass and it would fall out.

[smokin68]

I rest my case...put his brain up a Fleas ass and it would fall out.

I'll take the brain credit, of which you have none.

[chillbilly]

LOL What a croc of sheyt. Let them have their subpoena power.Let's see what they can do with it.
The dems express outrage over the dismissal of attorneys the administration is entitled to fire, yet every U.S. Attorney, all 90+ of them were dismissed days after Bill Clinton took the oath of office with the exact same excuse provided.
You also might want to take a look at the list of pardons of career convicts ole' slick willie allowed.

It's hard to affect real results with subpoena power when we have an administration that is totally opposite from the preceding one, where subpoena's were destined to yield results.
I could hire a german shepherd to subpoena Clinton's old admin and come away with a large conviction rate.

The republicans were able to get the worst president in the history of this country to testify under oath where he lied like a Persian rug in an attempt to cover the corruption in his administration.
The republicans were successful in impeaching slick willie where he lied about the details of his relationships with several women. Genny Flowers, Monica Lewinsky, Linda Tripp, etc.
The republicans used their subpoena power very well, thank you.

The democrats will get from their subpoenas exactly what they've gotten when trying to get into the White House for the last 8 years...zilch.

If dumbasses like greer are adamant about defending Clinton's oval office no-sex blowjob trysts with a borderline child, they'll have no problem minimizing his consistent lying under oath about it as well.
I mean, if it was such a non-issue, why didn't the president just admit his transgressions??

Makes one wonder what really happened to Vince Foster as well.
And then there's Clinton permitting China to develop anti-radar and missile technology, Whitewater, Filegate, Reno's Chinagate cover-up, the Ron Brown plane purposely diverted off course to kill its passenger when indictments were pending on Clinton-linked finance scandal,a bullet hole in Ron Brown's head prior to the crash, fake Clinton tears (private video footage of his instant change of demeanor from laughing to crying when Television cameras turned on him) ,Brown's office ransacked for files by Commerce staff immediately after his death, Clinton using the IRS to attack and intimidate political enemies, Clinton staffers and admin downloading gay, bestial, teen sex videos, jamming the White House firewall system, the Justice Department used to terrorize American citizens and Elian Gonzalez, and the list goes on and on and on and on.

One needs only to perform a google search with two words....Clinton and corruption to see how easy it was for subpoena power to affect real results.

You libtards should not even fix your pieholes to mention the word subpoena.
It just brings all that Clinton garbage right back into focus and shows the contrasts in the fundamental integrity issues.
You clowns make GWB look like the pope when you mention the word subpoena.

[Roscoe]

james 3528


This guy is dumber than a mud fence



ROTFLMFAO.

Even funnier because it's Factual....................as a matter of Fact............:D

[smokin68]

O.K. ...so there were 90+ Republican attorneys fired by Clinton, or bi-partisan?

[Special Ed]

Yep, we're gonna lose this war on terror & the Constitution will soon be replaced by Sharia law. Why? Because our Gov't. can't seem to stop fighting amongst themselves by issuing BS subpoenas & debating non-stop on the floor of the Senate & the House.

Yep! Start building them mosques now! We're gonna need 'em!

[smokin68]

james 3528




ROTFLMFAO.

Even funnier because it's Factual....................as a matter of Fact............:D


You two "fellows" would know the I.Q. of a mudfence, as I'm sure you've been refered to it many times in your lifes......don't push your arm up any farther James or Chubby will need a new skull shape.

[chillbilly]

http://www.newsmax.com/hottopics/Clinton_Scandals.shtml

Subpoena's?? LOL

Subpoena's my ass.

The Clinton corruption machine defines the word 'subpoena'.
:D :D

[chillbilly]

smokin reduced to agreeing with nutknocker...


how does the idiot's arse taste? :eek:

[Roscoe]

You two "fellows" would know the I.Q. of a mudfence,[/U] as I'm sure you've been refered to it many times in your lifes......don't push your arm up any farther James or Chubby will need a new skull shape.

Ahhhhhhhh Yeah we were discussing your I.Q. or lack there of as it were.

Equal to a mud fence, or just below.

Heh heh keep digging ............:rolleyes:

[smokin68]

The only digging is James's arm up your arse to make you speak.......

[James 3528]

Smokindope

obsession with the ass :D :D :D

[mrs reb77]

How in the heck do subpoenas equate to helping our county and stopping the war in Iraq? They don't. Period. It's just the same ole same ole when there is a change in the majority. Status Quo. Why should we be surprised. It certainly isn't the first time we've been lied to by politicians.
I thought that Ms Pelosi vowed for a change?
Yeah, right. A change would be going forward by ANYONE instead of pointing fingers at EVERYONE. I'm almost to the point of saying that they ALL suck--there is absolutely no honor. Especially among thieves. And I'm not talking about the Republican party. They all need to have a rectal thumbectomy and start doing the job they are getting paid for.

[mrs reb77]

or is that cranialrectomectomy?


Seems we have an obsession starting.
;)

[geerair]

Damn, James has his arm right up to the elbo up your a$$, you do make a fine puppet. Pretty comical. Encore!!!:D:D :D :D :D :D

[geerair]

How in the heck do subpoenas equate to helping our county and stopping the war in Iraq? One word: OVERSIGHT.

[mrs reb77]

Nope, not even. It's the ole "yahoo, I've got ya now" crap executed by everyone since the cowboys and the indians. What can I get you on now that I got the power to do it. Every single time it happens, no matter the party, it ticks me off. Go on and do your dam* job! Don't create crap to make yourself look ubber important or point out what you think someone else has done--just improve the situation.
We Americans (live with it wen-sar) impeached a president and he didn't leave office. WHAT WAS THE POINT? Pointless waste of tax-payer (MY) dollars. More pointless posing by both sides. If you're going after someone make it count--in politics or war.

[chillbilly]

Apparently, greer only advocates oversight when democrats are in power.

Mrs Reb. Until the 2 party system is buried under an avalanche of public rebellion, we will continue to have a left and right side of the aisle.
These politicians ahould be held accountable for what they do.
The 'oversight' should originate from their constituents.
Until it does, it'll be business as usual for these clowns.

Term limits for all politicians!

[geerair]

Nope, not even. It's the ole "yahoo, I've got ya now" crap executed by everyone since the cowboys and the indians. What can I get you on now that I got the power to do it. Every single time it happens, no matter the party, it ticks me off. Go on and do your dam* job! Don't create crap to make yourself look ubber important or point out what you think someone else has done--just improve the situation.
We Americans (live with it wen-sar) impeached a president and he didn't leave office. WHAT WAS THE POINT? Pointless waste of tax-payer (MY) dollars. More pointless posing by both sides. If you're going after someone make it count--in politics or war.They are already making it stick. Several Repubs. have been marchedoff to jail and many more will be joining them.

Should we just forget all about the crimes committed?

[chillbilly]

What subpoenas have been issued by dems that have resulted in anyone going to jail? And who are these people?
You're full of sheyt again, greer.

Should we just forget all about the crimes committed?
Firstly, I'd think you'd be smart enough to provide a list of the crimes you're referring to.
Also, if we used your line of reasoning thoroughly, Bill Clinton, his wife and most of his admin would be pushing up daisies.:D :D :D

[Roscoe]

mrs reb77



They all need to have a rectal thumbectomy and start doing the job they are getting paid for.
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or is that cranialrectomectomy?
Seems we have an obsession starting.

LOL....:D

Isn't that being redundant

[corny]

The gubment doesnt fire people for incompetance or poor job performance...... thats a fact.....

Now I dont know why these guys were fired....who really cares.... but it was because of job performance....unless they were doing their job too well and started making folks nervous....

[James 3528]

I said after the election that this was going to be two years of the democrats wasting time. Why don't they buy Humvee and body armor with the money? Since they thought all the tragedies of the last 6 years was GW's fault, why don't they make the levies higher in New Orleans? Prevent hurricanes and global warming? They said we are a lot less safe then we were before 911, is this going to help?

[geerair]

I said after the election that this was going to be two years of the democrats wasting time. Why don't they buy Humvee and body armor with the money? Since they thought all the tragedies of the last 6 years was GW's fault, why don't they make the levies higher in New Orleans? Prevent hurricanes and global warming? They said we are a lot less safe then we were before 911, is this going to help?Waaaaaaa, waaaaa. Cry us a river.

Prevent hurricanes? Nah, just a few simple things like appoint competent people instead of cronies to head critical agencies and break off their vacations to provide leadership.


http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/M/f/bush_guitar_playing.jpg


Shrub jumps into action to provide leadership as New Orleans drowns.

[geerair]

Gee, Bush was on vacation when he ignored the August PDB about Al-
Qaeda determined to strike the U.S.

Oh well that wood on his ranch really, really needed chopping.

[chillbilly]

Gee, Bush was on vacation when he ignored the August PDB about Al-
Qaeda determined to strike the U.S.

Oh well that wood on his ranch really, really needed chopping.

LOL
Lemme' chop greers asinine rhetoric down and stack it up next to his cordwood full of crap :eek:
8/01 defense bulletin was no different from any other bulletin the president received. The intel was assesed and filed.
Had a competent president been in office pre-GWB, there is no doubt that AQ would not have been in a position to attack. Clinton's admin is directly responsible for 9/11 and everyone knows it. They even enlisted Sandy Berger to hide incriminating classified documents in his shoe to suppress evidence that directly incriminates the previous admin. Reality bites boys.
Furthermore, the current admin, by being proactive, has done a decidedly better job handling gathering threats.
The proofs in the pudding. No attacks on American soil in 6 years, terrorist leaders and their henchmen killed, imprisoned and brought to justice.

What results did the previous admin achieve in the battle against threats to our nation?
LOL

[desto1]

why is it katrina is bushs' fault but when denver got hit back to back in a 2 week period with 2 blizzards,no one in co. whined and cried and said it was bushs' fault??? let the liberal "dem"wits keep their crap up and they will be gone in 08..... goooooooo "dem"wits!!!!!!!!!!

[geerair]

why is it katrina is bushs' fault but when denver got hit back to back in a 2 week period with 2 blizzards,no one in co. whined and cried and said it was bushs' fault??? let the liberal "dem"wits keep their crap up and they will be gone in 08..... goooooooo "dem"wits!!!!!!!!!! Snow covering your house and roads can be shoveled away, flood waters can't.

[desto1]

what a "dem"wit response

[James 3528]

Gee, Bush was on vacation when he ignored the August PDB about Al-
Qaeda determined to strike the U.S.

Oh well that wood on his ranch really, really needed chopping.Clinton was getting a blow job when they attacked us.


When Clinton lied, no one died. Not any terrorist. Just some American women and children down in Waco Texas

[chillbilly]

Snow covering your house and roads can be shoveled away, flood waters can't.


Tell that to the people who freeze to death every year.
Maybe they can sue the Fed. for an act of God.

Oh and BTW,
Did anyone ever tell the good people of NO that they live in a bowl?
Uhhhh, yes they did.
Or that their levees might no fail under sustained winds and flooding?
Uhhhhh, yes they did.
Or that a hurricane was imminent and they should evacuate?
Uhhhhh, yes they did.

Now we have Ray Nagin suing for 78 billion more dollars than he thinks he should get.


LOL

[James 3528]

Waaaaaaa, waaaaa. Cry us a river.

Prevent hurricanes? Nah, just a few simple things like appoint competent people instead of cronies to head critical agencies and break off their vacations to provide leadership.





Shrub jumps into action to provide leadership as New Orleans drowns.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/2315076.html

Do you mean competent people like the mayor they re-elected? The same one that let 200 school buses go under water and had about a week warning? Or their Governor ? Or course not.

[chillbilly]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/2315076.html

Do you mean competent people like the mayor they re-elected? The same one that let 200 school buses go under water and had about a week warning? Or their Governor ? Or course not.

LMFAO

All those buses. Gassed up and everything. :D :D :D :D

[geerair]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/2315076.html

Do you mean competent people like the mayor they re-elected? The same one that let 200 school buses go under water and had about a week warning? Or their Governor ? Or course not.Already read it.

Doesn't even mention the fact that Bush refused to have his vacation cut short by anything like a mere city being disastrouslyy flooded. :eek: :eek:

[James 3528]

Snow covering your house and roads can be shoveled away, flood waters can't.


About a week warning of one of the slowest storms ever to hit the Gulf coast. Democrat inaction is spun into something else. Mississippi suffered worse devastation. Your highlights of what happed denotes the Media spin about that ordeal. The democrat governor and mayor failed their welfare constituents.

[James 3528]

Already read it.

Doesn't even mention the fact that Bush refused to have his vacation cut short by anything like a mere city being disastrouslyy flooded. :eek: :eek:

The disaster came when the idiots stayed there, there mayor fled and they Governor doubled up the Zanex.

Bush went there...more than President Bill Clinton did when Al Queada hit the WTC the first time.

[chillbilly]

Already read it.

Doesn't even mention the fact that Bush refused to have his vacation cut short by anything like a mere city being disastrouslyy flooded. :eek: :eek:


That's because he didn't. Thta's all a part of the blame game.
greer got this stuff directly from Nancy Pelosi.
He was advised not to visit the area until security concerns could be addressed....4 days after the storm. His vacation was cancelled 40 hours after the storm when his advisors told him to engage.
He didn't visit Ground Zero for 3 days for the exact same reasons.


The dems thought he should have put on his waders and gone right in and damn the security concerns.

LOL

[geerair]

Clinton was getting a blow job when they attacked us. Was he? How do you know? were you in fact Monica in drag? :p :p :p



When Clinton lied, no one died.True




Not any terrorist. What, you think blowjobs should be employed against terrorists? Interesting concept, not sure how effective it will be.



Just some American women and children down in Waco TexasReligious gun freaks with a death wish shouldn't play around with gasoline and nmatches.

[geerair]

The disaster came when the idiots stayed there, there mayor fled and they Governor doubled up the Zanex.

Bush went there...more than President Bill Clinton did when Al Queada hit the WTC the first time.Yeah, he flew over in AF1 and waved. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[James 3528]

Was he? How do you know? were you in fact Monica in drag? :p :p :p


True



What, you think blowjobs should be employed against terrorists? Interesting concept, not sure how effective it will be.


Religious gun freaks with a death wish shouldn't play around with gasoline and nmatches.

Doesn't discount the fact that Clinton did nothing.

[chillbilly]

Doesn't discount the fact that Clinton did nothing.

Oh, that's right. He had an intern to hose down. :rolleyes:

[obxdist]

Like Bush gets a vacation ??? He probably does more than me or you do in an hour than we do all day! Even while on vacation.

[James 3528]

Like Bush gets a vacation ??? He probably does more than me or you do in an hour than we do all day! Even while on vacation.
Geer has played the vacation thing for 6 years now. Every day Geer vacations here.

[sysint]

This is why America voted out the Neocons glen. Of course this Congress is going to do what the American people want and make sure Dumbya cant screw Americans over anymore. Time to pay the piper. OK - Tin-Dim-Wit... thanks for the head's up. Now we can have Democratic hypocritical liars screw Americans over for a few years. It's been awhile, so it's time to pay the piper. I better start my money-shuffling Carbon Credit and Energy company soon to get in on the action. Not to forget my many non-profit social development corporations....

You are such a tool.

It's time for a third party.

[The Doctor]

OK - Tin-Dim-Wit... thanks for the head's up. Now we can have Democratic hypocritical liars screw Americans over for a few years. It's been awhile, so it's time to pay the piper. I better start my money-shuffling Carbon Credit and Energy company soon to get in on the action. Not to forget my many non-profit social development corporations....

You are such a tool.

It's time for a third party.

I second that motion...or is it I third that motion:D

remember though, Perot's third party and what happened as a result.
sysint, have you any opening remarks on a third party?
I have been reviewing the platforms of the constitutional party, so let the atheists and socialists now begin the bombing campaigns.
Have you any parties in mind?

[smokin68]

LOL
Lemme' chop greers asinine rhetoric down and stack it up next to his cordwood full of crap :eek:
8/01 defense bulletin was no different from any other bulletin the president received. The intel was assesed and filed.
Had a competent president been in office pre-GWB, there is no doubt that AQ would not have been in a position to attack. Clinton's admin is directly responsible for 9/11 and everyone knows it. They even enlisted Sandy Berger to hide incriminating classified documents in his shoe to suppress evidence that directly incriminates the previous admin. Reality bites boys.
Furthermore, the current admin, by being proactive, has done a decidedly better job handling gathering threats.
The proofs in the pudding. No attacks on American soil in 6 years, terrorist leaders and their henchmen killed, imprisoned and brought to justice.

What results did the previous admin achieve in the battle against threats to our nation?
LOL


Well according to your "theory" here, if the Clinton administration was directly responsible for the 9/11 attacks, then the Bush Sr. administration must be responsible for the first WTC attack.....

After all, it was right after Clinton took office.
http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/terrorism/101/timeline.html#1990


Don't blame pasts for present actions.



We do need a third party.

[corny]

Looks like after the first trade center bombing america and its citizens were safe for 8 years...until Bush was in office.... Hopefully Bush can beat this record....

An attack on american soil will undoubtedly happen again..... we will one day become lax in our defenses.... if the terrorists are not already here, ...working in a 7-11 store raising their americanized family...living the american dream...just waiting for the right time...., it wouldnt take much for terrorists to infiltrate the country thru canada or mexico...procure enough explosives over time and then attack....

glad I live in a small town...... of course I am in an area where the nuclear research industry is alive and well.... but those forkers stick out like a turd in a punchbowl around here.....

We did arrest two suspected terrorists in erwin tennessee here a few years ago at a place called nuclear fuels services but the federal government swept in and took these guys...... never heard about them again..... it weas like the news media just forgot the story...lol

I'll try and hunt up some info on that and post it.

[chillbilly]

smokin68;1396621]Well according to your "theory" here, if the Clinton administration was directly responsible for the 9/11 attacks, then the Bush Sr. administration must be responsible for the first WTC attack.
That's quite posible. Who's saying otherwise?
It's the liberals who are in denial about Clinton's inaction and inability to kill OBL when he was directly in the CIA's crosshairs.


Don't blame pasts for present actions.
You're kidding.... right?? How do you think present actions come to a fruition?
By past planning. Duh.
Do you think the people that plot to attack us just wake up, get a cup of coffee and ask their co-conspirators, "What are you going to do today'?
Uh, I think I'll get a few buddies and fly some planes into different structures".
"OK, great. Have a good day".


Pre-planning involves the past.

[James 3528]

Looks like after the first trade center bombing america and its citizens were safe for 8 years...until Bush was in office.... Hopefully Bush can beat this record....

An attack on american soil will undoubtedly happen again..... we will one day become lax in our defenses.... if the terrorists are not already here, ...working in a 7-11 store raising their americanized family...living the american dream...just waiting for the right time...., it wouldnt take much for terrorists to infiltrate the country thru canada or mexico...procure enough explosives over time and then attack....

glad I live in a small town...... of course I am in an area where the nuclear research industry is alive and well.... but those forkers stick out like a turd in a punchbowl around here.....

We did arrest two suspected terrorists in erwin tennessee here a few years ago at a place called nuclear fuels services but the federal government swept in and took these guys...... never heard about them again..... it weas like the news media just forgot the story...lol

I'll try and hunt up some info on that and post it.
I see you don't count attacks on American getting killed such as the USS Cole. Those sailors were not Americans by your statement. Nor were the embassy workers killed on Willie's watch. Perhaps the most unsafe place to be if you were an American on Clinton's watch was in Waco Texas. Certainly wasn't Kosovo.

[tinknocker44]

OK - Tin-Dim-Wit... thanks for the head's up. Now we can have Democratic hypocritical liars screw Americans over for a few years. It's been awhile, so it's time to pay the piper. I better start my money-shuffling Carbon Credit and Energy company soon to get in on the action. Not to forget my many non-profit social development corporations....

You are such a tool.

It's time for a third party.


Yes sissy it is time for a third party. Until then we'll go with the lesser of two evils. Are Carbon credits a lie that will get Americans killed and into the middle of a civil war?

You are such a fool.

[James 3528]

Yes sissy it is time for a third party. Until then we'll go with the lesser of two evils. Are Carbon credits a lie that will get Americans killed and into the middle of a civil war?

You are such a fool.For you to equate Carbon Credits which puts money in Al Gore's pocket http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=131700 and denotes what a phony he really is to Iraq, shows who the real sissy is.

[isitfixedyet]

I Bet They Found That They All Have More In Common Besides Having The Same Father And Uncles,, Lol
They All Have The Same Ip Address...:d

[chillbilly]

It's time to cut him loose.


:D

[geerair]

Geer has played the vacation thing for 6 years now. Every day Geer vacations here.

James 3528

Posts: 30,023



Irony meter go BOOM.

[sysint]

Yes sissy it is time for a third party. Until then we'll go with the lesser of two evils. Are Carbon credits a lie that will get Americans killed and into the middle of a civil war?

You are such a fool. More stupidity by Tin-Dim-Wit. The tool thinks that no Democrats ever supported the war or will support war. Moron.

"lesser of two evils"

Still just a tool. Know nothing parrot. Get an idea. Get a clue.

[James 3528]

James 3528

Posts: 30,023



Irony meter go BOOM.98% of them aren't in the ARP like yours.

[geerair]

98% of them aren't in the ARP like yours.Yes, only half of them are here which still puts you far ahead of not only me but all the others.

I may vacation here but you live here. :rolleyes: :p :p :p

[James 3528]

Yes, only half of them are here which still puts you far ahead of not only me but all the others.

I may vacation here but you live here. :rolleyes: :p :p :p

I don't live a lie here. You bill yourself as a Independent and 98% of your post is rushing to aid the other retards in trying to legitimize the criminal activity of the democrats while attacking the republicans. Just be yourself. The ass kisser and spin master of the left. You're no Independent, you give them a bad name. ;)

[geerair]

I don't live a lie here. You bill yourself as a Independent and 98% of your post is rushing to aid the other retards in trying to legitimize the criminal activity of the democrats while attacking the republicans. Just be yourself. The ass kisser and spin master of the left. You're no Independent, you give them a bad name. ;)Yes, yes whatever you say Mr. Thirty Thousand posts. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[sysint]

I think he is just very persistent with all the hypocritical commentary from you and Tin-Dim-Wit.

More so from Tin-Dim-Wit. His lightbulb doesn't burn very bright and he can't think an outcome past his nose. Probably a terrible chess player also.

[chillbilly]

I think he is just very persistent with all the hypocritical commentary from you and Tin-Dim-Wit.

More so from Tin-Dim-Wit. His lightbulb doesn't burn very bright and he can't think an outcome past his nose. Probably a terrible chess player also.

LOL I'm quite sure he can't even set up a chess board correctly.

He'd be better off setting up spam topics.

[chillbilly]

Yes, only half of them are here which still puts you far ahead of not only me but all the others.

I may vacation here but you live here. :rolleyes: :p :p :p


You live here greer......................... And you ain't living right.

James destroys you quite consistently.
From james we get a variety of interesting topics.
From you we get the same old song and dance.

Problem is..............you can't dance.

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