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tinknocker44
02-21-2007, 09:48 PM
WASHINGTON — The special prosecutor in the CIA leak case, Patrick Fitzgerald, is suggesting in his strongest terms yet that Vice President Cheney was involved in an effort to unmask a CIA operative married to an administration critic.

Mr. Fitzgerald's explosive comments came as he delivered closing arguments yesterday in the monthlong obstruction-of-justice and perjury trial of Mr. Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby Jr.

"There's a cloud over the vice president," Mr. Fitzgerald told the jury. "We didn't put that cloud there. That cloud's there because the defendant obstructed justice. That cloud is something you just can't pretend isn't there."

The prosecutor also asserted that Mr. Libby violated a request from investigators by discussing his recollections about the case with his boss, Mr. Cheney, while the probe was under way. "He's not supposed to be talking to other people," Mr. Fitzgerald said of Mr. Libby. "The only person he told is the vice president. … Think about that."

Broadening his attack on the White House, Mr. Fitzgerald took a shot at President Bush, indirectly criticizing him for not firing officials implicated in the leaks about the CIA officer, Valerie Plame. The prosecutor noted that in 2003 the White House press secretary, Scott McClellan, said Mr. Bush would immediately dismiss anyone involved in leaking Ms. Plame's identity.

"Any sane person would think, based on what McClellan said in October 2003, that any person involved in this would be fired," Mr. Fitzgerald said.

The prosecutor's clear implication was that Mr. Bush failed to keep his word. Mr. Bush's top political aide, Karl Rove, is still working at the White House despite having served as a source for two press accounts about Ms. Plame. A State Department official who leaked Ms. Plame's identity at least twice, Richard Armitage, resigned at the end of 2004. Mr. Libby, who quit after being indicted, has conceded discussing the CIA staffer with a Time magazine reporter, Matthew Cooper.

Mr. Libby faces five felony charges stemming from claims that he lied to the FBI and a grand jury about his conversations with Mr. Cooper and NBC's Washington bureau chief, Timothy Russert. No one was charged criminally for the leaks.

Mr. Libby's lead defense counsel, Theodore Wells Jr., said prosecutors constructed a flimsy case by assuming that the reporters are telling the truth and Mr. Libby is lying. The defense lawyer noted that the government had no direct evidence that Mr. Libby set out to deceive anyone.

"There's no recording. There aren't any notes. There's nothing," Mr. Wells said. He called the prosecution case "madness" and warned jurors that they were facing a grave decision that they might come to regret.

"The stakes are a man's reputation, a man's life," Mr. Wells said. "Once you check that box, he's got to live with that forever, and so do you."

The defense attorney also warned jurors, who hail from the capital's predominantly liberal populace, against allowing their personal politics to color their view of the case. "If somebody starts to say, ‘He's a Republican. He worked for Cheney. Let's do him.' Help that person," Mr. Wells said. "Don't sacrifice Scooter Libby in this case based on the way you feel about the war in Iraq or how you feel about the Bush administration."

Mr. Wells became emotional as he concluded his argument with a plea to spare Mr. Libby. "Get him back to work. Give him back to me," Mr. Wells said as his voice trailed off and he began to tear up. He then took a seat at the defense table. The veteran defense attorney sat silently there for several minutes, ignoring his colleagues and alternately staring at the back wall of the courtroom and his lap.

Mr. Fitzgerald rejected the defense's contention that the case against Mr. Libby be examined on a witness-by-witness basis. The prosecutor said Mr. Libby's claim that he thought he learned of Ms. Plame's identity from Mr. Russert was impossible to believe given the variety of witnesses from inside and outside the White House who claim to have discussed the matter with Mr. Libby.

"It's not one on one. It's not, ‘He said, she said,'" Mr. Fitzgerald said. "Nine witnesses can't all misremember."

Mr. Fitzgerald said it was evident that Mr. Libby was angry at Ms. Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson IV, who had claimed in an op-ed piece and a television appearance that Mr. Bush lied by claiming in his 2003 State of the Union address that Iraq sought nuclear materials in Africa.

"We all know that when you're angry at someone, you remember," the prosecutor said, poking at the defense's contention that Mr. Libby may have forgotten several of his conversations on the subject.


Mr. Fitzgerald also dissected White House talking points and concluded that Mr. Cheney was honing in on Ms. Plame, whom the vice president suspected arranged for her husband to take a trip to Africa at the CIA's expense. At one point in July 2003, "the question of who sent Mr. Wilson on his trip is the no. 1 question on the vice president's mind," the prosecutor said.

The defense argued repeatedly yesterday that the prosecution has failed to prove its case against Mr. Libby beyond a reasonable doubt. Defense attorneys have their strongest argument on that point with respect to the two counts based solely on the differences between Mr. Libby and Mr. Cooper. Mr. Cooper remembers getting what he took as a brief, vague confirmation of Ms. Plame's employment. Mr. Libby contends that he gave a lengthier explanation, saying he had heard about Ms. Plame from reporters, didn't know whether she actually worked at the CIA, and didn't even know whether Mr. Wilson had a wife.

The prosecution's case regarding Mr. Libby's contact with Mr. Russert may be more successful because it is not entirely contingent on Mr. Russert's claim never to have discussed Ms. Plame with Mr. Libby. The indictment also faults Mr. Libby for telling the FBI and the grand jury that he was taken aback when Mr. Russert mentioned Ms. Plame. The prosecution asserts that Mr. Libby could not have been surprised because he had discussed Ms. Plame in the preceding days with other White House officials, a top CIA executive, and a New York Times reporter, Judith Miller.

"You don't need the Tim Russert evidence to find the defendant guilty," Mr. Fitzgerald said.

In theory, the former vice presidential aide could be sentenced to up to 30 years in prison if he is convicted on all five counts. His actual sentence would almost certainly be much lighter, based on guidelines that take into account his lack of a prior criminal record and other factors.

Mr. Wells told jurors yesterday about the "permanency" of a guilty verdict in the case. However, many commentators on the right and the left believe Mr. Bush will pardon Mr. Libby if he is convicted.

The White House has steadfastly refused to comment on the case. Mr. Cheney was traveling in Japan yesterday. Asked about the new aspersions cast on the vice president, a spokeswoman for Mr. Cheney, Megan McGinn, said he would have no comment while the matter is before the courts.

Mr. Fitzgerald's pregnant statements yesterday about Messrs. Bush and Cheney may have been intended to bolster the chance of convicting Mr. Libby by tying him to the unpopular political figures atop the executive branch. Another possibility is that the closing statements offered the prosecutor who has headed the investigation for more than three years his last clear opportunity to opine on the actions of the president and the vice president in the case. While prosecutors appointed under the independent counsel law were permitted to file reports on their findings, there is no such provision for Mr. Fitzgerald, a U.S. attorney who was appointed by the Justice Department after senior officials there recused themselves because of the political sensitivity of the case.

Jurors are expected to begin deliberating Mr. Libby's fate this morning, after receiving final instructions from Judge Reggie Walton.

http://www.nysun.com/article/48963

jmac00
02-21-2007, 10:46 PM
oooh thank God you have another thing to b!tch about:confused:

the sky is falling,the sky is falling,the sky is falling,the sky is falling,:confused:


do you actually have a job or is "tinknocker" you designation for Soup Can Opener :confused: :confused: :confused:

I'll bet, if you look real hard on Google, you can find a republican that parked illegally..........somewhere :rolleyes:

James 3528
02-21-2007, 11:24 PM
Prosecutor has no case. LOL

geerair
02-22-2007, 01:40 AM
The Repub. perp walks are just starting.

Probably need to order some more handcuffs to take care of the rush. :eek: :eek:

tinknocker44
02-22-2007, 06:37 AM
oooh thank God you have another thing to b!tch about:confused:

the sky is falling,the sky is falling,the sky is falling,the sky is falling,:confused:


do you actually have a job or is "tinknocker" you designation for Soup Can Opener :confused: :confused: :confused:

I'll bet, if you look real hard on Google, you can find a republican that parked illegally..........somewhere :rolleyes:

And would be Bill Clintons fault.:rolleyes:

The Doctor
02-22-2007, 06:44 AM
wilson lies, but fitzy doesn't go after him.

Bob Novak reveals plame's identity in his column, but fitzy doesn't go after him.

Richard Armitage leaked her identity to Novak, but fitzy doesn't go after him.

as it turns out, Plame wasn't really a covert agent, but fitzy doesn't drop the case--prosecutes on a process crime, and still doesn't have a strong case. the only thing he's got going for him is a DC jury(in a blame America first city).

jmac00
02-22-2007, 07:32 AM
And would be Bill Clintons fault.:rolleyes:


WHAAAAAaaa????????????????????? Congratulations, That is quite possibly the stupidest answer ever????????:confused: :confused: :confused:

glennac
02-22-2007, 08:06 AM
I didn't know that whatever a prosecutor said or inferred was true. It that is the case then we could save a lot of money and eliminate the judge and jury. I guess that is what Tink thinks. I myself will wait till the verdit is in.

Roscoe
02-22-2007, 08:09 AM
You're still playing in your poo and smearing it on the walls hey there tinkle knocker get a life and a job..:D

Harleyrider
02-22-2007, 09:30 AM
Damn Tin, them pugs sure get mad when you find good dirt on one of there own. :D :D :D

chillbilly
02-22-2007, 10:59 AM
tinknocker posing as harleyrider and using a different IP.
The knuckle-dragger knows no shame.

And greer is reduced to chiming in for this dumbass chimp.

LOL


fartknocker believes that Perry Mason is a real lawyer too.

Roscoe
02-22-2007, 11:09 AM
tinknocker posing as harleyrider and using a different IP.
The knuckle-dragger knows no shame.

And greer is reduced to chiming in for this dumbass chimp.

LOL


fartknocker believes that Perry Mason is a real lawyer too.


You gotta be kidding,,,,,, cocknocker and harveyrider are one and the same hehehehehehehehe

M.P.D..........fags :D.....:D

YOU go boy's

chillbilly
02-22-2007, 11:16 AM
You gotta be kidding,,,,,, cocknocker and harveyrider are one and the same hehehehehehehehe

M.P.D..........fags :D.....:D

YOU go boy's


Yes. They are one in the same.
The mods will eventually figure it out simply by reading the sparse text and constant and consistent misspellings of his views coupled with the incessant cut and paste ritual.

Observe how his new text will try to deviate when he knows he's been found out.:D :D :D

James 3528
02-22-2007, 11:23 AM
It's Ace

chillbilly
02-22-2007, 11:25 AM
Tin

jrbenny
02-22-2007, 11:28 AM
We're watching. We have our ideas. Just letting the noose tighten.

James 3528
02-22-2007, 11:29 AM
Have we learned something now Chilly? :D

chillbilly
02-22-2007, 11:29 AM
We're watching. We have our ideas. Just letting the noose tighten.


It's going to be interesting.

James 3528
02-22-2007, 11:29 AM
We're watching. We have our ideas. Just letting the noose tighten.

You edited



















peckerhead :D

jrbenny
02-22-2007, 11:31 AM
Shhhh. :D

James 3528
02-22-2007, 11:31 AM
It's going to be interesting.

No it's not...I am right..I studied the guy.....he is on other forums..the fruitcake used the same info in the bio here...LOL

James 3528
02-22-2007, 11:33 AM
And I was sent some fresh pics of Robs wife naked.....he should have been banned from the country. The guy that sent them to me should be arrested. :p

James 3528
02-22-2007, 11:33 AM
It's going to be interesting.
You lost....worship me..now!

chillbilly
02-22-2007, 11:34 AM
No it's not...I am right..I studied the guy.....he is on other forums..the fruitcake used the same info in the bio here...LOL


Dammit! I thought I had him nailed!:D

ok ok You win

tinknocker44
02-22-2007, 06:06 PM
And I was sent some fresh pics of Robs wife naked.....he should have been banned from the country. The guy that sent them to me should be arrested. :p

He didnt know you are gay. But thats no reason to arrest him.

Harleyrider
02-22-2007, 06:23 PM
Tin...........please feel free to contact me at dosy777@yahoo.com

Harleyrider
02-22-2007, 06:43 PM
We're watching. We have our ideas. Just letting the noose tighten.

Ide like to know what you mean by that? It sure seems that the only rules that are broken are that my political party is different then yours....................Tin....i havew posted my e amil for you.
You advised me to not repost my avater because it was political in nature........yet you allowed james to have his, yet you deleted tins.........does this seem even remotely fair? If you are hosting a REUBLICAN only talk site than ok.........all the democracts will leave........otherwise i think or comments should be welcome ................

tinknocker44
02-22-2007, 06:48 PM
Ide like to know what you mean by that? It sure seems that the only rules that are broken are that my political party is different then yours....................Tin....i havew posted my e amil for you.
You advised me to not repost my avater because it was political in nature........yet you allowed james to have his, yet you deleted tins.........does this seem even remotely fair? If you are hosting a REUBLICAN only talk site than ok.........all the democracts will leave........otherwise i think or comments should be welcome ................


Harley I emailed you. When they deleted my avatar I noticed jane has a political avatar so I put up a new one. Lets see if mine goes but not his again. Imagine a pug only site? thats alot of nuthugging I dont want to see anyhow.

Roscoe
02-22-2007, 07:08 PM
Harley I emailed you. When they deleted my avatar I noticed jane has a political avatar so I put up a new one. Lets see if mine goes but not his again. Imagine a pug only site? thats alot of nuthugging I dont want to see anyhow.


http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/2554/msnemoticoncry207ak1.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

so you really talk to yourself and answer yourself on a public forum,,,,,,,:eek: ,, that's just bad

You know they can treat MPD

dw1
02-22-2007, 07:10 PM
wilson lies, but fitzy doesn't go after him.

Bob Novak reveals plame's identity in his column, but fitzy doesn't go after him.

Richard Armitage leaked her identity to Novak, but fitzy doesn't go after him.

as it turns out, Plame wasn't really a covert agent, but fitzy doesn't drop the case--prosecutes on a process crime, and still doesn't have a strong case. the only thing he's got going for him is a DC jury(in a blame America first city).

This is the case in a nutshell.
It took Fitzgerald over 2 years to figure out that Plame was not a covert agent at the time her name was released. Couldn't he find the telephone number for the CIA?
When Fitzgerald found out Plame was not a covert agent he dropped the charge for releasing her name yet still continued to beat a dead horse.
As a federal prosecutor a Archibald Cox he ain't. :mad:

Harleyrider
02-22-2007, 07:36 PM
Harley I emailed you. When they deleted my avatar I noticed jane has a political avatar so I put up a new one. Lets see if mine goes but not his again. Imagine a pug only site? thats alot of nuthugging I dont want to see anyhow.


wHATS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE SHOULD BE GOOD FOR THE GANDER!

But I guess that remains to be seen...............

obxdist
02-22-2007, 08:00 PM
Harley I emailed you. When they deleted my avatar I noticed jane has a political avatar so I put up a new one. Lets see if mine goes but not his again. Imagine a pug only site? thats alot of nuthugging I dont want to see anyhow.

Then why use a negative avatar?Don't you enjoy this site being able to debate and see different oppinions?You contribute alot....try to be more positive.Your avatar would make me not listen to your oppinions.Respect other people.Enjoy this site for what it is. OH and have a nice day.....

chillbilly
02-22-2007, 08:04 PM
A reasonable approach with Laurel and Harley??

Bwaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

chillbilly
02-22-2007, 08:08 PM
http:// lh.jpg

mrs reb77
02-22-2007, 08:13 PM
Tsk tsk tsk! I do believe that posting your e-mail address is a no-no. Have you read the forum rules concerning that and controversial avatars? How is James' avatar political? I thought it was a play on porky pig and the cartoons or something? Were the Looney Tunes political?

tinknocker44
02-22-2007, 08:14 PM
Then why use a negative avatar?Don't you enjoy this site being able to debate and see different oppinions?You contribute alot....try to be more positive.Your avatar would make me not listen to your oppinions.Respect other people.Enjoy this site for what it is. OH and have a nice day.....

I tried that when I first got here.

obxdist
02-22-2007, 08:17 PM
What.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ....

glennac
02-22-2007, 08:32 PM
wHATS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE SHOULD BE GOOD FOR THE GANDER!

But I guess that remains to be seen...............

Tin you and Harley are hard to figure. Tin’s avatar was slanderous to the President of the US. That should not be allowed. Your current avatar while very political doesn’t defame the President. Harley that first avatar of yours would make a maggot puke. Cross dressers shouldn’t be allowed out of good taste unless you are a woman. It really was sickening. James’ avatar is funny and far less offensive than the current one by Tin. It’s cute whereas Tin’s is provokative but it doesn’t in my opinion compare too the two former avatars you guys had. I can say a little about that myself because I had to take (in my opinion) a perfectly good avatar off and I didn’t cry about it. I just accepted it and went on. It was a picture of General Lee with the Stars and Bars in the background. I was told to lower the flag because it might offend some delicate individuals. So stop crying and respect other peoples’ feelings. You all the time say that the Democrats are far more caring and less callous than the evil Republicans or conservatives.

coolwhip
02-22-2007, 08:36 PM
Damn, does this mean I cant post my Rommel avatar?:(

Harleyrider
02-22-2007, 08:43 PM
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/2554/msnemoticoncry207ak1.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

so you really talk to yourself and answer yourself on a public forum,,,,,,,:eek: ,, that's just bad

You know they can treat MPD


another a$$wipe add to the ignorant list............

mrs reb77
02-22-2007, 08:47 PM
Now, there you go again. No need for you to call someone names, just ignore them! If you've only been here three days I would think you would have more respect for the members than to start out in this manner.
Now, step back, take a deep breath and please, keep your names to yourself if you don't want them thrown back at you. We've already heard enough whining from you.

Roscoe
02-22-2007, 09:00 PM
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeharleyrider

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/9889/harlymopedgx4.png (http://imageshack.us)

.............:D ...fag

jrbenny
02-22-2007, 09:06 PM
That's enough. Let's cool it on both sides.