A quiz question of my own.

[Guy]

What do the words "Israel" and "iron" have in common?

[mylanta]

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[RoBoTeq]

Aside from both words begginning with the letter I and both containing an R there is no etymological connection between the words.

Iron is germanic origin borrowed from the Celts to be introduced into English in the form we use it to describe the ferrous metal.

Israel is a name meaning "wrestled with God" in Hebrew that was given to Jacob by God.

So, unless this is a joke quiz, I am looking forward to learning something new.

[Guy]

Ok, I should have been a bit more specific. What do words *like* Israel and iron have in common, because I'm sure there are others...

[mylanta]

They both start with the letter i.

What'd I win? What'd I win?

[Guy]

You win a black "i". Think a bit more...

[htg guy]

their both states?
Not sure how to explain it better.
Iron is a state of steel and Israel is a stateof Jerusulam.
I think?

[Edited by htg guy on 04-22-2002 at 04:11 PM]

[Guy]

You are trying to relate the actual word meanings... I'm just asking about those words in particular, as it relates to the English language.

[wolfdog]

You're not very good at this quiz thing Guy.

[Guy]

Ok, here is the answer: These two words are not pronounced like they are spelled, but actually contain an inversion. In English, people say "Israel" as if it was spelled "Isreal", and "iron" as if it was "iorn". Interestingly, "Israeli" becomes correctly pronounced!

[mylanta]

...ARE YOU NUTS?!? Who here, but for 2 liars, know what the hell you are talking about? Us southerners are known for murderinig pro-nun-ci-a-tion, and those scum bag dirt bag northerners here don't even say half the letters in certain words (like those that end with 'r'). So having a question based on 'perfect English' pronunciation is crazy. Aren't you a Canadian? I have watched Canadian hockey before, and to me, it sure doesn't sound like english they are speaking, it sounds foreign, like french or something. So don't talk to us about how to pronounce words - were still trying to figure out if dead possums are food if they have been dead for over 1 hours but less than 4 hours. Speaking with correct pronunciation is much longer down the evolutionalry path than that.

[Guy]

Ah, but I'm speaking in terms of even the most "correct usage" anywhere, like TV news, etc. That's how these words are pronounced. But then again, all this is for the fun and entertainment of everyone, so feel free to not take these questions too seriously;)

[BamaCracker]

OK.

[htg guy]

"I've watched Canadian Hockey and it sounds foreign, French or somethin"

Half those hockey players ARE French Canadian & the other half are American.(Scum bag dirt bag Yankees) Not alot of Billy Joe's or Bobby Ray's on those teams. It would make for a tuff time skating with all that tobacco on the ice. If you don't understand what they're saying, go back outside and play with your Possums, and leave hockey to the people that understand it eh. Or perhaps, jump in your ca and go to the ba.

[mylanta]

Oops that me you are yelling at.

Now I have to grovel.

I remember as a small kid going to Red Wings games and watching Mr Hockey, Gordie Howe, play. When in college I would visit my folks in Connecticut, I remember watching Gordie and his two sons play for the Hartford Whalers. And I loved watching The Great One play hockey at a level higher than anyone else knew existed.

[htg guy]

I'm afraid that Gordie and his two son's only played together for the Houston Aeros of the world hockey assoc. back in the seventies. Mr. hockey was the only one that played for the New England and Hartford Whalers. He came out of retirement to play with his two sons. You must have been watching Jeb Howe and his two boys Bubba and Howdie.

[mylanta]

"Gordie, Mark and Marty would play for six years together before Gordie retired in 1980."

Gordie played with the Whalers from 1977 - 1980.
Mark played with the Whalers from 1979 - 1982.
Marty played with the Whalers from 1977 - 1985.

"October 11, 1979. [Gordie] Returned to the NHL after an eight-year absence, skating for the Hartford Whalers in the club’s first-ever NHL game. Howe’s sons, Marty and Mark also dressed for Whalers, marking the first time an NHL team had ever fielded a father-son combination in the line-up. All three Howes were held scoreless as Hartford lost 4-1 at Minnesota."

"March 9, 1980. Realized a lifelong dream of playing alongside sons Marty and Mark in NHL game. While Gordie and Mark were appearing in the 65th and 62nd games of the season, respectively, Marty was marking his Whaler and NHL debut. None of the three Howe’s reached the scoresheet, as Hartford tied the Bruins 1-1 at Boston Gardens."

From http://www.mrhockey.com/history/mr_hockey_bio.html

Apologies accepted promptly. :D

Further reseach shows these # of games played for...
WHA New England Whalers 1977-78: Gordie 76, Mark 70, Marty 75
WHA New England Whalers 1978-79: Gordie 58, Mark 77, Marty 66
NHL Hartford Whalers 1979-80: Gordie 80, Mark 74, Marty 6
Source: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0001691979.html

[Edited by mylanta on 04-23-2002 at 09:32 AM]

[infwsdm]

Originally posted by Guy
Ok, here is the answer: These two words are not pronounced like they are spelled, but actually contain an inversion. In English, people say "Israel" as if it was spelled "Isreal", and "iron" as if it was "iorn". Interestingly, "Israeli" becomes correctly pronounced!


Most of the english languge is like that!!:D

[RoBoTeq]

There is no way with my perfect enunciations I could have ever conceived that answer.