You Might Be A Democrat If

[retired btc]

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by Steven Plaut

* You feel Fidelity means not cheating on your mistress.

* You think that pornography corrupts women, but find nothing wrong
with a 50 year old president seducing a 21 year old intern.

* You cry every May 4th over the four people killed at Kent State, but
have never been to the Vietnam Memorial.

* Along the same lines, "Four Dead in OHIO" by Neil Young gives you
goosebumps, but "19" by Paul Hardcastle means nothing to you.

* You say shows like "Leave It to Beaver" are out of touch with America
today, while you flip to your soap opera.

* You know of the stockpile of biological weapons in Iraq, but think
that the US is wrong for not signing the land mines treaty.

* You want to know why we don't offer schooling in prisons (hey, isn't
that what public schools are for).

* You think those stupid ribbons actually ac! complish something.

* You tout the NAACP, but criticize anyone referring to a black man as
a "colored person."

* You think a mother has a right to kill an innocent 5 month fetus
because her pregnancy would interfere with her career, but feel we shouldn't put to death the man who raped and murdered 14 women.

* You feel that banning smoking in public indoor places limits your
constitutional rights.

* You feel that being convicted of treason is an infringement on your
first amendment rights.

* You honestly feel that alcoholics deserve social security disability
benefits.

* You outwardly said "I would have voted for Elizabeth Dole" knowing
darn well you wouldn't have because she is a Republican.

* You think it is ok for a President to commit perjury on his sex life,
but criticize Dan Quayle for spelling potato/potatoe wrong.

* You stood on a soapbox demanding that Anita Hill be heard, but want Paula Jones' accusations to be swept under the rug.

* You think the guy who drops out of High School and builds your jeep
deserves more money than the doctor who went to college for 10 years
and saves your kids life.

* You sang along to "Give Peace a Chance" during the Gulf War.

* You've filed for unemployment within two weeks of getting out of high
school.

* You went to Woodstock II and felt that it was a significant
historical event, changing the way our country thinks.

* You own something that says, "Dukakis for President," and still
display
it.

* You've tried to argue in favor of anything based on, "Well, they're
gonna do it anyway so..."

* You've ever said, "We really should call the ACLU about this."

* You believe that a few hundred loggers can find another career, but
the defenseless spotted owl must live in its preferred tree.

* You ever based an argument on the phrase,! "But they can afford a tax
hike because..."

* You've ever argued that with just one more year of welfare that
person will turn it around and get off drugs.

* You think Lennon was a brilliant social commentator.

* You keep count of how many people you know in each racial or ethnic
category.

* You believe our government must do it because everyone in Europe
does.

* After looking at your pay stub you can still say, "America is
undertaxed."

[tinknocker44]

You left a few out.


If you're smart enough to know that the President lied to start a war. You're a Lib.


If you're not playing strip twister with pages. You're a lib.


If you think for yourself. You're a lib.


If you're not cutting VA funding. You're a lib.

[retired btc]

You left a few out.


If you're smart enough to know that the President lied to start a war. You're a Lib.


If you're not playing strip twister with pages. You're a lib.


If you think for yourself. You're a lib.


If you're not cutting VA funding. You're a lib.

Hmmmmmm you'll have to pass this on to the original author listed here http://liberalscum.com/

[tinknocker44]

Hmmmmmm you'll have to pass this on to the original author listed here http://liberalscum.com/



Done. Probably to ignorant to listen. Why should he be any different than the pugs on this board.

[chillbilly]

Hmmmmmm you'll have to pass this on to the original author listed here http://liberalscum.com/


LOL. Nice site retired btc.
I'm sure tin would be better served sending his "list" to the nurse who gives him his daily fig newton and juice box while she swabs the drool off his chin.....or is it drool?:D :D :D

[wen-sar]

you are a Republican if..

you slap a 3 dollar bumper sticker on your car that says "I support our troops".. but don't bother demanding those troops get decent body armor or shielded vehicles..

you wave a flag and tell everyone you love the soldiers..
but never bother demanding they get continuing decent medical care once they've been injured..

you insist that the Inheritance tax (which affects fewer than 2 tenths of the population at the top of the wealth ladder) be ended..
but attack giving the poorest Americans a decent wage hike..

you say the economy is great..
but never mention that during the last 6 George W. Bush led years, more DEBT has been accumulated than in the last 200 years.. and the largest number of bankruptcies and lowest savings rates have occurred under George W. Bush

:D

[HOT SHOT]

Done. Probably to ignorant to listen. Why should he be any different than the pugs on this board.

In this instance, the word TO should be spelled with 2 O's. Ironic, considering this misspelling preceeds the word ignorant. Liberals!

[chillbilly]

=wen-sar;1379155]you are a Republican if..

you slap a 3 dollar bumper sticker on your car that says "I support our troops".. but don't bother demanding those troops get decent body armor or shielded vehicles..
LOL Yeah right.:rolleyes: Write your liberal democratic congressman. I trust you have your share of them out there where you reside.
Ask them to supply you with their voting record on body armour.
While you're at it, have them tell you how they voted with regards to Iraq.
Demand all you want. You demands won't be met unless your reps vote the way you want them to vote.


you wave a flag and tell everyone you love the soldiers..
but never bother demanding they get continuing decent medical care once they've been injured..
What is it with you? Do you honestly think anyone gives a rat's ass about what you or anyone else "demands"??
Again, petition your congressman. You don't have to be from any particular political party to do that.


you insist that the Inheritance tax (which affects fewer than 2 tenths of the population at the top of the wealth ladder) be ended..
but attack giving the poorest Americans a decent wage hike..
Well, how about showing the monetary figures that represent the percentge you've quoted for the Inheritance Tax??
You're probably one of those people who think profitability and profits is a crime too.


you say the economy is great..
but never mention that during the last 6 George W. Bush led years, more DEBT has been accumulated than in the last 200 years.. and the largest number of bankruptcies and lowest savings rates have occurred under George W. Bush
So, are we to assume that individual accountability for debt is the president's fault?
You also "fail to mention" that the economy has been strong and unemployment low, in spite of expenditures approching 600 billion in the middle east.
Oh yeah that's right...we should have spent all that money on those who refuse to make their own living and other social giveaways.
We can also wait for those around the world who hate us to attack us again.
I'll bet you were one of those people waving that same flag and proclaiming your love of our troops after 9/11, huh?

[smokin68]

Nothing sparks the economy like a war. While a futile money-pit, the war in Iraq did boost the economy, however the national debt is growing....

[obxdist]

If you disrespect our current president. Putting { loser } over our presidents head.
Cry like a little girl that dosent get her way.
First to run from battle.
Never lie.
And some drool from the mouth.

[retired btc]

More stuff here

http://www.cafepress.com/beatbushgear

[obxdist]

More stuff here

http://www.cafepress.com/beatbushgear

Imagine the Iraqi's that would run if knocker face had balls and wore them shorts.We could end the Iraq war.Disgusting victory.He would be crying on battle field and Iraqi's would die laughing.

[James 3528]

Nothing sparks the economy like a war. While a futile money-pit, the war in Iraq did boost the economy, however the national debt is growing....

The war in Iraq has little to do with the economy and you can't spark it based on that and create a debt based on same. Every minute American buys $285,000 worth of merchandise from China. We aren't buying military related items to fight a war with... Although it represents a trade deficit that is astronomical, it says America has buying power. Do you look at what you write?

[seatonheating]

Imagine the Iraqi's that would run if knocker face had balls and wore them shorts.We could end the Iraq war.Disgusting victory.He would be crying on battle field and Iraqi's would die laughing.


I still have never understood 1 thing this guy has said!

[rango]

You betcha. I think all the china trade is all the women in the U.S. buying those knickknacks from Ltd Commodities.

[isitfixedyet]

:eek: [Here we Go!
AGAIN.............................
oh , well.
If you can get it right then, blame someone else, oh i might be a republicant!

If you get in trouble or nobody agrees with you, make excuses, blame somone, or raise other issues shifting the focus and blame, on others,
oh, I might be a republicant!

If you dont want to have somone coming after you, create some laws,and intimidate people investigating you or bringing up issues or questions, that could stop your personal interest agenda, wow, i might be a republican...!

If you think like a vindictive, old english rule, or southern confederate republican,
you might of voted for Bush jr and bush sr.

If you sound like, rush limbaugh, you might be glenn beck, and are funded to spew garbage loudmouthed, broken record schpeel, that will soon result in the same way it did limburger! talk about special interest groups?
and calling the pot black? yes u might be a republicant!

If you believe or think, that having a fresh start will hurt this country, or your polls on the rising percentage of hard working americans filing for bankruptcies, will hurt your ratings and popularity, then you create laws to hinder and hamper the access of one exercising his fundamental right, YES U MIght BE Republicant!

If you Believe in having to prove one's innocence, and removing the presumption of innocence standard, and ridding or hampering and hindering Habeas corpus, yes you might be republican,,,,
of course thats anti-democracy, which is equivelant to anti-american, which is treason, going aginst the fundamental principles for which it stands! yes u might be republican! shifting the burdon of proof, is a republican thing!

ANd yes, you might Be republican, if you, create a fear factor or threat factor law to use a safety issue to defeat individual privacy laws to safegaurd
ones family to choose medicine use, and abortion up to three months of the fetus birth, and yet not making the mother not equally financially responsible at the same time , creates more govt intrusions upon families, and makes men to be responsible for them not using contraceptives as well as men are equally, yet it creates more govt jobs, and less orphanages/unwanted births and more Welfare,,, republican double fed agenda double talking double standards, flip flopping!!!! yes u might be a republican!

you might be a republican, if u dip into the social security fund, and believe the futre children, dont need any retirement funds, or are entitled to retire?

you might be a republican, if you think the elderly, can and should take care of themselves!

you might be a republican, if you go around judging others, while chatting/seducing online - young boys, and then resigning from office, a couple months or so back ,,,

you might be a republican, if you create anti-american sentiment with our allies,a nd all other countries , barracading yourself in , and being afraid they might retaliate,and then go around saying , i feel safer, now that , bush caused a war, and destroyed a nation,and caused a civil war, and more racism in our country and segregation,and bi-partisanhip than ever before in the past 40 years ,,,,,

you might be a republican if u fine US employers for hiring immigrants from mexico, and the not fine US employers doing business with communist countries or countries that pose a threat and real danger with weapons of mass destruction, not grand disillusionment,, the proceeds of these companies funding them to build nuclear facilities suchas korea, china, tawian, japan , germany,,,, yet u have a retirement home in mexico, or vacation there, and they help keep factories and farmers from losing their business to corporate america,,, while passing the cheap costs of fruit and veggies to the consumer, and from buying expensive automated equipment and machinery,, yes it makes a lot of sense, and to spend billions to build a communist fence on our border, but do business with comunist is different?, makes alot of sense to a republican, yes u might be a republican!

you might think your're safe, and brag about having a gun, while creating world hatred towards all of us. or hunting mexicans, and saying mexican families are here to make weapons of mass delusion, and take american jobs, and hurt the economy,,, and that all the taxes they pay into and refunds they leave uncollected and welfare they cant get becasue theyre not legal or have legitimate ss numbers to get emergency care for women children and elderly care, at hospitals or drivers licenses, to cause more accidents, yes u might be a republican

if you think that , do unto your neighbor as you'd have them do unto you, is not a commandment,then dont cry, when Mexico and other countries seize your property and investments,and criminalize you and deport you, even as tourists, and yes you might be a republican!

you justify and minimize, the losses and irreparable damages, caused by lack of good judgment and the failure to act in a timely fashion, yes u might be a republican

If you can talk the talk,and cant walk the walk, yes youre a republican!

If you want Americans to die for Oil, and cant find or come up with better solutions than the iranians that have the most oil reserves, and u cant keep the control out of their hands dont blame terrorism
call it what it is
the world is not blind!
Saudi's didnt like us anyways but they sell to us at 77 a barrel Vs. 44 from Mexico? Didnt Mexico , also help Rebuild Orleans? Imagine if Mexico, made the profits from THe US they might want to stay home, and We wouldnt have to worry about them building a Nuclear facility to destroy us! that doesnt make any sense though or deserves any attention, ??? its a republican thing? flip flop, flip flop!
The saudis were identified, on the plane, that flew into the towers,,,,
and if you dont agree or change the subject or shift blame, or have nothing to say, yes u might be a republican?

if u dont think global warming is an issue, and u cut down a forest, yes disasters follow, u might be a republican!

if u think all foreigners of ethnicity or minorities, should be locked up or have aids or be in deported, u might be republican.

If you think women and minorities should serve u , and the world should cater to you and revolves around you , yes ur a republican!

If you have a immigration raid at the orange fields etc u can call it a state of emergency if ur the govenor of california, and yes u might be a a republican?

If you cant develop alternative fuel methods, because of hurting the personally owned/involved oil business, and the loss of kick backs, yes you might live in california, and have to buy water,and have brownouts
due to lack of foresight and preventive thinking, and yes its a republican thing!

If u believe in segregation, u might be a republican..

it goes on and on,,,,and yes u might be a republican if u got something to fear or that it bothers u that a minority or woman might be the next president

nothing to fear ,but fear itself,,,

unless ur from the chicken little regime, and yes hes republican,,,

u might think supporting the troops, is by supporting bush's hidden interest agenda of putting somone into power from saudi to help us keep having oil access,, ?

AND IF YOU BUY JAPAN, VEHICLES,AND CHINESE TOOLS,AND KOREAN ELECTRONICS, THEN UR SUPPORTING COMMUNIST COUNTRIES BUILD NUCLEAR WEAPONS FROM YOUR FUNDS, BUT MEXICO DOESNT? YES UR REPUBLICAN

IF YOU GIVE YOUR LUNCH MONEY AWAY TO THE BULLY , AND THAT MAKES U FEEL SAFER EVERYDAY, IT SENDS A CLEAR MESSAGE OF HOW VULNERABLE, AND COWARDISM IS DISPLAYED, YES U MIGHT BE REPUBLICAN, ,IF U CANT FIND WORKING RESOLUTIONS,FRIENDS ALLIES,AND NEIGHBORS THEN YES UR REPUBLICAN

[HOT SHOT]

On the Mexican side of the border, you have Mexican nationalists preaching about how they plan to 'take back' the American southwest by flooding immigrants into those parts of the country and birthing their children in the U.S. so they are American citizens who can grow up and vote for the Mexican nationalist agenda. Believe it or not, this has been happening for a long time now, and I have yet to see a Democrat do anything but dodge questions on this topic. All the Dems ever do is sit back and dodge questions on every topic, because if you don't take a stance on anything you can't be critisized if it turns out bad. Hillary Clinton is a pro when it comes to never answering a question asked of her, and 'oh how easy it is' to sit back and talk all this crap about republicans when nobody else has any kind of solutions. Grow some cahonas. Or go to a Mexican border town and get a Mex-government produced pamplet on where the best spots to jump the border are, complete with maps and directions to the welfare offices in every major city in the southwest. If you can sit here and tell me that's just fine and dandy with you, you're definantly a democrat.

[isitfixedyet]

On the Mexican side of the border, you have Mexican nationalists preaching about how they plan to 'take back' the (ANSWER) who's said that? dont be spewing your BS around and trying to use fear to get everybody to jump the band wagon, cause you cant fit in society, cause youre ignorant upbringing taught you to fear and hate and feel threatened by what you dont know! nobodys going to take nothing back, , thats not what they preach, unlike the garbage youre spilling around here!

American southwest by flooding immigrants into those parts of the country and birthing their children in the U.S. so they are American citizens who can grow up and vote for the Mexican nationalist agenda.(A) oh okay !

Believe it or not, (A) this isnt Ripleys BElieve it or not, this isnt, because you told us so , so it must be true, the real issues at hand are how bush destroyed this nation, and caused a civil war, amongs is giving your tax dollars or school lunch money away to feel safer at the playground and your expense, go build another communist fence along the border, yet do business with communist countries that are using those profits of your dollars to make nuclear facitlites etc, japan, china korea, germany,,, lol believe it or not!

and athis has been happening for a long time now, and I have yet to see a Democrat do anything but dodge questions on this topic.(A) bush is doging the truth since he started a war, and destroyed the safety factor that world peace is at risk, and he escalated an arms race, and promoted anti american seniment everywhere!
All the Dems ever do is sit back and dodge questions on every topic, (A) like bush shifting the blame and responsibility and the focus to the dems, lol
because if you don't take a stance on anything you can't be critisized if it turns out bad. Hillary Clinton is a pro when it comes to never answering a question asked of her, and 'oh how easy it is' to sit back and talk all this crap about republicans when nobody else has any kind of solutions. Grow some cahonas. Or go to a Mexican border town and get a Mex-government produced pamplet on where the best spots to jump the border are, complete with maps and directions to the welfare offices in every major city in the southwest. If you can sit here and tell me that's just fine and dandy with you, you're definantly a democrat. the mexican immigrant cant even get a legitimate id to receive a drivers license medical care, bennies or a tax refund, so how they going to get welfare?
are you on crack, or just lost your mind?

[HOT SHOT]

the mexican immigrant cant even get a legitimate id to receive a drivers license medical care, bennies or a tax refund, so how they going to get welfare?
are you on crack, or just lost your mind?

See how easy it is to sit back and be a left-wing bomb thrower? Tried to discredit me by impying I must be smoking crack, and saying I've had an ignorant upbringing with out even knowing anything about me personally. It's a shame that this is what is considered debate from you socialist hippies, you people live in ideals when the rest of us live in real world. And you're the only one on any bandwagon, with the rest of the inbred Bush haters who have no policy for a solution on any topic, because your party is too scared to stick their neck out and stand for anything. God forbid it could get messy, so lets just sit back and do nothing. Oops, sorry I said God... didn't mean to offend you and the A.C.L.U.

[isitfixedyet]

by shifting the balme or excuses or copping out to blame Dems for your party's mistakes, and god was taken out of the everything by your party, including freedom of privacy, freedom of choice, and yes many other things!
your ignorance doesnt offend me, its your unwilingness to understand that yes GOD, did create all equal! and that u should treat your neighbors, as you want them to treat you!
and yes were not capitolist,its a socialist!
FIRST the Bush admin, wont stand on anything, lets give a clue to you wing dings, a(A NON- BINDING SOLUTION)
is that specific enough for u to understand, who wont stand on anything, or give away your lunch money , so you can feel safer???
youre really smart!;) :eek:

[HOT SHOT]

The only reason people get elected in your party is because of people looking for hand-outs. Besides the obvious welfare recipients votes, Dems also (as sad as it may be) get alot of farmers votes because of the federal money that flows in as a result. However, I have yet to ever meet a 'good ol boy' from the country who believed in abortion, gay marriage, gun control or any other political platform the Dems have aligned themselves with. I bring this up only to point out that the actual percentage of people in this country who agree with your hippie agenda is slim. The Dems buy their votes from those who look the other way while the party they voted in deteriorates our society to no end. Poll afted poll shows the majority of Americans beleive in conservative family values, so why then, do the Dems ever get into office? It's the people who are willing to look the other way for their livelyhood. But at least I still get satisfaction knowing that that people who are truely like you are few and far between.

[James 3528]

the mexican immigrant cant even get a legitimate id to receive a drivers license medical care, bennies or a tax refund, so how they going to get welfare?
are you on crack, or just lost your mind?They can get all of that stuff

[HOT SHOT]

by shifting the balme or excuses or copping out to blame Dems for your party's mistakes, and god was taken out of the everything by your party, including freedom of privacy, freedom of choice, and yes many other things!
your ignorance doesnt offend me, its your unwilingness to understand that yes GOD, did create all equal! and that u should treat your neighbors, as you want them to treat you!
and yes were not capitolist,its a socialist!
FIRST the Bush admin, wont stand on anything, lets give a clue to you wing dings, a(A NON- BINDING SOLUTION)
is that specific enough for u to understand, who wont stand on anything, or give away your lunch money , so you can feel safer???
youre really smart!;) :eek:

If I remember correctly the A.C.L.U. is taking god out of everything, I didn't know that was an arm of the republican party?

[sline-dawg]

But at least I still get satisfaction knowing that that people who are truely like you are few and far between.



It's a big old two way street there bro.......:p

[HOT SHOT]

It's a big old two way street there bro.......:p

Opinions are like armpits, everyone's got more than one, and yours stink:rolleyes:

[geerair]

If I remember correctly the A.C.L.U. is taking god out of everything, Did they take prayer out of schools?

[mark beiser]

Both parties suck. I say we burn down the whole 2 party system and start over from scratch!

[The Doctor]

Did they take prayer out of schools?

who, the ACLU? yep! and even if they didn't do it alone, they are at the helm of the majority of the "separation" cases currently.
I still can't find separation in the 1st amendment.

[The Doctor]

I second Mr. Beiser's motion. this thread has indicted both parties on multiple fronts. i second MB's motion to dissolve both parties AS WE KNOW THEM. so what year will be the year known as the year of the third party? and furthermore, how will this get done since we're stuck here in ARP?

[The Doctor]

by shifting the balme or excuses or copping out to blame Dems for your party's mistakes, and god was taken out of the everything by your party, including freedom of privacy, freedom of choice, and yes many other things!
your ignorance doesnt offend me, its your unwilingness to understand that yes GOD, did create all equal! and that u should treat your neighbors, as you want them to treat you!
and yes were not capitolist,its a socialist!
FIRST the Bush admin, wont stand on anything, lets give a clue to you wing dings, a(A NON- BINDING SOLUTION)
is that specific enough for u to understand, who wont stand on anything, or give away your lunch money , so you can feel safer???
youre really smart!;) :eek:
??????
somebody cut this guy off from the sauce :p
the case by Madelaine Murray O'Hare which was to remove prayer from public schools--she was a commie--last I checked that's neither of our two parties.

[mrs reb77]

??????
somebody cut this guy off from the sauce :p
the case by Madelaine Murray O'Hare which was to remove prayer from public schools--she was a commie--last I checked that's neither of our two parties.

Here here! Send in the meds, please!

Mark B. has it right!!!!

[HOT SHOT]

Here here! Send in the meds, please!

Mark B. has it right!!!!

He wouldn't accept them unless it was a government freebe.

[geerair]

who, the ACLU? yep! and even if they didn't do it alone, they are at the helm of the majority of the "separation" cases currently. Students may pray at school. Students may carry bibles. Students may form religious clubs and use school facilities for their clubs.

Prayer has not been removed from school.





I still can't find separation in the 1st amendment.[/QUOTE]See the establishment and free exercise clauses.

[geerair]

??????
somebody cut this guy off from the sauce :p
the case by Madelaine Murray O'Hare which was to remove prayer from public schools--she was a commie--last I checked that's neither of our two parties.MMO was not involved in either of the Supreme Court cases which prohibited government sponsored or led prayer.

[dw1]

MMO was not involved in either of the Supreme Court cases which prohibited government sponsored or led prayer.

Would you please clarify that?

[mrs reb77]

MMO was not involved in either of the Supreme Court cases which prohibited government sponsored or led prayer.


???:confused:


Abington Township School District v. Schempp (consolidated with Murray v. Curlett), 374 U.S. 203 (1963),[1] was a United States Supreme Court case argued on February 27–28, 1963 and decided on June 17, 1963. In the case, the Court decided 8-1 in favor of the respondent, Edward Schempp, and declared school sponsored Bible reading in public schools in the United States to be unconstitutional. The case was part of a string of Supreme Court cases ruling on the place of religion in public schools, and was both condemned by religious conservatives and celebrated by those who supported constitutional separation of church and state.

[mrs reb77]

Would you please clarify that?

Yeah, clarify that......you cannot because you are making up stuff again.

[dw1]

Yeah, clarify that......you cannot because you are making up stuff again.

:cool:

[chillbilly]

Yeah, clarify that......you cannot because you are making up stuff again.


If greer's postin'.............he's lyin':D :D :D

[Roscoe]

In this instance, the word TO should be spelled with 2 O's. Ironic, considering this misspelling preceeds the word ignorant. Liberals!
ROFLMAO

ah.....precedes .............spell check hehe


You're right.

They won't get it.................:D

[obxdist]

I still have never understood 1 thing this guy has said!

Probably was drinking the free coffee sitting on a stool.
Watching phatknocker tell you what to do.......

[geerair]

Would you please clarify that?MMO was not a party to the first two "prayer in school" cases before the Supreme Court.

[The Doctor]

Would you please clarify that?

he's denying that one of his heroes had anything to do with bringing lawsuits regarding prayer in public schools. typical liberal deflection of (direct) involvement. if she wasn't involved, why did her own son write books about the whole affair, sparing her the fond and sweet and sighing reinvention that is so typical of liberal spin. maybe she wasn't named as plaintiff, perhaps you skate on that note...but to say she wasn't party is rather disingenuous.
Engel v. Vitale ...look it up.

[The Doctor]

Students may pray at school. Students may carry bibles. Students may form religious clubs and use school facilities for their clubs.

Prayer has not been removed from school.
touche'





I still can't find separation in the 1st amendment.See the establishment and free exercise clauses.[/QUOTE]

so with your logic and your own admission in the atheism thread that nature is enough of a god for you , where does this end? do we eliminate all instruction on nature because some one might get offended hearing about your god? Of course not. But do you piss and moan about earth day?
only when it is about something some poor soul doesn't like to hear, and they're so disadvantaged and downtrodden, God forbid we tell someone that there's hope in something other than themselves on the public dime. why...that might offend someone. Get a grip man, and stop relying on the government to make your life better. And you can spare me the retorts about MY shoving it down your little atheist throat, I couldn't care less if public education stopped at this moment, and only the confiscation of my tax dollars supports it. It's another colossal waste of time and money, and another excuse for people to farm out the raising of their own children, but I digress...

[geerair]

so with your logic and your own admission in the atheism thread that nature is enough of a god for you , where does this end? Einstein's god not mine. I have no gods before me.





do we eliminate all instruction on nature because some one might get offended hearing about your god? Of course not. But do you piss and moan about earth day? You eliminate instruction on nature, you eliminate science. Of course given your musings on science you have already eliminated it from your intellectual life.





only when it is about something some poor soul doesn't like to hear, and they're so disadvantaged and downtrodden, God forbid we tell someone that there's hope in something other than themselves on the public dime.
why...that might offend someone. Religion is not a part of our government's job description. We have churches whose sole purpose is to give false hope to the easily duped.



Get a grip man, and stop relying on the government to make your life better.Rely on the government?

Better to rely on the Constitution.




And you can spare me the retorts about MY shoving it down your little atheist throat, I couldn't care less if public education stopped at this moment, and only the confiscation of my tax dollars supports it. It's another colossal waste of time and money, and another excuse for people to farm out the raising of their own children, but I digress...Yes, far better to homeschool so fundy parents can teach that the moon is made of green cheese and the earth is flat.

[mrs reb77]

MMO was not a party to the first two "prayer in school" cases before the Supreme Court.

Yes, it does appear that she was:

In 1960, Murray filed a lawsuit (Murray v. Curlett) against the Baltimore, Maryland School District in which she claimed it was unconstitutional for her son William to participate in Bible readings at Baltimore public schools. She further went on to claim that her son's refusal to partake in the Bible readings had made him the victim of violence from other classmates, violence that she claimed was overlooked by administrators. (Her son William later publicly averred that her claims of him being a victim of violence were fraudulent; see below.) In 1963, this suit (amalgamated with the similar Abington School District v. Schempp) reached the United States Supreme Court which voted 8-1 in her favor, effectively banning "coercive" public prayer and Bible-reading at public schools in the United States.

[geerair]

he's denying that one of his heroes had anything to do with bringing lawsuits regarding prayer in public schools. Heroes? I considered MMO a publicity seeking blot on atheism.




typical liberal deflection of (direct) involvement. if she wasn't involved, why did her own son write books about the whole affair, sparing her the fond and sweet and sighing reinvention that is so typical of liberal spin.Could you give me the title of this alleged book? I'm not familiar with it.

I think you are referring to the Abington trial, not Engel v. Vitale




maybe she wasn't named as plaintiff, perhaps you skate on that note...but to say she wasn't party is rather disingenuous.
Engel v. Vitale ...look it up.Very familiar with E v.V. No mention of MMO in the trial.

[mrs reb77]

Could you give me the title of this alleged book? I'm not familiar with it.

I think you are referring to the Abington trial, not Engel v. Vitale



Very familiar with E v.V. No mention of MMO in the trial.


Detailed information on Madalyn Murray O'Hair can be found in William J. Murray's book, My Life Without God.

In 1960, Murray filed a lawsuit (Murray v. Curlett) against the Baltimore, Maryland School District in which she claimed it was unconstitutional for her son William to participate in Bible readings at Baltimore public schools.
(Her son William later publicly averred that her claims of him being a victim of violence were fraudulent; see below.) In 1963, this suit (amalgamated with the similar Abington School District v. Schempp) reached the United States Supreme Court which voted 8-1 in her favor, effectively banning "coercive" public prayer and Bible-reading at public schools in the United States

[geerair]

Yes, it does appear that she was:

In 1960, Murray filed a lawsuit (Murray v. Curlett) against the Baltimore, Maryland School District in which she claimed it was unconstitutional for her son William to participate in Bible readings at Baltimore public schools. She further went on to claim that her son's refusal to partake in the Bible readings had made him the victim of violence from other classmates, violence that she claimed was overlooked by administrators. (Her son William later publicly averred that her claims of him being a victim of violence were fraudulent; see below.) In 1963, this suit (amalgamated with the similar Abington School District v. Schempp) reached the United States Supreme Court which voted 8-1 in her favor, effectively banning "coercive" public prayer and Bible-reading at public schools in the United States.Yes, you are correct. However, she was not involved in Engel v. Vitale.

My mistake.

[geerair]

Detailed information on Madalyn Murray O'Hair can be found in William J. Murray's book, My Life Without God.

In 1960, Murray filed a lawsuit (Murray v. Curlett) against the Baltimore, Maryland School District in which she claimed it was unconstitutional for her son William to participate in Bible readings at Baltimore public schools.
(Her son William later publicly averred that her claims of him being a victim of violence were fraudulent; see below.) In 1963, this suit (amalgamated with the similar Abington School District v. Schempp) reached the United States Supreme Court which voted 8-1 in her favor, effectively banning "coercive" public prayer and Bible-reading at public schools in the United StatesYes, it was about Abington but not about Engel v Vitale.

[HOT SHOT]

ROFLMAO

ah.....precedes .............spell check hehe


You're right.

They won't get it.................:D

D@mn! Good stuff, my foot doesn't taste as bad as I thought it might.

[James 3528]

You might be a democrat if you lie and tell people you are a Independent, your last name starts with a "G", live in Texas and would split your tongue in half to more eficently kiss both sides of a democrats ass.

[geerair]

You might be a democrat if you lie and tell people you are a Independent, your last name starts with a "G", live in Texas and would split your tongue in half to more eficently kiss both sides of a democrats ass.Poor james, feels so guilty for voting for Bush twice and the Republican Culture of Corruption, he lashes out at any innocent bystanders.

We must understand his guilt and his feelings of worthlessness now that his beloved party is nothing more than a herd of corrupt losers banished to the jails and courts of America.

[James 3528]

Poor james, feels so guilty for voting for Bush twice and the Republican Culture of Corruption, he lashes out at any innocent bystanders.

We must understand his guilt and his feelings of worthlessness now that his beloved party is nothing more than a herd of corrupt losers banished to the jails and courts of America.


Geer, wiggling from being nailed again.....stay still....the pain will go away.

[geerair]

Geer, wiggling from being nailed again.....stay still....the pain will go away.Says the Ayatollah of Foot shooting. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p :p :p :p :p

[mrs reb77]

geer?

[geerair]

geer?Aw hell Ms. reb, I'm much taller than that. ;) ;) :D :D

[The Doctor]

Einstein's god not mine. I have no gods before me.




You eliminate instruction on nature, you eliminate science. Of course given your musings on science you have already eliminated it from your intellectual life.
I can provide lots of evidence to the contrary, but it's obvious you're interested only in your own point of view.

Religion is not a part of our government's job description. We have churches whose sole purpose is to give false hope to the easily duped.
are you trying to get back at your parents or what?


Rely on the government?

Better to rely on the Constitution.
and as in cases so often with liberals, judge shopping and venue selection helps

Yes, far better to homeschool so fundy parents can teach that the moon is made of green cheese and the earth is flat.
hello, have you ever heard of private school, Mr. "it's not the gov't's job"? it is a free country, right?
I'm farming the cheese so you'll have cheese with your whine. :D

[geerair]

I can provide lots of evidence to the contrary, but it's obvious you're interested only in your own point of view. Trot out your evidence. I'm always interested in amusing musings on science.



are you trying to get back at your parents or what?Nah, supporting real science and keeping quack science out of the schoolroom.


and as in cases so often with liberals, judge shopping and venue selection helpsEverything winds up in front of the high nine.


hello, have you ever heard of private school, Mr. "it's not the gov't's job"? it is a free country, right?Certainly. The quality of science education in some of these private schools is no better than that of fundy homeschoolers.




I'm farming the cheese so you'll have cheese with your whine. :DGood for you........ everybody needs a hobby.