Replublicans thowing their vote away

[wolfstrike]

it's time for conservatives to cast off the illusion that they are represented by the republicans.

every year the country gets worse and what have the republicans done to prevent this decay?

republicans had their dream of a republican controlled government , President and the House, (Supreme Court too if you judge by nomination instead of voting record) what did we get from it? nothing.

the only good thing Bush did in his eight years was NOT renew the unconstitutional assualt rifle ban, that's it.


pretty soon the republicans will pick another stooge to run in 08 , and i'm looking forward to watching them make a hero out of them

[ga-hvac-tech]

Wolfey I can tell you one thing the republicans did that I like:

They moved a lot of entitlement programs from federal management to state management. In other words ibefore we sent $1.00 to Wash DC, and something like $0.75 came back to the state, and then something like $0.50 went to the needy. Now the $1.00 stays at the state and the $0.75 goes directly to the needy. Does that sound like something good?

Also, one needs to do a lot of internet research and reading (like hours every day) to know what is really going on. What the main line media reports is a VERY slanted and watered down version of what really happens.

O K, do you feel better now... :) :D :)

[chillbilly]

it's time for conservatives to cast off the illusion that they are represented by the republicans.
No more a time for that than it is a time for liberals to dispel the notion that they are aligned with a party that wants to keep their hands in your pocket.


every year the country gets worse and what have the republicans done to prevent this decay?
Last time I checked, we have a system of government that employs more than just republicans.
Let's see where the country goes with your beloved liberal democrats holding majorities in both chambers, shall we?


republicans had their dream of a republican controlled government , President and the House, (Supreme Court too if you judge by nomination instead of voting record) what did we get from it? nothing.
Here's a list of reforms and changes under our current administration.
Hardly nothing.
http://www.angelfire.com/ok/funwithunclejim/bush.html


the only good thing Bush did in his eight years was NOT renew the unconstitutional assualt rifle ban, that's it.
See above



pretty soon the republicans will pick another stooge to run in 08 , and i'm looking forward to watching them make a hero out of them
While we're on the subject of stooges, let me present you John Edwards, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton and Barack O'Bama....all liberal democrat "heroes".

[wolfstrike]

most everything on that list is hot air.

"he supports"
"in the process of"
"he's pushing for"

coulda,shoulda,woulda,DIDNA

the other parts of the list can be , and are, overturned by the states.

[chillbilly]

most everything on that list is hot air.

"he supports"
"in the process of"
"he's pushing for"

coulda,shoulda,woulda,DIDNA

the other parts of the list can be , and are, overturned by the states.



Yeah riiiight. That's the ticket. Have you any idea how many bills have been presented to the president? Do you have any idea how many bills have been signed into law and how many federal funds have been budgeted for the items on that extensive list?
No, you don't.

Instead, you come in here with some half-assed rhetoric and claim nothing has been done.
I've showed you the list of what has been done and what has been proposed and what has been funded... and your response? More half-assed rhetoric.

Don't you have a Jane Fonda workout to attend?

[wolfstrike]

i most important issues of our time were ingnored.

the waves of ruthless hoards coming over the border,
even during the time of "national security"
bush supported amnesty

bush supports "competing" with other nations where people make 17 cents per day, this is quite possibly the beginning of the end of the American auto maker. he's done nothing to prevent jobs from going over seas or bringing them back.

the longest period of time without increases in minimum wage by the feds

credit card companies may now jack their interest rates up to about 36 percent, bush failed to stop it or even address it.
(if he wasn't part of it)



bush failed to take action against gasoline prices
bush failed to fight current anti-constitutional gun laws
bush failed to take action against the unconstitutional insurance company dictatorship

bush elected a conservative supreme court judge?
hey that's great , bush failed to alert the public that the supreme court was never given power to dictate law to the public.
(their job is to refer to the constitution , not create law by hearing cases)


you dont have to be a liberal to face the fact that bush supported the creation of more intrusive government,
300 million americans now live under stricter government power just so they could follow around a couple of people who might be terrorists.
guess what?
terrorism was already illegal.
...and there was a lot more bullsht passed then just the patriot act.

the object was never to protect citizens anyways, they tightened airport security then made towelheads exempt.

[NHMoldInspector]

By the title I thought it was going to say republicans were voting democrat, after all that is the fastest was to throw your vote in the garbage.:D :eek: :p

[chillbilly]

i most important issues of our time were ingnored.
the waves of ruthless hoards coming over the border,
even during the time of "national security"
bush supported amnesty
On this point, I agree. He has talked out of both sides of his mouth on immigration and reform.


bush supports "competing" with other nations where people make 17 cents per day, this is quite possibly the beginning of the end of the American auto maker. he's done nothing to prevent jobs from going over seas or bringing them back.
What president signed NAFTA into law? Huh? That would be Bill Clinton.
And Ross Perot, of all people, told him what would happen if he executed that bill into law.
Once that type of legislation is signed into law, there's not a damned thing that can be done besides watching our jobs flood into cheap labor markets.


the longest period of time without increases in minimum wage by the feds
How can you support minimum wage increases and then bi-ch and moan about labor being sucked out of the country? How do you think giving unskilled workers more money for no more productivity helps the supporting businesses that operate in this country?


credit card companies may now jack their interest rates up to about 36 percent, bush failed to stop it or even address it.
(if he wasn't part of it)

That's an extreme load of crap. A stabile economy with a low prime rate dictates credit card rates. The last thing American citizens need is more activist government controlling private sector interest rates. Individuals are empowered to stop borrowing money from companies who deal in unethical rate gouging. But you would rather the government take care of it for you?Individual accountability is what is needed. Not more government control.



bush failed to take action against gasoline prices
What you mean to say is that Bush didn't dip into the Strategic Oil Reserves based on popular opinion polls like his predecessor did. He also didn't tax the piss out of it like his predecessor did. The Executive Branch of government has no business attempting to dictate price controls in the free marketplace. What you are advocating is a totalitarian form of government where the Executive Branch of government can just go willy nilly on the people and perpetrate as many crimes and constraints on them as they wish...all so you can criticize George Bush.



bush failed to fight current anti-constitutional gun laws
What part of our gun laws currently on the books are you asserting are unconstitutional? Be specific.


bush failed to take action against the unconstitutional insurance company dictatorship
Well, I didn't exactly see members of Congress and the House kicking the insurance lobby to the curb....did you??
I'm not sure you understand the branches of government and how they work, but I'll assume you do. The Executive Branch does not spend one dime of this country's money and cannot sign reform into law unless there is a bill put forth. How many politicians do you observe that are willing to be a power broker against big insurance? If you don't know the answer, I have one for you. NONE


bush elected a conservative supreme court judge?
Bush can not and did not ELECT anyone. He nominated two Supreme Court judges and they were overwhelmingly CONFIRMED by the Legislative Branch, with a majority of Democrats supporting their confirmation.


hey that's great , bush failed to alert the public that the supreme court was never given power to dictate law to the public.
(their job is to refer to the constitution , not create law by hearing cases)
OK. Now that's just plain stupid. Our founding fathers gave powers of checks and balances to the 3 branches of governement. The Judical Branch of Government has the responsibility of INTERPRETING LAW. That's junior high school stuff, pal. And it's not the president's responsibility to explain it to the impaired electorate.



you dont have to be a liberal to face the fact that bush supported the creation of more intrusive government,
300 million americans now live under stricter government power just so they could follow around a couple of people who might be terrorists.guess what?terrorism was already illegal.
...and there was a lot more bullsht passed then just the patriot act.the object was never to protect citizens anyways, they tightened airport security then made towelheads exempt.
I'll assume you're trying to refer to the government wiretapping and the possible privacy violations in an attempt to deter terrorist threats?
The president is responsible for protecting the citizens of this country.
I have no problem with that form of intrusion if it can prevent an Oklahoma City Massacre or transmissions from gathering threats to this nation.
This country needs this type of activism and we need it badly. Porous borders, terrorist cells and an inordinate number of traitors and spies make it a very necessary action.

With all due respect to you and I sincerely mean no harm, you need to research the 3 branches of government, the Bill Of Rights and the Constitution.

It will help you separate the provisions of power that each branch is duly elected or appointed to administer and might help you realize the limitation that each branch has.
Then, you can dispense with this ignorant and unfounded blame game whereby the President is responsible every time you stub your friggin toe.

[wolfstrike]

On this point, I agree. He has talked out of both sides of his mouth on immigration and reform.

oh well thats nice it only takes an issue that 80 percent of the population is outraged about to see a president is full of sht.



What president signed NAFTA into law?

thats a worthless argument , it was being drafted during the Bush I era and any thought you have that he wouldn't support it is nothing but an illusion.


Ross Perot, of all people, told him what would happen
like they didn't know what would happen?
that's another problem with the republicans , they think people are stupid instead of downright corrupt.



there's not a damned thing that can be done besides watching our jobs flood into cheap labor markets.

sure there is , it's called jail time for treason.



How can you support minimum wage increases

right now companies can buy an employee , make him work 50 hrs a week, and pay him $200 dollars.

the same business owner will take his 6 member family out to dinner and drop the same amount.

every year these companies report record earnings , some of them in the billions.

corporate earnings go up every year , the only thing that goes up for the employee is taxes , fees, and fines.

you guys are in one of the last high paying fields so i'm sure you don't see any problem.



The last thing American citizens need is more activist government controlling private sector interest rates.

another thing wrong with the republicans , you need to stop defending business rights and start thinking about individual rights.

we need to step away from this 'if your a moron you deserve to fail' attitude.

if the government doesn't protect citizens from business , what's the point of having it?

credit card companies are scam artists, money lending is always closely watched in sane societies.



What you mean to say is that Bush didn't dip into the Strategic Oil Reserves based on popular opinion polls like his predecessor did.

"Strategic Oil Reserves" , a half of day's worth of supplies.



The Executive Branch of government has no business attempting to dictate price controls in the free marketplace.

you know what the problem with gasoline is?
there's only a small amount of refineries, it has NOTHING to do with the price of oil,
the Republican's left hand , the liberals , are stopping the building of refineries through evirionmental BS so the oil men can control the market.

you think that's a "free market"?


What part of our gun laws currently on the books are you asserting are unconstitutional? Be specific.

all of them , even registration is illegal.
"infringement" = "encroachment" = the step by step process of eliminating a right.

it was all figured out by Thomas Jefferson and the boys , all we have to do is go back to it.



How many politicians do you observe that are willing to be a power broker against big insurance? If you don't know the answer, I have one for you. NONE

what are they doing in office then?
i don't vote for them.



He nominated two Supreme Court judges and they were overwhelmingly CONFIRMED by the Legislative Branch, with a majority of Democrats supporting their confirmation.

oh that makes me feel much better,
two more "conservative" judges with democrat support , another couple of phonys




OK. Now that's just plain stupid. Our founding fathers gave powers of checks and balances to the 3 branches of governement. The Judical Branch of Government has the responsibility of INTERPRETING LAW.

exactly.
so why is the supreme court dictating unconstitutional law?
if all three branches are "equal" then Bush and Congress can annul unconstitutional laws.

but what do we get from bush?
"ah shucks! , golly gee, i didn't agree with that , guess it passed"





The Judical Branch of Government has the responsibility of INTERPRETING LAW

...and they are doing a great job , it turns out the sentence "the right to bear arms may not be infringed" really means "you may not own guns"

...i hope they got a raise this year.



I'll assume you're trying to refer to the government wiretapping and the possible privacy violations in an attempt to deter terrorist threats?

no , i know the wire tapping issue is liberal BS, i was talking about the formation of the Intelligence Awareness Organization , it has nothing to do with the patriot act.




The president is responsible for protecting the citizens of this country.

i agree , when will he start? any towelhead can walk across the border from Mexico and leave a chemical agent in the middle of Los Angeles



have no problem with that form of intrusion if it can prevent an Oklahoma City Massacre or transmissions from gathering threats to this nation.


you should be thinking about why an American citizen felt he needed to attack the government instead of thinking about how to stop him.



With all due respect to you and I sincerely mean no harm, you need to research the 3 branches of government, the Bill Of Rights and the Constitution.


it's doubtful you know more about the founding of the nation then i do.
any person who did would see this current government in a whole new light.

[dw1]

Don't you have a Jane Fonda workout to attend?

Perhaps Wolfie did the workout and doubled his heartrate up to 50 bpm and took his frustration out on the keyboard.
Wolfie, instead of putting a laundry list of your concerns on the board for comment try focusing on one or two points.
If you can't/won't do that please label your post as " Wolfie's Rant of the Day" so I can ignore it.

[ga-hvac-tech]

Wolfie, you do not see the bigger picture. And because of that, you are typing things that do not make much sense to those of us that do (see the big picture).

Let me explain just a little of what goes on at the national level:

There is this HUGE monster called the economy. And it is kinda like a large ship (AC carrier, cruise ship, etc). It is VERY slow to get it moving, and it is VERY slow to stop. Now when I say very slow, I mean like months or even years.

Now think about this for a minute: What if the prez did only what felt good and produced instant gratification for today, with no regards for tomorrow? I can guarantee you that the big ship called the economy would slow to a very slow speed (dangerous to the economy). And the last time that happened, we had a depression that lasted a decade and one out of 3 folks were out of work. (That was in the 1930's).

Do you want that to happen?

You see; keeping the ship moving is more important than a few jobs. That is wisdom, and wisdom is always more important than facts or logic.

I am gald there are folks up there in DC that have enough wisdom to keep the ship moving at all costs. Otherwise, many of us may end up loosing a lot we worked very hard for.

[mrs reb77]

quoting you:
"right now companies can buy an employee , make him work 50 hrs a week, and pay him $200 dollars.

the same business owner will take his 6 member family out to dinner and drop the same amount.

every year these companies report record earnings , some of them in the billions.

corporate earnings go up every year , the only thing that goes up for the employee is taxes , fees, and fines.

you guys are in one of the last high paying fields so i'm sure you don't see any problem."

In our state, those hours over 40 are at time and 1/2 for everyone. Also, our state (and many many others) is not bound by federal minimum wage. What fines are you referring to for employees??? I notice you are listed as a professional member, are you not a member of this field you say is one of the last high paying fields? Your meandering creates confusion as to your point and level of befuddlement....for sure.

[acmanko]

Wolfie, you do not see the bigger picture. And because of that, you are typing things that do not make much sense to those of us that do (see the big picture).

Let me explain just a little of what goes on at the national level:

There is this HUGE monster called the economy. And it is kinda like a large ship (AC carrier, cruise ship, etc). It is VERY slow to get it moving, and it is VERY slow to stop. Now when I say very slow, I mean like months or even years.

Now think about this for a minute: What if the prez did only what felt good and produced instant gratification for today, with no regards for tomorrow? I can guarantee you that the big ship called the economy would slow to a very slow speed (dangerous to the economy). And the last time that happened, we had a depression that lasted a decade and one out of 3 folks were out of work. (That was in the 1930's).

Do you want that to happen?

You see; keeping the ship moving is more important than a few jobs. That is wisdom, and wisdom is always more important than facts or logic.

I am gald there are folks up there in DC that have enough wisdom to keep the ship moving at all costs. Otherwise, many of us may end up loosing a lot we worked very hard for.I hate to disagreem but the depression of the 1930's was not due to a slowing economy. It happened because the stock market crashed and the ensuing run on banks. which is why we have the FDIC and suspension of trading on the stock market if stocks fall to far. P.S. the only time in my memory that trading stocks was suspended was under the present President

[ga-hvac-tech]

I hate to disagreem but the depression of the 1930's was not due to a slowing economy. It happened because the stock market crashed and the ensuing run on banks. which is why we have the FDIC and suspension of trading on the stock market if stocks fall to far. P.S. the only time in my memory that trading stocks was suspended was under the present President

Point well taken, would you like to take this a level deeper?

What caused the stock market to crash???

Actually, I need to go out and get some things done. I would enjoy debating this issue with you if you are game.

Later...:cool:

[acmanko]

Whenever you are ready. Big Business refused to pay a living salary, which begot the Unions, for starters

[The Doctor]

with unions we have gotten collective bargaining ability, and we may soon have to take a hard look at the costs associated with that (see the BIG 3. which is admittedly in another industry. in the meantime, have you ever wondered why we have unions in the public sector? I mean in gov't jobs on AFSCME--which is practically all levels. That indicates a breakdown in the accountability of people who in theory were serving their country by working in the gov't, for the gov't, etc. Now there is union organization in there. My question is still ---why? Did big gov't refuse to pay a living salary?
JUst asking?

[acmanko]

The only goverment unions I can think of at this moment are Police, Fire and Teachers Unions. Local not Federal. Postal workers are not Federal either.:)

[dw1]

P.S. the only time in my memory that trading stocks was suspended was under the present President

Ace, you were halfway tolerable until you made that half-assed post with a cheap shot.
The reason for the attack on 9-11 was to bring the US to its knees. The country was in shock and came to a standstill. The very best thing ANY president could do was to close the stock market. The stock market hates uncertainy and that was certainly a time of uncertainy. Bush stood up to calm the fears of this country (and possibly the world).
Sorry my friend, with posts like that you'll even embarrass the rest of the libs.

[ga-hvac-tech]

Whenever you are ready. Big Business refused to pay a living salary, which begot the Unions, for starters

O K, Acm... Is the above your answer as to why the stock market crashed? Just curious before I give you a lesson in economics... :)

[dw1]

The only goverment unions I can think of at this moment are Police, Fire and Teachers Unions. Local not Federal. Postal workers are not Federal either.:)

Ace please land your space ship. Auto worker, communications, building trades, teamsters, grocery workers, hospitality workers...
Every posts gets a little darker, get help.

[ga-hvac-tech]

Ace please land your space ship. Auto worker, communications, building trades, teamsters, grocery workers, hospitality workers...
Every posts gets a little darker, get help.

DW, I think Acm was talking about unions of government workers. If that waw indeed what he meant, then yes, those are pretty much it. If I remember, Reagan more or less crushed the office workers union in DC back in the '80's.

[dw1]

You're right ga.
Sorry Ace, my eyes about popped out of my head when I read your post. :eek:

[The Doctor]

are we having mission creep?
I don't want to throw a vote away, and that has very little do with unions at this point. Now the economy, yes sir. Let's go.....:cool:

[chillbilly]

Perhaps Wolfie did the workout and doubled his heartrate up to 50 bpm and took his frustration out on the keyboard.
Wolfie, instead of putting a laundry list of your concerns on the board for comment try focusing on one or two points.
If you can't/won't do that please label your post as " Wolfie's Rant of the Day" so I can ignore it.

I agree. He took my quotes and mined them to manipulate the context and then responded to them in an attempt to justify his lack of knowledge on how our system of government operates.
Hey wolfie. How about an attempt to respond to the quote in it's entirety instead of intellectual dishonesty?
You are dishonest, but you're anything but intellectual.

Also note how retarded your contention that our government can change the mindset of homegrown terrorists instead of attempting to thwart their acts of terror.
In a perfect world, we would all just live in Pleasantville and do everything that's expected of us.
What world do you live in?

Moron.

[dannyp19]

another thing wrong with the republicans , you need to stop defending business rights and start thinking about individual rights.
we need to step away from this 'if your a moron you deserve to fail' attitude.

if the government doesn't protect citizens from business , what's the point of having it?

credit card companies are scam artists, money lending is always closely watched in sane societies.


The problem is we, as a country, no longer think of the individual we think of the collective.

We as individuals have the right to pursue happiness not the right have happiness.

In a true capitalistic society we would be traders. We would not be forced into a trade we didnt want. We would not accept the unearned only the earned. Government would only protect us from crooks and invaders.

If you are not smart enough to pursue your happiness then its your individual pursuit that is lacking and not anybody else's.

Altruism, collectivism and mysticism are whats destroying this economy.

Only through reason, individualism, and egotism can our economy grow.

Take your emotions out of the debate and really think about it.(i.e. use reason)

[The Doctor]

how will we hold our elected reps accountable for their work? That would solve the problem of throwing our votes away. Seems like the Repubs lately joined the club of enshrining the Gov't tit, just a different angle of the golden calf.

[acmanko]

Ace please land your space ship. Auto worker, communications, building trades, teamsters, grocery workers, hospitality workers...
Every posts gets a little darker, get help.I am the dark side.:D