Thousands of U.S. weapons in Iraq missing

[tinknocker44]

WASHINGTON (AP) — Thousands of weapons the United States has provided Iraqi security forces cannot be accounted for and spare parts and repair manuals are unavailable for many others, a new report to Congress says.


The report, prepared at the request of the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Sen. John Warner, R-Va., also found that major challenges remain that put at risk the Defense Department's goal of strengthening Iraqi security forces by transferring all logistics operations to the defense ministry by the end of 2007.

A spokesman for Warner said the senator read the report over the weekend in preparation for a meeting Tuesday with Stuart W. Bowen Jr., the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction.

Warner, who requested the report in May, "believes it is essential that Congress and the American people continue to be kept informed by the inspector general on the equipping and logistical capabilities of the Iraqi army and security forces, since these represent an important component of overall readiness," said Warner spokesman John Ullyot.

The inspector general's office released its report Sunday in a series of three audits finding that:

•Nearly one of every 25 weapons the military bought for Iraqi security forces is missing. Many others cannot be repaired because parts or technical manuals are lacking.

•"Significant challenges remain that put at risk" the U.S. military's goal of strengthening Iraqi security forces by transferring all logistics operations to the defense ministry by the end of 2007.

•"The unstable security environment in Iraq touches every aspect" of the Provincial Reconstruction Team program, in which U.S. government experts help Iraqis develop regional governmental institutions.

The Pentagon cannot account for 14,030 weapons — almost 4% of the semiautomatic pistols, assault rifles, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenade launchers and other weapons it began supplying to Iraq since the end of 2003.

The missing weapons will not be tracked easily: The Defense Department registered the serial numbers of only about 10,000 of the 370,251 weapons it provided — less than 3%.

Missing from the Defense Department's inventory books were 13,180 semiautomatic pistols, 751 assault rifles and 99 machine guns.

The audit on logistics capabilities said there is a "significant risk" that the Iraqi interior ministry "will not be capable of assuming and sustaining logistics support for the Iraqi local and national police forces in the near term." That support includes equipment maintenance, transportation of people and gear and health resources for soldiers and police.

The audit on Provincial Reconstruction Teams said that, because of security issues, they "have varying degrees of ability to carry out their missions." Auditors reviewed nine teams and four satellite offices and found "4 were generally able, 4 were somewhat able, 3 were less able and 2 were generally unable" to accomplish their goals.

[James 3528]

The audit does not make clear at what point the weapons were lost. But it notes that "there could have been undetected losses" before weapons were ever issued to Iraqi security forces

Manuals are on the Internet.

Big Yawn

[geerair]

WASHINGTON (AP) — Thousands of weapons the United States has provided Iraqi security forces cannot be accounted for and spare parts and repair manuals are unavailable for many others, a new report to Congress says.


The report, prepared at the request of the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Sen. John Warner, R-Va., also found that major challenges remain that put at risk the Defense Department's goal of strengthening Iraqi security forces by transferring all logistics operations to the defense ministry by the end of 2007.

A spokesman for Warner said the senator read the report over the weekend in preparation for a meeting Tuesday with Stuart W. Bowen Jr., the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction.

Warner, who requested the report in May, "believes it is essential that Congress and the American people continue to be kept informed by the inspector general on the equipping and logistical capabilities of the Iraqi army and security forces, since these represent an important component of overall readiness," said Warner spokesman John Ullyot.

The inspector general's office released its report Sunday in a series of three audits finding that:

•Nearly one of every 25 weapons the military bought for Iraqi security forces is missing. Many others cannot be repaired because parts or technical manuals are lacking.

•"Significant challenges remain that put at risk" the U.S. military's goal of strengthening Iraqi security forces by transferring all logistics operations to the defense ministry by the end of 2007.

•"The unstable security environment in Iraq touches every aspect" of the Provincial Reconstruction Team program, in which U.S. government experts help Iraqis develop regional governmental institutions.

The Pentagon cannot account for 14,030 weapons — almost 4% of the semiautomatic pistols, assault rifles, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenade launchers and other weapons it began supplying to Iraq since the end of 2003.

The missing weapons will not be tracked easily: The Defense Department registered the serial numbers of only about 10,000 of the 370,251 weapons it provided — less than 3%.

Missing from the Defense Department's inventory books were 13,180 semiautomatic pistols, 751 assault rifles and 99 machine guns.

The audit on logistics capabilities said there is a "significant risk" that the Iraqi interior ministry "will not be capable of assuming and sustaining logistics support for the Iraqi local and national police forces in the near term." That support includes equipment maintenance, transportation of people and gear and health resources for soldiers and police.

The audit on Provincial Reconstruction Teams said that, because of security issues, they "have varying degrees of ability to carry out their missions." Auditors reviewed nine teams and four satellite offices and found "4 were generally able, 4 were somewhat able, 3 were less able and 2 were generally unable" to accomplish their goals.Yep. Bush is supplying the insurgency with weapons.

You're doing a heck of a job Bushie!!!!!!!!!

[James 3528]

Yep. Bush is supplying the insurgency with weapons.

You're doing a heck of a job Bushie!!!!!!!!!

The audit does not make clear at what point the weapons were lost. But it notes that "there could have been undetected losses" before weapons were ever issued to Iraqi security forces

Yawn...I would bet more guns were stolen in New Orleans after Katrina.

What is the hand gun murder rate there since Jan 1 07 ?

[geerair]

Yeah it is a yawner. Our soldiers are being gunned down and blown up daily by these "lost" weapons.

Yeah, no big deal. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[James 3528]

Yeah it is a yawner. Our soldiers are being gunned down and blown up daily by these "lost" weapons.

Yeah, no big deal. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:You have proof of that? Cause they said they don't know when and where they went missing. How do you get blown up by a pistol?

[sysint]

Yeah it is a yawner. Our soldiers are being gunned down and blown up daily by these "lost" weapons.

Yeah, no big deal. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: You can buy AK47's for about thirty to sixty bucks. I think the US bought them for Iraq security forces. So, you aren't talking a big investment to get them. Maybe investigate where they get the bullets instead.

[geerair]

You have proof of that? Cause they said they don't know when and where they went missing.Certainly. This is but one of the many articles concerning this issue. Articles which are easily googled by someone who wants proof.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003470337_iraqarms10.html



Brigadier Hassan Nouri, Chief of the Political Investigations Bureau for the Sulaimaniya District: "They go from the U.S. Army to the Iraqi Army to the smugglers. I have captured many of these guns that the terrorists bought."





How do you get blown up by a pistol?You don't, you get blown up by RPGs.

I would have thought they taught you that when you were in the Army.

[geerair]

You can buy AK47's for about thirty to sixty bucks. I think the US bought them for Iraq security forces. So, you aren't talking a big investment to get them. Who cares about investment? I'm talking American lives.


Maybe investigate where they get the bullets instead.It would be the same source as for the guns unless you think the U.S. Army gave the Iraqi Army and Police these guns and instructed them to say "Bang" when they pulled the triggers. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[tinknocker44]

Who cares about investment? I'm talking American lives.

It would be the same source as for the guns unless you think the U.S. Army gave the Iraqi Army and Police these guns and instructed them to say "Bang" when they pulled the triggers. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Bang.:D :D :D :D :D

[corny]

Most of them are likely going to the shiites so its no biggie... They are likely being used against the sunnis...hope they are getting some ammunition too...

I dont ever hear of one of guys being shot...the sunnis seem to be using IEDS to take out the majority of US soldiers...

Too bad we cant lose a little armor and air support....lol

Didnt jesus say that whenever a sunni dies an angel gets its wings ??? something like that

[James 3528]

Certainly. This is but one of the many articles concerning this issue. Articles which are easily googled by someone who wants proof.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003470337_iraqarms10.html



Brigadier Hassan Nouri, Chief of the Political Investigations Bureau for the Sulaimaniya District: "They go from the U.S. Army to the Iraqi Army to the smugglers. I have captured many of these guns that the terrorists bought."




You don't, you get blown up by RPGs.

I would have thought they taught you that when you were in the Army.

More reliable sources have said only 3% of the serial numbers were recorded. The contract stated that the weapons had to be new and unused. As I recall none of the purchases were AK47's. What they taught me on the Military is that some soldiers, contractors and civil service employees steal. That's why the armorer wear a gun. From the media hype of the kayos in Iraq, 1 in 25 weapons not accounted for is a relatively low number. Like I said, a better number than the ones missing in New Orleans.

[Airmechanical]

Yep. Bush is supplying the insurgency with weapons.

You're doing a heck of a job Bushie!!!!!!!!!


that was for sure the
stupidist quote of the day yesterday :rolleyes:



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[geerair]

that was for sure the
stupidist quote of the day yesterday :rolleyes:



.Who gives a poot what you say newbie? ;) ;) ;)

[geerair]

More reliable sources have said only 3% of the serial numbers were recorded. The contract stated that the weapons had to be new and unused. As I recall none of the purchases were AK47's.You have no relevant point here.



What they taught me on the Military is that some soldiers, contractors and civil service employees steal. Perhaps you missed the Brigadier stating the guns go from the US Army to the Iraqi Army to smugglers. The problem is not with soldiers, contractors or civil service employees, it is with the Iraq Army.




From the media hype of the kayos in Iraq, 1 in 25 weapons not accounted for is a relatively low number. Well, that should comfort the U.S. military people who are shot and blown up with these weapons. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[James 3528]

You should learn how to read Geer now that you have quoting down after 4 years

[Airmechanical]

Who gives a poot what you say newbie? ;) ;) ;)


i guess you do! :D

(ya oldbie):)



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[geerair]

i guess you do! :D

(ya oldbie):) There you go.

You'll fit right in here in the ARP section. :) :)

[sysint]

Who cares about investment? I'm talking American lives.

It would be the same source as for the guns unless you think the U.S. Army gave the Iraqi Army and Police these guns and instructed them to say "Bang" when they pulled the triggers. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Well dumb-dumb, with guns that cheap they are getting them from anywhere. They are so cheap the US got them from Jordan. If the US didn't get them and deliver them they were getting them from elsewhere and you wouldn't know anything at all about it.

Got any facts with how many bullets they have from the US? You make it sound like an infinite supply.

Last time I checked when you fire the bullets you don't scurry afterward and reclaim them. So, yea if they run out of bullets they have to say "bang" when they pull the trigger.

The issue isn't guns or bullets but the people taking them and pulling the trigger.

Retard.

[geerair]

Last time I checked when you fire the bullets you don't scurry afterward and reclaim them. So, yea if they run out of bullets they have to say "bang" when they pull the trigger.Hmmmm......you must think the Iraq Army works on the Barney Fife method.....one bullet per man to be carried in the left shirt pocket. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



The issue isn't guns or bullets but the people taking them and pulling the trigger.If you think the issue isn't guns or bullets why are you desperately trying to sweep this scandal under the rug? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Airmechanical]

There you go.

You'll fit right in here in the ARP section. :) :)

(as well you will fit in the enormous ego club) :D :eek:



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[James 3528]

(as well you will fit in the enormous ego club) :D :eek:



.Yep

[geerair]

(as well you will fit in the enormous ego club) :D :eek:



.Yes, but in my case the enormous ego is justified. ;) ;) :D :D

[geerair]

YepIrony meter pointer breaks off, smoke is released. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p :p :p

[chillbilly]

Irony meter pointer breaks off, smoke is released. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p :p :p


Check your ears. A more likely source for the puff of smoke.

Poot-boy.

[sysint]

Hmmmm......you must think the Iraq Army works on the Barney Fife method.....one bullet per man to be carried in the left shirt pocket. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
No -- from what I understand you can empty a magazine in a few seconds. You need mass quantities of bullets, especially since the accuracy is limited and I'm thinking the bad guys aren't practicing at a shooting range to perfect their technique in a controlled environment.

If you think the issue isn't guns or bullets why are you desperately trying to sweep this scandal under the rug? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Again, as stupid as you are you don't get it. If you would stop trying to defend all your democrats and pile on the other party "just because" you would understand that these people will get guns from anywhere because the guns are really inexpensive. So yea, some turn up stolen. At least you have some leads on how many, where from and about when. I'm fairly certain that many people in Iraq's security forces may not really be on that side...

[geerair]

Again, as stupid as you are you don't get it. If you would stop trying to defend all your democrats and pile on the other party "just because" you would understand that these people will get guns from anywhere because the guns are really inexpensive. So yea, some turn up stolen. At least you have some leads on how many, where from and about when. I'm fairly certain that many people in Iraq's security forces may not really be on that side...Sweep, sweep. :rolleyes:

[sysint]

Sweep, sweep. :rolleyes: I can think of 4% of alot of things the government can't account for regardless of who is running it.

Your point in all this is what really? --- Actually, you don't have a point.

Most definitely you don't have a solution, or really any reasoning of whether the US needed to account for all those weapons or not. You also don't know why they even registered the weapons they did or if Iraqis were supposed to handle the registration and distribution. As far as upkeep - wouldn't that fall on the shoulders of the Iraqis?

Classic Geer. So quick to find fault and so low on actual facts and proper context. Everytime something comes out you run around in circles crying and complaining about it but never have anything useful to contribute. You don't have opinions and insights, you simply have crying and complaining. I think that soon your pride and joy democratic party will be in power and then you can change your tactics from running around in circles crying and complaining to running around in circles praising and misdirecting any future blame because your guys are in.

Personally, I didn't like any decisions on Iraq, but you are just ridiculous about every thing about the situation.

[chillbilly]

kinda' like listening to the fanatics in the middle east when they start railing against America...after a while you can see their lips moving, but you don't give a damn what they are saying and you know they're full of crap.

[tinknocker44]

kinda' like listening to the fanatics in the middle east when they start railing against America...after a while you can see their lips moving, but you don't give a damn what they are saying and you know they're full of crap.

Why dont you ever have anything of substance Evinrude? Your credibility is right up there with Hanoi janes.

[James 3528]

That from the Paste Master :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[tinknocker44]

That from the Paste Master :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

At least its something of substance. What do you got? zilch.

[James 3528]

At least its something of substance. What do you got? zilch.

I have that rent free space inside your head. You're shot down more than the Syrian Air Force.

[tinknocker44]

I have that rent free space inside your head. You're shot down more than the Syrian Air Force.

Thanks for proving my point.

[chillbilly]

Thanks for proving my point.


The only point you own is located in that pin head of yours.
Isn't there a tatoo parlor with another Earnhardt design you could go get splashed across your forehead?
It might even help you pick up something other than a he/she.