government sure pulling a number on this country

[wolfstrike]

so the government has been taking a criminal , writing their name ona file , and releasing them back into the streets to commit more crimes.(especially since their name is on a file so they can't get a job)

they have created a whole crime system that millions of Americans have to live through, and be effected by.

thanks to the government, the average American is so fed up with crime they have no sympathy what-so-ever for people with any kind of a record , and no MATURITY to be making any kind of decent decisions.
(since the average person was never suppose to be a judge)

so a decent American with a little mark on his record must now carry that with him/her the rest of their lives.

especially now since the government is releasing arrest records, overturning millions of judges rulings.




but don't make the fool mistake of thinking that America is now tough on crime.

more criminals then ever are now filling daily jobs, and being placed into positions where they get to rip off Americans.

our government has created a loophole where people from other countries , many of them have been committing heinous crimes their whole lives, get to come over here, buy obviously fake documents, and join society.





countries like Mexico can't even operate because anything that isn't bolted down comes up missing.

reports of people having driver's licences where the picture is upside down , and our police department is told that they are not immigration officials and they are not to act when they find these things.

...and to make sure every company in America is playing along with this insane system , our government enforces Affirmative Action.





this is why the founder's of the nation created a system where a person was either free, in jail , or dead,
...and States were separate and had no ability to transfer criminal records.

this is why the Bible warned us against one world government and the mark of the beast.

[oloenneker]

What? Did they do a background check on you, and now you are blaming that on your inability to find work?

[engineerdave]

It's a tough deal. A very good freind of mine in Alaska is faced with the same thing. He's a good man, but in his youth he strayed from the path. So to speak. It's no secret, our Criminal Justice System needs an overhaul. Not sure what the answer is, but it definitely needs looked at. Hard.

[bootlen]

Tell the truth. If you don't get hired because you told the truth, you don't wanna work there anyway.

[smokin68]

What? Did they do a background check on you, and now you are blaming that on your inability to find work?



Now the truth comes out.Been out of work an awful long time out of school.Everyone in a free society should be allowed to work. Common sense is imperative...you don't let a child molester work at a school, etc.

[glennac]

That’s a good read Wolfstrike. All good and valid points. I agree and no need to add too it.

[dw1]

I agree Wolfie, tough situation.
OTOH I don't think the government does ENOUGH to make criminal convictions available to the employer. When an employer makes a decision to hire someone he should have a opportunity to make a informed decision on who he is hiring. When the employer hires someone there has to be a certain mutual trust between both parties. The employer is required to give the employee a safe place to work and a fair rate of pay based on his abilities.
I am a contractor doing old work, service, repair and replacement. Many times the employee is not under the direct supervision of the employer.
I don't think I'm doing my job for my customer by sending someone convicted of a crime such as agrivated assult, burglary, armed robbery, or some other very violent crime into their home.
I would suggest that you voluntarily list your arrest record on your application or ask for a face to face interview to explain your story. Admit you made a mistake and ask for an opportunity to prove yourself.
I understand you are going thru a rough time right now but you will not gain anything by telling everyone how unfair life is and playing the victum. With that attitude you are only making your next employer a victum.

[wolfstrike]

I don't think the government does ENOUGH to make criminal convictions available to the employer.

what else can the government possibly do?
the government is already giving out partial and misleading information.


this post wasn't meant to be about me , but i'll talk about me.





i was arrested when i was 18 for having a knife in my pocket, it was a felony,
"violent crime" , the whole nine yards.

how is carrying a knife a "violent crime"?

whether anyone wants to admit it or not , what i did was protected by the Constitution.

even the judge thought it was chickensht, he dropped it to a misdermeanor, and at a time when people would get 180 days community service for a misdermeanor, he gave me 5.
...i later had it expunged.

for the last 10 years i worked in security, i even had an ATM job for 3 years, after a COMPLETE background check/ lie detector.
i was one of only 4 regular employees in my district who were NOT fired for stealing.

i hold security/weapon cards in California and Nevada , as well as gun registrations in both States, these things a felon may not posses.




i move to Nevada and they try to tell me i'm a felon, i told them there is a mistake, they said "no problem , come downtown and register as a felon"
...it only took a couple of hours before i poved i was right.



to make a long story short the government has released the NCIC database to any State that wants to use it.
the NCIC database DOES NOT keep complete records , only arrest records that people pled guilty to, many of these cases were dropped.

even though the NCIC database is for government eyes only , and says so on the web site, criminal background check places report the info to private companies.


the two AC companies i was at , the bosses found out about my record and told all the employees,
at one company , an employee made a comment "how was prison?"

iv'e never been to prison , or have a felony, the fvcking government told them that sht by reporting incomplete records.

people say to me , "have faith , there has to be someone who won't care about your record"

it doesn't work that way anymore.

this is the mark of the beast computer age, people type your name in the computer and it comes up either green light or red light , no one cares what they story is , or what the truth is.




the government and the insurance companies are now dictating who works and who doesn't, and everything is now a$$ backwards.

people who have been chopping off people's arms in Africa , come to America , and the government presents them to companies as the role model employee.

this country is in full corruption , and i no longer expect to be successful, i just plan to live the rest of my life , and try to make it out in one piece.



when i go back to California, i don't think i'll have this problem i'm having in Nevada, but i might because HVAC and plumbing are the two most taught trades in prison.

[oloenneker]

when i go back to California, i don't think i'll have this problem i'm having in Nevada, but i might because HVAC and plumbing are the two most taught trades in prison.

Thats pretty accurate for California. I remember when I did new construction work in San Jose, there where always these "parolee plumbers" companies that would underbid everyone...

[wolfstrike]

"parolee plumbers" companies

i hear those guys are the best as far as customer service :)




i know about a guy who walked right out of prison and right into a major AC company as a residential tech.

but i won't reveal which major company is the source of this story. :)

[dw1]

...i later had it expunged.
And that's exactly the reason I said the government has to do more. Half-assed, incomplete, or mislead information is worthless.
I recently hired a convicted felon with a wonderful story. He was convicted of aggraved assult. He was 17 but charged as an adult. Served several years and was paroled. Had a certified copy of his criminal record. Hired him on Monday, he started on Wednesday and I rode with him. Nothing great but OK. On Thursday his parole officer called to say the man had been arrested for parole violation. Seems his story and the parole officiers story were not exactly the same. His certified criminal record were forged. :mad:



i was one of only 4 regular employees in my district who were NOT fired for stealing.

Don't get me started on banks or financial institutions. Again, part of the problem. I'll give some real good odds that the people fired were NOT prosecuted, just discharged. It is so much easier and CHEAPER to just make the problem go away. The cost to them will be so much greater than the sum of money involved which they won't recover. They look at it as a cost of doing busines and call it a business decision.

[wolfstrike]

His certified criminal record were forged.

well this is going to be happening a lot more in the future because people need work.

we can't continue to realease people out of jails then tell them they are free to do what ever they want except have a job.



companies have a right to fire people who lie
companies have a right to not hire people who might be dangerous (criminal record or not)
companies have a right to not send convicted child molesters to peoples houses.
companies have a right to not hire people who may be a waste of time.


but companies do not have a right to play easter egg hunt and extend people's criminal sentences,
'well , you got busted for drinking in public ten years ago so i'm not going to hire you today'

the government does not have the right to release partial or misleading information.



Don't get me started on banks or financial institutions. Again, part of the problem.

banks not only do a background check , but they also do a credit check, they don't hire people with bad credit unless they are a "minority"

i don't agree with it , just because a person has bad credit does not mean they are a theif , companies don't have a right to that personal information , or a right to ask for it.




I'll give some real good odds that the people fired were NOT prosecuted, just discharged.


not in the ATM business , they take finger prints , get video , anything they have to do to get a conviction,
but they can't convict without evidence.


you would be surprised at the people who got caught stealing, people out of the military , x-cops, the majority of people they hired.

that's why i disagree with the current system , no matter how much they try to prejudge someone , they can't.