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tinknocker44
01-09-2007, 05:45 PM
Future of Iraq: The spoils of war
How the West will make a killing on Iraqi oil riches
By Danny Fortson, Andrew Murray-Watson and Tim Webb
Published: 07 January 2007
Iraq's massive oil reserves, the third-largest in the world, are about to be thrown open for large-scale exploitation by Western oil companies under a controversial law which is expected to come before the Iraqi parliament within days.

The US government has been involved in drawing up the law, a draft of which has been seen by The Independent on Sunday. It would give big oil companies such as BP, Shell and Exxon 30-year contracts to extract Iraqi crude and allow the first large-scale operation of foreign oil interests in the country since the industry was nationalised in 1972.

The huge potential prizes for Western firms will give ammunition to critics who say the Iraq war was fought for oil. They point to statements such as one from Vice-President Dick Cheney, who said in 1999, while he was still chief executive of the oil services company Halliburton, that the world would need an additional 50 million barrels of oil a day by 2010. "So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies," he said.
Oil industry executives and analysts say the law, which would permit Western companies to pocket up to three-quarters of profits in the early years, is the only way to get Iraq's oil industry back on its feet after years of sanctions, war and loss of expertise. But it will operate through "production-sharing agreements" (or PSAs) which are highly unusual in the Middle East, where the oil industry in Saudi Arabia and Iran, the world's two largest producers, is state controlled.

Opponents say Iraq, where oil accounts for 95 per cent of the economy, is being forced to surrender an unacceptable degree of sovereignty.

Proposing the parliamentary motion for war in 2003, Tony Blair denied the "false claim" that "we want to seize" Iraq's oil revenues. He said the money should be put into a trust fund, run by the UN, for the Iraqis, but the idea came to nothing. The same year Colin Powell, then Secretary of State, said: "It cost a great deal of money to prosecute this war. But the oil of the Iraqi people belongs to the Iraqi people; it is their wealth, it will be used for their benefit. So we did not do it for oil."Supporters say the provision allowing oil companies to take up to 75 per cent of the profits will last until they have recouped initial drilling costs. After that, they would collect about 20 per cent of all profits, according to industry sources in Iraq. But that is twice the industry average for such deals.

Greg Muttitt, a researcher for Platform, a human rights and environmental group which monitors the oil industry, said Iraq was being asked to pay an enormous price over the next 30 years for its present instability. "They would lose out massively," he said, "because they don't have the capacity at the moment to strike a good deal."

Iraq's Deputy Prime Minister, Barham Salih, who chairs the country's oil committee, is expected to unveil the legislation as early as today. "It is a redrawing of the whole Iraqi oil industry [to] a modern standard," said Khaled Salih, spokesman for the Kurdish Regional Government, a party to the negotiations. The Iraqi government hopes to have the law on the books by March.

Several major oil companies are said to have sent teams into the country in recent months to lobby for deals ahead of the law, though the big names are considered unlikely to invest until the violence in Iraq abates.

James Paul, executive director at the Global Policy Forum, the international government watchdog, said: "It is not an exaggeration to say that the overwhelming majority of the population would be opposed to this. To do it anyway, with minimal discussion within the [Iraqi] parliament is really just pouring more oil on the fire."

Vince Cable, the Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman and a former chief economist at Shell, said it was crucial that any deal would guarantee funds for rebuilding Iraq. "It is absolutely vital that the revenue from the oil industry goes into Iraqi development and is seen to do so," he said. "Although it does make sense to collaborate with foreign investors, it is very important the terms are seen to be fair."

bootlen
01-09-2007, 06:05 PM
Future of Iraq: The spoils of war
How the West will make a killing on Iraqi oil riches
By Danny Fortson, Andrew Murray-Watson and Tim Webb
Published: 07 January 2007
Iraq's massive oil reserves, the third-largest in the world, are about to be thrown open for large-scale exploitation by Western oil companies under a controversial law which is expected to come before the Iraqi parliament within days.

The US government has been involved in drawing up the law, a draft of which has been seen by The Independent on Sunday. It would give big oil companies such as BP, Shell and Exxon 30-year contracts to extract Iraqi crude and allow the first large-scale operation of foreign oil interests in the country since the industry was nationalised in 1972.

The huge potential prizes for Western firms will give ammunition to critics who say the Iraq war was fought for oil. They point to statements such as one from Vice-President Dick Cheney, who said in 1999, while he was still chief executive of the oil services company Halliburton, that the world would need an additional 50 million barrels of oil a day by 2010. "So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies," he said.
Oil industry executives and analysts say the law, which would permit Western companies to pocket up to three-quarters of profits in the early years, is the only way to get Iraq's oil industry back on its feet after years of sanctions, war and loss of expertise. But it will operate through "production-sharing agreements" (or PSAs) which are highly unusual in the Middle East, where the oil industry in Saudi Arabia and Iran, the world's two largest producers, is state controlled.

Opponents say Iraq, where oil accounts for 95 per cent of the economy, is being forced to surrender an unacceptable degree of sovereignty.

Proposing the parliamentary motion for war in 2003, Tony Blair denied the "false claim" that "we want to seize" Iraq's oil revenues. He said the money should be put into a trust fund, run by the UN, for the Iraqis, but the idea came to nothing. The same year Colin Powell, then Secretary of State, said: "It cost a great deal of money to prosecute this war. But the oil of the Iraqi people belongs to the Iraqi people; it is their wealth, it will be used for their benefit. So we did not do it for oil."Supporters say the provision allowing oil companies to take up to 75 per cent of the profits will last until they have recouped initial drilling costs. After that, they would collect about 20 per cent of all profits, according to industry sources in Iraq. But that is twice the industry average for such deals.

Greg Muttitt, a researcher for Platform, a human rights and environmental group which monitors the oil industry, said Iraq was being asked to pay an enormous price over the next 30 years for its present instability. "They would lose out massively," he said, "because they don't have the capacity at the moment to strike a good deal."

Iraq's Deputy Prime Minister, Barham Salih, who chairs the country's oil committee, is expected to unveil the legislation as early as today. "It is a redrawing of the whole Iraqi oil industry [to] a modern standard," said Khaled Salih, spokesman for the Kurdish Regional Government, a party to the negotiations. The Iraqi government hopes to have the law on the books by March.

Several major oil companies are said to have sent teams into the country in recent months to lobby for deals ahead of the law, though the big names are considered unlikely to invest until the violence in Iraq abates.

James Paul, executive director at the Global Policy Forum, the international government watchdog, said: "It is not an exaggeration to say that the overwhelming majority of the population would be opposed to this. To do it anyway, with minimal discussion within the [Iraqi] parliament is really just pouring more oil on the fire."

Vince Cable, the Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman and a former chief economist at Shell, said it was crucial that any deal would guarantee funds for rebuilding Iraq. "It is absolutely vital that the revenue from the oil industry goes into Iraqi development and is seen to do so," he said. "Although it does make sense to collaborate with foreign investors, it is very important the terms are seen to be fair."

Don't look now but that's one of the bennies of winning...the plunder.

corny
01-09-2007, 06:08 PM
I dont think it will ever happen........ the violence is not going to end...oil companies are not going to send there people over there just to end up on tv with their heads lopped off....lol

I mean...we would have to keep troops there indefinitely and what we have there now isnt enough to protect the oil fields and Baghdad......

Isnt kuwait supposed to receive a third of all iraqi oil profits as war reparations ??? I remember hearing that several years ago....but dont know whatever became of it....

tinknocker44
01-09-2007, 06:08 PM
Don't look now but that's one of the bennies of winning...the plunder.

For who? the service men who lost limbs? for you? :rolleyes:

bootlen
01-09-2007, 06:10 PM
For who? the service men who lost limbs? for you? :rolleyes:

Yeah, yer right. Oil is of no use to our national security.

coolwhip
01-09-2007, 06:11 PM
Who do you think is going to build the infrastructure over there??? Money has to come from somewhere.

tinknocker44
01-09-2007, 06:27 PM
Who do you think is going to build the infrastructure over there??? Money has to come from somewhere.

You should read the story.

dw1
01-09-2007, 06:56 PM
Tinhat, if you're going to cut and paste please provide a link.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2132569.ece

When are you guys going to admit that Iraq is a screwed up mess? Quit pi$$ing and moaning about how it got there, there's nothing you or I can do about it. What it is is what it is. What's called for is a plan to fix it. We can either send my tax dollars and yours or we can help rebuild the economy.
It is an absolute fact that 100% of zero is still zero. That's the amount that Saddam gave back to the Iraq's. Instead he built mega castle's with the oil money, supported his 2 idiot kids, tried to annihilate the Kurd's, had a 8 year war with Iran, and spent a fortune on WMD's, just to give you a few of his highlights.
With this plan Iraq would be making a business decision to improve their country by rebuilding their only source of income. It comes down to risk versus return, the higher the risk, the higher the return. The oil companies will not invest billions of dollars if they cannot make a profit.
Iraq cannot succeed as a country without a stable government and the opportunity to employ the population. This "may be" the solution to the problem.
Quit pointing fingers at the mess. Cut and run does nothing to solve the problem.
How would you fix the problem?

chillbilly
01-09-2007, 07:12 PM
There's more than just a few people who continue to assert that Iraqi's were better off with this butcher killing his own, threatening and attacking his neighbors, and denouncing the west while he voraciously devoured western luxuries.

Exit strategies? Exit strategies are for military strategists and are needed when the military is ready to exit only!

Study groups and politicians are out of their skill league when they start trying to dictate military matters.

ctrlguy
01-09-2007, 07:58 PM
When are you guys going to admit that Iraq is a screwed up mess? Quit pi$$ing and moaning about how it got there, there's nothing you or I can do about it. What it is is what it is. What's called for is a plan to fix it. We can either send my tax dollars and yours or we can help rebuild the economy.

Hear hear.
Some things that are worth doing are hard to do. People in the trades should certainly understand that. As for Iraq, maybe it's impossible (creating a stable, free state), but pessimism never got anything done.

tinknocker44
01-09-2007, 08:54 PM
Tinhat, if you're going to cut and paste please provide a link.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2132569.ece

When are you guys going to admit that Iraq is a screwed up mess? Quit pi$$ing and moaning about how it got there, there's nothing you or I can do about it.

You cant tell by my posts over the last few years that I think its a screwed up mess? And this thread has nothing to do with how we got there!?! Pay attention please.

What it is is what it is. What's called for is a plan to fix it. We can either send my tax dollars and yours or we can help rebuild the economy.

The American people want a plan and voted that way. And a fix it they will.(Congress)

It is an absolute fact that 100% of zero is still zero.

Thanks for the 2nd grade math lesson.

That's the amount that Saddam gave back to the Iraq's. Instead he built mega castle's with the oil money, supported his 2 idiot kids, tried to annihilate the Kurd's, had a 8 year war with Iran, and spent a fortune on WMD's, just to give you a few of his highlights.

8 year war the pugs supported and helped Saddam with. Wheres that pic of saddam and rummy the dummy shaking hands? WMD's? really? the same ones dumbya started the war over? Show us all where they are.

With this plan Iraq would be making a business decision to improve their country by rebuilding their only source of income. It comes down to risk versus return, the higher the risk, the higher the return. The oil companies will not invest billions of dollars if they cannot make a profit.
Iraq cannot succeed as a country without a stable government and the opportunity to employ the population. This "may be" the solution to the problem.

It will never happen as long as we are there. Did you forget the civil war going on there? Which side do we help? Sunni(saddam) shiite(Iran) Come on answer man lets hear a solution

Quit pointing fingers at the mess.

I love showing the pugs they were wrong all along.:) :D

Cut and run does nothing to solve the problem.

Ya it didnt help in another quagmire called Vietnam either:rolleyes:

How would you fix the problem?

Whatever any pug says to do, I'd just the opposite. We'd be out of there in hours.

chillbilly
01-09-2007, 09:39 PM
originall posted by fartknocker
"Whatever any pug says to do, I'd just the opposite. We'd be out of there in hours".
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There you have it folks!Fairly black and white. Cut and dried.

A simple plan from a simple minded man.


I'm dissapointed that you couldn't cut and paste a 200 point plan from your recent favorite libbie blog.

James 3528
01-09-2007, 10:11 PM
So what if it was about the oil? We are not getting any from Iraq now to amount to beans and it's $56 a barrel. Who cares except for idiots. Liberals hate wars, unless they start them. We are still in Kosovo, ya never hear them ***** about that.

glennac
01-09-2007, 10:15 PM
We simply got sucked into the war to help Israel out but now that we are in it we can’t just leave. We have to win it or we will surely pay hell for it. It is simple as that. I wish we would have left them alone but it is to late now. The Democrats were all for it then but now they want to cut and run like in Korea and Vietnam and disgrace the US again in the eyes of the world and thus empower our enemies. PS Tinhead, I hope the comment from the Adm wasn't set off becasue of a little harmless joke thread which didn't work out anyhow because the picture of a unshaven convict wouldn't come up. Maybe next time.

James 3528
01-09-2007, 10:45 PM
Inside a liberals head.


I need to act like I care about the troops and get them home so the money can be spent on me. I'm getting old and didn't plan for anything so I am gonna need the democrats to front me some cash for my edumacated vote.

dw1
01-10-2007, 09:08 AM
How would you fix the problem?

Whatever any pug says to do, I'd just the opposite. We'd be out of there in hours.

Tinhat, I'm sorry, I must not have been paying attention. How does cut and run clean up the mess?
HOLY SMOKE, I think I've got it! You want somebody else to clean up the mess.
For whatever reason you remind me of someone who doesn't have the decency to flush the toilet after a hard night of drinking beer and eating pickled pig's knuckles. :(

tinknocker44
01-10-2007, 06:24 PM
Tinhat, I'm sorry, I must not have been paying attention. How does cut and run clean up the mess?
HOLY SMOKE, I think I've got it! You want somebody else to clean up the mess.
For whatever reason you remind me of someone who doesn't have the decency to flush the toilet after a hard night of drinking beer and eating pickled pig's knuckles. :(

Apparently you dont pay attention. The chimp has already said the next Pres. will have to clean it up.

James 3528
01-10-2007, 07:26 PM
So in your own words with out any help from your pets there, tell us what you think that means.