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tinknocker44
01-07-2007, 08:07 AM
What are they hiding from the American people now?


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House and the Secret Service quietly signed an agreement last spring in the midst of the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal declaring records identifying visitors to the White House are not open to the public.

The Bush administration did not reveal the existence of the memorandum of understanding until last fall.

The White House is using it to deal with a legal problem on a separate front, a ruling by a federal judge ordering the production of Secret Service logs identifying visitors to the office of Vice President Dick Cheney.

In a federal appeals court filing three weeks ago, the administration's lawyers used the memo in a legal argument aimed at overturning the judge's ruling. The Washington Post is suing for access to the Secret Service logs.

The five-page document dated May 17 declares that all entry and exit data on White House visitors belongs to the White House as presidential records rather than to the Secret Service as agency records.

Therefore, the agreement states, the material is not subject to public disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act.

In the past, Secret Service logs have revealed the comings and goings of various White House visitors, including Monica Lewinsky and Clinton campaign donor Denise Rich, the wife of fugitive financier Marc Rich, who received a pardon in the closing hours of the Clinton administration.

The memo last spring was signed by the White House and Secret Service the day after a Washington-based group asked a federal judge to impose sanctions on the Secret Service in a dispute over White House visitor logs for Abramoff.

The chief counsel to another Washington-based group suing to get Secret Service logs calls the creation of the memo "a political maneuver couched as a legal one."

"It appears the White House is actually manufacturing evidence to further its own agenda," Anne Weismann, a Justice Department lawyer for 19 years and now chief counsel to Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said Friday.

The White House and the Secret Service declined to comment.

Last year in the Abramoff scandal, the Bush administration, in response to three lawsuits, provided an incomplete picture of how many visits Abramoff and his lobbying team made to the White House.

The task of digging out Abramoff-White House links fell to a House committee that collected the lobbyist's billing records and e-mails.

The House report found 485 lobbying contacts with presidential aides over three years, including 10 with top Bush administration aide Karl Rove.

As part of its security function of protecting the White House complex, the Secret Service uses the log information to conduct background checks on people prior to daily appointments and visits.

The memorandum of understanding is an unusual step because it deals with an unsettled area of law.

Federal courts will ultimately decide whether records identifying White House visitors and who they are going to see are under the legal control of the Secret Service or are presidential records publicly releasable solely at the discretion of the White House.

The Bush administration's agreement with the Secret Service "at a minimum will serve to postpone a final resolution of who these records belong to," said Steven Aftergood, director of the Project on Government Secrecy for the Federation of American Scientists.

"This memo reflects the Bush administration's view of American government, which is that the people's business should be conducted behind closed doors."

In the mid-1990s, a conservative group, Judicial Watch, obtained Secret Service entry logs through a lawsuit.

Secret Service records played a significant role in the Whitewater scandal in the 1990s, supplying congressional Republicans with leads to follow in their investigations of the Clintons.

A decade ago, Senate investigators used Secret Service logs to document who visited the White House during the fundraising scandal surrounding President Clinton's re-election campaign.


The Bush administration and the Secret Service last spring agreed to keep private the logs documenting White House visitors.

dw1
01-07-2007, 12:46 PM
Tinhat, thanks for posting this. Brings back some old names from the past. ;)


In the past, Secret Service logs have revealed the comings and goings of various White House visitors, including Monica Lewinsky and Clinton campaign donor Denise Rich, the wife of fugitive financier Marc Rich, who received a pardon in the closing hours of the Clinton administration.

How about an update on Marc Rich since the Clinton pardon?
Source BusinessWeek on line, July 18,2005

"Although Rich testified in writing in March, 2005, to a House committee investigating the U.N. program that he was not in any way active in the Oil-for-Food program, documents suggest that he bought Iraqi oil in 2001 from various front companies, which BusinessWeek has identified. This took place just one month after his pardon. If so, it seems that Rich may have misled Congress. The CIA, the Senate, and others have concluded that from September, 2000, until September, 2002, buyers in the Oil-for-Food oil program had to pay illegal surcharges that Saddam used in part to buy weapons, though no documents show Rich made such payments. Some investigators believe Iraqi insurgents are now using that money."
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"Saddam banked about $10 billion from oil surcharges and smuggling, says the U.S. Government Accountability Office. Initially it enabled him to live large, buying fleets of Mercedes and the finest wine, according to the CIA. But when pressure from the Bush Administration mounted in 2001, Saddam earmarked the money for a war chest that "is likely funding the current insurgents," says John Fawcett, an independent investigator tracking Iraqi funds who recently testified to the House Committee on Energy & Commerce."

Full article http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_29/b3943080.htm

chillbilly
01-07-2007, 02:22 PM
"It appears the White House is actually manufacturing evidence to further its own agenda," Anne Weismann, a Justice Department lawyer for 19 years and now chief counsel to Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said Friday.
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Did Ms. Weismann actually produce any evidence that has been purportedly "maufactured"??

see glue-boy, allegations and lip service are quite different from actual evidence. She has nada and we have an article misrepresenting the real need for these changes.


The Clinton admin breaching security so slick-willie could get his no-sex blowjobs, is the reason for the security changes and the reason we're all here talking about this one folks.
:D :eek: :D :eek: .



It's called "change to promote integrity" and it's something that definitely improved when the American people and GWB helped welcome slick-willie back into private life.

corny
01-07-2007, 03:09 PM
How is denying access to the logs promoting integrity ???

geerair
01-07-2007, 05:10 PM
How is denying access to the logs promoting integrity ???in the mind of the Bush butt smoocher, nothing is so important as covering Bush's ass.


Logic and reason fall by the wayside in service of the Chimp.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

geerair
01-07-2007, 05:20 PM
What are they hiding from the American people now?


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House and the Secret Service quietly signed an agreement last spring in the midst of the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal declaring records identifying visitors to the White House are not open to the public.

The Bush administration did not reveal the existence of the memorandum of understanding until last fall.

The White House is using it to deal with a legal problem on a separate front, a ruling by a federal judge ordering the production of Secret Service logs identifying visitors to the office of Vice President Dick Cheney.

In a federal appeals court filing three weeks ago, the administration's lawyers used the memo in a legal argument aimed at overturning the judge's ruling. The Washington Post is suing for access to the Secret Service logs.

The five-page document dated May 17 declares that all entry and exit data on White House visitors belongs to the White House as presidential records rather than to the Secret Service as agency records.

Therefore, the agreement states, the material is not subject to public disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act.

In the past, Secret Service logs have revealed the comings and goings of various White House visitors, including Monica Lewinsky and Clinton campaign donor Denise Rich, the wife of fugitive financier Marc Rich, who received a pardon in the closing hours of the Clinton administration.

The memo last spring was signed by the White House and Secret Service the day after a Washington-based group asked a federal judge to impose sanctions on the Secret Service in a dispute over White House visitor logs for Abramoff.

The chief counsel to another Washington-based group suing to get Secret Service logs calls the creation of the memo "a political maneuver couched as a legal one."

"It appears the White House is actually manufacturing evidence to further its own agenda," Anne Weismann, a Justice Department lawyer for 19 years and now chief counsel to Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said Friday.

The White House and the Secret Service declined to comment.

Last year in the Abramoff scandal, the Bush administration, in response to three lawsuits, provided an incomplete picture of how many visits Abramoff and his lobbying team made to the White House.

The task of digging out Abramoff-White House links fell to a House committee that collected the lobbyist's billing records and e-mails.

The House report found 485 lobbying contacts with presidential aides over three years, including 10 with top Bush administration aide Karl Rove.

As part of its security function of protecting the White House complex, the Secret Service uses the log information to conduct background checks on people prior to daily appointments and visits.

The memorandum of understanding is an unusual step because it deals with an unsettled area of law.

Federal courts will ultimately decide whether records identifying White House visitors and who they are going to see are under the legal control of the Secret Service or are presidential records publicly releasable solely at the discretion of the White House.

The Bush administration's agreement with the Secret Service "at a minimum will serve to postpone a final resolution of who these records belong to," said Steven Aftergood, director of the Project on Government Secrecy for the Federation of American Scientists.

"This memo reflects the Bush administration's view of American government, which is that the people's business should be conducted behind closed doors."

In the mid-1990s, a conservative group, Judicial Watch, obtained Secret Service entry logs through a lawsuit.

Secret Service records played a significant role in the Whitewater scandal in the 1990s, supplying congressional Republicans with leads to follow in their investigations of the Clintons.

A decade ago, Senate investigators used Secret Service logs to document who visited the White House during the fundraising scandal surrounding President Clinton's re-election campaign.


The Bush administration and the Secret Service last spring agreed to keep private the logs documenting White House visitors.Yeah, it is all about trying to brush up Bush's turd covered legacy and a desperate attempt to avoid multiple Whitehouse frog marches.

When the Abramoff story first broke, the Whitehouse denied they knew Abramoff.

Then they denied he had ever been to the Whitehouse.

Then they claimed he had only been to the Whitehouse a few times.

Then they claimed he had only been to the Whitehouse a few times for ceremonial functions.

Then they denied Abramoff had continual meetings with Bush and Whitehouse officials and staffers.

Now they are shutting off access to formerly open records.

Gee, who could possibly question their motives for this action? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

chillbilly
01-07-2007, 06:29 PM
How is denying access to the logs promoting integrity ???

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Depends on whose viewing the logs. Duh

White House Security has had to step up their efforts to keep the President safe, especially since the security was so horribly degraded under Clinton, no pun intended.
No more interns in and out (no pun intended) for sleep-overs.

It's a security thing.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D



Now, about that "manufacturing evidence" claim from Ms. Weismann..........................................

geerair
01-07-2007, 08:07 PM
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Depends on whose viewing the logs. Duh

White House Security has had to step up their efforts to keep the President safe, especially since the security was so horribly degraded under Clinton, no pun intended.
No more interns in and out (no pun intended) for sleep-overs.

It's a security thing.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D



Now, about that "manufacturing evidence" claim from Ms. Weismann.......................................... Bawhahahahahahah, woohoo, serious Bush buttsmooching. :p :p :p

chillbilly
01-07-2007, 10:26 PM
Bawhahahahahahah, woohoo, serious Bush buttsmooching. :p :p :p
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Well, you're the bloke with the bad knees.

geerair
01-07-2007, 11:22 PM
Well, you're the bloke with the bad knees.Yeah, football is tough on the knees. :eek: :eek: :eek:

chillbilly
01-09-2007, 09:20 PM
Yeah, football is tough on the knees. :eek: :eek: :eek:

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Yeah sure....football...yeah, that's the ticket.

It couldn't possibly be that you visited Clinton in the oval office too,............could it?
:D :D :D :D

geerair
01-10-2007, 01:29 AM
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