Still thinking of voting for Obama?

[jmac00]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jHsb17MRAj8

If you have half a brain, this should change your mind :whistle:

[2sac]

Good video. Ony failed to mention corruption. I'm guilty like many to vote a straight party ticket. Corruption lies on all sides of the fence.

[cehs]

That is how I believe, and will vote.
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[Southern Mech]

Not an Bummer man but I am sure there is carp like this on ole Mitt Rob me .

I do not care who you vote for , neither are worth a damn

[jmac00]

Not an Bummer man but I am sure there is carp like this on ole Mitt Rob me .

I do not care who you vote for , neither are worth a damn

I agree with your assessment. BUT you have to ask yourself "of the two crappy choices, which one will do the least damage in the future"

We KNOW one of them is a total disaster. The only thing he has been in charge of is a community organizer and it shows. the other is at least a businessman AND returned the Olympics to solvency when they were in deep financial trouble. He ran a Major corporation (regardless of his polices) which turned a profit.

Both of the bad choices will be appointing (at least) two Justices to the Supreme Court. Do you want the guy who appointed to anti-constitutionalists (kagen and Sotomayer), or a guy that believes in the constitution?

Im picking the lesser of two evils.

Obama keeps saying he is "making real progress" In reality he is moving the country backward faster than anyone in history. He is saying unemployment is below 8%? Ask ANY economist and they are stunned at that number. There is no way the math adds up, he "cooked" the books to make unemployment figure look like he's making progress. He flat out lied, period!!!

The reality is unemployment is at or over 14% and probably higher. Who knows the real number, if you include all those that are underemployed/partime or stopped looking for work.

And whats this crap about taxing the rich? Just asking them to pay "just a little more". Seriously! Obama wants to punish the 1% of the population that pays 90% of all taxes? This is saying to anyone "if you succeed, we will take any extra money you make."

How freaking stupid is that?

[netsalt]

We are to believe there is a HUGE conspiracy across many agencies and states so that the premise "Obama cooked the books" that is quite a stretch. Civics lesson here http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm

If this huge increase in the wealth at the top end didn't occur there would be no need for changes in the tax code, we would all be in the money and able to afford to pay taxes. But as can be proven statistically the past 30 years has seen a dramatic shift in wealth to the top due to trickle down economics. Robme would see a return to the same policies with extra vigor so if you want the rich richer and the middle class poorer he is your man.

[jmac00]

We are to believe there is a HUGE conspiracy across many agencies and states so that the premise "Obama cooked the books" that is quite a stretch. Civics lesson here http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm

If this huge increase in the wealth at the top end didn't occur there would be no need for changes in the tax code, we would all be in the money and able to afford to pay taxes. But as can be proven statistically the past 30 years has seen a dramatic shift in wealth to the top due to trickle down economics. Robme would see a return to the same policies with extra vigor so if you want the rich richer and the middle class poorer he is your man.

hey if you think your better off now than 4 years a go, or even 12 years a go, then vote for the Community organizer.

If your 401K is in the toilet, If your health care has sky rocketed in the last 4 years and your prone to blaming all the other previous Presidents for our present situation, and you WANT TO BE TAXED to death with a "health care" plan that is basically a back door tax. Vote for Obama.

What are you going to do in a year if Obama get re-elected and the economy is worse off than now (and it will be worse off) you still going to blame Bush? Obama OWNS this economy, period

But it seems your basic premiss is to tax/penalize the "rich" for being successful and that EVERYONE should be middle class. Bring the Poor UP to middle class status by taxing the rich and giving it to the poor and thereby bringing the rich DOWN to middle class status.

Sounds like something out of the communist play book.

[energy star]

Obama

[coolwhip]

Anybody voting for Obama is a bigot....there is absolutely no other reason why somebody would vote for this person other than the fact he is half black.

I ask people all the time why they would vote for Obama....and they wont say. All they do is digress and talk about Bush. When I press the subject, they start to get annoyed.

[energy star]

You are lost

[coolwhip]

I once was lost, but now Im found...tell your fish Im the king and run this town!

[kls-ccc]

I am not rich by economic standards and probably never will be. Having said that it scares the h*!! out of me when they start talking about taxing the rich in that when they can't get enough out of those that make over $250k they will lower the level. When they still can't get enough they will lower it again. At some point they are below my level.

Do the tax codes need to be revised, YES. Should the "rich" pay more in taxes than others, yes in $, no in %. Fill in the loopholes, cut spending, and we will have a real surplus.

As long as I believe the playing field is level, if someone makes more money than I, good for them, I should have worked harder.

[netsalt]

Anybody voting for Obama is a bigot....there is absolutely no other reason why somebody would vote for this person other than the fact he is half black.

I ask people all the time why they would vote for Obama....and they wont say. All they do is digress and talk about Bush. When I press the subject, they start to get annoyed.

There are other reasons outside of bigotry, but to folks like you I guess that's how it looks. :.02:

Funny Romney supporters can't say much about him either - "He is a good business man" other than that they get annoyed.

[hearthman]

I can say Romney isn't Obama and that's saying a LOT! Romney may not be the best choice but I don't think he is evil like Obama and his handlers.

I want to hear from the Obama supporters not their usual bashing of conservatives but laud Obama's successes and why we should be proud to have him as our POTUS.

[coolwhip]

There are other reasons outside of bigotry, but to folks like you I guess that's how it looks. :.02:

Funny Romney supporters can't say much about him either - "He is a good business man" other than that they get annoyed.

Lets hear the reasons Jane.

Romney has at least worked in his life and knows business.

Obama cant even build a ham sandwich, and throws a ball like a sissy.
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[netsalt]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/8941/large/TMW2012-10-31colorPNG.png?1351181691

Now how about that "magic underware" too! Maybe that is the answer to the world's problems.

[coolwhip]

Like I said earlier, libs wont tell you why....they just throw crap out there like nutsalt does thinking that somehow it will cleanse their guilty bigot conscience.

[netsalt]

In that case, other than being a spectacular vulture capitalist what is Robme going to do for the country. Be specific please - with details.

[coolwhip]

Hopefully he will start by sterilizing people like you so you cant have offspring. :D

[netsalt]

Too late - six progeny.

I didn't really expect any GOOD reasons for voting for ANY Republican.:grin2:

[Phrancis]

Personally I hope they have such a gridlock in Congress that they can't pass anything big. Seems like regardless of who is in, the more bills they pass the more damage they do. I can't vote because I'm not US citizen (legally immigrated resident) but if I could I would vote for Gary Johnson. If enough voters "wasted" their votes on alternative candidates maybe we could all put an end to this dreadful two-party system.

[exreo]

I agree with your assessment. BUT you have to ask yourself "of the two crappy choices, which one will do the least damage in the future"

We KNOW one of them is a total disaster. The only thing he has been in charge of is a community organizer and it shows. the other is at least a businessman AND returned the Olympics to solvency when they were in deep financial trouble. He ran a Major corporation (regardless of his polices) which turned a profit.

Both of the bad choices will be appointing (at least) two Justices to the Supreme Court. Do you want the guy who appointed to anti-constitutionalists (kagen and Sotomayer), or a guy that believes in the constitution?

Im picking the lesser of two evils.

Obama keeps saying he is "making real progress" In reality he is moving the country backward faster than anyone in history. He is saying unemployment is below 8%? Ask ANY economist and they are stunned at that number. There is no way the math adds up, he "cooked" the books to make unemployment figure look like he's making progress. He flat out lied, period!!!

The reality is unemployment is at or over 14% and probably higher. Who knows the real number, if you include all those that are underemployed/partime or stopped looking for work.

And whats this crap about taxing the rich? Just asking them to pay "just a little more". Seriously! Obama wants to punish the 1% of the population that pays 90% of all taxes? This is saying to anyone "if you succeed, we will take any extra money you make."

How freaking stupid is that?

You're right.

[Hwolfe]

I'll give you one. The military hasn't had a pay raise in the last four years. At least the republicans supports our troops.

[netsalt]

I'll give you one. The military hasn't had a pay raise in the last four years. At least the republicans supports our troops.

When did Rmoney promise that?

[exreo]

I'll give you one. The military hasn't had a pay raise in the last four years. At least the republicans supports our troops.

And the republicans let them vote. The dems try to keep them from voting anyway they can.

[netsalt]

So far lots of propaganda but no specific references to what Robme will do to save us from the evil overlords.

[corny]

And the republicans let them vote. The dems try to keep them from voting anyway they can.

More info please on the dems suppressing military vote.

I cant find anything on google. Scrubbed ???

thanks

[coolwhip]

So tell us nutsalt, why is Obama going to get your vote?

[corny]

I'll give you one. The military hasn't had a pay raise in the last four years. At least the republicans supports our troops.

They have actually gotten a pay increase each of the last 4 years.

[Hwolfe]

There has been a cost of living increase based on the cost of living each year but not an actual pay increases. When bush was in office there was a cost of living increase and then six months later a pay increase.

[corny]

Who is Romney going to get the cash he needs to fix america from.... He used massive amounts of federal money to fix the olympics.....and did the same in Mass.

I believe his plan for balancing the budget mainly consists of cutting federal funding from many states like he did to the counties and cities in Mass and increasing and coming up with new fees, (taxes), like he also did in Mass.....

He actually left Mass in a worse state than he recieved it before he fixed it.....lol.....

Im just curious as to how shifting the burdens of government programs onto the state, increasing or coming up with new "fees"....and using smoke and mirrors to shift the blame is going to actually help this country.

And while I will agree that Romney is a very successfull businessman.... I dont see how his business savvy is going to help us when his business experience consists mainly of shutting down companies...sending american workers out onto the street and selling off the companies to China.

Seems counterproductive to me. Whats good for investors in a company like Bain doesnt equate to being good for american working slugs who need some relief......and jobs...

Shiftless and lazy huckster and shuckster herman cain for pres....... that ****** is our only hope....

[netsalt]

So tell us nutsalt, why is Obama going to get your vote?

Well c*ckwhip I think the country would be in deep doo-doo if Robme and Lyen got in.

Why does the R&R team get your vote?

[jmac00]

So far lots of propaganda but no specific references to what Robme will do to save us from the evil overlords.

obviously your "request" is stupid as no one can see the future. all we have to go on is what the candidates did in the past. NObama's record speaks for itself.(watch the video) So does Romney's. Yes we could concentrate on Romney closing businesses and all that crap, but what people should be focused on his Romney's ability to turn a profit. I want the businessman. I want the guy the guy that has actually worked for a living.

I DO NOT want some dumbass, un-American jerk who cant even salute to the flag, let alone face the flag.

Again this comes down to which candidate you think will do the least damage or help turn the economy around.

NObama is NOT that candidate, he has proven time and time again that (1) he's as transparent as mud, (2) has no problem lying to America, (3) Is very good at enabling our enemies.

As long as NObama is in office our country will get weaker, both militarily and economically

[jmac00]

Who is Romney going to get the cash he needs to fix america from.... He used massive amounts of federal money to fix the olympics.....and did the same in Mass.

I believe his plan for balancing the budget mainly consists of cutting federal funding from many states like he did to the counties and cities in Mass and increasing and coming up with new fees, (taxes), like he also did in Mass.....

He actually left Mass in a worse state than he recieved it before he fixed it.....lol.....

Im just curious as to how shifting the burdens of government programs onto the state, increasing or coming up with new "fees"....and using smoke and mirrors to shift the blame is going to actually help this country.

And while I will agree that Romney is a very successfull businessman.... I dont see how his business savvy is going to help us when his business experience consists mainly of shutting down companies...sending american workers out onto the street and selling off the companies to China.

Seems counterproductive to me. Whats good for investors in a company like Bain doesnt equate to being good for american working slugs who need some relief......and jobs...

Shiftless and lazy huckster and shuckster herman cain for pres....... that ****** is our only hope....

cutting spending on useless crap is going to be key to ether candidate. If they don't cut spending, all the tax increase in the world won't help the economy.

State's should be allowed to either fail or survive on there own merits. This will force fiscal responsibility. If I have to watch my budget and spending, so should government

[corny]

There has been a cost of living increase based on the cost of living each year but not an actual pay increases. When bush was in office there was a cost of living increase and then six months later a pay increase.

No, they get a raise every year.... cola is something some get and some dont...depends on where you are stationed.

Dems and pugs both have fought for and against military pay increases...

Do a little reading...... Even the mighty reagan and bush, 1 and 2, made cuts to military benefits and veterans benefits...... all presidents do it.....and will continue to do so because its an easy way to cut spending.

Clinton, Obammy.... no different.....

Romneys plans for increasing military spending will probably cut into active duty and retiree benefits....

No biggie.... they ALL do it.

[glennac]

No, they get a raise every year.... cola is something some get and some dont...depends on where you are stationed.

Dems and pugs both have fought for and against military pay increases...

Do a little reading...... Even the mighty reagan and bush, 1 and 2, made cuts to military benefits and veterans benefits...... all presidents do it.....and will continue to do so because its an easy way to cut spending.

Clinton, Obammy.... no different.....

Romneys plans for increasing military spending will probably cut into active duty and retiree benefits....

No biggie.... they ALL do it.

Still plugging away for Obama I see corny. Hope your neighbors don't find out. LOL. Thank you, thank you very much

[coolwhip]

Well c*ckwhip I think the country would be in deep doo-doo if Robme and Lyen got in.

Why does the R&R team get your vote?

Still cant answer the question can you?...folks like you shouldn't be allowed to vote because you don't know what the hell your voting for anyway, probably shouldn't be allowed to drive either.

A menace to society!

[netsalt]

Still cant answer the question can you?...folks like you shouldn't be allowed to vote because you don't know what the hell your voting for anyway, probably shouldn't be allowed to drive either.

A menace to society!

The question was answered. Somehow I doubt you are even capable of voting, but if you are, you should be able to elucidate eloquently about the joys of voting for RMoney but you haven't. Game, set, match.

[ControlsInMT]

The question was answered. Somehow I doubt you are even capable of voting, but if you are, you should be able to elucidate eloquently about the joys of voting for RMoney but you haven't. Game, set, match.

I have to call BS on you Net. Where did you answer why you are voting for Obama? I see where you posted that you don't like Romney and Ryan, but not why Obama draws your "loyalist" attitude.

[coolwhip]

He didn't...he is a liar mouth.

[netsalt]

I have to call BS on you Net. Where did you answer why you are voting for Obama? I see where you posted that you don't like Romney and Ryan, but not why Obama draws your "loyalist" attitude.

That seems to be the reason given for Romney voters - He is not Obama. Just because I don't want a vulture capitalist for president should be reason enough. The lesser of two evils and such stuff.

Hey cool - sell me on Rmoney - bet ya can't. Nuthin to sell.

[glennac]

To answer salty why is simple. We don't want socialist or communist America but like the one we and our forefathers grew up in.

We don't like the "change" to a 3rd World impoverished state Obama is taking us too. Thank you very much

[ControlsInMT]

That seems to be the reason given for Romney voters - He is not Obama. Just because I don't want a vulture capitalist for president should be reason enough. The lesser of two evils and such stuff.

Hey cool - sell me on Rmoney - bet ya can't. Nuthin to sell.

Ahhh Grasshopper....many before me have tried to get you to snatch the pebble from their hand and failed. I doubt anything would ever change your mind. If you can sleep well at night after you cast your vote, I guess that's good for you.

Personally, the lies, the deception, the general lack of pride in the USA by the current POTUS is enough for me not to cast my vote for him. Notice I didn't say vote for Romney. I have the choice to vote for one or the other (or third party) or to not even vote in the Presidential election.

I do plan on voting for Romney and Ryan. I want to see what a businessman can do for our country. I like Ryan and what he has to say. Both of them come off as "class acts" and I cannot say that for their competition. I believe they will step up and take responsibilty for things and not continue to blame previous office holders.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this the first time in the past 100 years that we have operated under an entire presidency WITHOUT a budget? That concerns me. Checks keep getting written on somebody else's dime. I have kids, two boys. I want a POTUS that my boys could be proud of. Obama is not that man. Is Romney? I'm hoping so, but there's only one way I can find out.

Now, care to elaborate on your pathetic reasons?

[energy star]

The deficit Obama has to deal with came from BUSH

[Six]

Too late - six progeny.

I didn't really expect any GOOD reasons for voting for ANY Republican.:grin2:

Im sure CW considers that reference quite the compliment and although my lack of free time and the fact that my phone HATES the new forum design its still nice to know my input still has legs so to speak.

So on to your question concerning how Romney plans to improve our economy.

You should know by now that a Conservative Presidents approach to improving a down economy is to get the hell out of the way.

Kill the ridiculous draconian regulations and lower taxes on people who invest and spend.

Its how a free market economy grows.

Bill Clinton did it. He lowered Capital Gains Taxes.

Means testing for welfare and Social Security disabillity and fight off the retards in the Congress that try and re-impliment Obamas nonsense.

[Six]

The deficit Obama has to deal with came from BUSH

You are seriously mistaken in your assertion that Buah had anything to do with our current economic situation.

And no a twisted Keynesian approach is not how you turn a economy around thats on its arse in the first place because of Democrats and their policies that lowered underwriting standards for home loans.

But alas Im wasting my time again. Trying to speak reason to the indelibly dull witted. Trying to educate the intellectually blind and deaf.

The political Helen Kellers of our age who would follow Obama off a cliff rather than think for them selves.

[energy star]

Obama has had a positive job growth.

Dow When Bush took office 1/20/2001=10,588 when he left, 1/19/2008=8000

Obama 1/20/2009=8077 last week 13,107

Go figure!

[energy star]

Six you go write your poetry, and cast your glass half empty. You have invested no time other than Rush and Fox

[kamersoutdoor]

The deficit Obama has to deal with came from BUSH



"Firemen "inherit" messes. Ever seen one put gas on it?
LOL, Had to steal that quote, I think it suits that type of rhetoric well.

Really, I can't believe people are still using that line of crap. Seems to be the ones not able to defend their trance with "The Great One"

[energy star]

Six do you have a key just labeled "Google" on your keyboard for research?

[energy star]

Not crap, someone has to pay for it. It has to go on a balance sheet somewhere!

[energy star]

Where would you put the debt? Where did Obama get it from in 2009-2010?

[energy star]

Also, a womam should be able to do what ever she wants with her own body.

[energy star]

what about jobs....let it rip

[energy star]

Roe v. Wade

[corny]

cutting spending on useless crap is going to be key to ether candidate. If they don't cut spending, all the tax increase in the world won't help the economy.

State's should be allowed to either fail or survive on there own merits. This will force fiscal responsibility. If I have to watch my budget and spending, so should government

Neither candidate is going to cut useless spending.... if they were...someone would have already done it.

I can look back the decades I have been voting and all I can remember is people saying they are going to cut wastefull spending and pork... but I cant say that anyone has ever actually done it. We make jokes out the pork barrel spending... thats how bad it has gotten.

While I have no problem with the government ending a lot of funding that normally goes to the state level.... first...it aint gonna happen...and second...if Romney does decide to try and go that route..... how is going to help the average taxpayer ???

The states are just going to put the burden on the taxpayers at the state level......or... they can shift some of the burden to the cities and counties like Romney did.....but the cities and counties are still going to come after us to make up the loss of funds.

I hope Romney wins just for the fact that Id like to see exactly what he has in store and how it does work out. If he loses we are going to be stuck with "Well Romney could have saved us, like he did the Olympics and Mass".

And I dont think any of us want to here that drek for 4 years.....

Obama or Romney for Pres...... I dont see it affecting me one way or the other....... I have an employer who doesnt let the economy dictate to him what he is going to do..... and I believe me and mine will just keep chugging along....while the rest of the country believes the hype and just stands there with the hands in their pockets and does nothing.

Working man ??? Aint either of them going to do a damn thing for you but continue to strip those dollars out of your wallet ....

[jmac00]

The deficit Obama has to deal with came from BUSH

BWHAHAHAHA


OMG, go watch the video genius :gah::rolleyes::rolleyes: This is NObama's economy now. Don't even think of pushing this off on ANYONE other than that nim-cum-poop NObama

[WebCTRL]

That seems to be the reason given for Romney voters - He is not Obama. Just because I don't want a vulture capitalist for president should be reason enough. The lesser of two evils and such stuff.

Hey cool - sell me on Rmoney - bet ya can't. Nuthin to sell.

Is it that you just hate America or you just want some more freebies? Obama has done nothing for this Country, during his Presidency or before.... Romney has been a contributing citizen, a successful Governor and a very successful businessman that believes in what the original USofA stands for. At least he has a plan. What does obama have for a plan, heck he can't even put a budget together, for any of his years as POTUS. Pitiful, pitiful lil' O. Guess all that's Bush's fault too!

And, ole nutty, you said you could provide reasons for Obama, what happened... where is it?

[energy star]

You can change your font size. Convincing

[energy star]

Web, that post says nothing.

[jmac00]

Web, that post says nothing.

ya, exactly what you have been saying for the last 10 posts, or are you just trying to get your post count up

[energy star]

I think not

[energy star]

Why don't you talk about jobs?

Roe v. Wade? (you for it?)

tell me your facts!!!

[kls-ccc]

First off, the Dems held majority in both house and senate starting in 07, Obama was part of that majority. 07 is when the economy started to really head south.

Why is it ok for Obamacare to tell a woman what she can do with her body but not a repub? As far as that goes then we should legalize prostitution and put strip clubs on every corner if we don't want to tell a woman what she can do with her body.

As far as jobs go, the pres doesn't create jobs {except for government jobs that don't add to the economy} but he does create a enviroment where those that do create jobs will want to make that investment.

[energy star]

At least the republicans supports our troops.

"Senate Republicans blocked legislation Wednesday that would have established a $1 billion jobs program putting veterans back to work tending to the country's federal lands and bolstering local police and fire departments."

I would ask a veteran how he feels about it. Seems they could use MORE support from the Senate REPUBLICANS.

[energy star]

BS Kiss. What is obama telling women what they have to do?

[energy star]

As far as jobs go, the pres doesn't create jobs {except for government jobs that don't add to the economy} but he does create a enviroment where those that do create jobs will want to make that investment.

What? Anyone Home?

[jtrammel]

"Senate Republicans blocked legislation Wednesday that would have established a $1 billion jobs program putting veterans back to work tending to the country's federal lands and bolstering local police and fire departments."

I would ask a veteran how he feels about it. Seems they could use MORE support from the Senate REPUBLICANS.

What vets need is for everyone to get back to work, spending money to "guarantee"veterans jobs seem like the wrong thing to do. its evend kind of demeaning to vets, "We know you couldn't possibly get a job on your own so here, go wander around The Grand Canyon and pick up trash." We need a strong economy, then there would be jobs. Government doesn't create jobs, it kills jobs. Obama has done nothing good in 4 years, he deserves to be fired.

[energy star]

Another glass half empty. Perfect. Yes signing pledges is a much better approach. They certainly have done plenty of that in the past.

[corny]

First off, the Dems held majority in both house and senate starting in 07, Obama was part of that majority. 07 is when the economy started to really head south.

Why is it ok for Obamacare to tell a woman what she can do with her body but not a repub? As far as that goes then we should legalize prostitution and put strip clubs on every corner if we don't want to tell a woman what she can do with her body.

As far as jobs go, the pres doesn't create jobs {except for government jobs that don't add to the economy} but he does create a enviroment where those that do create jobs will want to make that investment.

Government jobs do add to the economy...... I see what you are saying.... they eat up tax dollars and that is true.... but for every good government job in an areas it allows more retail and service jobs to become neccesary..... Its sorta like manufacturing.... they say for every manufacturing job a community gains or loses.....it also gains or loses 2-3 retail and or service industry jobs.

Government jobs are good steady jobs...and those folks have the cash to spend....

Im not pro government jobs either...... Im a f******* taxpayer and Ive worked around those lazy good for nothing people all my life..... I can stand out in my yard and watch as 5 guys show up to put a new street sign up...... shovel guy, machine operator.....2 guys to put the sign in...one to tighten the bolts.......and a supervisor....... 3 trucks a piece of heavy machinery and 5 guys.... to replace a stop sign.

Anywho.... yes.... taxpayer money for their salary..... but you are employing someone and they spend that money in their community.

[corny]

Is it that you just hate America or you just want some more freebies? Obama has done nothing for this Country, during his Presidency or before.... Romney has been a contributing citizen, a successful Governor and a very successful businessman that believes in what the original USofA stands for. At least he has a plan. What does obama have for a plan, heck he can't even put a budget together, for any of his years as POTUS. Pitiful, pitiful lil' O. Guess all that's Bush's fault too!

And, ole nutty, you said you could provide reasons for Obama, what happened... where is it?

What exactly is Romneys plan...... Ive been searching for it desperately and still cant find it.

He actually wasnt a very successful governor...... 4 percent of the population of mass packed up and left while he was governor......lol I believe unemployment actually increased.......the tax burden on the people was shifted from state taxes to county and city taxes......and he also increased state taxes in the way of raising state fees....and inventing new "fees" for the public to have to pay.

smoke.....and mirrors....

Oh...and he hit the federal government up for every dime he could squeeze out of them.

Again..... with his track record of shifting burdens down the ladder and of using federal funds ...... where is he gonna get the money when he is trying to straighten out the federal government.

Me and you... thats who.....

Romney can do no worse than obama.....but lets not make this man out to be someone who is actually going to come into office and fix anything.. it will be the same old smoke and mirrors....blame the predecessor...... pass the burden onto someone else.

[corny]

Wow, you can change text color too....

[corny]

T[EST

[Six]

Obama has had a positive job growth.


Dow When Bush took office 1/20/2001=10,588 when he left, 1/19/2008=8000

Obama 1/20/2009=8077 last week 13,107

Go figure!

Look, a liberal trying to "do math". Kinda reminds of those Russian Circus bears that balance on beach balls.

Its entertaining sure but still just a bit sad.

You see Obama has LOST the same amount of jobs he's supposedly gained so its a net wash.

You libz only go as deep as your ideology will let you when it comes to honest introspection and research.

You leave out the millions who have left the work force alltogether.

Citing Capt DumbSh*#s accomplishments means your either leaving out pertinant information or lying through your teeth.

Its why your party is going to get wiped out. From the Health Care Vote to the Black Congressmen lying about the TeaPartiers spitting on them to the Bengazzi cover-up.

You represent a 4 year descent into mediocrite and dishonesty.

Lies about your accomplishments are the best you have to offer and ehats even more alarming is some of you are so brain washed you actually beleive the numbers.

[energy star]

Six you still say nothing. Why post? Why so long to reply? Did you have to go listen to some Rush tapes. Those dow numbers must have you tapping your keyboard looking for blogs

I guess you agree...BUSH LOST JOBS, BUT LETS NOT LOOK AT THAT

[coolwhip]

Well said six!

energy star is another loony lib (Jane)....you can tell by the redundant posting.:whistle:

[energy star]

Redundant? You, post after post have said nothing.

[AStudent]

Well of course it's been a rough four years, we just had one of the biggest recessions in our history.....but the economy is all the presidents fault. Every bit of it.

I'm better off than I was four years ago....maybe not by a huge margin...but at least I'm not thinking the country has seen its last days.

That's what many of us were thinking just four short years ago...but people have slept since then and can't seem to remember.

[BNK Services]

I am not rich by economic standards and probably never will be. Having said that it scares the h*!! out of me when they start talking about taxing the rich in that when they can't get enough out of those that make over $250k they will lower the level. When they still can't get enough they will lower it again. At some point they are below my level.

Do the tax codes need to be revised, YES. Should the "rich" pay more in taxes than others, yes in $, no in %. Fill in the loopholes, cut spending, and we will have a real surplus.

As long as I believe the playing field is level, if someone makes more money than I, good for them, I should have worked harder.

I a co-owner in a small business. If we continue to grow we will hit this not so magic number. This is scary.

[energy star]

He didn't...he is a liar mouth.

Does your mom wear combat boots, time warp back to middle school with that retort.
Better hit that google key on your computer

[Six]

Six you still say nothing. Why post? Why so long to reply? Did you have to go listen to some Rush tapes. Those dow numbers must have you tapping your keyboard looking for blogs

I guess you agree...BUSH LOST JOBS, BUT LETS NOT LOOK AT THAT

Sorry enrgstr I unlike your average liberal have a life and more important things to do then listen to your nonsense.

You dont have the basal cognitive abillity to keep up with my post or the reading comprehension to understand them.

So of course you dont "get" my post.

You're a Obama suppporter. Nuff said.

[energy star]

Yes as I suspected, thats how you win all your races. You bow out.

[energy star]

You have no ability

[energy star]

Learn how to spell ability

[jmac00]

Redundant? You, post after post have said nothing.

whats the big deal, you and NObama have said nothing useful, you have not explained why your voting FOR the village idiot. You just keep yapping about everyone voting against it ( I mean him )

actually, I don't think you can give a logical reason to vote for the village idiot? other than it was Bush's fault.

[Six]

Lol......learn how to abillity ?

Please keep posting.

[energy star]

No problem. I intend to. Maybe you better read a bit more.

[jmac00]

Lol......learn how to abillity ?

Please keep posting.

Glad im not the only one that was confused by that.

Energy Star = only not to bright :grin2::grin2:

[energy star]

Training veterans is not useful?
Talking about womens rights?
Pre-existing conditions? (health care)

How about those three? need more? What you got?

[energy star]

Yes you two would be confused by that.

[energy star]

Lol......learn how to "SPELL" abillity ?

Please keep posting.

Way to go, Ace.

[energy star]

Training veterans is not useful?
Talking about womens rights?
Pre-existing conditions? (health care)

How about those three? need more? What you got?


jmac....I guess you're still typing

[netsalt]

What I don't understand is how someone can cast a vote for a candidate who holds no position for more than a few days, will not share his great plan for the financial rescue of this country and the few things he does propose don't appear to be mathematically possible. :angel:

I will stick with the guy who has a plan.

[AStudent]

What I don't understand is how someone can cast a vote for a candidate who holds no position for more than a few days, will not share his great plan for the financial rescue of this country and the few things he does propose don't appear to be mathematically possible. :angel:

I will stick with the guy who has a plan.

Haven't you heard? Anyone is better than Barack Obama....anyone.

[energy star]

::DD:

[kamersoutdoor]

What I don't understand is how someone can cast a vote for a candidate who holds no position for more than a few days, will not share his great plan for the financial rescue of this country and the few things he does propose don't appear to be mathematically possible. :angel:

I will stick with the guy who has a plan.

A plan to bankrupt?
I'm confused!
What's Barry's plan again. Not what he's saying, but what he's doing?
Couple more trillion?

sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note

[biodieselman]

If the OP's video isn't enough... here's my two cents.




Tyrone Woods and Greg Doherty were authentic American heroes. Both former Navy Seals, they fought to the last in defense of the Benghazi consulate, manning a machine gun at the CIA annex. Despite three separate orders telling them not to do so, Woods and Doherty went to the consulate after the attack began, and saved the lives of 20 embassy personnel, bringing them to the CIA annex. They defended the CIA annex, holding it while the 20 people they rescued were evacuated. They were in constant contact with higher-ups at the CIA, requesting military aid. They fought heroically for six hours and twenty minutes against an estimated 200 heavily armed attackers from the time of the beginning of the attack on the consulate, killing an estimated sixty of their foes.

They were both killed by a mortar round at the six-hour and twenty-minute mark. General David Petraeus, head of the CIA, has denied that it was the CIA that vetoed an attempted military rescue of Woods and Doherty. ...

More than six hours after terrorists attacked our consulate, former Navy SEALs manned a blood-soaked machine gun to defend U.S. territory. Meanwhile Apache helicopters sat on the ground in Italy.

At 4 a.m. local time on Sept. 11 — six hours and 20 minutes after the initial attack began — former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed at the CIA annex not far from the consulate by a mortar shell. (http://the-american-catholic.com/2012/10/27/who-left-american-heroes-tyrone-woods-and-greg-doherty-to-die/) The machine gun they were firing was encrusted with blood, an indication they continued to fight after being wounded.

During that eternity, Woods and Doherty might have wondered between gunfire and explosions where the military, with bases strewn across Europe, was. U.S. forces were indeed being moved like chess pieces as the attack unfolded, but none came to their aid because no one gave the order.

President Obama, perhaps preoccupied with his upcoming Las Vegas fundraiser, ...

The question is: Why not?


I didn't find a citation but please allow me to summarize.

Tyrone Woods and Greg Doherty are true American heroes in every sense of the meaning. They were not part of Stevens security detail; they happened to be in Benghazi working for the CIA locating missing surface-to-air missiles. They were one mile away when they heard the automatic weapon fire & mortar explosions. They contacted their superior offices, asking for permission to render assistance & were told to stand down. As the fight continued they requested a second time for authorization & were denied a second time. They risked their entire military careers & ignored direct orders. Manning a machine gun from a roof top, our brave heroes managed against all odds & held off 200 Islamic terrorist while leading 20 embassy personal to safety before being killed by a mortar explosion.

They died because they revealed their location on the roof top. Any Special Ops man knows that when they 'paint' a target using a laser, it's not a Staples Office Supply laser. It's an extremely bright laser. Ask any Special Ops man, you don't 'paint' a target unless you know there are assets circling overhead. We know there were at least two Predators overhead, most likely armed with missiles. There is speculation that Puff-the-Magic-Dragon was overhead. You only reveal your position at the last minute & only if you know there are assets overhead to see the 'painted' target. You can buy night vision cell phones these days & their location would have been easily seen with readily available technology.

Two brave American soldiers willing ran into harm's way, ready to fulfill their creed, "Leave NO Man Behind". They did their duty & saved as many lives as humanly possible. But when it came to their moment of need, Obama let them hang.

I ask Independents & the undecided, how can you vote for Obama with the blood of Tyrone Woods and Greg Doherty on his hands?

Is this why Obama isn't touting the heroic tale of two of America's best?


http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w423/obumble/obumble651.jpg

[jmac00]

jmac....I guess you're still typing

so I guess your reading comprehension isn't to bright either. I all ready posted my reasons to vote for Romney, but like most liberal zombies your to lazy to go back and read the post from the beginning. must come from waiting patiently in the welfare line

You'd rather take the liberal (lazy) path and jump in the conversation without reading from the beginning. I bet you didn't watch the video either.

Then, instead of actually answering a question put directly to you, you respond with emoticon's or three word sentences that is pure dribble.

Your pathetic attempt at defending your position is tragically laughable. Im actually starting to feel sorry for you.

You don't have a clue how bad NObama is messing up your life.

You don't have a clue about foreign policy

Your obviously clueless about our own economy

You try to cover up all those facts with stupid remarks that have no meaning.

here let me help you out with a response to my post --------> ::DD: there I answered for you, no need to strain yourself

[energy star]

You still are not saying anything.

[energy star]

How do you stand on those three questions? Answer them.

[jmac00]

I find it odd that NObama wants to "tax the rich" when he's at a $50,000 per plate Las Vegas fund raiser

Talk about a hypocrite :gah:

[jmac00]

You still are not saying anything.

I win, done deal

[energy star]

Bet you tell yourself that a lot.

[corny]

If the OP's video isn't enough... here's my two cents.





I didn't find a citation but please allow me to summarize.

Tyrone Woods and Greg Doherty are true American heroes in every sense of the meaning. They were not part of Stevens security detail; they happened to be in Benghazi working for the CIA locating missing surface-to-air missiles. They were one mile away when they heard the automatic weapon fire & mortar explosions. They contacted their superior offices, asking for permission to render assistance & were told to stand down. As the fight continued they requested a second time for authorization & were denied a second time. They risked their entire military careers & ignored direct orders. Manning a machine gun from a roof top, our brave heroes managed against all odds & held off 200 Islamic terrorist while leading 20 embassy personal to safety before being killed by a mortar explosion.

They died because they revealed their location on the roof top. Any Special Ops man knows that when they 'paint' a target using a laser, it's not a Staples Office Supply laser. It's an extremely bright laser. Ask any Special Ops man, you don't 'paint' a target unless you know there are assets circling overhead. We know there were at least two Predators overhead, most likely armed with missiles. There is speculation that Puff-the-Magic-Dragon was overhead. You only reveal your position at the last minute & only if you know there are assets overhead to see the 'painted' target. You can buy night vision cell phones these days & their location would have been easily seen with readily available technology.

Two brave American soldiers willing ran into harm's way, ready to fulfill their creed, "Leave NO Man Behind". They did their duty & saved as many lives as humanly possible. But when it came to their moment of need, Obama let them hang.

I ask Independents & the undecided, how can you vote for Obama with the blood of Tyrone Woods and Greg Doherty on his hands?

Is this why Obama isn't touting the heroic tale of two of America's best?


http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w423/obumble/obumble651.jpg

Tyrone and Glen were part of the security detail. They were not a mile away at some undisclosed location in contact with their superiors being ordered to stand down.

They died near the gate of the second compound in a shootout with attacking forces. Not on top of the building that was hit by mortars.

People survived that attack you know... we have eyewitnesses to the whole thing. We dont need peyote induced pipe dreams from someone like you to make up the event for us.

Why do people like you feel the need to dishonor these men and thier actions by inventing stories like the above just because you dont like the president.

Isnt it enough that mistakes were made....that peoples lives were lost.....

Why do you have to lie about the hole thing ???

Do you think Greg and Tyrone would appreciated you using them as a tool for your hate......

You disgust me......and Id say if Tyrone and Glen were able to that they would beat the living daylights out of you.

You are another reason why we are going to have to put up with 4 more years of bams...... you are so afraid that the truth of what obama has done or not done....that his record is not enough to get him tossed out of office that you must make up stories...dishonor men that you couldnt hold a candle to.... in order to try and convince people to vote for romney......

But what happens is people see so many lies and half truths and so many rediculous accusations that they then connect these to romney...and are then put off by romney instead of just being put off by the low lifes who come up with all this bs.

My god you people are sick...

[energy star]

Obama is sooooo much better than Romney

[ControlsInMT]

I find this just "par for the course" with all of you Obama supporters. Several on here, including myself, have stated why they are supporting Romney. When you are asked you avoid answering. I have a teenager like that. Guess we know what mentality level you are at.

Oh, and Roe v Wade....Roe has changed her postion now so what does that mean?

The majority of us are not telling a woman what she can do with her body, we are simply stating tax dollars should not be used to support her choices. I don't care if it's birth control or a tattoo, tax dollars should not be used.

The other point you all seem to miss is the majority agree the health care system needed to be addressed. The problem we see is the added crap thrown in Obamacare and the infamous line "we have to pass it to see what's in it". Really? That gets your vote of confidence?

Do I agree with everything Romney does, nope. Is there anyone I agree with everything on, nope. Obama has done nothing good for this country. All I have seen is him blame Bush when things go wrong and take credit when things go right (which the only thing I can remember is killing Osama). Speaking of that, if the economy is Bush's fault shouldn't the credit for getting Osama go to him as well?

Hey Net, I gave you my reasons and you continue to dodge. Are you going to man up or continue to hide?

Hey Energy, what exactly is Obama's plan? I've looked and can't seem to find it. And the deficeit being Bush's? Really? How many trillion has Obama added? More than any other president. But I guess that's Bush's fault as well.

[coolwhip]

Obama has added twice what Bush did, and more than all previous presidents combined.

[coolwhip]

Romney as Govenor


* Balanced the budget in four years after inheriting a $300 million deficit, and did so without raising the income tax or the sales tax.
* Held state spending to virtually zero real growth (1.1% or 2.2% AFI, depending on whose numbers you trust--but either way, that's very close to zero growth).
* Vetoed over 200 spending bills (and vetoed over 800 bills total).
* Cut property taxes for seniors.
* Pushed through a bill that refunded $275 million in capital gains taxes back to the taxpayers who had paid them.
* Increased the state's reserve fund.
* Improved the state's bond rating.
* Lowered the state's overall tax-burden ranking from 13th to 17th.
* Consolidated the social service and public health bureaucracy.
* Restructured the Metropolitan District Commission and even eliminated half of the executive branch’s press positions.
* Used his emergency fiscal powers to make $425 million worth of cuts in 2006 and cut local earmarks and prevented the legislature from taking money from the state’s reserve fund.
* Made it easier to get gun permits (and earned high marks from the NRA and the Gun Owners Action League for doing so).
* Vetoed in-state tuition for illegal aliens.
* Blocked the legislature from allowing illegal aliens to get driver's licenses.
* Vetoed over-the-counter access to the morning-after pill.
* Vetoed embryonic stem-cell research.
* Approved two liquefied natural gas delivery terminals for eventual construction of the MA coast.
* Blocked the state from joining a regional cap-and-trade scheme.
* Lowered the state's unemployment rate to below the national average.
* Improved the state’s job-creation performance from 50th to 47th.
* Pushed for and funded abstinence education.
* Repeatedly tried to cut the state income tax.
* Fought to prevent private hospitals from being forced to provide emergency contraception.
* Vetoed a bill that would have changed the definition of when life begins.
* Harshly condemned the state supreme court's ruling that said the state constitution required equal marriage rights for gays, tried to get a gay marriage ban on the ballot, and invoked an obscure state law to prevent out-of-state gay couples from getting Massachusetts marriage licenses.
* Managed to get 9 conservative Republicans confirmed as judges, even though the state council that had to approve all judicial nominations was dominated by Democrats, and all of his judicial nominees, including those who were Democrats, were judges who were known to be tough on crime.
* Pushed a bill through the legislature that streamlined the state’s cumbersome permitting process for new businesses.
* Made the state pension fund more fiscally viable by forcing new state workers to contribute 65% more toward their health insurance than existing state workers were contributing (then-current state employees paid 15% of their health insurance costs--Romney increased the contribution to 25% for new state employees).
* Vetoed a bill that limited the ability of out-of-state wineries to ship directly to Massachusetts consumers.
* Vetoed an increase in the state's minimum wage.
* Expanded charter schools.
* Supported putting a cap on personal injury claims in automobile-related cases and tried to overhaul Massachusetts’ excessive medical malpractice system (blocked by the legislature).
* Proposed reforming the state pension fund from a defined benefit system to a defined contribution system (blocked by the legislature).
* Pushed to revamp the Pacheco Law, a union-backed measure that made it nearly impossible to privatize or outsource state services (blocked by the legislature).
* Pushed to deregulate Massachusetts’ auto insurance industry in order to reduce car insurance rates jacked up by the state's draconian mandates (blocked by the legislature).
* Proposed the privatization of the University of Massachusetts medical school.
* Advocated the elimination of civil service protection for all municipal workers except police and firefighters and the exemption of low-cost public construction jobs from the state’s wage law.
* Proposed easing long-standing regulations on wetlands usage.
* Proposed easing pricing regulations on Massachusetts retailers.

[netsalt]

I find this just "par for the course" with all of you Obama supporters. Several on here, including myself, have stated why they are supporting Romney. When you are asked you avoid answering. I have a teenager like that. Guess we know what mentality level you are at.

Oh, and Roe v Wade....Roe has changed her postion now so what does that mean?

The majority of us are not telling a woman what she can do with her body, we are simply stating tax dollars should not be used to support her choices. I don't care if it's birth control or a tattoo, tax dollars should not be used.

The other point you all seem to miss is the majority agree the health care system needed to be addressed. The problem we see is the added crap thrown in Obamacare and the infamous line "we have to pass it to see what's in it". Really? That gets your vote of confidence?

Do I agree with everything Romney does, nope. Is there anyone I agree with everything on, nope. Obama has done nothing good for this country. All I have seen is him blame Bush when things go wrong and take credit when things go right (which the only thing I can remember is killing Osama). Speaking of that, if the economy is Bush's fault shouldn't the credit for getting Osama go to him as well?

Hey Net, I gave you my reasons and you continue to dodge. Are you going to man up or continue to hide?

Hey Energy, what exactly is Obama's plan? I've looked and can't seem to find it. And the deficeit being Bush's? Really? How many trillion has Obama added? More than any other president. But I guess that's Bush's fault as well.

Just to clarify.
Romney has no plan for health care (emergency room?) Obama does
Romney didn't want us out of Afghanistan. Obama has set a date.
Romney's party said Osama wasn't worth the effort. Obama obtained justice.
Romney didn't think we should get out of Iraq. Obama got us out.
Romney said to hell with Detroit. Obama got the auto industry back on track.
Romney/Ryan want to limit womens rights. Obama signed the Lilly Ledbetter act.
Romney wants to get tough on China, while sending jobs there. Obama has already stepped in to protect American industries.
Romney has no use for 47% of this country. Obama wants everyone to have a shot and also pay their fair share.
Romney's tax plan just doesn't add up. Obama didn't sign any pledges to third party radicals like Grover, his plan is a balanced mix of tax increases and budget cuts.


I don't intend to sway anyone in their beliefs just present the facts, these facts will no doubt not fit in with the narrative coming from the right so conservatives will discard them and go on living in their bubble listening to the right wing echo chamber of Fox, Limballs, Hannity et al. If Romney wins, I will just say the same thing when Bush the Lessor was reelected - Hope you get what you voted for, God be with us all.

[netsalt]

Romney as Govenor


* Balanced the budget in four years after inheriting a $300 million deficit, and did so without raising the income tax or the sales tax.
* Held state spending to virtually zero real growth (1.1% or 2.2% AFI, depending on whose numbers you trust--but either way, that's very close to zero growth).
* Vetoed over 200 spending bills (and vetoed over 800 bills total).
* Cut property taxes for seniors.
* Pushed through a bill that refunded $275 million in capital gains taxes back to the taxpayers who had paid them.
* Increased the state's reserve fund.
* Improved the state's bond rating.
* Lowered the state's overall tax-burden ranking from 13th to 17th.
* Consolidated the social service and public health bureaucracy.
* Restructured the Metropolitan District Commission and even eliminated half of the executive branch’s press positions.
* Used his emergency fiscal powers to make $425 million worth of cuts in 2006 and cut local earmarks and prevented the legislature from taking money from the state’s reserve fund.
* Made it easier to get gun permits (and earned high marks from the NRA and the Gun Owners Action League for doing so).
* Vetoed in-state tuition for illegal aliens.
* Blocked the legislature from allowing illegal aliens to get driver's licenses.
* Vetoed over-the-counter access to the morning-after pill.
* Vetoed embryonic stem-cell research.
* Approved two liquefied natural gas delivery terminals for eventual construction of the MA coast.
* Blocked the state from joining a regional cap-and-trade scheme.
* Lowered the state's unemployment rate to below the national average.
* Improved the state’s job-creation performance from 50th to 47th.
* Pushed for and funded abstinence education.
* Repeatedly tried to cut the state income tax.
* Fought to prevent private hospitals from being forced to provide emergency contraception.
* Vetoed a bill that would have changed the definition of when life begins.
* Harshly condemned the state supreme court's ruling that said the state constitution required equal marriage rights for gays, tried to get a gay marriage ban on the ballot, and invoked an obscure state law to prevent out-of-state gay couples from getting Massachusetts marriage licenses.
* Managed to get 9 conservative Republicans confirmed as judges, even though the state council that had to approve all judicial nominations was dominated by Democrats, and all of his judicial nominees, including those who were Democrats, were judges who were known to be tough on crime.
* Pushed a bill through the legislature that streamlined the state’s cumbersome permitting process for new businesses.
* Made the state pension fund more fiscally viable by forcing new state workers to contribute 65% more toward their health insurance than existing state workers were contributing (then-current state employees paid 15% of their health insurance costs--Romney increased the contribution to 25% for new state employees).
* Vetoed a bill that limited the ability of out-of-state wineries to ship directly to Massachusetts consumers.
* Vetoed an increase in the state's minimum wage.
* Expanded charter schools.
* Supported putting a cap on personal injury claims in automobile-related cases and tried to overhaul Massachusetts’ excessive medical malpractice system (blocked by the legislature).
* Proposed reforming the state pension fund from a defined benefit system to a defined contribution system (blocked by the legislature).
* Pushed to revamp the Pacheco Law, a union-backed measure that made it nearly impossible to privatize or outsource state services (blocked by the legislature).
* Pushed to deregulate Massachusetts’ auto insurance industry in order to reduce car insurance rates jacked up by the state's draconian mandates (blocked by the legislature).
* Proposed the privatization of the University of Massachusetts medical school.
* Advocated the elimination of civil service protection for all municipal workers except police and firefighters and the exemption of low-cost public construction jobs from the state’s wage law.
* Proposed easing long-standing regulations on wetlands usage.
* Proposed easing pricing regulations on Massachusetts retailers.

Then there is the truth by the people of Massachusetts. Ever wonder why he was a one term governor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlnaYOv0DZY&noredirect=1


(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlnaYOv0DZY&noredirect=1)

[ControlsInMT]

Just to clarify.
Romney has no plan for health care (emergency room?) Obama does
Romney didn't want us out of Afghanistan. Obama has set a date.
Romney's party said Osama wasn't worth the effort. Obama obtained justice.
Romney didn't think we should get out of Iraq. Obama got us out.
Romney said to hell with Detroit. Obama got the auto industry back on track.
Romney/Ryan want to limit womens rights. Obama signed the Lilly Ledbetter act.
Romney wants to get tough on China, while sending jobs there. Obama has already stepped in to protect American industries.
Romney has no use for 47% of this country. Obama wants everyone to have a shot and also pay their fair share.
Romney's tax plan just doesn't add up. Obama didn't sign any pledges to third party radicals like Grover, his plan is a balanced mix of tax increases and budget cuts.


I don't intend to sway anyone in their beliefs just present the facts, these facts will no doubt not fit in with the narrative coming from the right so conservatives will discard them and go on living in their bubble listening to the right wing echo chamber of Fox, Limballs, Hannity et al. If Romney wins, I will just say the same thing when Bush the Lessor was reelected - Hope you get what you voted for, God be with us all.

Finally an answer albeit fairly sketchy. Funny I found basically you identical post on a leftwing website. Hmmmm....who has a problem thinking for themselves?

For the record, I don't listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage. I do occasionally watch Fox because I like to see all of the story not just leftwing propaganda.

[netsalt]

I guess other people feel the same way, just makes sense, no copy and paste.

[ControlsInMT]

Just funny what left wing people are willing to consider facts, but yet want to scream and yell when a right wing might quote Fox....:whistle:

[corny]

Yes, Romney did balance the budget in mass.... Romney got away with not having to raise taxes by increasing fees and adding new fees to the already long list of government fees.... Romney took as much money as he could get from the federal government and bragged about it. Romney shifted a lot of the federal governments burden...and expenditures down to the county and town level.

4 percent of the population got up and left mass while he was governor.....

Lol....

He actually FAILED at fixing mass.......

smoke mirrors......

Mass voters...including many mass republican voters.... are voting for Obama....... doesnt that strike you as odd........lol

[netsalt]

Just funny what left wing people are willing to consider facts, but yet want to scream and yell when a right wing might quote Fox....:whistle:

Why?

In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States.

That's just for starters.

[ControlsInMT]

We get it, liberals are enraged that they no longer have 100% control of how the news is reported. You had it that way from Walter Cronkite until Fox emerged, liberals think its an entitlement to have 100% biased liberal news reporting.

What Fox does that liberal stations won't do, they have both liberals and conservatives reporting news. Although Fox has many more cons than libs, they allow 2 points of view to be aired. Your stations allow close to zero dissenting views. (copied from another site but sums it up quite nicely).

So now why understand Obama's political views. He can continue to distort Benghazi and everything else because there is no rule against it. Too bad Clinton didn't have this to use during his "Cigar times".

[ControlsInMT]

www.foxbghsuit.com/2D01-529.pdf

Here's the link to the suit incase you actually would take the time to read the fact. I know, might be too much to expect.

[netsalt]

No you misunderstand, with that court ruling journalism died. It is not a left wing or right wing thing it is just that Faux News has been VERY successful at what they do - produce a narrative and stick to it. Can't argue with success they have the ratings, just goes to show you really can sell refrigerators to Eskimos!

[ControlsInMT]

No you misunderstand, with that court ruling journalism died. It is not a left wing or right wing thing it is just that Faux News has been VERY successful at what they do - produce a narrative and stick to it. Can't argue with success they have the ratings, just goes to show you really can sell refrigerators to Eskimos!

::DD:

Keep ignoring the facts of the case! I know, you didn't read it....what a surprise!:oops:

[netsalt]

I read it years ago, read your version and found:

The FCC has never published its news distortion policy as a regulation
with definitive elements and defenses. Instead, the FCC has developed the policy
through the adjudicatory process in decisions resolving challenges to broadcasters’
licenses. The policy’s roots can be traced to 1949 when the FCC first expressed its
concern regarding deceptive news in very general terms stating that “[a] licensee would
be abusing his position as a public trustee of these important means of mass
communications were he to withhold from expression over his facilities relevant news of
facts concerning a controversy or to slant or distort the news."

In a series of opinions issued in licensing proceedings between 1969 and 1973, the FCC stated that when considering the status of a broadcaster’s license, it would take into consideration
proven instances of “deliberate news distortion,” also called “intentional falsification of the news” or “rigging or slanting the news.”

And you of course know that Faux News does not need a BROADCAST license since they are on cable and exempt.

[ControlsInMT]

Not true. Fox is on the "air" here same as your beloved liberal networks. Local Fox channel carries most of their news shows including the morning segment. Guess that means you are wrong....again.

[glennac]

I think we all now why the die hard Obama supporters back him. That is there best way to get America to become a Marxist soicalist state. That is it in a nut shell so to speak there nut****. LOL:grin2:. Thank you, thank you very much

[netsalt]

Not true. Fox is on the "air" here same as your beloved liberal networks. Local Fox channel carries most of their news shows including the morning segment. Guess that means you are wrong....again.

Two different entities. For example Disney owns ABC and ESPN networks, they also own individual broadcast stations (called Owned and Operated) the net work is not bound to the same FCC rules as the O&O's since they do not broadcast over the air. Individual broadcast stations must periodically renew their license when their "good character" is reviewed.

[netsalt]

I think we all now why the die hard Obama supporters back him. That is there best way to get America to become a Marxist soicalist state. That is it in a nut shell so to speak there nut****. LOL:grin2:. Thank you, thank you very much

That was supposed to be a secret, how did you find out? I've got Mao in hiding if you must know (he's not really dead, just sleeping) and we plan on trotting him out in 2013 to rule the world. HA HA HA HA HA HA!

[ControlsInMT]

Well with all of the liberal media websites calling for the FCC to pull their license, I'm guessing that means they are licensed.

[netsalt]

Well with all of the liberal media websites calling for the FCC to pull their license, I'm guessing that means they are licensed.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Liberal and conservative websites call out for all kinds of crazy things - doesn't mean they have a leg to stand on, most are throwing sh*t against the wall just to see what sticks.

[Six]

Two different entities. For example Disney owns ABC and ESPN networks, they also own individual broadcast stations (called Owned and Operated) the net work is not bound to the same FCC rules as the O&O's since they do not broadcast over the air. Individual broadcast stations must periodically renew their license when their "good character" is reviewed.

Net what difference does it make who's "distorting " what ?

if both sides are complicit and you suspect Fox News is one of them then turn to your version of " fair and balanced" and quit *****en.

Truth is its not Fox's fault Obama is such a huge failure.

And it wasn't Fox who destroyed the objective aspect of journalism as ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC continue to ignore the Bengazi Cover up AND the Fast and Furious Gun walking scandal.

Innocent people died Net but why does it take a Republican in office for the "objective" media to give a rats ass about the death of people, soldiers, border agents and ambassadors ?

[ControlsInMT]

Come on Six! Don't you know it's okay for the liberal media, but Fox, like conservatives are held to a higher standard. :cheers:

[coolwhip]

This is why liberalism is a disease.

[netsalt]

Net what difference does it make who's "distorting " what ?

if both sides are complicit and you suspect Fox News is one of them then turn to your version of " fair and balanced" and quit *****en.

Truth is its not Fox's fault Obama is such a huge failure.

And it wasn't Fox who destroyed the objective aspect of journalism as ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC continue to ignore the Bengazi Cover up AND the Fast and Furious Gun walking scandal.

Innocent people died Net but why does it take a Republican in office for the "objective" media to give a rats ass about the death of people, soldiers, border agents and ambassadors ?

It doesn't matter if an R or a D is in the office of president. It's about the money and the "show". We would never have gone to Iraq if the media was any good at their job and kept it objective. So just keep watching FOX and swearing its "Fair and Balanced" (trademarked so don't try to steal it!)

[netsalt]

This is why liberalism is a disease.

This is why conservatism is a curse.:putergreet:

[coolwhip]

You are a curse on this site. Why are you always here so much anyway? dont you work?....thats right, liberals don't like to work.

[ControlsInMT]

Well I'm happy to be cursed and not diseased! :angel:

[netsalt]

You are a curse on this site. Why are you always here so much anyway? dont you work?....thats right, liberals don't like to work.

No, I work, I post from my Obamaphone. I could ask you the same question, but I am above that.

[coolwhip]

You may very well be a welfare breeder with an obama phone.

I frequent this site quite a bit, but you are always here like a plague trolling and being a sheit stirrer.

Go watch your Rachael Maddow dyke hour and take a break for a while.

[energy star]

You may very well be a welfare breeder with an obama phone.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/

[netsalt]

Just trying to educate, take what you want and leave the rest. Are you always in a bad mood or is it just that "time"?

[newoldtech]

You may very well be a welfare breeder with an obama phone.

I frequent this site quite a bit, but you are always here like a plague trolling and being a sheit stirrer.

Go watch your Rachael Maddow dyke hour and take a break for a while.

Thats a low blow. No one should have to watch Rachael maddow.
That is one ugly guy.

[coolwhip]

Thats a low blow. No one should have to watch Rachael maddow.
That is one ugly guy.

LMAO :D ....I knowz!

[coolwhip]

Just trying to educate, take what you want and leave the rest. Are you always in a bad mood or is it just that "time"?

Ya know what, you and your idiot talk would put Gandhi in a bad mood. You are so stupid in the things that you say on here, and to make things worse, you really believe in what you say.

You are the down fall of America, and it would be damn strait to say that folks like you would piss any one off of rational thought.

You suck, and I hope you take that to the grave.

That is all, carry on.:whistle:

In fact, there is a great cult classic movie that dedicates my sentiments to your ilk...its called "I spit on your grave" you should watch it some time.

[Six]

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/

Forget about the Obama phones.

Lets discuss green energy.

SOLYNDRA 500 million

FISKER 529 million

A123 159 million

Sun Power 1.6 Billion

First Solar 1.46 Billion

NEVADA GEO 100 Million

Shall I continue ? Should I add more examples of your Presidents incompetence ?

Should I continue to counter your talking points with hard evidence of your party's corruption ?

All that money could have helped a lot of people.

Now its sitting in someones bank account and of course in Obamas re-election fund.

[barbar]

Forget about the Obama phones.

Lets discuss green energy.

SOLYNDRA 500 million

FISKER 529 million

A123 159 million

Sun Power 1.6 Billion

First Solar 1.46 Billion

NEVADA GEO 100 Million

Shall I continue ? Should I add more examples of your Presidents incompetence ?

Should I continue to counter your talking points with hard evidence of your party's corruption ?

All that money could have helped a lot of people.

Now its sitting in someones bank account and of course in Obamas re-election fund.

I am not being argumentative here, more inquisitive.

Did all of the above companies, employ US people, if so would these same people if not employed be on some form of benefit, and while they were being employed, would these people not being paying taxes on their earnings.
Also I have to presume that some subsidized equipment was installed into the market place, so some of the US citizens will be getting some form of benefit.
Therefore the actual cost would be considerable less than what was directly stated.

Did they fail because of massive skimming at the top, or the technology was just sheit, or low acceptance in the market place for such technologies?

[energy star]

Yeah Six go ahead, shoot your mouth off all you want. All those companies total 3 to 5% of all monies invested in green energy. Your just looking at the ones that failed. And to Romney's standards, that is an overall success when considered all monies invested in green energy, in-fact it's better than Romney's success rate in his investments.

Why not clear the air about Jeep? Your guy says we are moving production to China? He is lying! Every media outlet, even Chrysler has called him out....but the ADS KEEP RUNNING. I guess you think thats OK? How does it feel to have the guy you want to vote for, look you in the face and lie? What does he REALLY think of you?

[energy star]

Should I add more examples of your Presidents incompetence ?

Should I continue to counter your talking points with hard evidence of your party's corruption ?

Yes. Let it rip. You handled Obama phone topic as you generally do...........you said ZERO ABOUT IT.

[Six]

LOL Energy Star. I knew you would bite.

I only listed just a few. The list continues but I just wanted to see you attempt to justify massive theft on a Federal level.

Obama chose to suspend campaigning over a storm he had no control over but contunued to campaign immediately after the Bengazi debacle.

And he had the power to call in reinforcments. He had some control.

Why ?

And I guess I should continue the list so you can adjust your math and try and justify it away.

[energy star]

Now you're a mind reader...oh, and a _________

[Six]

Oh but youv'e got the Obama phone thing to rest your laurels on.

LOL !

Yea thats a great tactic there. Ignore the incompetence and crime and side step the real issues.

[energy star]

Theft at a massive level......hmmmmmmm.....Halliburton........

[Six]

Im not a mind reader I just know how your average liberal thinks.

Your average liberal is a simpleton. A mental midget.

Take a syphylitic chimpanzee after a frontal labotomy and your close to the mental capacity of your average libersl.

They're not hard to figure out. You know what Im saying ?

[tunnel_rat]

Anybody "still ""thinking"" of voting for Obama".....clearly isn't.

[barbar]

Im not a mind reader I just know how your average liberal thinks.

Your average liberal is a simpleton. A mental midget.

Take a syphylitic chimpanzee after a frontal labotomy and your close to the mental capacity of your average libersl.

They're not hard to figure out. You know what Im saying ?

So you are happy being a liberal then?

[tunnel_rat]

Don't think I've ever seen a "happy" Lib. They are always p.o'ed about something. Wringing their hands and trying to impose their lifestyle on the rest of us. They don't know how to just live their life happily, and if they see someone having a good time enjoying their life, something must be wrong that a good lib. knows how to take care of.

[Six]

Theft at a massive level......hmmmmmmm.....Halliburton........

HALIBURTON ??!!! Hahahahaaaa...!!

Your so easy ES. You DO realize Halliburtons first "no bid " Contract was given to them by Bill Clinton right ?

Yep during his Kosovo redirect . They even bid high initially and still got the contract.

Before getting your you know what handed to you by someone like me do a little research first.

Look up LOGCAP....


So you are happy being a liberal then?

BABAR you can do better than that, I know you can.

I mean offering up sophmoric rebuts without a clear counter argument is beneath you usually.

[energy star]

Someone like you? A legend in your own mind. Your poor wife, listening to your BS all day.

[kamersoutdoor]

HALIBURTON ??!!! Hahahahaaaa...!!

Your so easy ES. You DO realize Halliburtons first "no bid " Contract was given to them by Bill Clinton right ?

Yep during his Kosovo redirect . They even bid high initially and still got the contract.

Before getting your you know what handed to you by someone like me do a little research first.

Look up LOGCAP....



BABAR you can do better than that, I know you can.

I mean offering up sophmoric rebuts without a clear counter argument is beneath you usually.

I'm enjoying this!
I love the side stepping from ES
I have a FB duel going on with a libby acquaintance. rhetoric puked up from obama.com is the best they come up with

sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note

[netsalt]

Why are all the conservatives here so angry? Seems to be a trend among the right wingers, stomp around pissed off and call people names that disagree with you. I used to work for a guy like that - his business failed due to his incompetence. Probably for the best though because he really was clueless.

[coolwhip]

Its not that we are angry, more like patriotic because we love our country and are tired of seeing it polluted with the likes of you.

You don't understand because of your blissful ignorance and distorted perception of what is true and what isn't. Someday when your mind develops, you will realize that liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face.

[Six]

Theft at a massive level......hmmmmmmm.....Halliburton........

ES feel free to counter any information Ive used to slap down the nutty libby talking points you so effortlessly espouse.

Instead of generic attacks against my person rebut my points with objective data.

Otherwise I will continually expose your idealogy and your positions as half baked and poorly thought out.

I have been attending political debate sites heavely loaded with nutty liberals for years.

Heavily loaded against the few Conservatives that post there on purpose.

Its fun. It's easy.

And I've managed to convert a few people away from the dark side.

I've got a buddy who's a master at shredding libbies on debate sites.

He'll ( IM ) me sometimes when he gets pounced on by 6 or 7 vulgar liberals in a debate forum to come in and help him round then up and dispose of them one by one.

Its sporting.

[netsalt]

You definition of patriotism obviously differs from mine, the views I express are for the best interests of ALL Americans in this great country, that sir is the true definition of patriotism. What you describe as patriotism is more akin to provincialism. As for the intellectual prowess of more liberal thinkers I believe the fact that they willing to consider varied solutions to problem speaks volumes. As for the comment about totalitarianism, history shows most totalitarian societies were more to the conservative or right wing than not. Fascism come to mind, super efficient government with a stranglehold on what people do in their private lives - a tea party wet dream.

[Six]

Net we care about the future of our country.

4 more years with the incompetent Obama could mean disaster for years to come.

The Democrats I know ( Southern Democrats ) hate the guy.

They believe hes destroyed the party for decades.

Turns out they're right. I have little qualms with a solid real Democrat.

This new democrat party has taken in the fringes and the nutters and pushed out the patriots who use to represent the blue collar worker.

[netsalt]

Net we care about the future of our country.

4 more years with the incompetent Obama could mean disaster for years to come.

The Democrats I know ( Southern Democrats ) hate the guy.

They believe hes destroyed the party for decades.

Turns out they're right. I have little qualms with a solid real Democrat.

This new democrat party has taken in the fringes and the nutters and pushed out the patriots who use to represent the blue collar worker.

Most people that can see things the way they are do not want to go back to the policies that destroyed the fabric of this country for 8 years. The more sensible Republicans I deal with are more to the middle of the road and are more responsive to discussion. But the GOP has been pulled way over to the right by the crazies who seem to have taken over the party. I live in the same block as the Republican town manager, he is a nice guy (I even voted for him) but he is afraid of what has become of his party because he stands for good government - period and can't understand what the fringe that has hijacked the Republican party is really up to.

[energy star]

You want me to sit down and type you an explanation about my political beliefs and justify them to you? The narcissistic approach you use.......I have converted a few. Who are you? I have been a member here since 2007 and have 1.6 posts per day. You have been here a lot less and have 11 per day. Do you work? Or do just watch fight club and Road house all day long? Eleven posts on just this site, I bet I could find five other sites you post on day in and day out. Just explain the Obama phone to me that was started way back when. You side stepped that one. Are you a birther to boot also? Go get some tips from your debate buddy. I'll stand here all day.

[Six]

Still nothing from you ES. Nothing from you except your very public exasperations of a fringe mentality.

Even the lefties at the political sites I like to frequent would consider you a light weight.

You wont spell out anything tangible or your core principles for fear of getting the superficial construct that is your identity chopped up and served back to you.

So you post talking points and expect us to take that as a legitmate argument for your position.

Sorry, the Conservatives here have brains. There are some sharp people here.

So dont get irritated if it doesn't seem like you're gaining traction posting plattitudes without verifiable data.

You're not, nor are you making a positive impression.

About the phones I could care les. Yes the parasites take advantage of our social safety net. So what ?

Its not our problem your lost.

[jmac00]

Theft at a massive level......hmmmmmmm.....Halliburton........

and there we have it............it was Bush's fault.

this just gets better and better:pop::couch:

[barbar]

Sorry Six, this lobotomized liberal thinker was deep (or not so) in thought, and could not give you the full attention that you thrive. You have used chimp analogy many times, as it is so descriptive, one must only presume that it is indeed a mirror image of oneself.

If one but himself into a corner, then one has to lash out at those who are free to roam, as you have boxed your self into this corner by remain conservative, us liberal minded are able to explore a wide range of options, which does not exclude some of your Conservative leanings. There is nothing greater than the freedom of thought.

There is lots of talk of your great country (and good on you for being proud), but what makes a great country "really", is its borders, or the wealth of the richest, or its heritage, "no" it is its people, but in modern terms, how this greatness or strength is seen is not how the strongest are treated but how we look after the weak. The greatness comes through social responsibility, some level of SOCIALISM, but this need not exclude other political, economical and security issues.

Going back to an earlier question I gave you, regarding the fail green companies, what do you think was the real cost to tax payer of the failed ventures!

[chaard]

If this huge increase in the wealth at the top end didn't occur there would be no need for changes in the tax code, we would all be in the money and able to afford to pay taxes.




Are you serious?! You're saying the rich steal from the rest of us?
Rich people get rich by taking risks and making investments. They make their money off real estate or the stock market.
If they didn't make money how would that make you any better off?
And if the rich didn't make money like they do, they wouldn't be paying millions in taxes.
So how would that alleviate your tax burden? Your taxes would sky rocket.

So tell me how is it that you would have more money if their were less rich people.

[AStudent]

What I really don't understand is that some of the most powerful people in America (CEOs of huge companies) are asking for a bipartisan decision be made so that something can be done to turn this country around....yet average Joe on HVAC talk refuses to work with another average Joe in the slightest bit.

It really goes to show the ignorance of some. We need to get our act together people.

[energy star]

About the phones I could care les. Yes the parasites take advantage of our social safety net. So what ?

Its not our problem your lost.

I care, thats why I posted.

[corny]

I bet those phones were the idea of the phone companies and not the government... its not a bad idea entirely.... but I will pretty much assure you that these phone companies are making a profit off those phones...... otherwise they wouldnt participate in the program.

[jguy4427]

Just wondering if anyone feels there is a correlation between gas prices dropping right at election time? I have heard a lot of discussion among fellow employees saying this.

[chaard]

Just wondering if anyone feels there is a correlation between gas prices dropping right at election time? I have heard a lot of discussion among fellow employees saying this.
I doubt the oil companies are Obama's back pocket.

[Gib's Son]

I doubt the oil companies are Obama's back pocket.

Back pocket....No, but I would not put it past this Administration to use some sort of Chicago style strong arm tactics behind closed doors.

[Six]

Sorry Six, this lobotomized liberal thinker was
deep (or not so) in thought, and could not give you the full attention that you thrive. You have used chimp analogy many times, as it is so descriptive, one must only presume that it is indeed a mirror image of oneself.

If one but himself into a corner, then one has to lash out at those who are free to roam, as you have boxed your self into this corner by remain conservative, us liberal minded are able to explore a wide range of options, which does not exclude some of your Conservative leanings. There is nothing greater than the freedom of thought.

There is lots of talk of your great country (and good on you for being proud), but what makes a great country "really", is its borders, or the wealth of the richest, or its heritage, "no" it is its people, but in modern terms, how this greatness or strength is seen is not how the strongest are treated but how we look after the weak. The greatness comes through social responsibility, some level of SOCIALISM, but this need not exclude other political, economical and security issues.

Going back to an earlier question I gave you, regarding the fail green companies, what do you think was the real cost to tax payer of the failed ventures!

I like my chimp analogy and I think I've used it twice.
It pales in comparison to some of the hatred I've had to endure for my Conservative positions.



But I can take it and how heavily weighted are you in your convictions if everyone agrees with you ? ( rhetorical )

I personally believe that America is at a crossroads culturally and the current ideologues on the left represent fringe concepts that are meant not to empower our Nation but to destroy it.

As a nation you do not let the weakest of you determine your future or define you as the Democrats appeal directly to those dependant on government assistance

You do not attack and try to de-emphasize the Western Cannon and at the same time try to add legitimacy to a sub-culture by artificially depicting their value to a society.

Case in point Obamas appointee to head NASA informed us that his prioroty was to make NASA a muslim -outreach science experiment.

Or how about when my gifted teen age daughter( she beeen in gifted accelerated courses since 2cnd grade, takes after her Daddy ) brings home literature like " I know why the Caged Bird Sings " instead of Nietzche and Hemingway.

Sorry Babar heading into a meeeting and I will comment later on the green theft of taz dollars by a corrupt president.

[motoguy128]

Just wondering if anyone feels there is a correlation between gas prices dropping right at election time? I have heard a lot of discussion among fellow employees saying this.

They drop around this time every year as refineries switch to winter blends, the impacts of the huricane season are realized, summer travel ends, fuel economy increases with mild weather, and refineries tend to have completed their annual planned shutdowns. Prices are dictacted by supply and demand at the refineries and oil prices. Oil prices reflect global speculation and supply and demand. The impact of US supply is is significant, but cannot influence the market dramatically. It requires a worldwide conspiracy and cooperation of doznes on producers.

Regional supplies and logistics can influence local prices as well (rescent short term jumps in gas prices in Cal). So does of course local overhead costs at individual stations and state taxes (price differences from Chicago suburbs to downtown for example and from a gas station in Hannibal MO to one in Quincy, IL 10 miles away where the same gas is sold from the same distribution point)

[Six]

They drop around this time every year as refineries switch to winter blends, the
impacts of the huricane season are realized, summer travel ends, fuel economy increases with mild weather, and refineries tend to have completed their annual planned shutdowns. Prices are dictacted by supply and demand at the refineries and oil prices. Oil prices reflect global speculation and supply and demand. The impact of US supply is is significant, but cannot influence the market dramatically. It requires a worldwide conspiracy and cooperation of doznes on producers.

Regional supplies and logistics can influence local prices as well (rescent short term jumps in gas prices in Cal). So does of course local overhead costs at individual stations and state taxes (price differences from Chicago suburbs to downtown for example and from a gas station in Hannibal MO to one in Quincy, IL 10 miles away where the same gas is sold from the same distribution point)

Trying to explain away convient low gas prices doesn't address Obamas failure.

Or his abandonment of personel in Benghazi.

So Gas prices dropped 30 cents so what.

Its the best his administration has to run on.

[energy star]

Obama has done a fine job.

[Six]

Obama has done a fine job.

List examples please.

Your personal opion plus 5 bucks will buy a cup of cofee at Starbucks....barely.

[jmac00]

Obama has done a fine job or ruining our economy and destroying our country

There, I fixed it for you

[energy star]

I guess will have 4 more years of this banter.

[ControlsInMT]

Doubtful.

[coolwhip]

There, I fixed it for you

LMAO! :D

[barbar]

I like my chimp analogy and I think I've used it twice.
It pales in comparison to some of the hatred I've had to endure for my Conservative positions.



But I can take it and how heavily weighted are you in your convictions if everyone agrees with you ? ( rhetorical )

I personally believe that America is at a crossroads culturally and the current ideologues on the left represent fringe concepts that are meant not to empower our Nation but to destroy it.

As a nation you do not let the weakest of you determine your future or define you as the Democrats appeal directly to those dependant on government assistance

You do not attack and try to de-emphasize the Western Cannon and at the same time try to add legitimacy to a sub-culture by artificially depicting their value to a society.

Case in point Obamas appointee to head NASA informed us that his prioroty was to make NASA a muslim -outreach science experiment.

Or how about when my gifted teen age daughter( she beeen in gifted accelerated courses since 2cnd grade, takes after her Daddy ) brings home literature like " I know why the Caged Bird Sings " instead of Nietzche and Hemingway.

Sorry Babar heading into a meeeting and I will comment later on the green theft of taz dollars by a corrupt president.

I struggle with hatred of a group of people, a person is understandable. You and I choose to clash horns, if we were not thick skinned we should not enter the arena.

I have my convictions, and I hope that most question them (disagree) and can give an alternative. I also hope that I can aid those who have an alternative opinion to look beyond their conservatism, evaluate and understand (need not agree) other points of view. (this applies as equally to the lefties)
I fully understand, that some of my beliefs are incorrect, but if I knew which they were I would not believe in them. Hence my liberal mind. I seek the truth! I will not accept what someone says is the truth.

The strong should protect the weak, So you want to determine who can and can not vote? I could say that you are weak and should not vote as you have an underlying reliance on some form of mystical spirit. (I am not insulting your faith, just an example), Therefore are not able to make a judgement based upon rational.

Well I have never had the pleasure of reading a book ( I have reading difficulties, maybe the chimp coming out in me!!!), so good on your daughter for her advancements. I only have question is she happy?

I am off on a sales, booze trip, so look forward to your reply on the green failures.

[Six]

I struggle with hatred of a group of people, a
person is understandable. You and I choose to clash horns, if we were not thick skinned we should not enter the arena.

I have my convictions, and I hope that most question them (disagree) and can give an alternative. I also hope that I can aid those who have an alternative opinion to look beyond their conservatism, evaluate and understand (need not agree) other points of view. (this applies as equally to the lefties)
I fully understand, that some of my beliefs are incorrect, but if I knew which they were I would not believe in them. Hence my liberal mind. I seek the truth! I will not accept what someone says is the truth.

The strong should protect the weak, So you want to determine who can and can not vote? I could say that you are weak and should not vote as you have an underlying reliance on some form of mystical spirit. (I am not insulting your faith, just an example), Therefore are not able to make a judgement based upon rational.

Well I have never had the pleasure of reading a book ( I have reading difficulties, maybe the chimp coming out in me!!!), so good on your daughter for her advancements. I only have question is she happy?

I am off on a sales, booze trip, so look forward to your reply on the green failures.

The Green energy debacle is neither here or there with me. It bores me and is just another example of incompetence and activism by our dear leader.

To think he doesn't understand the basic principles of supply and demand.

As far as hating a group of people I do try to make allowences for certain groups and try to be as objective as possible when meeting an individual.

It's ok to be an ideologue to some degree but Ive realized that as I age the fuzzy interim between right and wrong and good and evil has started to condense down to a clear distinction.

The clouds of indecision and apathy melt away the older I get and I understand now its not that difficult to understand what motivates the average person.

Also the more I experience the world around me the more I realize that human behaviour is as predictable as the sunrise.

So what values should I pass on to my daughter ? Should I extend to her the mysogonistic violent tirades that come from the Hip Hop generation ?

Our dear leader made a point to credit hip hop the other day. He is a child you see.

Or should I teach her the things that were taught to me, the values passed down through my Irish/ American Indian Heritage ?

That being human is so much more than satisfying your primal needs on a day to day basis.

As far as her happiness Happiness isn't a destination you know.

Its a thousand stops along the way. If she was constantly Happy I would be concerned. Now is she content ?

God I hope not. She way to young for that. She needs things to drive her to her goals.

As far as helping the weeker thats fine but you never let the government define whos weak and who needs to have money redistributed to them......so they can remain weeker.

[Six]

Oh and you should look into books on CDs. If you drive a lot they're great.

I dont know what I would do if I couldn't read some of my favorite literature.


Not only does it remove you for a short time from reality but it also teaches you how to think in ways you never realized were possible.

I will say after Nietsche,Poe, Whitman, Chekov, Kafke and others I'm still a Conservative and still love my Country.

[jmac00]

To think he doesn't understand the basic principles of supply and demand.



Obama doesn't understand business, period

[printer2]

Before I get accused of being a Democratic supporter, Obama lover, socialist... aww heck, you fill in the blank. I said when Obama was elected that I did not like the guy, have said you guys have to get your financial house in order, that Republicans are better for Canada business wise. thought you would do better this time voting them in.

But I seem to counter some of the things the right here portray. Why is that? Because if I think something does not smell right I go digging.


Now I did not go looking for this but I did find it interesting. Caught it from reading a link in another thread. Common knowlage, Obama has been spending like it has gone out of style, right? Well maybe not. While he has not done much in the way of reducing your bloated spending the articles say he has increased spending less than any president since Eisenhower.

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/rickungar/files/2012/10/MW-AR658_spendi_20120521163312_ME11.jpg

Probably a Leftist rag that I am linking to, eh Robo? How about Forbes

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/09/03/yep-obamas-a-big-spender-just-like-his-predecessors/

[jmac00]

I don't think NObama's spending is the issue. I think Ben Bernanke's QEIII is the problem

By saying he will continue to buy bonds and print fiat money with no end in sight, he is headed for dangerous (economic) trouble. NObama has the power to reel him in, but Nobama is going to let him go.

[printer2]

I don't think NObama's spending is the issue. I think Ben Bernanke's QEIII is the problem

By saying he will continue to buy bonds and print fiat money with no end in sight, he is headed for dangerous (economic) trouble. NObama has the power to reel him in, but Nobama is going to let him go.

Oh don't get me started with the Fed's actions. They are just cranking up the volume for the game of musical chairs and when the music stops again we are going to find ourselves with even fewer chairs.

[barbar]

The Green energy debacle is neither here or there with me. It bores me and is just another example of incompetence and activism by our dear leader.

To think he doesn't understand the basic principles of supply and demand.

As far as hating a group of people I do try to make allowences for certain groups and try to be as objective as possible when meeting an individual.

It's ok to be an ideologue to some degree but Ive realized that as I age the fuzzy interim between right and wrong and good and evil has started to condense down to a clear distinction.

The clouds of indecision and apathy melt away the older I get and I understand now its not that difficult to understand what motivates the average person.

Also the more I experience the world around me the more I realize that human behaviour is as predictable as the sunrise.

So what values should I pass on to my daughter ? Should I extend to her the mysogonistic violent tirades that come from the Hip Hop generation ?

Our dear leader made a point to credit hip hop the other day. He is a child you see.

Or should I teach her the things that were taught to me, the values passed down through my Irish/ American Indian Heritage ?

That being human is so much more than satisfying your primal needs on a day to day basis.

As far as her happiness Happiness isn't a destination you know.

Its a thousand stops along the way. If she was constantly Happy I would be concerned. Now is she content ?

God I hope not. She way to young for that. She needs things to drive her to her goals.

As far as helping the weeker thats fine but you never let the government define whos weak and who needs to have money redistributed to them......so they can remain weeker.

My question was not directly related to the green debate, but increasing your understanding of the actual tax implication made by the tax payers of your country. The amount given are more than likely the direct payments and are used for headline purposes only, if you understand the true cost and the social benefits of people employed, you maybe surprised that the actual cost is considerable low, unless of course; if the owners shoved the whole lot into their own back pocket, and that is a different case.

Right , wrong , good and evil, in most cases does depend upon where you are standing. (i am referring to principle and ideology)

Where in the world have been and what experiences do have of others worlds. (standards, cultures and the like)?

Hip Hop, a music trend, that will pass and some other crud trend will replace it, In my time as a teenager punk (and that pretty offensive) was around, there are just phases that natural rebellious young people go through. Most go through this. ( I have been through a similar stage 3 times with my kids)

I can not say what you should pass down, i have no doubt that you will do your best, to point them in the right direction. In earlier threads you stated that your family where liberals, so why would you want to pass on values, that you disagree with.

Primal needs or primal wants, big difference!

Is your daughters dispersion; "general happiness", ( without downs we can not have ups), so i do understand what you mean and agree.

As a society we need governance, so how can a government not be involved!
The idea that the strong will support the weak via charity and goodness, is just as much a pipe dream as equality through communism, both great ideas!

[jmac00]

Oh don't get me started with the Fed's actions. They are just cranking up the volume for the game of musical chairs and when the music stops again we are going to find ourselves with even fewer chairs.

or no chairs at all, THAT would be really bad.

[ControlsInMT]

Before I get accused of being a Democratic supporter, Obama lover, socialist... aww heck, you fill in the blank. I said when Obama was elected that I did not like the guy, have said you guys have to get your financial house in order, that Republicans are better for Canada business wise. thought you would do better this time voting them in.

But I seem to counter some of the things the right here portray. Why is that? Because if I think something does not smell right I go digging.


Now I did not go looking for this but I did find it interesting. Caught it from reading a link in another thread. Common knowlage, Obama has been spending like it has gone out of style, right? Well maybe not. While he has not done much in the way of reducing your bloated spending the articles say he has increased spending less than any president since Eisenhower.

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/rickungar/files/2012/10/MW-AR658_spendi_20120521163312_ME11.jpg

Probably a Leftist rag that I am linking to, eh Robo? How about Forbes

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/09/03/yep-obamas-a-big-spender-just-like-his-predecessors/

Also from Forbes...
Here are the ratios of deficit to GDP for the past five presidents:

Ronald Reagan
1981-88 4.2 %
1982-89 4.2
Average 4.2

George H. W. Bush
1989-92 4.0
1990-93 4.3
Average 4.2

Bill Clinton
1993-2000 0.8
1994-2001 0.1
Average 0.5

George W. Bush
2001-08 2.0
2002-09 3.4
Average 2.7

Barack Obama
2009-12* 9.1
2010-12 8.7

So the spending isn't as big of concern as the defeicit created by the spending. Fairly obvious who leads there.

[printer2]

Also from Forbes...
Here are the ratios of deficit to GDP for the past five presidents:

Ronald Reagan
1981-88 4.2 %
1982-89 4.2
Average 4.2

George H. W. Bush
1989-92 4.0
1990-93 4.3
Average 4.2

Bill Clinton
1993-2000 0.8
1994-2001 0.1
Average 0.5

George W. Bush
2001-08 2.0
2002-09 3.4
Average 2.7

Barack Obama
2009-12* 9.1
2010-12 8.7

So the spending isn't as big of concern as the defeicit created by the spending. Fairly obvious who leads there.

But it is not like you can pin the deficit on him as his making. Heck, my country went into deficit four years ago and will still be in it for a few more. And we were running surpluses for the previous ten years. And he wanted to work with the Republicans to reduce the deficit through reduced spending and allowing Bush's temporary tax cuts to expire. While I think he has been an ineffective leader I can not blame all your woes on him.

[Mrak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jHsb17MRAj8

If you have half a brain, this should change your mind :whistle:

Thanks jmac00
This was worth watching!

[jmac00]

But it is not like you can pin the deficit on him as his making. Heck, my country went into deficit four years ago and will still be in it for a few more. And we were running surpluses for the previous ten years. And he wanted to work with the Republicans to reduce the deficit through reduced spending and allowing Bush's temporary tax cuts to expire. While I think he has been an ineffective leader I can not blame all your woes on him.

really, the deficit quadrupled under his watch? how is that not of his making?

[coolwhip]

Cmon now jmac, it was all Bush's fault, Bambam had to spend that much to get out of what Bush did.

We gotta pass this 2000 page bill before you can read it.

This is liberal logic folks!

[energy star]

Yes, much of it was Bush's fault.

[jmac00]

Yes, much of it was Bush's fault.

O.M.G.

Obama Must Go

so the facts in the video is flawed???? or more likely, you were to lazy to watch the video

[ControlsInMT]

Yep, same rhetoric from the left. When you can't back up you claims with facts just blame Bush. Kinda like getting a divorce, at some point you have to move on and accept responsibility for things. OH WAIT! I forgot, left doctrine says it's never your fault you can always blame someone else.

[coolwhip]

Yep, same rhetoric from the left. When you can't back up you claims with facts just blame Bush. Kinda like getting a divorce, at some point you have to move on and accept responsibility for things. OH WAIT! I forgot, left doctrine says it's never your fault you can always blame someone else.

Its part of their psychosis....
a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality.

[Gib's Son]

Bushwhackers. Nuff said.