Pitbull Attack

[Brian GC]

The other day I was driving up the street and saw a dog running free being chased by two teenagers. It ran cross the street in front of me and into a neighbor’s yard. When I got closer I saw it was a big pitbull and it had just grabbed a cat that was sleeping in the bushes. The dog shook it and then pressed it into the ground to get a better grip. It had its jaws locked-on just under the throat and front legs.

Five of us tried to get the dog to release the cat until the cat owner grabbed the dog by the testicles. It finally released it but it was too late. The beautiful Himalayan Seal Point just laid there bloodied with a severely broken front leg.

I’ve always disliked those dogs because it seems the internal wiring of that dog drove it to do that. But defenders of those dogs often say it is the owner’s fault. How could that have been the dog owner’s fault?

On the upside, Animal Control took the dog. They will either not release it back to the owners or will charge them an $1,100 “vicious dog” licensing fee.

[Gib's Son]

Here, a few weeks ago the police knocked on the door of an owner of two pitbulls. One of the dogs charged through the door and attacked one of the police officers. The dog was shot and killed. The owner was on the evening news with tears in his eyes proclaiming his dogs would never do that. A few days later the police released the video of the attack. (They all carry cameras on them) It was only then that owner went back on the news and apologized for his dogs action and said he did not blame the police.

I'm with you. Pitbulls are the only breed of dog that make me nervous. They were bred to be aggressive and kill.

[hurtinhvac]

I was writing up paperwork in my vehicle late this week and waited as a lady walked her pure white, chunky Pit with those massive jaws past. They spook me, plain and simple.

I've only had one call so far where I had to work in close proximity to one. I made friends, petted and scratched it. Seemed like a good dog. However it did not escape my attention that the owner never left the two of us alone for a second, and instinctively took hold of it's collar whenever I moved to another location or went back to the truck.

Freaking unnerving...

[AStudent]

Pitt bulls are extremely loyal, one of the most loyal dogs....period. this is why they have the rep, they will protect their owners at any cost, dog owners know this so they train them to be vicious. It's not that they are hardwired to be vicious, just hardwired to be protective.

For future reference if you put a dog in a headlock it can do absolutely nothing, just squeeze.

[Tool-Slinger]

The other day I was driving up the street and saw a dog running free being chased by two teenagers. It ran cross the street in front of me and into a neighbor’s yard. When I got closer I saw it was a big pitbull and it had just grabbed a cat that was sleeping in the bushes. The dog shook it and then pressed it into the ground to get a better grip. It had its jaws locked-on just under the throat and front legs.

Five of us tried to get the dog to release the cat until the cat owner grabbed the dog by the testicles. It finally released it but it was too late. The beautiful Himalayan Seal Point just laid there bloodied with a severely broken front leg.

I’ve always disliked those dogs because it seems the internal wiring of that dog drove it to do that. But defenders of those dogs often say it is the owner’s fault. How could that have been the dog owner’s fault?

On the upside, Animal Control took the dog. They will either not release it back to the owners or will charge them an $1,100 “vicious dog” licensing fee.

Well, lesse.....

Any dog can do that, and there is your answer on pit bulls. That is a fact. Pitbulls may be better at it. I do not like that breed of dog either.

As for the owner, I say you can usually judge the owner of a dog by the dog's attitude whether it is aggressive or friendly or whatever. But dogs do what dogs do, doubtful THE OWNER trained a serial kitty-killer.

[dna]

Was attacked by a jack russel terrier last March-ripped into my ankle pretty good. Urgent care center, antibiotics-the whole deal. Any dog can be nasty-just treat them all cautiously.

[AStudent]

Was attacked by a jack russel terrier last March-ripped into my ankle pretty good. Urgent care center, antibiotics-the whole deal. Any dog can be nasty-just treat them all cautiously.

Personally I think Jack russel terriers are the meanest dogs, every one that I've seen has been a snippy growling tiny body of fury.

[Tech Rob]

I see this all the time in my neighborhood. Strays running around, people walking their pit bulls with no leash... It seems like most of the owners of notoriously aggressive breeds of dogs only get them because the owners are insecure about themselves and feel the dog helps them project a more intimidating and macho image. The same as people with lots of tattoos and lifted pick-up trucks. I realize I probably offended 75% of the folks on this forum with that last statement.
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[Tool-Slinger]

I realize I probably offended 75% of the folks on this forum with that last statement.

Only the few okies who have obtained internet access.

[behappy]

For future reference if you put a dog in a headlock it can do absolutely nothing, just squeeze.

We have always had Shepherds. Used to play rassel with them when they were young. I can tell you that when you get them in a head lock, those back toenails can really hurt!

Taught to me by a dog handler..... Grab a dog by the lower jaw with your thumb on the inside middle soft part. A slight pressure down and they will be whimpering real quick. The trick is the first grab. :.02:

[hearthman]

You know, head locks may work on alligators, too but I ain't gonna try it when I have a gun....

Some homeowner's insurance write specific exclusions for viscous breeds so dog owners beware. If you get bitten or in anyway injured by a pet, you have grounds to sue and pet bites are one of the top claims against homeowner's insurance.

I have found almost all breeds can be nasty so there is no rhyme or reason to it. I have a beagle and greyhound, which are statistically two of the least aggressive breeds out there but I have encountered grumpy ones of both. My two act like they are on 'ludes all the time.

[corny]

Just be glad nobody killed the dog..... In most places Ive seen you can get in far more serious trouble for killing someones pet than you can for killing one of their kids.

Kill an animal you are just mean....

Kill a kid....you are sick and deserve a chance to recieve treatment.

[Mrak]

While in South Africa going house to house for two years as a Mormon missionary. Seriously, EVERY house had a walled or fenced yard with a dog. And the dogs were for protection. Though I never got bit, hard to believe I know, I did have two or three pit bull's take a snap at me and it did sound like a huge steel trap when the jaw slams shut. When needed, I'm sure those dogs would protect the owners. And yes they were a bit more scary than the other dogs but knock on wood.... I never did get bit by one or any other dog.

[zw17]

Personally I think Jack russel terriers are the meanest dogs, every one that I've seen has been a snippy growling tiny body of fury.

As a JRT owner, pound for pound they are the most vicious dogs on the planet, thank god they only get to be about 20lbs.

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BTW, you see that 5th leg? That's my boy :grin2:

[AStudent]

As a JRT owner, pound for pound they are the most vicious dogs on the planet, thank god they only get to be about 20lbs.

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BTW, you see that 5th leg? That's my boy :grin2:

Nice, I have an all black pug.

[Tech Rob]

Nice, I have an all black pug.

I've got two fat black pugs.

[Tool-Slinger]

While in South Africa going house to house for two years as a Mormon missionary. Seriously, EVERY house had a walled or fenced yard with a dog. And the dogs were for protection. Though I never got bit, hard to believe I know, I did have two or three pit bull's take a snap at me and it did sound like a huge steel trap when the jaw slams shut. When needed, I'm sure those dogs would protect the owners. And yes they were a bit more scary than the other dogs but knock on wood.... I never did get bit by one or any other dog.

Mrak shows us all why we should all fear dogs, an not become Mormons all in one brilliant post.

[Eddie1KRR]

I'm not much of a cat lover, This is sad. But I have to say in that case it was the owners fault in the sense that unless it's the dogs first day with the dog, the owner knows if the pit bull is animal and or people aggressive. If the dog is, then it needs to be handled and restrained appropriately.

I have a pit bull...It was not my first choice for a dog by a long shot, but I kind of got stuck with him. I was asked if I could keep him at my shop until the owner or me found a home for him, and I reluctantly agreed. I have to admit I was really nervous around the dog the first couple days even though he gave me no reason to be. In the end, he grew on me a whole lot before long, and I still have him 6 years later. He is a great friend, and loves all people and kids and is always very gentle with everyone. He has shown me once he can also be protective too and MAY attack a person in the right circumstances. I was napping on the couch at home one day, and my brother had let himself in the house using the garage keypad, I didn't hear him come in, but I awoke to the sound of my dog barking snarling and my brother screaming for me to grab him as my brother was getting backed in the corner. That was the one and only time I ever saw my pit show aggression toward a person, but once I showed the dog it was ok, obviously the tail went wagging. They have good instincts.

Some dogs, not just pit bulls, need special handling. Mine is one that does require it, and to me he is worth the extra work because he is an awesome and very loyal dog. Mine is VERY dog and cat aggressive (or anything with fur for that matter) I got him when he was about 1 1/2 so I don't know if it was trained in him, or he is hard wired that way, I suspect the latter. So, knowing that, I take the steps to be sure he never as much as sees another dog or cat ever. Even in my fenced in yard here, I take him out on a leash most times unless it's real late at night when I know the neighbors dogs are long in bed so he won't be trying to tear down the fence to get to the other dog. (Yes, he has ripped the boards off the fence trying to get through to the other dog), so the leash policy was put into place immediately.

That said, the dog he is trying to fight with is just as big if not bigger than mine is, and is obviously equally as dog aggressive since that other dog was doing his own tearing away at the other side of the fence, and he is not a pit bull. This is not exclusive to pit bulls at all. Lots of breeds have these tendencies, some are just more efficient at doing damage than others and again, it's the owners responsibility to make sure the dog is not put in a situation, where he just can't help himself if it's instinct.

Sorry for the long post :oops:

[Tool-Slinger]

I'm not much of a cat lover, This is sad. But I have to say in that case it was the owners fault in the sense that unless it's the dogs first day with the dog, the owner knows if the pit bull is animal and or people aggressive. If the dog is, then it needs to be handled and restrained appropriately.

I have a pit bull...It was not my first choice for a dog by a long shot, but I kind of got stuck with him. I was asked if I could keep him at my shop until the owner or me found a home for him, and I reluctantly agreed. I have to admit I was really nervous around the dog the first couple days even though he gave me no reason to be. In the end, he grew on me a whole lot before long, and I still have him 6 years later. He is a great friend, and loves all people and kids and is always very gentle with everyone. He has shown me once he can also be protective too and MAY attack a person in the right circumstances. I was napping on the couch at home one day, and my brother had let himself in the house using the garage keypad, I didn't hear him come in, but I awoke to the sound of my dog barking snarling and my brother screaming for me to grab him as my brother was getting backed in the corner. That was the one and only time I ever saw my pit show aggression toward a person, but once I showed the dog it was ok, obviously the tail went wagging. They have good instincts.

Some dogs, not just pit bulls, need special handling. Mine is one that does require it, and to me he is worth the extra work because he is an awesome and very loyal dog. Mine is VERY dog and cat aggressive (or anything with fur for that matter) I got him when he was about 1 1/2 so I don't know if it was trained in him, or he is hard wired that way, I suspect the latter. So, knowing that, I take the steps to be sure he never as much as sees another dog or cat ever. Even in my fenced in yard here, I take him out on a leash most times unless it's real late at night when I know the neighbors dogs are long in bed so he won't be trying to tear down the fence to get to the other dog. (Yes, he has ripped the boards off the fence trying to get through to the other dog), so the leash policy was put into place immediately.

That said, the dog he is trying to fight with is just as big if not bigger than mine is, and is obviously equally as dog aggressive since that other dog was doing his own tearing away at the other side of the fence, and he is not a pit bull. This is not exclusive to pit bulls at all. Lots of breeds have these tendencies, some are just more efficient at doing damage than others and again, it's the owners responsibility to make sure the dog is not put in a situation, where he just can't help himself if it's instinct.

Sorry for the long post :oops:

Spot on Eddie. I don't think you have a large understanding of animals, but I do think you have a good basic understanding. I can be course about this, but I won't out of respect for dog-lovers here.

[Pete838]

I have a pit and she is the best dog I've ever encountered. She plays with my 3 yr old and sleeps with her, teases the cat, and is generally the most well mannered dog. They are also very protective, and sometimes the dog's instinct is different than reasoned human judgement. The cops that got attacked in the above post may have been seen as intruders by the animal. Remember, the dog doesn't comprehend badge, gun, and search warrant.
In any case, these dogs are far less aggressive than most small dogs, but they do have a higher capacity to inflict damage because of the strength of their jaws. The owner is the key.
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[Eddie1KRR]

Spot on Eddie. I don't think you have a large understanding of animals, but I do think you have a good basic understanding. I can be course about this, but I won't out of respect for dog-lovers here.
Thanks Slinger, And you're right, I don't have a large understanding of dogs overall, This pit is my second dog, and like my first dog (husky) I watch them and learn their tendencies so I know what to watch for. For example, My husky was a ppl nipper. I learned real fast to know which situations prompted it, and made sure those situations didn't happen. (ppl reaching or standing in the entrance doorways for example and other random things he didn't like)

I was trying not to write a book up there, but it's hard not to lol. Long story short. Without any research on my part to back it up, I suspect pit bulls have some animal aggression tendencies in their nature, but I think if taught early that it's not acceptable (before they are big enough to inflict any damage) they can be socialized with other animals. But, I'm completely guessing there, while being optimistic that is the case.

As far as being course, I for one won't be offended, I would welcome the insight. Thanks!

[energy star]

I love my pit. Sleeps in our bed, wonderful dog.

[Tool-Slinger]

Having re read this thread, I apologize for sounding condescending.

By the age of 12 I was responsible for about 50 animals. I've had dogs and cats too. I have killed several dogs running in packs chasing stock by nature. Family pets gone loose.

Son:
Where did boo-boo go?
Daddy:
I don't know son, but I think he found a new home.

Sure, he found a final resting place below the pond dam where I drug him so his carcass would not stink. I have come home from school and found 3 or 4 dead stock. Pets. .22+pizzed off tool-slinger=dead pet.

I am all for dog owners, but you owners need to understand the responsibility and keep them in your yard. Not everyone else loves your dog like you do.

[Brian GC]

After reading the posts I think we can agree pitbulls and other aggressive breeds love and protect their owners. However, most are hardwired aggressive as to require proper training and restraint to be kept from attacking innocent people and animals. But as we all know that is not being done by all pitbull owners and a lot of innocent people and pets are being severely mauled.

As contractors we are required to carry insurance and bonds because we are in a position to do harm to people’s property. Since these animals are more likely to lash out do you pitbull and aggressive dog owners favor mandatory insurance or bonds be carried on these animals?

We all know what the pitbull owners say when their dog does irreparable damage. They say “I’ve never seen him do that before”. And because they often have no money they walk away without losing a dime. I’d like to know how many times pitbull owners were sued (and actually paid) for the damage their dogs inflict.

Saying “I’ve never seen him so that before” is like saying I didn’t know the gun was loaded, but I insist on leaving the gun in my front room.

[Mrak]

Now that wasn't very nice......

[Tool-Slinger]

Now that wasn't very nice......

My apologies, sir, but you were JUST ASKING for that one. LOL!

[Tool-Slinger]

After reading the posts I think we can agree pitbulls and other aggressive breeds love and protect their owners. However, most are hardwired aggressive as to require proper training and restraint to be kept from attacking innocent people and animals. But as we all know that is not being done by all pitbull owners and a lot of innocent people and pets are being severely mauled.

As contractors we are required to carry insurance and bonds because we are in a position to do harm to people’s property. Since these animals are more likely to lash out do you pitbull and aggressive dog owners favor mandatory insurance or bonds be carried on these animals?

We all know what the pitbull owners say when their dog does irreparable damage. They say “I’ve never seen him do that before”. And because they often have no money they walk away without losing a dime. I’d like to know how many times pitbull owners were sued (and actually paid) for the damage their dogs inflict.

Saying “I’ve never seen him so that before” is like saying I didn’t know the gun was loaded, but I insist on leaving the gun in my front room.

Thoughtful post there. While I can offer no solution to the problem myself, I doubt government required insurance is a good idea.

Neither would I think it wise to pick on a specific breed. Chows are also a problem, as previously mentioned terriers are mean little devils. You could outlaw pitbulls today and a month later have an explosive market formed on pitbull/german shep cross-breed dogs.

People want to have these dogs for whatever reason. Sometimes they damage persons, livestock, or other pets. It is hard to discern how much a given damage is due to owner negligence or just the dog doing wrong.

Actually, I do have a solution, but nobody is going to like it. If you see a bad dog, put it down then, there and on the spot. If not on the owner's property, assumed justified. There. Done.

[JBM1000]

Pit-bulls, even German Shepard's are sorta stupid and I mean that in this manner. I use to Protection and Attack train dogs as an the bad guy position. Doberman, Great Danes, and a few other breeds even poodle can be well adapted plus they can be trained to let you in meaning "break in, take stuff etc all u want". Now you just cannot leave, that is when your torn to pieces. Doing it in that manner allows silent alarms to go off and police time to be there gaining great benefit to actually catching the criminal and prosecuting to the fullest. German Shepard's can be done this way but it takes a lot longer.

[NY2GA01]

The other day I was driving up the street and saw a dog running free being chased by two teenagers. It ran cross the street in front of me and into a neighbor’s yard. When I got closer I saw it was a big pitbull and it had just grabbed a cat that was sleeping in the bushes. The dog shook it and then pressed it into the ground to get a better grip. It had its jaws locked-on just under the throat and front legs.

Five of us tried to get the dog to release the cat until the cat owner grabbed the dog by the testicles. It finally released it but it was too late. The beautiful Himalayan Seal Point just laid there bloodied with a severely broken front leg.

I’ve always disliked those dogs because it seems the internal wiring of that dog drove it to do that. But defenders of those dogs often say it is the owner’s fault. How could that have been the dog owner’s fault?

On the upside, Animal Control took the dog. They will either not release it back to the owners or will charge them an $1,100 “vicious dog” licensing fee.

This all seems like bs to me.

Any dog cound kill a cat, even my assue, but just because it's a pitbull it's made in to a bigger issue than it needs to be, what bs.

Let someone try and take my dog from me for that, not going to happen.

[keef]

I have two dogs... both are bird dogs (hunters by nature) We also at one point had a cat in the house who was "top dog" Other than some sniffing the cat ruled.
Both dogs like to strangle their toys. I take this time to interupt them and use it to my advantage as a training session for "leave it" I walk over say leave it while they are zoned out in their strangling and say leave it. Took a bit of work but they now stop whatever they are doing and ignore the object of their current obsession.
If I see my dogs running after something they are not supposed to, I simply use the command "leave it" they stop, look at me as if to say REALLY?
It's all in the training, would I let my dogs take down a neighbors cat. No, but I certainly let them take down a rabbit as there is no natural preditors in my area to control the population.

[drife678]

I HAVE THE BEST PIT BULL IN THE WORLD. I TRUST HIM WITH EVERYONE MY 2 YEAR OLD AND MY 2 MONTH OLD. DOGS ARE DOGS. YOU RAISE THEM TO BE GOOD. UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE A LOT OF POS OUT THERE THAT DONT DESERVE TO RAISE THERE SELFS LET ALONE A DOG.

[Mrak]

perhaps....

[Brian GC]

This all seems like bs to me.

Any dog could kill a cat, even my assue, but just because it's a pitbull it's made in to a bigger issue than it needs to be, what bs.

Let someone try and take my dog from me for that, not going to happen.

Exactly what part of it is bs? Have you ever witnessed something like that?

BTW - If your dog locked onto my cat they wouldn’t have to take it away because I would make sure it ended up in worse shape than my cat. You’d be taking your dog where that nice lady took her Himalayan…to be put down.

An eye for an eye.

[hurtinhvac]

Easy people.

And with all due respect; Pit Bulls scare me - I do think they are uniquely bred with the ability to do much harm and very qiuckly at that. I completely agree that training can control this...but I'm not risking my wrist or throat that the owner did all due dilligence.

I've had all matter of dogs and cats in my time, including a fine German Shephard and maybe five labs including my current Black Lab - who is a rescued, washed out support dog ( like two of the others), and displays incredible aggression for a lab. I trust him completely under normal circumstances and the kids in the neighborhood love to play ball with him. However I am always on edge when an unfamiliar male enters the house.

But I still don't believe my aggressive lab would do what the average Pit would do under even circumstances.

[corny]

I would never trust an animal...even a long time gentle family pet.... around a 2 month old or a 2 year old.....

They are still animals and even good pets can get cranky or scared or whatever and get violent.

sure...you can have the dogs and the kids in the same room or outside together and all..... you just need to be there to keep an eye on things.

[energy star]

German shepard just mauled a postman and he died last week.

[ga-hvac-tech]

Good thread!

I have read pitbulls are wired this way... here is a story: Neighbor got a pup, a lite brown with white eye spot. Nice pup, used to play with it at the fence almost every day for the better part of a year. Then one day I went to say HI and give it a treat and almost lost part of my hand... it did not take a rocket scientist to see in the dog's eyes it had no memory of any friendship... only had one intent: to harm me... and it was focused.

The only pet I ever saw that 'flipped' its personality was a so called domesticated wolf. Was as cuddly as a shepherd... but flipped and killed a neighborhood lab... IMO some breeds need extra care and supervision.... and if the owner either does not have the skill or time... well problems will happen.

[Tool-Slinger]

Good thread!

I have read pitbulls are wired this way... here is a story: Neighbor got a pup, a lite brown with white eye spot. Nice pup, used to play with it at the fence almost every day for the better part of a year. Then one day I went to say HI and give it a treat and almost lost part of my hand... it did not take a rocket scientist to see in the dog's eyes it had no memory of any friendship... only had one intent: to harm me... and it was focused.

The only pet I ever saw that 'flipped' its personality was a so called domesticated wolf. Was as cuddly as a shepherd... but flipped and killed a neighborhood lab... IMO some breeds need extra care and supervision.... and if the owner either does not have the skill or time... well problems will happen.

You will not solve the issue of attacking animals with either skill or time or loving attention. Never, no way in he11. I understand how you can consider them a family member, I love dogs too, but they do not think as we do and do not have our reasoning skills. Dogs are stupid animals, and they need to be subject to strict local control, I recommend a .22.

A state law or federal law will solve nothing. Dogs do not read news updates.

[AStudent]

Dogs have personalities just like humans do...the majority of their attitude depends on having was raised...just like ours.

Just like us, they get cranky, and stressed, and on occasion some of them have mental disorders as we do.

Of course they are animals, but dogs have been domesticated nearly just as long as we have.

[Milk man]

I was writing up paperwork in my vehicle late this week and waited as a lady walked her pure white, chunky Pit with those massive jaws past. They spook me, plain and simple.

I've only had one call so far where I had to work in close proximity to one. I made friends, petted and scratched it. Seemed like a good dog. However it did not escape my attention that the owner never left the two of us alone for a second, and instinctively took hold of it's collar whenever I moved to another location or went back to the truck.

Freaking unnerving...

So why is it so impossible for the Home Owner to lock the dog someplace out of the way. All they have to do is put it in a back room.

[Garretto.LaFantastic]

Nice, I have an all black pug.

I have a fawn male named Tucker. Heaven forbid you're in his way when someone rings the door bell. He will go from a dead sleep to flying off the couch at 60mph doing a 360 spin barking the entire way hauling as fast as he can to the front door. Doesn't attack though. He's just a noise maker. Pit bills? If I had kids I wouldn't let em near them.

[toocoolforschool]

I see this all the time in my neighborhood. Strays running around, people walking their pit bulls with no leash... It seems like most of the owners of notoriously aggressive breeds of dogs only get them because the owners are insecure about themselves and feel the dog helps them project a more intimidating and macho image. The same as people with lots of tattoos and lifted pick-up trucks. I realize I probably offended 75% of the folks on this forum with that last statement.
:angel:

Yep. They go out and buy an aggressive dog and make him more aggressive, totally unacceptible, but hey when your a drug dealer or gangster you got to hold up your image.

[Brian GC]

Yep. They go out and buy an aggressive dog and make him more aggressive...

When my son was two we were standing in a store next to a bulldog. They looked eye-to-eye with one another. Suddenly the bulldog lunged at my son for no apparent reason. If it wasn’t for the quick reflexes of the dog owner pulling back on the leash and me pushing my son back it would have been a disaster. That dog went right for his face and what did the dog owner say just afterwards, “I’ve never seen him do that before”.

I could hear it now if that dog had got a hold of my son. “I’m sorry man but I don’t have any money or insurance but really, I’m sorry about your kid’s face.”

People continue to own those dogs because they have no moral or financial responsibility for the damage they inflict. How can people own a dog that wants to rip anyone to shreds who comes to the front door and then act surprised and apologetic when it actually happens?

[coolwhip]

I hate pitbulls!...IMO, they are a fugly dog and don't know why anyone would want to own one. My neighbor has 3 that are untrained and obnoxious...they run out the front door whenever they get the chance. Should one of them run out that door and towards me, I will not hesitate pulling my handgun and ending its life.

[ga-hvac-tech]

You will not solve the issue of attacking animals with either skill or time or loving attention. Never, no way in he11. I understand how you can consider them a family member, I love dogs too, but they do not think as we do and do not have our reasoning skills. Dogs are stupid animals, and they need to be subject to strict local control, I recommend a .22.

A state law or federal law will solve nothing. Dogs do not read news updates.


Dogs have personalities just like humans do...the majority of their attitude depends on having was raised...just like ours.

Just like us, they get cranky, and stressed, and on occasion some of them have mental disorders as we do.

Of course they are animals, but dogs have been domesticated nearly just as long as we have.

Agree to a point Tool...

I have seen so called attack dogs (pits, chows, rots, shepherds... well shepherds seem the least radical of that bunch) who were relatively tame and obeyed their masters. I have also seen so called attack dogs who went wild, even when their master was trying to stop them.

IMO Student does have a point... however it is not the whole solution.

Personally, I think the solution is to hold folks responsible for what their dogs do. And if that means a person goes to jail and their kids are raised in a foster home... well that is the way it is. When a dog attacks a human... that is an act of violence... and the owner of the dog MUST be held responsible; NO exceptions. IMO when the word is out; your dog does the crime, YOU pay... folks will take a little better care with their dogs (or not have them). Having said that... if that human victim was on my property committing a crime... well they got what they deserved... and I am not responsible... they should have read the sign that said; "Beware of Bad Dog" and paid heed.

Now enforcing laws making folks responsible... well I am not holding my breath as long as liberals are in govt.

[Space Racer]

When my son was two we were standing in a store next to a bulldog. They looked eye-to-eye with one another. Suddenly the bulldog lunged at my son for no apparent reason. If it wasn’t for the quick reflexes of the dog owner pulling back on the leash and me pushing my son back it would have been a disaster. That dog went right for his face and what did the dog owner say just afterwards, “I’ve never seen him do that before”.

I could hear it now if that dog had got a hold of my son. “I’m sorry man but I don’t have any money or insurance but really, I’m sorry about your kid’s face.”

People continue to own those dogs because they have no moral or financial responsibility for the damage they inflict. How can people own a dog that wants to rip anyone to shreds who comes to the front door and then act surprised and apologetic when it actually happens?

When you look at a dog (or any predatory animal) in the eye and stare at it, the dog thinks you are threatening to attack it. No matter how well trained, no matter the breed, the dog will prepare to defend itself. If it's a male, it will probably attack.

Well, some breeds are hard to provoke, like golden retrievers and Great Pyrenees, but that's no guarantee.

To appear non-threatening, lower your eyelids so your eyes look like slits (shows you are calm, relaxed) and keep eye contact to a minimum.

If a dog threatens to bite you, look down and back away slowly. Don't turn your back, and don't run.

Always keep your children away from dogs that are not part of your family, especially in public areas, and especially males.

[kamersoutdoor]

When you look at a dog (or any predatory animal) in the eye and stare at it, the dog thinks you are threatening to attack it. No matter how well trained, no matter the breed, the dog will prepare to defend itself. If it's a male, it will probably attack.

Well, some breeds are hard to provoke, like golden retrievers and Great Pyrenees, but that's no guarantee.

To appear non-threatening, lower your eyelids so your eyes look like slits (shows you are calm, relaxed) and keep eye contact to a minimum.

If a dog threatens to bite you, look down and back away slowly. Don't turn your back, and don't run.

Always keep your children away from dogs that are not part of your family, especially in public areas, and especially males.

I totally disagree!
Do not ever let a dog dominate you by no eye contact. Being from a not so great area(s), I have had many a dealings with stray and vicious dogs. I will always show dominance over a dog. The moment you show a weakness is the moment they will muscle you!

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[ga-hvac-tech]

When you look at a dog (or any predatory animal) in the eye and stare at it, the dog thinks you are threatening to attack it. No matter how well trained, no matter the breed, the dog will prepare to defend itself. If it's a male, it will probably attack.

Well, some breeds are hard to provoke, like golden retrievers and Great Pyrenees, but that's no guarantee.

To appear non-threatening, lower your eyelids so your eyes look like slits (shows you are calm, relaxed) and keep eye contact to a minimum.

If a dog threatens to bite you, look down and back away slowly. Don't turn your back, and don't run.

Always keep your children away from dogs that are not part of your family, especially in public areas, and especially males.


I totally disagree!
Do not ever let a dog dominate you by no eye contact. Being from a not so great area(s), I have had many a dealings with stray and vicious dogs. I will always show dominance over a dog. The moment you show a weakness is the moment they will muscle you!

sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note

Interesting posts... IMO you are both right and both wrong... :)

GA's opinion (since each of us has our experiences and has drawn our conclusions); An animal, regardless of whether it is a pup, house ca,t wolf, tiger, etc... has a personality just like we do. And as such, each animal will react from their 'experiences', just as us humans do.

If one can 'read' the eyes of an animal, one will know whether to be aggressive or passive with that particular animal at that time... and as such one might communicate through that eye contact in a way to either escalate or de-escalate the situation.

Personally... I would NEVER loose eye contact with an animal... regardless of the situation. Just my way... I can read and communicate with eye contact... Yet as I have learned not all folks can.

Now for the animal; if they sense or read danger they will either attack or run... however if they sense or read non-danger they will be less aggressive or even more passive. The goal is for me (GA) to read what the animal reads... and send a message through that eye contact which de-escalates the situation with that specific animal at that time. Does it always work... no... that is when the .45 comes out and the animal goes to the animal pearly gates (not in reality, only humans go to the pearly gates).

[ga-hvac-tech]

I totally disagree!
Do not ever let a dog dominate you by no eye contact. Being from a not so great area(s), I have had many a dealings with stray and vicious dogs. I will always show dominance over a dog. The moment you show a weakness is the moment they will muscle you!

sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note

How do you like that Galaxy Note? I am about to upgrade... decided against the iphone 5... was about to get the S-3... then looked at a Note and read the Note 2 will be here next week (Nov 9 I think).

From what I can tell, the Note 2 pretty well does most everything the S-3 does, with a larger screen and the stylus stuff (and the built in apps for the stylus are seriously improved!).

Do you have any thoughts or advise to someone considering a Note 2?

Besides get a GOOD case (like the Otterbox defender).

[kamersoutdoor]

How do you like that Galaxy Note? I am about to upgrade... decided against the iphone 5... was about to get the S-3... then looked at a Note and read the Note 2 will be here next week (Nov 9 I think).

From what I can tell, the Note 2 pretty well does most everything the S-3 does, with a larger screen and the stylus stuff (and the built in apps for the stylus are seriously improved!).

Do you have any thoughts or advise to someone considering a Note 2?

Besides get a GOOD case (like the Otterbox defender).

BEST PHONE EVER!!!
I actually eliminated my need for a new tablet.
They call the stylus an S pen. It does a lot more than a mere stylus.
The looks you'll get from the size of it is priceless!
Did I tell you it's the best phone ever?

sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note

[kamersoutdoor]

Haven't had a chance to look at the note 2 as of yet, but notsure how they can improve on it!
I will warn that the size is not for everyone. Functionality gets 5 stars
Durability 5 stars
Battery life 5 stars


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[kamersoutdoor]

Interesting posts... IMO you are both right and both wrong... :)

GA's opinion (since each of us has our experiences and has drawn our conclusions); An animal, regardless of whether it is a pup, house ca,t wolf, tiger, etc... has a personality just like we do. And as such, each animal will react from their 'experiences', just as us humans do.

If one can 'read' the eyes of an animal, one will know whether to be aggressive or passive with that particular animal at that time... and as such one might communicate through that eye contact in a way to either escalate or de-escalate the situation.

Personally... I would NEVER loose eye contact with an animal... regardless of the situation. Just my way... I can read and communicate with eye contact... Yet as I have learned not all folks can.

Now for the animal; if they sense or read danger they will either attack or run... however if they sense or read non-danger they will be less aggressive or even more passive. The goal is for me (GA) to read what the animal reads... and send a message through that eye contact which de-escalates the situation with that specific animal at that time. Does it always work... no... that is when the .45 comes out and the animal goes to the animal pearly gates (not in reality, only humans go to the pearly gates).

Good post!


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[hvacker]

It's normal for most dogs to engage in hot pursuit. My cat and dogs are ok in the house but the yard belongs to the dogs. I don't think my cat would make it there.
The Dog Whisperer show stresses involvement with your animals and establishing leadership. I doubt many animals experience that.

[ga-hvac-tech]

BEST PHONE EVER!!!
I actually eliminated my need for a new tablet.
They call the stylus an S pen. It does a lot more than a mere stylus.
The looks you'll get from the size of it is priceless!
Did I tell you it's the best phone ever?

sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note


Haven't had a chance to look at the note 2 as of yet, but notsure how they can improve on it!
I will warn that the size is not for everyone. Functionality gets 5 stars
Durability 5 stars
Battery life 5 stars


sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note

THX for the review! In a nutshell... The iphone 5 and Samsung S-3 are the two premier phones available currently. IMO the iphone is slick and easy to use... while the Samsung has WAAAY more features and versatility.
Apple has kinda lost their way... it is time to jump ship and get on the Android wagon... Among other things Android OS' is evolving way faster than Apple IOS... this alone will move the Android platform miles ahead.

The Note 2 has literally everything the S-3 has, with a 5.5 screen (yours is 5.3), a hunkin 3100ma battery, and the built-in stylus apps have been GREATLY improved! The OS 4 platform uses a home button and two action buttons (touch sensitive spots), rather than the traditional 4 buttons at the bottom. I have watched my brother play with his S-3... it is a good improvement! The rear camera is 8MP, the front one is 1.9MP, there are shutter speed and ISO routines built in, as well as the LED flash. Screen is a true 16:9 aspect ratio... so it will play HD perfectly (it records HD video also). Feature set is AMAZING... google it and read about it.

To me, the stylus apps part is well worth putting up with a mini-tablet in your shirt pocket (or cargo pants pocket). I plan to get the OtterBox Defender right away (case)... my smart phone is too critical to my business.

Oh, BTW: The Note 2 runs OS 4.1, known as JellyBean. This is technically the first phone introduced in the USA right out of the box with the JB OS.

AT&T will have the Note 2 on Nov 9, other carriers will have it within a week either way. I suspect I will wait until Black Friday (day after THXgiving) to get one. Usually it is a good idea to let the hardware have a week or so with the tech reviewers to see if there are any bugs (like the iphone 4 antenna issue). That way, one can wait a mos or so if they need to, to get the production-line upgrade to fix the hardware issue.

THX for your review... and your enthusiasm! MeThinks I have finally found the upgrade for my iphone 3G (not 3GS). Been lookin for almost a year... be glad to have it done. Now I will have to learn Android OS... should not be too hard.

[viceman]

i have a 8 yr old female rotti and a 2 yr old akita/pitbull mix. both dogs are sweet loving animals. both dogs have large powerful jaws, sharp teeth and claws. the rotti is amazingly powerful.

when i have company i put the dogs away. i will never let one of my dogs near a kid. neither have hurt anybody but why chance it?

i love my dogs but they are dogs. people come first. if a dog attacks a human the dog owner didnt do its job. its always the owners fault.

[kamersoutdoor]

THX for the review! In a nutshell... The iphone 5 and Samsung S-3 are the two premier phones available currently. IMO the iphone is slick and easy to use... while the Samsung has WAAAY more features and versatility.
Apple has kinda lost their way... it is time to jump ship and get on the Android wagon... Among other things Android OS' is evolving way faster than Apple IOS... this alone will move the Android platform miles ahead.

The Note 2 has literally everything the S-3 has, with a 5.5 screen (yours is 5.3), a hunkin 3100ma battery, and the built-in stylus apps have been GREATLY improved! The OS 4 platform uses a home button and two action buttons (touch sensitive spots), rather than the traditional 4 buttons at the bottom. I have watched my brother play with his S-3... it is a good improvement! The rear camera is 8MP, the front one is 1.9MP, there are shutter speed and ISO routines built in, as well as the LED flash. Screen is a true 16:9 aspect ratio... so it will play HD perfectly (it records HD video also). Feature set is AMAZING... google it and read about it.

To me, the stylus apps part is well worth putting up with a mini-tablet in your shirt pocket (or cargo pants pocket). I plan to get the OtterBox Defender right away (case)... my smart phone is too critical to my business.

Oh, BTW: The Note 2 runs OS 4.1, known as JellyBean. This is technically the first phone introduced in the USA right out of the box with the JB OS.

AT&amp;T will have the Note 2 on Nov 9, other carriers will have it within a week either way. I suspect I will wait until Black Friday (day after THXgiving) to get one. Usually it is a good idea to let the hardware have a week or so with the tech reviewers to see if there are any bugs (like the iphone 4 antenna issue). That way, one can wait a mos or so if they need to, to get the production-line upgrade to fix the hardware issue.

THX for your review... and your enthusiasm! MeThinks I have finally found the upgrade for my iphone 3G (not 3GS). Been lookin for almost a year... be glad to have it done. Now I will have to learn Android OS... should not be too hard.

You know more than me about my phone lol
Good review!
I came from the blackberry world before this, transition not hard. But I see you like to get phone techy, maybe after playing with it a little you can school me in android 101 ;)

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[Six]

My position on pits is make them a controlled species inareas with large populations.

Sorry pooches but the half wit thugs screwed it up for you guys just like they've screwed up do much of our society.

Your average "thug" has the education of a 5 th grader and the emotional maturity of a 3 rd grader.

Then they have kids and the cancer of their being is perpetuted on the rest of society.

Pits are a staus symbol to the idiots. The meaner the better.

[ga-hvac-tech]

You know more than me about my phone lol
Good review!
I came from the blackberry world before this, transition not hard. But I see you like to get phone techy, maybe after playing with it a little you can school me in android 101 ;)

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Actually I spent about an hour over the weekend googling. Cnet has good tech reviews... along with a few other sites.

My brother is a bit of a geek... always has the latest thing. He explained the S-3 to me a few weeks ago.

There are lots of good videos at Utube about phone features... just takes a few google searches to find more than one has time to learn... :)

[Milk man]

i have a 8 yr old female rotti and a 2 yr old akita/pitbull mix. both dogs are sweet loving animals. both dogs have large powerful jaws, sharp teeth and claws. the rotti is amazingly powerful.

when i have company i put the dogs away. i will never let one of my dogs near a kid. neither have hurt anybody but why chance it?

i love my dogs but they are dogs. people come first. if a dog attacks a human the dog owner didnt do its job. its always the owners fault.

Good job. You are 100% correct.