GOP's Mourdock stands by rape, abortion remark

[mcjo tech]

INDIANAPOLIS — Indiana Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock refused to apologize Wednesday for saying that rape resulting in pregnancy is "something God intended."

State Republicans and a few congressional leaders defended Mourdock, whose prospects of winning the seat long held by the GOP are unclear.

But with female voters critical in the tight presidential race and other stalemated contests two weeks before Election Day, many in the party distanced themselves with varying levels of abruptness and clarity, underscoring the difficult nature of the uproar even among other anti-abortion Republicans.


Just curious what you all think about this.

Any thoughts or comments?

[corny]

While I believe the guy is a dolt for saying that..... I mean...doesnt he run that stuff by his wife first or female staff members.....???

But I have more respect for the man standing by what he says instead of changing his tone a week later or making up excuses like..... they took that out of context......what I meant to say was......blah blah blah....

This guy....Akin, Romney, Cain....... Dont these guys think before they open their mouths.......

[corny]

cue obama teleprompter response......lol

[exreo]

I stand 100% percent with Mourdock. Mourdock is right--God is ultimately in control of everything. But look at it this way, when the child is 18 year old, would he say to his mom, "You know mom, you should have aborted me because I was conceived in rape". 99 out of 100 18-year-olds would not say that. They would be happy that their mom made the right decision to have them and bring them into the world--even if they were conceived in rape. This argument is all about the selfishness of females who want things for THEIR convenience.

[ADillon]

I stand 100% percent with Mourdock. Mourdock is right--God is ultimately in control of everything. But look at it this way, when the child is 18 year old, would he say to his mom, "You know mom, you should have aborted me because I was conceived in rape". 99 out of 100 18-year-olds would not say that. They would be happy that their mom made the right decision to have them and bring them into the world--even if they were conceived in rape. This argument is all about the selfishness of females who want things for THEIR convenience.

asenine

[exreo]

asenine

Really? How so? Please explain from the point of view of the 18-year-old who was born as a result of being conceived in rape, but is having a great time in high school like a lot of us did.

Or, are you a half brain dead Obama lover who can only attack the messenger but can't argue against the message?

[ControlsInMT]

Right, wrong, or indifferent, I admire the guy for standing by his convictions.

[newoldtech]

asenine

Not nice. But I have to agree.

"selfish females who were raped". wholly*******

[ADillon]

Really? How so? Please explain from the point of view of the 18-year-old who was born as a result of being conceived in rape, but is having a great time in high school like a lot of us did.

Or, are you a half brain dead Obama lover who can only attack the messenger but can't argue against the message?

I'm not for Obama. But the fact that you accuse anyone with whom you disagree of being a democrat or Obama lover is disconcerting to say the least. Now on to how this was an asenine statement.... A woman being raped was likened to an 'inconvenience'. It is impossible to overstate how callous, thoughtless and ignorant that statement is.

[ADillon]

Right, wrong, or indifferent, I admire the guy for standing by his convictions.

This I can agree with.

[exreo]

I'm not for Obama. But the fact that you accuse anyone with whom you disagree of being a democrat or Obama lover is disconcerting to say the least. Now on to how this was an asenine statement.... A woman being raped was likened to an 'inconvenience'. It is impossible to overstate how callous, thoughtless and ignorant that statement is.

So the murdered child is of no consequence to you? Only the woman's "feelings" matter? You sure think like a democrat IMHO. I'll bet 98% of "rapes" are date rapes and not just some woman being dragged off the streets, forced into a car and then to some private place to have sex--unless you want to include hookers in those calculations. This means that in most cases the woman was wililng to go out with the jerk in the first place. Or, they were shacking up together, and she said no, but he said yes. You can count that as rape. In most cases the woman did have some responsibility even if most of it is on the man who was the "rapist".

This reminds me of women who say their husband was abusive, and then she comes in at 0200 and pours gasoline all around the bed and burns him to death--and then walks on the charges--self defense.

[mcjo tech]

So the murdered child is of no consequence to you? Only the woman's "feelings" matter? You sure think like a democrat IMHO. I'll bet 98% of "rapes" are date rapes and not just some woman being dragged off the streets, forced into a car and then to some private place to have sex--unless you want to include hookers in those calculations. This means that in most cases the woman was wililng to go out with the jerk in the first place. Or, they were shacking up together, and she said no, but he said yes. You can count that as rape. In most cases the woman did have some responsibility even if most of it is on the man who was the "rapist".


This reminds me of women who say their husband was abusive, and then she comes in at 0200 and pours gasoline all around the bed and burns him to death--and then walks on the charges--self defense.


Interesting perspective.

[dna]

wow

[syndicated]

So the murdered child is of no consequence to you? Only the woman's "feelings" matter? You sure think like a democrat IMHO. I'll bet 98% of "rapes" are date rapes and not just some woman being dragged off the streets, forced into a car and then to some private place to have sex--unless you want to include hookers in those calculations. This means that in most cases the woman was wililng to go out with the jerk in the first place. Or, they were shacking up together, and she said no, but he said yes. You can count that as rape. In most cases the woman did have some responsibility even if most of it is on the man who was the "rapist".

This reminds me of women who say their husband was abusive, and then she comes in at 0200 and pours gasoline all around the bed and burns him to death--and then walks on the charges--self defense.

That last part, is very nearly the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

[printer2]

So the murdered child is of no consequence to you? Only the woman's "feelings" matter? You sure think like a democrat IMHO. I'll bet 98% of "rapes" are date rapes and not just some woman being dragged off the streets, forced into a car and then to some private place to have sex--unless you want to include hookers in those calculations. This means that in most cases the woman was wililng to go out with the jerk in the first place. Or, they were shacking up together, and she said no, but he said yes. You can count that as rape. In most cases the woman did have some responsibility even if most of it is on the man who was the "rapist".

This reminds me of women who say their husband was abusive, and then she comes in at 0200 and pours gasoline all around the bed and burns him to death--and then walks on the charges--self defense.

This is almost legitimizing rape. She went out with him so it is partly her fault. Do you have daughters?

[dna]

Me thinks exreo has some mommy issues-maybe harboring some anger? What did your mom do or not do to you? Please reply-you have some extreme views.

[hearthman]

I've discussed abortion elsewhere recently but the core of it is at what point does life begin? If it begins at the moment of conception as most 'right to lifers' do, then ANYTHING that terminates a pregnancy is murder. If a woman was raped and gets pregnant, then Christians would see this as God's will for her to deal with such a situation. She can carry the baby to term, deliver and give it up for adoption if she rejects wanting to raise her child but let the child live.

As for the shakey ground Reo is treading, I see some of his point. At what point was coitus 'rape' when moments before they were in the heat of passion? How do you turn it off when a girl allows it to go so far? Sure, she should be able to hit the 'stop' button at anytime but just understand in doing so, you may elicit a negative response from your partner. So, does the woman have some degree of responsibility when she allows a man to get to 3rd base then tries to stop it? Without a video of the encounter, courts only have the veracity of the two people to go by. While we know many men have raging hormones they have trouble controlling, we now know there are man women who destroy men's lives unjustly, too. It's tricky but regardless, why assassinate a baby over it?

[AStudent]

So you are willing to make a person who has been alive, seen things, has emotions, knows what life is....carry a baby that has seen nothing, for 9 months, 9 months where every day is a reminder of how cruel the world is, and why would she want to bring another person into it.

You would be lucky if the woman didn't hang herself, killing them both. Besides, would you be willing to foot the bill for all of this?

[syndicated]

I've discussed abortion elsewhere recently but the core of it is at what point does life begin? If it begins at the moment of conception as most 'right to lifers' do, then ANYTHING that terminates a pregnancy is murder. If a woman was raped and gets pregnant, then Christians would see this as God's will for her to deal with such a situation. She can carry the baby to term, deliver and give it up for adoption if she rejects wanting to raise her child but let the child live.

As for the shakey ground Reo is treading, I see some of his point. At what point was coitus 'rape' when moments before they were in the heat of passion? How do you turn it off when a girl allows it to go so far? Sure, she should be able to hit the 'stop' button at anytime but just understand in doing so, you may elicit a negative response from your partner. So, does the woman have some degree of responsibility when she allows a man to get to 3rd base then tries to stop it? Without a video of the encounter, courts only have the veracity of the two people to go by. While we know many men have raging hormones they have trouble controlling, we now know there are man women who destroy men's lives unjustly, too. It's tricky but regardless, why assassinate a baby over it?

Because its none of anyone's business.

Half the people on this site complain about the government is too big, too much into everyone's life, trying to tell the people how to live.
Well, you can't have it both ways., and there is no morality police like in Saudi Arabia.
You're entitled to your opinion of course, but why do you think you have the right to dictate what someone else does with their body?
Either government backs off, or they get right up in your life and start wiping your ass for you. Which would you prefer?

[AStudent]

If its God's will that a woman be raped and deliver a child, is it also God's will that fifteen million kids die from starvation every year?

[Williamsma]

If its God's will that a woman be raped and deliver a child, is it also God's will that fifteen million kids die from starvation every year?

I am not a slave to GOD, I am not forced to believe in GOD, but by free will I believe in GOD. It maybe GOD's will that no baby be aborted, no child left to die from starvation, but it is the free will of man that these things take place. Whether you like or not, the free will of man is GOD's will.

[ADillon]

Because its none of anyone's business.

Half the people on this site complain about the government is too big, too much into everyone's life, trying to tell the people how to live.
Well, you can't have it both ways., and there is no morality police like in Saudi Arabia.
You're entitled to your opinion of course, but why do you think you have the right to dictate what someone else does with their body?
Either government backs off, or they get right up in your life and start wiping your ass for you. Which would you prefer?

Thank you

[ADillon]

That last part, is very nearly the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

And thank you again, for saving me from having to respond to such an absurd comment

[corny]

I understand that mourdock didnt mean to imply that rape was gods will...... I dont think he knows what he means.

He is just another dolt who opened his mouth without thinking and he realizes that there is no way he can back away from the statement....so he is sticking to it.

What he did was try to jump on the abortion bandwagon.....which is a tool used by politicians to snag voters.... you are either pro abortion or anti abortion and its a hot topic.....and politicians for some reason continue to use it as a means to identify themselves with the voters.

This jackass couldnt come out with a statement like "I am against abortion under any circumstances, any circumstances, you got that"..... and just be done with it.....

He had to toss in additional commentary and thats what cost him.

He opened his mouth for just a second too long and didnt let his pea brain catch up to his politicians motor mouth......and he uttered that stuff about gods will without even thinking about what he was saying.

His political career should be over now.....not because of what he said.....but because he is just a dumbass.... we have enough dumbasses in politics and weeding these dullards out might help put us back on the road to stability.

[Six]

Because its none of anyone's business.


Half the people on this site complain about the government is too big, too much into everyone's life, trying to tell the people how to live.
Well, you can't have it both ways., and there is no morality police like in Saudi Arabia.
You're entitled to your opinion of course, but why do you think you have the right to dictate what someone else does with their body?
Either government backs off, or they get right up in your life and start wiping your ass for you. Which would you prefer?

It's not just her body anymore is it ? No now there are two beating hearts.

If I ran through a park clothes lining joggers with "my body", doing 15 yard running tackles on unsuspecting patrons in a shopping mall then what right does the govt have to tell me what I can and cant do with "my body "??

Wait you mean Ive broken the law becauae Ive delibrately injured another individual with my body ¿ Hell they will probablly even live through my hurling of "my body " at their person but still, I get to go to jail.

Abortion stops a human beating heart 100% of the time.

So woman have to be the ones to carry babies. So what, life's not fair but a liberals solution to an unwanted pregnancy is to murder the most innocent. To stop a human beating heart. Nice.

As far as paying for a womans pregnancy and pre-natal there are many young couples who want to adopt and who wpuld be happy to front the cost.

It happens all the time but unfortunately not enough.

[corny]

They should just give the death sentance for rape..... and of course stop this nonsense of 20 years of appeals for death row inmates. That would be a good solution in my opinion.

I believe the death penalty for violent crimes and swift executions would solve a lot of our problems...or at least some of them....

At least we could be thinning the herd a bit...... getting rid of the dregs of society.... I mean.... thats a good thing.

[Phrancis]

this was an asenine statement....

It's "asinine" guys! :whistle:

[barbar]

If rape or the effects is gods will, so then is abortion. So for those who choice to have an abortion, you need not fear the wrath of god.

God is timeless, no future, present or past, therefore what every happens is pre-determined. Or God is nothing more than an weak mans imaginary moral compass

[syndicated]

It's not just her body anymore is it ? No now there are two beating hearts.

If I ran through a park clothes lining joggers with "my body", doing 15 yard running tackles on unsuspecting patrons in a shopping mall then what right does the govt have to tell me what I can and cant do with "my body "??

Wait you mean Ive broken the law becauae Ive delibrately injured another individual with my body ¿ Hell they will probablly even live through my hurling of "my body " at their person but still, I get to go to jail.

Abortion stops a human beating heart 100% of the time.

So woman have to be the ones to carry babies. So what, life's not fair but a liberals solution to an unwanted pregnancy is to murder the most innocent. To stop a human beating heart. Nice.

As far as paying for a womans pregnancy and pre-natal there are many young couples who want to adopt and who wpuld be happy to front the cost.

It happens all the time but unfortunately not enough.

Why is it that only liberals can be pro-choice??? I'm certainly not a liberal, an yet here I am. Pro-choice! Weird.

Lets look at the facts, and try to keep jeebus and other religious nonsense out of it.
The human heart starts beating in a fetus around week 5. Before that, one could argue that no life exists. After that time, it becomes a symbiotic organism living within and from it host - the mother. The baby on its own cannot live if it were born prior to ~23 weeks or so. One could argue that during this time the baby is still not yet "alive" due to its inability to survive on its own.
You don't want to support abortion? Fine, that's your right. But don't act like the Saudis or the Taliban by telling other people how they have to live based on some book full of fairy tales!

It just seems hypocritical for Americans saying out of one side of their mouth that the country is the freest country on the planet, and on the other side you repress the basic right of choice.

[printer2]

It's not just her body anymore is it ? No now there are two beating hearts.

If I ran through a park clothes lining joggers with "my body", doing 15 yard running tackles on unsuspecting patrons in a shopping mall then what right does the govt have to tell me what I can and cant do with "my body "??

Wait you mean Ive broken the law becauae Ive delibrately injured another individual with my body ¿ Hell they will probablly even live through my hurling of "my body " at their person but still, I get to go to jail.

Abortion stops a human beating heart 100% of the time.

So woman have to be the ones to carry babies. So what, life's not fair but a liberals solution to an unwanted pregnancy is to murder the most innocent. To stop a human beating heart. Nice.

As far as paying for a womans pregnancy and pre-natal there are many young couples who want to adopt and who wpuld be happy to front the cost.

It happens all the time but unfortunately not enough.

So then is it OK before the little one has a heart developed? Is a morning after pill the same as stopping a heart? Where is the dividing line between a woman's body and the child?



syndicated, didn't read your post before I answered.

[printer2]

And that is the question that people have differences of opinion on. When does life start. Because we do not have a definite answer, it is open to opinion and one person's opinion is as valid as the next.

[syndicated]

And that is the question that people have differences of opinion on. When does life start. Because we do not have a definite answer, it is open to opinion and one person's opinion is as valid as the next.

It's really of no consequence when life starts before birth. Women have the burden (or blessing) of carrying the child before its born. Therefore it's their choice how on to proceed.
With the looming population problem and the countless babies born to unfit parents, abortion should be legal, dare I say encouraged in some places!

[syndicated]

Bump.
Due to the dummy neo-cons starting their own logic-less thread on the same topic.

[madhat]

I guess she should marry her rapist too. We can't have a bunch of unwed mothers running around, that are "breeding more criminals" and threatened to destroy America from within.