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glennac
09-21-2012, 07:50 PM
We need a moratorium on all immigration. Our true unemployment is estimated to be 23%. So why should we allow any immigrants legal or illegal to come to the US. One of two things will happen for every immigrant coming to the US.

He or she will either take a job away from an American citizen, get one which would go to a citizen or go on welfare and both are bad for all of us.

We currently have 40 million legal immigrants living in the US now. 500,000 came to the US in 2011. We sure don't need anymore with an estimated 60 million Americans who can'f find a job.

We of course could make a special exemption for a few scientists, millionaires, etc. to immigrate who would help our economy not hurt it. It is not just the illegals because they are much smaller in number but we need to stop all immigrants both legal and illegal. Thank you, thank you very much



http://www.opednews.com/articles/Real-Unemployment-at-23--by-Michael-Collins-120909-358.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States

coolwhip
09-21-2012, 08:01 PM
Cheers!

Tech Rob
09-21-2012, 08:04 PM
SOUND THE ALARMS!!! I AGREE WITH GLENNAC!!!

lol

We have enough tired, poor, hungry, and downtrodden. Don't bring them to us anymore. Illegals must be rounded up and sent packing back to whatever 3rd world toilet they crawled from. The government needs to institute some serious quality control on immigrants and pay attention to what kind of people they are letting in. Are they highly intelligent and skilled producers (could be from any nation, but preferably from nations that share US values), or leeches who will not adapt to a modern and civilized (relatively speaking, anyway) society and send all of their money back to durkadurkastan?

Jingle Scott
09-21-2012, 09:29 PM
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe... What's that? We're full? Sorry folks we're closing up shop! Shoulda got here earlier."

Tool-Slinger
09-21-2012, 10:00 PM
We need a moratorium on all immigration. Our true unemployment is estimated to be 23%. So why should we allow any immigrants legal or illegal to come to the US. One of two things will happen for every immigrant coming to the US.

He or she will either take a job away from an American citizen, get one which would go to a citizen or go on welfare and both are bad for all of us.

We currently have 40 million legal immigrants living in the US now. 500,000 came to the US in 2011. We sure don't need anymore with an estimated 60 million Americans who can'f find a job.

We of course could make a special exemption for a few scientists, millionaires, etc. to immigrate who would help our economy not hurt it. It is not just the illegals because they are much smaller in number but we need to stop all immigrants both legal and illegal. Thank you, thank you very much



http://www.opednews.com/articles/Real-Unemployment-at-23--by-Michael-Collins-120909-358.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States

I would give exception to husbands/wives/children. And go after the illegals with sirens and chains, but I say worker visas out for now. And no new immigrants.

-80guru
09-21-2012, 10:13 PM
So doctors who can treat eye cancer are out? Scientists finding cures for cancer and other ilnesses are out? The educated are out? The ones who believe in the american way are out? Come on the rethoric is a bit too simple minded. Yeah for legal immigration, get a grip on illegal immigration and I would not be against some emigration of some americans ( tongue in cheek).

Tool-Slinger
09-21-2012, 10:33 PM
So doctors who can treat eye cancer are out? Scientists finding cures for cancer and other ilnesses are out? The educated are out? The ones who believe in the american way are out? Come on the rethoric is a bit too simple minded. Yeah for legal immigration, get a grip on illegal immigration and I would not be against some emigration of some americans ( tongue in cheek).

In the OP Glenn already made exceptions for great contributors.

corny
09-22-2012, 07:52 PM
Back in the old days....... americans would tell business to hire only americans and if they didnt then people would burn the business to the ground or go after the business owner or his family.

Now we sit and whine on the internet.

Our ancestors are probably all wondering what happened to the real americans and who are these lookalikes that replaced them.

Tool-Slinger
09-22-2012, 08:02 PM
Back in the old days....... americans would tell business to hire only americans and if they didnt then people would burn the business to the ground or go after the business owner or his family.

Now we sit and whine on the internet.

Our ancestors are probably all wondering what happened to the real americans and who are these lookalikes that replaced them.

I doubt that. Never happened.

You may have some instance of unions degrading immigrants or KKK Klub degradin blacks historically. But it is a non-reality.

Pete838
09-22-2012, 09:19 PM
There's an anti-immigration advocacy group called NumbersUSA. You can use their site to send free faxes to your congress critters and keep up with the news on everything immigration. They don't just go after Mexicans, either. They don't want any immigration until the USA is turned around.

corny
09-22-2012, 10:04 PM
Free faxes to a congress critter..... Id say congress handles their mail like the big time tv preachers do.... they open the envelope...scan it for cash or checks.....and everything else goes in the trash without being even glanced at.

Pete838
09-23-2012, 12:14 AM
I don't expect my one letter to change anyone's mind...but several hundred or thousand letters and phone calls on one issue gets their attention and can sway a vote unless your particular critter is über ideologically bound to an issue. They all want to be reelected.

Did you see how quickly SOPA/PIPA died when people picked up the phone or emailed or wrote a letter? Why do you think Obama is back dooring the DREAM act? Because people got pissed and let congress know and they killed it.

exreo
09-23-2012, 08:22 PM
Free faxes to a congress critter..... Id say congress handles their mail like the big time tv preachers do.... they open the envelope...scan it for cash or checks.....and everything else goes in the trash without being even glanced at.

Haha, you funny guy. I don't think what you say is true, but it is funny. You forgot to mention that you will be put on their mailing list for at least a year.

exreo
09-23-2012, 08:33 PM
Pat Buchanan wanted a 5-year moratorium on immigration when he ran for president in 2000. He got less than 5% of the vote. We don't have a strong sense of nationalism in America anymore IMHO. I think killing 50 million of our own people before they are even born has a lot to do with it. As an American, how do you all like having that chain hanging around your neck?

jbcrane
09-23-2012, 08:56 PM
Back in the old days....... americans would tell business to hire only americans and if they didnt then people would burn the business to the ground or go after the business owner or his family.

Now we sit and whine on the internet.

Our ancestors are probably all wondering what happened to the real americans and who are these lookalikes that replaced them.

What happened is they put fluoride in the water. And Hitlers used the chemical in his concentration camps to calm all the prisoners.

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bigshad
12-15-2012, 11:45 AM
Immigration to us should be very calculated and should be through proper channel.Restricted entry should be allowed as the immigrants surly add value to our economy.australia investment visa (http://www.significantinvestorvisa.com.au/)

bigshad
12-15-2012, 11:46 AM
Immigration to us should be very calculated and should be through proper channel.Restricted entry should be allowed as the immigrants surly add value to our economy.

wolfstrike
12-15-2012, 06:17 PM
Here's the cold hard facts that no one wants to hear.

Our American government, is far more likely, to show up at your house with some unconstitutional Federal military group, KICK YOU OUT OF IT, ...and hand it to some illegal, before they will ever consider making restrictions on illegal immigrants.

This government has REPEATEDLY made one anti-American action after another.

...and the best part is, every two years you people say "job well done" and re-elect a Republican or Democrat.
You vote for people who hate your guts.

i don't vote for those guys, it aint my baby.

AStudent
12-15-2012, 06:40 PM
The sad part about it is that the jobs immigrants are doing would probably be left empty....Americans don't want to do the nitty gritty work anymore.

Was our country not founded by immigrants? Were our cities not built by people from elsewhere who were in search of the American dream? It would be a shame to do away with something embedded so deep in our culture that it defines us.

Granted illegal immigration should not be tolerated.... legal immigrants are and always have been the building blocks of America.

Tool-Slinger
12-15-2012, 06:48 PM
The sad part about it is that the jobs immigrants are doing would probably be left empty....Americans don't want to do the nitty gritty work anymore.

Was our country not founded by immigrants? Were our cities not built by people from elsewhere who were in search of the American dream? It would be a shame to do away with something embedded so deep in our culture that it defines us.

Granted illegal immigration should not be tolerated.... legal immigrants are and always have been the building blocks of America.

Agreed we should welcome useful immigrants. Unlike Obama's welfare aunt and drunk-driver uncle. Repeated deportation violators.

wolfstrike
12-15-2012, 09:56 PM
"Americans don't want to do the nitty gritty work anymore"

try to purge yourself of the brainwashing.

i see people working in Walmart and fast food places , now, who don't look like they belong there.

i doubt that was their chosen career choice

AStudent
12-15-2012, 11:52 PM
"Americans don't want to do the nitty gritty work anymore"

try to purge yourself of the brainwashing.

i see people working in Walmart and fast food places , now, who don't look like they belong there.

i doubt that was their chosen career choice

You know darn good and well what I meant by nitty gritty.... flipping burgers may be low but they are definitely not nitty gritty.....pumped a septic tank lately?

Someone got the bright idea that college graduates should be paid more....and that is why we have no backbreaking laborers anymore... who wants to get paid less on top of destroying their body?

Knowing that your body won't be broken by age 30 should be compensation enough for going to college.

Pete838
12-16-2012, 09:09 AM
You know darn good and well what I meant by nitty gritty.... flipping burgers may be low but they are definitely not nitty gritty.....pumped a septic tank lately?

Someone got the bright idea that college graduates should be paid more....and that is why we have no backbreaking laborers anymore... who wants to get paid less on top of destroying their body?

Knowing that your body won't be broken by age 30 should be compensation enough for going to college.
Put a halt to the gravy train and Americans would do the work. We have waaaay too many government programs that shield the lazy from the pain of unemployment. Take away benefits for people that live off of the system and those jobs would be filled rather quickly. Sorry, but if you don't have a trade or a degree you probably won't get a job with an office and an expense account.

Farm labor, nursery work, lawn care, hospitality, construction; all these industries are full of legal and illegal immigrant labor. We don't "need" immigrants to get the jobs done. We need the lazy to get off their asses and do the work and participate in the economy.

printer2
12-16-2012, 12:13 PM
"Americans don't want to do the nitty gritty work anymore"

try to purge yourself of the brainwashing.

i see people working in Walmart and fast food places , now, who don't look like they belong there.

i doubt that was their chosen career choice

We have a few meat packing plants here that are almost totally maned by new immigrants. Actually the companies arranged with the government to get them in here. The reason they have the jobs and were wanted is because they work cheap. I had relatives work in a meatpacking plant years ago and some people I work with now came from those plants. It was hard work but it paid a reasonable wage and you could bring up a family on it. The companies said they could not compete with U.S. plants and they cut the wage for the older workers and the newer workers were to be paid just a bit over minimum wage. The union was told take it or we will close the plant.

Well the older workers have moved on ore are retired and now the plants are run with immigrants making less an hour now than was paid 20 years ago. And they don't say boo to anyone as they know what they have is much better than what they came from and they know they have little other option given that they are uneducated and unskilled. Basically they are doing it for their kids to have a future in this land, they are sacrificing themselves for the good of their kids. Shame the companies could not pay better and the factory jobs were seen as something proud to have as in the past rather than being the bottom of the barrel.

wolfstrike
12-17-2012, 06:25 AM
Americans will take any job that pays money.

These companies get away with immigrants minimum wage for hard work because of economic conditions.
What might be crap pay to you isn't crap pay in Mexico, some of these guys send their money back home to pay for ranches that are larger than anything you own in America.
Most decide to rough it out for low wages because being broke in America is better than being broke in crap Mexico.

These companies pay Mexico wages and sell their products for American premiums.

The whole this is morally corrupt, if they can't attract Americans to work for them then they need to be out of business.

Let's call their bluff.
Let's see if they go out of business if they need to hire American workers.
If they threaten to leave the country, they i would say "good, you're not going to sell one piece of crap in this country."

Let's see how fast companies want to be separated from their biggest market.


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There was a case in a border town where a company fired all of their black and white farm workers and replaced them with Mexican workers.
The town opperates in Spanish now.

When Wynn built his hotel in Las Vegas, he was bragging on the radio that he staffed the whole thing with immigrants from Ethiopia.
No American whites, blacks, or any local Hispanics.

These examples show this issue was a racial conspiracy from the left since day one.

The largest expense companies have is from tax and regulations from the money raiding government

Gib's Son
12-17-2012, 09:05 AM
My neighbor is one of the largest fruit growers in the valley. When economic times were good he could barely get any help because all the illegals/ legals took jobs in the construction trades. When times got bad (enough) he had browns and whites knocking on his door during harvest.