Is anyone using a tool belt for HVAC work?

[hvacrjones]

I went for training with a factory rep. today to get certified to install corn fired furnaces and boilers. The rep unlike myself used a tool belt and seemed to work extremely efficiently compared to myself and my tool bag. We started at 6am and were done retrofitting a furnace and a boiler by 7pm including quite a bit of work setting up secondary systems that made the use of corn more convenient.

I know some of his efficiency was due to knowing the equipment that we were installing. But I have had some reservations lately with the trend of my bag collecting more tools and it doesn’t distribute the weight vary well so on those jobs that have long hikes and attics I have been loosing some of my liking for the bag. Also I find a way to loose a screwdriver or something at least every other month.

I would appreciate your thoughts and experiences

He was using something like this

http://www.clccustomleathercraft.com/prod/lg/51609.jpg

[Edited by hvacrjones on 09-12-2006 at 02:50 AM]

[neophytes serendipity]

I like Occidental Leather Products http://www.bestbelt.com

I have their "beltless framer" setup.

Yes, they are expensive, but I have had mine for over 5 years now and it is very comfortable. Their drill holsters are available in right and left hand versions.

The only problem I have had is from the hooks used to clip the suspenders to the belt. The belt loops are steel and the hooks are pot metal, so the hooks wear out. Occidental sent me new hardware for free. I found a saddle shop to make some changes to the rear hooks because those were riveted on- so now they loop through clips like the fronts. Now I use brass hooks and they last much longer.

I also have a bag, but common stuff is in the belt. I take stuff out depending on the task.

[dec]

Been using a leather tool belt for years. The first one lasted about 21 years before it started falling apart ..... hated to get rid of it but it was shot.

The one I use is not really big and has no room for meters but it does carry the common things I need. Had a friend that had a real nice setup with some real big service pouches that were divided up a lot better then anything I have seen out there, not just big pouches like a carpenter has. His van got broken into and they were history. He never did find anything close to being as nice as they were.

Maybe its just me but I havnt really seen anything in a pouch that I would rather use over my tool belt ..... it might just be that I stick with what Im use to, force of habit.

[Irishmist]

When I was in the field (back when dinosaurs roamed the earth) I always used a belt with pouch. It was a webbed belt (military type) with a leather pouch. I never thought of doing it any other way, and the 'buckets' etc. had not really come into the picture yet.

I think it is unrealistic to think you can carry every single item you may need at one time, so with the tool belt, I was able to carry virtually all the hand tools I would need. I was also able to carry amprobe.

If I needed a drill, or something to that effect, then of course I would carry it separately. Really made it nice having both hands free to work, and not having to 'lug' around anything else.

I have seen service men use the canvas tool bags, and although they look great, the majority I have seen have not been very well organized. I also found there to be a lot of 'junk' that accumulates in the bottom of them.

Sometimes, if the environment warranted it, I would carry my belt and pouch instead of wearing it. (close quarters, climbing around attic, etc.)

I very seldom 'lost' any tools, surprisingly enough.

Funny how I get calls from customers, saying "your service tech was here yesterday and he left his meter, crescent wrench, etc." Seems I would always hear about this from the customer; never the tech! hmmmmm.

I would say whatever works best for that individual is what is best for them; belted or otherwise.

Oh yeah, in the 'good old days' we didn't have those suspender thingys, just good strong backs!

Hmmmm, I wonder if that is why I 'list' to the right?

all the best, John.

[royc]

I have used a tool belt for so long cant remember when I started...40 years??

I used to get a real nice leather one from Scottys but since they no longer exist, could not find the same type.

But, I found a nice pouch at Lowes, its an electrician type, cant remeber the exact wording, but is the best non-leather type I have found so far.

The reason I like to use a pouch is for several reasons. It keeps your hands clear for other things like clipboard, parts etc. Same when you have to climb up in to attics or rooftops. I pretty much have enough tools in there to do most all repairs.

Roy

[oloenneker]

For install and new construction I use a boulder bag...

http://www.boulderbag.com/jpgs/ULT104.jpg

http://www.boulderbag.com/

Its the electricans model, but they make a bag that is aimed at HVAC (Tinknockers though mostly)

Just add a Screwgun holster and some suspenders, and you have a pretty reliable and rugged bag set up. I have used the boulder bag now for a few years sice my Occidental Nylon ones ripped apart. The boulder bags seem way more durable than the Occidental nylon ones...

[amickracing]

When I did commercial jobs I used a sears tool belt (the kind where you buy everything seperate). I had a hammer loop, 2 bag/pouches (dunno what variety), a drill holester and sometimes I'd also clip on one of those J-hook looking things. Also would never be with out the suspenders either. If nothing else they made it way easier to put on.

Since most of our houses we do are fairly small I don't wear it anymore, I just carry a tool bag http://www.amickracing.com/hvac/main-bag-full.jpg .

If I get on a bigger job I'll still dig out the old belt, but it's very rare. More often than not you only need a couple tools at any one time, and those usually fit nicely on the ladder. In the commercial stuff though, since you worked on lifts, ladders, and in huge buildings lugging a bag around for the common stuff wouldn't work so well.

Most guys I know around here that do resi work (average house's not monsters) don't wear a belt. For service I don't recall ever seeing anyone wearing one.

[psychometric]

Just a typical electrician's tool pouch. The basics for a service call, allen's, 4 nut drivers, 2 screw drivers, control drivers, couple wrenches... keep it simple and light.

[hvacrjones]

control drivers? lost me on this one

Thanks for everyones responces Im in the thought process now of cutting down from the one heavy bag 40-45 lbs to a tool belt / pouch hopfuly 20 lb max but also dont want to end up making 1000000000 trips back to the truck. Ill see about posting what i end up with

[alpha480v]

Originally posted by psychometric
Just a typical electrician's tool pouch. The basics for a service call, allen's, 4 nut drivers, 2 screw drivers, control drivers, couple wrenches... keep it simple and light.


This is what I do. Toolbag for bigger jobs.

[R12rules]

the best guys I worked with used a tool belt slung over their shoulder.

Myself, I have a bag simular to amiracing, only it's "mo-stuffed". :D

a slot for everything and EVERYTHING is in there... somewhere :)

[herrerao]

I do installation and I use an electrical bag on my dewalt belt and the drill hoist works good.

[corny]

Originally posted by hvacrjones
control drivers? lost me on this one

really small screwdriver......lol

~:>

[oloenneker]

Originally posted by corny

Originally posted by hvacrjones
control drivers? lost me on this one

really small screwdriver......lol

~:>

Like the free ones you get from the supply houses, with a schrader remover on the other end?!

Thats a new name for them, I have also heard them called a "tech" screwddriver...

[icyflame]

I've used toolbelts for years also. I keep one setup with my primary service tools. All my backups and secondaries tools are in a toolbox. I have a toolbelt and suspenders setup for installs and all my backups and secondaries installation tools in a big toolbox. Toolbelts add alot of convenience to both jobs. It looks professional on service calls. :D

[wannafreeze]

I use a light weight cart with two milk crates mounted on it.(top one`s bottom is cut out)I go to every call with it.I got my droplight,leak detector,cordless drill,knee pad,gauges attached to it with hooks.put the nitro tank,chemical pump,tool box ,soap boble detector,two sizes of three in one starter in it,hook the freon tank to it.I can throw a 4 foot ladder on it too.except roof tops I can go anywhere with it.In my tool box I have more than my hand tools.Including an ultrasonic detector.I can do a compressor replacing job with one trip only.I didn`t see one new customer that wasn`t impressed with my entry to his place fully equipped like that.I don`t care if I have to park far from the store I service I am not carrying anything .about my knee pad:from home depot I bought a square of this restaurant mat that is thick and has holes on it.the common black mat.cut it in half(two squares) on one piece attached a crafsman knee pad I found from sears.it saved my knees.I use it on the floor,on top of WIB.etc.
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[icyflame]

Originally posted by wannafreeze
I use a light weight cart with two milk crates mounted on it.(top one`s bottom is cut out)I go to every call with it.I got my droplight,leak detector,cordless drill,knee pad,gauges attached to it with hooks.put the nitro tank,chemical pump,tool box ,soap boble detector,two sizes of three in one starter in it,hook the freon tank to it.I can throw a 4 foot ladder on it too.except roof tops I can go anywhere with it.In my tool box I have more than my hand tools.Including an ultrasonic detector.I can do a compressor replacing job with one trip only.I didn`t see one new customer that wasn`t impressed with my entry to his place fully equipped like that.I don`t care if I have to park far from the store I service I am not carrying anything .about my knee pad:from home depot I bought a square of this restaurant mat that is thick and has holes on it.the common black mat.cut it in half(two squares) on one piece attached a crafsman knee pad I found from sears.it saved my knees.I use it on the floor,on top of WIB.etc.
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can you post a picture; I would like to see it! :D

[wannafreeze]

Originally posted by icyflame

Originally posted by wannafreeze
I use a light weight cart with two milk crates mounted on it.(top one`s bottom is cut out)I go to every call with it.I got my droplight,leak detector,cordless drill,knee pad,gauges attached to it with hooks.put the nitro tank,chemical pump,tool box ,soap boble detector,two sizes of three in one starter in it,hook the freon tank to it.I can throw a 4 foot ladder on it too.except roof tops I can go anywhere with it.In my tool box I have more than my hand tools.Including an ultrasonic detector.I can do a compressor replacing job with one trip only.I didn`t see one new customer that wasn`t impressed with my entry to his place fully equipped like that.I don`t care if I have to park far from the store I service I am not carrying anything .about my knee pad:from home depot I bought a square of this restaurant mat that is thick and has holes on it.the common black mat.cut it in half(two squares) on one piece attached a crafsman knee pad I found from sears.it saved my knees.I use it on the floor,on top of WIB.etc.
.

can you post a picture; I would like to see it! :D
I thought of doing it.I have blue tooth.But I have no idea how to put a picture here.Let me work on it.its about time I learned it.

[jtrouse]

I've always used a toolbelt. It usually gets put on when I clock in, off for lunch, on after lunch, and off when I clock out. I also have a couple of tote bags sorta pre-loaded for certain jobs. Like one with bigger wrenches and pullers for larger pulley/blower work, like on 10-50 ton AC splits. And another for brazing jobs. etc.
Up on a ladder with a toolbelt I can keep my eyes on the work, reach back with the one hand and get the 3/8" nut driver or smaller phillips by touch, without having to turn around and look for it. It also is easy to do a quick tool review before leaving each spot when I use a toolbelt. But in crowded places, I'll often carry the toolbelt in and hang it up near the work spot; or I'll just load a small tote bag from my toolbelt and carry the tote bag in. I don't have to drive around doing service calls so I don't have to have to keep taking the toolbelt off and on getting in and out of the truck like most of you guys would have to. In the facility I work for, I just walk from my shop/tool room to the job spot. I also use various rolling carts and platforms to help carry more stuff.

[bdclark]

http://www.promechanics.com/websales/695.htm

I've never really used one, but I know someone who has/does and these seem to balance out the weight. Not alot of openings for those little unexpected "droppings of tools" to oocur. Nice to sling over both shoulders. one shoulder, or carry in your hands. They also allow you to move alot easier. Space limitations would be about the only drawback....as well as cost.

[Richard Kletty]

Bag for service belt for installs and both for change outs.

You've pretty much have to have a belt for installs. 25 ft up in and attic on a new house for sure. Unless you wanna go up and down and back up a million times.

Richard

[Freezeking2000]

Originally posted by R12rules
the best guys I worked with used a tool belt slung over their shoulder


I guess this is why I have a belt slung over my shoulder .........hmmmmm!

[Dowadudda]

I am in the process of taking my veto pro pack and making that the "serious" job bag, and then going back to the troubleshooting ith the tool belt over the shoulder

[cg2]

Originally posted by hvacrjones
I went for training with a factory rep. today to get certified to install corn fired furnaces and boilers. The rep unlike myself used a tool belt and seemed to work extremely efficiently compared to myself and my tool bag. We started at 6am and were done retrofitting a furnace and a boiler by 7pm including quite a bit of work setting up secondary systems that made the use of corn more convenient.

I know some of his efficiency was due to knowing the equipment that we were installing. But I have had some reservations lately with the trend of my bag collecting more tools and it doesn’t distribute the weight vary well so on those jobs that have long hikes and attics I have been loosing some of my liking for the bag. Also I find a way to loose a screwdriver or something at least every other month.

I would appreciate your thoughts and experiences

He was using something like this

http://www.clccustomleathercraft.com/prod/lg/51609.jpg

[Edited by hvacrjones on 09-12-2006 at 02:50 AM]

Im not secure enough with my own masculinity to wear something that looks that gay!

[rookie 19]

Iv'e used tools belts there great for wraping around lifts so you don't have to bend over all the time.

I bought mine whent he comp decided to ship me off south for a couple of weeks. Loved it since

[duct dr]

I use a tool belt for all my new construction jobs. But I use tool bags and electricians pouch for everything else. Tool bag on new construction is a major time saver.

[wannafreeze]

Originally posted by icyflame

Originally posted by wannafreeze
I use a light weight cart with two milk crates mounted on it.(top one`s bottom is cut out)I go to every call with it.I got my droplight,leak detector,cordless drill,knee pad,gauges attached to it with hooks.put the nitro tank,chemical pump,tool box ,soap boble detector,two sizes of three in one starter in it,hook the freon tank to it.I can throw a 4 foot ladder on it too.except roof tops I can go anywhere with it.In my tool box I have more than my hand tools.Including an ultrasonic detector.I can do a compressor replacing job with one trip only.I didn`t see one new customer that wasn`t impressed with my entry to his place fully equipped like that.I don`t care if I have to park far from the store I service I am not carrying anything .about my knee pad:from home depot I bought a square of this restaurant mat that is thick and has holes on it.the common black mat.cut it in half(two squares) on one piece attached a crafsman knee pad I found from sears.it saved my knees.I use it on the floor,on top of WIB.etc.
.

can you post a picture; I would like to see it! :D
i posted it on this thread:
http://www.hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?postid=1299653#post1299653

[johnl]

http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84552444328 4886&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1408474396672979&bmUID=1165468722087

Hopefully that link works. I bought this Clip Tech kit a couple months ago and it works great. I bought 2 complete kits, i have my tools separated with one pouch having my basic hand tools, one with refrigeration tools, one with electrical stuff and one with tin tools. I have a large duffle bag that holds everything and when i get to a job, i throw on the tool belt and clip on the pouches that i will need. This way i have everything i need but not 50lbs of crap that i dont. There is also a drill holster that clips on to the belt as well. My last tool bag was a veto pro pack that weighed about as much as a small car. the thing i liked about it was that if it tipped my tools werent all over the place but using the duffle bag setup i have does the same for me in that respect.

[heatingguy79]

Well I have am husky tool pouch for my installs and a small electrician pouch with strap for my service i find it works good as long as the other guy working with you don't grab the one your not using and loose half the tools out of it . That drives me crazy someone using tools and not returning them !! I have and old red tool box with tools I have found on roofs crawls ect I throw them in the box and if anyone needs a tool thats where I tell them to get it from. that way if they don't return it i don't loose my good set . Lol