vacum setup

[timetable15]

299811
just purchased setup about a month ago used 5 times all down to 500 microns within 5 min and down to 300 within 15 min well worth the money

[drife678]

LOOK AT ALL THOSE GIZMOS... tell me more please.

[matt1124]

I like that case.

[valdelocc]

299811
just purchased setup about a month ago used 5 times all down to 500 microns within 5 min and down to 300 within 15 min well worth the money
I dont need it cause I get paid by the hour:grin2:

[timetable15]

yellow jacket makes the setup the tree with the gauge mounts to the vacuum pump two 3/8 by 1/4 hoses go from the tree to the core removal tools and the 3rd 1/4 hose goes from the extra tapping on the side of the core removal tool for the micron gauge.
micron gauge is fieldpiece also have my nitro regulator and flush kit in there so there not bouncing around somewhere else

[timetable15]

I dont need it cause I get paid by the hour:grin2:

i dont and like knowing the job is done right

[timetable15]

cases by source
check them out they have everything you could possibly need reasonably priced too

[Jared Fetter]

Not sure there is a better kit on the market than this (http://www.trutechtools.com/RapidEvac)with a Bluvac.

[timetable15]

Havent used the bluevac everybody raves about it on here my supplier carries fieldpiece and yellow jacket i try to buy my tools from them cause there is no hassle when there is a problem haven't had much luck buying stuff over the internet and besides the micron gauge its a tree with hoses

[hvaclover]

Too many connections for me...possibility of a leak increases with more connections. This is not new information either. Any old refer guy like many on this forum will agree that the lack of connection points was a Gospel we all practiced back in the day as well as now.

Better to go with a combination 1/2 and 3/8 tee off the vacuum pump with CRTs and vacuum hoses with Nylog to keep the possibility of leaks to an absolute minimum.

Even the use of Nylog is not a new idea...before I switched to Nylog use, refer dogs were coating threaded vacuum connection with Deep Vacuum Grease. You can still buy this grease, but Nylog seems to be the better choice since both formulations (Red and Blue) are miscible with their intended refer oils and wont contaminate the system

[timetable15]

Hvaclover in the vacuum setup there is two core removal tools like u said two 3/8 by 1/4 vacuum hoses and a tree that tree is a solid piece of brass it has one more connection for the gauge at the top than a 1/2 by 3/8 tee so i dont get what your saying by all the extra connections
I just ordered the nylog for the fittings i definitely agree with that
I dont use the tee on the vacuum gauge i remove it and i run a 1/4 vacuum hose to the core removal tool

[hvaclover]

Hvaclover in the vacuum setup there is two core removal tools like u said two 3/8 by 1/4 vacuum hoses and a tree that tree is a solid piece of brass it has one more connection for the gauge at the top than a 1/2 by 3/8 tee so i dont get what your saying by all the extra connections
I just ordered the nylog for the fittings i definitely agree with that
I dont use the tee on the vacuum gauge i remove it and i run a 1/4 vacuum hose to the core removal tool

You have the tree and gauge connection. And the two ball valves. The hose connections (where they connect to the tree body) I have been informed by different authoritative source could be a problem.

The tee has only two connections. Using CRTs with evac hoses means you have a lot less potential for leaks.

Don't forget that tree is easy to bump against something and bend it, also. And the tree gives you another set of gaskets to worry about.

[timetable15]

Ya i hear on bumping it thats why i got the case it goes on the pump and right off into the case if the tree becomes a problem i will get the tee fitting you are talking about but so far down to 300 no problem valve off at crt and holds like a champ and that is without using nylog
Ill let u know if the nylog makes a big difference

[hvaclover]

I think you may find it does. I was extremely doubtful it would work as stated, but man, i got 130 micron vacs on my BluVac with Nylog.

And in my over thirty years experience in using a vacuum tube thermistor micron gauge, the BlueVac delivers the same performance but in a smaller package.

When you get the chance try one out...I am still stoked over the performance of my BluVac and I have only had it since this July.

I also own a JB DV22 n which is my second fav micron gauge and a JB DV 40 Supernova..cant tell you a thing about it cause its still sitting in the case unused. ;).

Had a QVC moment this summer and bought a boat load of extra HVAC test instruments I'll probably never use.

After thirty years in this trade I guess a guy is allowed at least one moment of insane buying sprees. :)

[timetable15]

Ya everybody keeps talking about the bluevac maybe next big job ill buy it and compare it against the fieldpiece
Thanx for the input and what tee fitting should i ask for so i can compare that against the vacuum tree

[hvaclover]

Actually they are standard plumbing fitting.
3/8 male SAE by 3/8 male SAE by 1/2 MPT (or what ever your pump in take size is)

I'll get a link if I can.

[hvaclover]

try this link http://www.fastenal.com/web/products/detail.ex?sku=67497&ucst=t

[timetable15]

Thx appreciate the knowledge
Knowledge equals $$$$$

[jpsmith1cm]

First of all, weird picture, man. Looks heavily photoshopped. Almost looks like the picture was assembled with photos taken from the web and shopped into a gun case. Not saying that you don't actually have the tools, but weird picture.


Anyway, where was I?

Oh, yeah.

I'm with hvaclover on this. Less fittings, less leaks. Less leaks, faster, deeper, better evacuation.

I did a DIY 'tree' on my last vacuum pump and it worked great. Couple brass pipe fittings from Lowes and some pipe dope. Took about 15 minutes from concept to execution, including the walk through Lowes. A little thought and a BIG wrench...

Nylog is great stuff. Ive heard of, but never tried the deep vac grease. Maxi-vac?


Glad to hear that you are liking the BluVac, clover. It is a heck of a micron gauge. It can make you question your sanity

[timetable15]

Believe me the tools are real maybe if i even thought twice about the comment i would retake it and show a receipt
Maybe it was the lighting and definitely would not waste the time to photoshopped the pic
Cases by source that were the case was bought than cut the foam out myself

[karl k]

I think it looked shopped because of the light colored marker that was used to trace where the foam would be removed. It's still on the foam, making it look like the tools are outlined.


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Please excuse me if my post looks like it was typed by a teenager. It was sent from my phone.

[timetable15]

Yes i used a silver sharpie to trace the tools

[270wsm]

Actually they are standard plumbing fitting.
3/8 male SAE by 3/8 male SAE by 1/2 MPT (or what ever your pump in take size is)

I'll get a link if I can.

I have not been able to find one for my yellow jacket. Mine is 3/4 NPT instead of 1/2

[hvaclover]

I have not been able to find one for my yellow jacket. Mine is 3/4 NPT instead of 1/2

They have them.

call yellow jacket and get the plumbing prt number. Than shop the plumbing supply sites.

better yet call the internet site and describe what you need.

I am a little reluctant to to confess I don't know the plumbing terminology.

[hvaclover]

Heh, TELL me about questioning my sanity over getting
accustomed to the bluvac!

My old Robinaire analog Robinaire never acted that way.

I pulled a vacuum on a twenty lb co2 tank and at irst it went down fast to 800 mics and stayed there for a while.

Then the damn thing shot up to 50k mics. Had me scratching my head. I waited and as i suspected there was a lot of co2 that flashed off towards the end of the evacuation.

My final evac was 700 mics and I charged the tank with Bone Dry. I must say that blue vac take a beating.

While I was away from Talk I went on an insane instrument buying binge. I got stuff I will never use but it's still fun to own.

Remind me to send you a link on the new Amprobe I bought from TTT. I saw YouTroll's (Eddy Leverrich) video and I immediately bought the meter. Measures watss, Hz, DC and AC amps. Class IV and class IIi voltage rating.

The thing is great!

[jpsmith1cm]

I have not been able to find one for my yellow jacket. Mine is 3/4 NPT instead of 1/2



Pull the fitting, then go to plumbing/hardware store and match is what I did.

I think mine was 3/4, too. Lowes had it.

[hvaclover]

I'd thought of thought too, but when I bought one from HD, the pipe threads just didn't seem right..Chink made of course.

Just didn't want to take a chance on cross threading the pumpm intake.

Some take NPT and others take MPT. So you have to be care ful on what you buy.

I got my one of my tees from Fastenal and it cost 2.99.

I talked to a local vac pump servicer and got my sizes straight before I took the plunge. You cross thread the the in take you are in for some expensive OEM parts

[MechAcc]

And from the replies you may find that there are things that you may want to add and others that you'll remove.

Way to XL.

[MechAcc]

You very may well consider adding:

Nylog

Small bottle of denatured alcohol to clean sensor

[timetable15]

Ya i order the nylog and keep the alcohol in the truck i clean the sensor every couple of uses

[jpsmith1cm]

I'd thought of thought too, but when I bought one from HD, the pipe threads just didn't seem right..Chink made of course.

Just didn't want to take a chance on cross threading the pumpm intake.

Some take NPT and others take MPT. So you have to be care ful on what you buy.

I got my one of my tees from Fastenal and it cost 2.99.

I talked to a local vac pump servicer and got my sizes straight before I took the plunge. You cross thread the the in take you are in for some expensive OEM parts

I ran the fitting in with some sealant on the threads.

[hvaclover]

You very may well consider adding:

Nylog

Small bottle of denatured alcohol to clean sensor

good point. I didn't mention i have a bottle of 91% isopropyl
alcohol ( common rubbing alcohol ) that I use to clean my sensor in my all three of my micron gauges.

Most instructions indicate 70% alcohol...dont use it. The remaining 30% is water.

If you dont blow out your micron gauge with dry nitro, compressed air or Bone Dry co2, you rust the sensor with the higher water content on the cheap 70% alcohol.

FWI for those who aren't in the know: 91% isopropyl is available super cheap at most drug stores.

To clean your micron gauge use an eye dropper and fill the inlet about 2/3 or 7/8 full.

Place thumb over inlet opening and shake vigorously and then drain alcohol.

Repeat three or four times and blow out in the aforementioned manner.

Or you can allow the gauge to air dry for two hours. If you insist on using 70% Isopropyl then a dry gas purge is mandatory.

This may be common knowledge to some or most but it is worth mentioning.

[hvaclover]

I ran the fitting in with some sealant on the threads.

In my case I got the tee that had OEM specs. My pump guy said on to use OEM O rings(no sealant) which he sent me gratis.

Like I said, check your OEM specs first! I have a Robinair 15600 6 CFM. Other mfg are different.


Got one small prob..my pump oil is migrating in to my 1/2" evac hoses...got a bad check valve.

[timetable15]

It's isopropyl that i use that what fieldpiece said to use to clean it

[jpsmith1cm]

On the topic of moisture content of alcohol....

After cleaning the micron sensor, wouldn't it be wise to install it on your vacuum pump and run the pump?

Would seem to me to be a quick and effective way to dry the sensor out.

Of course, you run the risk of contaminating it with oil right after you cleaned it...


Hmmm.

Thoughts?

:hijacked:

[timetable15]

From the instructions on fieldpiece gauge after cleaning it let it air dry
i add the alcohol let it sit and turn it upside down give it a little shake and put it in the sun to dry it out

[timetable15]

Drop isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol into the opening of the SVG2 sensor and pour it out. Leave the sensor opening uncovered long enough to completely evaporate all of the residual alcohol. Do not use an object such as a cotton swab to clean the sensor, you may cause damage to the sensor.

[timetable15]

Question last time i used my pump i had a little bit of oil coming out of the exhaust
is that the check valve going bad

[chuckcrj]

Question last time i used my pump i had a little bit of oil coming out of the exhaust
is that the check valve going bad

Mine does too a little at the beginning of an evacuation when the airflow is highest.

Is the oil level a bit too high?

[timetable15]

Ya actually it is its about a 1/4 inch over line ill remove some see how it does
thx

[hvaclover]

I have a bad o-ring in my exhaust too, ang I am guilty of over filling my pump oil (damn thing takes forever to show full and I always over shoot the full-line.

I considered the TEZ pump from Appion, but the thing could wake the dead. And Its heaveer than my Robbie ...it does not pump down any faster than my Robbie either.

So why pay 800 bucks when my pump cost about 450????

[MechAcc]

I have a bad o-ring in my exhaust too, ang I am guilty of over filling my pump oil (damn thing takes forever to show full and I always over shoot the full-line.

I considered the TEZ pump from Appion, but the thing could wake the dead. And Its heaveer than my Robbie ...it does not pump down any faster than my Robbie either.

So why pay 800 bucks when my pump cost about 450????

If you do small systems there is no advantage. However if you do systems that are wet or very large systems then the TEZ 8 is the way to go as you can monitor oil condition and change oil on the go without shutting the pump off.

[hvaclover]

If you do small systems there is no advantage. However if you do systems that are wet or very large systems then the TEZ 8 is the way to go as you can monitor oil condition and change oil on the go without shutting the pump off.

Yeah, but i can do that with my Robbie too.

Changing oil on the fly is nothing new ....old rfeer dogs have been doing it for years.

Just need to isolate the system.

And the TEZ has a very small oil reservoir.....oil changes are very frequent where as my Robbie has a very large oil sump.

And if i used a TEZ on my resi jobs, the cops would arrest me for disturbing the peace. That thing is f'ing loud!



Don't get me wrong, I love my Appion products and they are a company ahead of the technology curve, but the TEZ is just not for me.

[FieldGen3]

Can someone explain the best way to break the vacuum in these setups? My concern is damaging the micron gauge during a triple evac or charging. It doesn't look like you can isolate just the gauge if it is attached to the side port of the Appion CRT.

[pacnw]

Can someone explain the best way to break the vacuum in these setups? My concern is damaging the micron gauge during a triple evac or charging. It doesn't look like you can isolate just the gauge if it is attached to the side port of the Appion CRT.

BluVac "can" handle 500 psi.

some people are using an additional core tool or shut off to isolate micron gauge.

[timetable15]

So can the fieldpiece

[hvaclover]

So can the fieldpiece

get a bluvac

[eddiegoodfellar]

I picked up the yellow version of the LTE today. Now I know my Appion CRT leaks.....

[drife678]

I have been so disgusted with my micron guage and vacum pump holding a vacum for some reason just wont happen. I have been trying to eliminate some possibilitys. I will hook my vacum pump up to my manifold, then hook blue guage to micton guage and leave red hose on manifold. I can pull my micron guage down below two hundred microns then.valve off my blue hose and it starts climbing. Put in new rubber gaskeys in.hose. Guess it has to be the micron guage... Or could.the manifold be the problem. Usong the cheaper jb micron.guage

[ar_hvac_man]

On the topic of moisture content of alcohol....

After cleaning the micron sensor, wouldn't it be wise to install it on your vacuum pump and run the pump?

Would seem to me to be a quick and effective way to dry the sensor out.

Of course, you run the risk of contaminating it with oil right after you cleaned it...


Hmmm.

Thoughts?

:hijacked:

Exactly how I dry mine. I run the pump for a few minutes before turning my gauge on

[hvaclover]

I have been so disgusted with my micron guage and vacum pump holding a vacum for some reason just wont happen. I have been trying to eliminate some possibilitys. I will hook my vacum pump up to my manifold, then hook blue guage to micton guage and leave red hose on manifold. I can pull my micron guage down below two hundred microns then.valve off my blue hose and it starts climbing. Put in new rubber gaskeys in.hose. Guess it has to be the micron guage... Or could.the manifold be the problem. Usong the cheaper jb micron.guage

A shot or two of nitro or dry Co2 will absorb the moisture quicker than a pump can boil it off.

[TriplePoint]

Are you guys using nylog on the bluevac fitting? I use nylog every where else just feel like I will contaminate the sensor if I use their.

JASON sent this from his DUMB-PHONE

[hvaclover]

I have been so disgusted with my micron guage and vacum pump holding a vacum for some reason just wont happen. I have been trying to eliminate some possibilitys. I will hook my vacum pump up to my manifold, then hook blue guage to micton guage and leave red hose on manifold. I can pull my micron guage down below two hundred microns then.valve off my blue hose and it starts climbing. Put in new rubber gaskeys in.hose. Guess it has to be the micron guage... Or could.the manifold be the problem. Usong the cheaper jb micron.guage


Are you guys using nylog on the bluevac fitting? I use nylog every where else just feel like I will contaminate the sensor if I use their.

JASON sent this from his DUMB-PHONE

i use nylog on my bluvac.

[drife678]

My problem is that I cant valve it off and hold a vacum using jb micron.guage

[chuckcrj]

Are you guys using nylog on the bluevac fitting? I use nylog every where else just feel like I will contaminate the sensor if I use their.

JASON sent this from his DUMB-PHONE

I use it. You have to be real careful not to get too much. If you do, it says "oil" and you have to clean it.

[drife678]

Have never heard of nylog...

[hvaclover]

My problem is that I cant valve it off and hold a vacum using jb micron.guage

make sure your gasket has not fallen out or needs replacing.

[jpsmith1cm]

Hook the micron gauge to an empty recovery cylinder and evacuate THAT.

You are dealing with a very small volume and ANY leakage will drive you batty.

Increase the volume and you should see an improvement.

[hvaclover]

Hook the micron gauge to an empty recovery cylinder and evacuate THAT.

You are dealing with a very small volume and ANY leakage will drive you batty.

Increase the volume and you should see an improvement.

JP,
You ever see that dinky gasket they use in a JB DVN 222 N?

Cripe, if you don't have a 1/4" flare plug in the connection it will fall out.

Don't get the logic of the connection they use at all. The gauge connection is female flare and relies on metal to metal contact and the gasket is just insurance.

Really should redesign it.


Blu Vac connection is awesome...no guessing if the connection is right.

[jnsrose]

I'd thought of thought too, but when I bought one from HD, the pipe threads just didn't seem right..Chink made of course.

Just didn't want to take a chance on cross threading the pumpm intake.

Some take NPT and others take MPT. So you have to be care ful on what you buy.

I got my one of my tees from Fastenal and it cost 2.99.

I talked to a local vac pump servicer and got my sizes straight before I took the plunge. You cross thread the the in take you are in for some expensive OEM parts

(Chink Made) HMMM! Isn't that a bit racist? Hey Timetable, That is an awesome case setup. How did you cut the foam so perfectly?

[hvaclover]

(Chink Made) HMMM! Isn't that a bit racist?

///

[timetable15]

traced it with silver sharpie and used a box cutter to cut the foam

[270wsm]

How much faster would vacuum go if I changed my 3/8 vacuum port on my pump to 1/2" and used a 1/2 tee instead if 3/8 and ordered my Appion 1/2" hoses with 1/2 connection instead of the standard 3/8" connection???

[jpsmith1cm]

My understanding is that the fitting size isn't as important as hose diameter.

[270wsm]

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[hvac5646]

How much faster would vacuum go if I changed my 3/8 vacuum port on my pump to 1/2" and used a 1/2 tee instead if 3/8 and ordered my Appion 1/2" hoses with 1/2 connection instead of the standard 3/8" connection???
The only realistic answer is the the evacuation time wold decrease "noticeably". The variables are just too numerous to give a pat answer.

[MicahWes]

I'd thought of thought too, but when I bought one from HD, the pipe threads just didn't seem right..Chink made of course.

Just didn't want to take a chance on cross threading the pumpm intake.

Some take NPT and others take MPT. So you have to be care ful on what you buy.

I got my one of my tees from Fastenal and it cost 2.99.

I talked to a local vac pump servicer and got my sizes straight before I took the plunge. You cross thread the the in take you are in for some expensive OEM parts

Ignoring the obvious racially insensitive remark, aren't National Pipe Thread and Male Pipe Thread the same thing?

[hvac5646]

Ignoring the obvious racially insensitive remark, aren't National Pipe Thread and Male Pipe Thread the same thing?

No.

One is tapered and one is straight.

FYI...that's just the way Uncle Clover expresses Himself.

[MicahWes]

I have always known them to be the exact same thing. I only spent five minutes looking just now, but I don't see anything on the internet that says any different.

Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2

[chuckcrj]

I have always known them to be the exact same thing. I only spent five minutes looking just now, but I don't see anything on the internet that says any different.

Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2

They are exactly the same, both have tapered threads. http://engineeringtoolbox.com/npt-national-pipe-taper-threads-d_750.html

[Bunyan]

How often so you guys clean your micron gauges?

[hvac5646]

I have always known them to be the exact same thing. I only spent five minutes looking just now, but I don't see anything on the internet that says any different.

Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2

You are correct. I was mistaken.

[Legitshop]

i wanna buy one whats the company who makes it?

[Jared Fetter]

Something to remember:

I have the appion flow rig with 1/2 hoses, an appion vacuum pump, and a bluvac.

I was recently working on a small system (double door reach in cooler) after a compressor change-out, and was only able to get to 1000 microns.

I was trying everything. Tightening all hose connections gorilla tight. Nitrogen purging. Leaking king valve stem? Leak somewhere else?

Then I took all my hoses and connectors apart, and dabbed some Nylog on the ends. (it's been a few months since I did this)

Hooked back up, went down to ~300 microns in 20 secs.

Lesson learned.

[jnsrose]

I have used the Nylog. I am afraid it is going to clog the port. In the video on the website they use it on shraders. It is pretty thick stuff. Especially the one for r-22. Has anybody ever had a problem. When I use it on the face of flares it looks like it will clog the pipe. This makes me afraid to use it on shrader ports.

[OldSchoolMech]

I am testing out nylog Tommorow for the first time. I didn't like how I had to buy to different kinds.


So what is the part# for the tee that everyone uses for their vacuum setup?

[syndicated]

I am testing out nylog Tommorow for the first time. I didn't like how I had to buy to different kinds.


So what is the part# for the tee that everyone uses for their vacuum setup?

I'm pretty confident the HFC nylon is compatible to cfc and hcfc.
It works wonders for evacuation.

[gravity]

OldSchoolMech. Just use the blue nylog HFC. it will work on both 22 and 410. it is also easier to work with. the red stuff is super tacky

[jpsmith1cm]

I'm pretty confident the HFC nylon is compatible to cfc and hcfc.
It works wonders for evacuation.

:yes:

[hvac5646]

I have used the Nylog. I am afraid it is going to clog the port. In the video on the website they use it on shraders. It is pretty thick stuff. Especially the one for r-22. Has anybody ever had a problem. When I use it on the face of flares it looks like it will clog the pipe. This makes me afraid to use it on shrader ports.

Nylog claims both Red and Blue formulas are miscible(mix-able) with the system oil it's to be used on.

[hvac5646]

Originally Posted by syndicated View Post
I'm pretty confident the HFC nylon is compatible to cfc and hcfc.
It works wonders for evacuation.



:yes:

JP, how can you be sure that HFC Nylog is compatible in a CFC mineral oil system?

[gravity]

It is a drop of nylog. It ain't gonna hurt nothing.

[gravity]

Your also putting it on flares, gaskets, threads. Not directly into the system

[hvac5646]

It is a drop of nylog. It ain't gonna hurt nothing.

Unless you have some documentation I have not, I would not be willing to go on "Faith-alone" just because it's a miniscule amount.

[gravity]

You're being ridiculous. I've used it for 3 years now with no trouble.

[kamersoutdoor]

Unless you have some documentation I have not, I would not be willing to go on "Faith-alone" just because it's a miniscule amount.

I'll have to agree with gravity. The above quote is just ridiculous!
Miniscule amount for what?
Are you putting the bottle in the system?
Is leak lock compatable?

sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note

[chuckcrj]

Nylog for HFC is based on POE oil. As we know, POE oil is miscible with CFC, HCFC, and HFC refrigerants. So yes, the HFC Nylog is compatible with any refrigerant.

[jnsrose]

I went to the website and it explains a lot. Says use blue stuff for everything if you want. Like gravity said, lot less tacky. Doesn't seem to clog up as much. Also says to use it under and over teflon on pipe threads. Has anyone used it for this purpose? As a pipe thread compound that is.

[jpsmith1cm]

Nylog for HFC is based on POE oil. As we know, POE oil is miscible with CFC, HCFC, and HFC refrigerants. So yes, the HFC Nylog is compatible with any refrigerant.

This.

[jpsmith1cm]

http://refrigtech.com/Product/Sealants/Nylog/nylog_blue.html


The Blue Label Nylog can be used universally or specifically with an HFC bound synthetic oil system.


http://refrigtech.com/Product/Manuals/NylogManual.pdf


Blue Label is completely miscible in POE or PAG lubricants and exhibits good

stability in both mineral and alkyl benzene oils


Links to and quotes from the manufacturer's information on Nylog.

Relax, dude.

[hvac5646]

You're being ridiculous. I've used it for 3 years now with no trouble.

No offense was intended...just curios if you had information that differed from what I have read concerning cross contamination.

[OldSchoolMech]

So I could have saved $10 and bought one. So if blue is universal I like the RED one better so I can use this on all oil types?

[270wsm]

http://toolmall.net/upload/goods/a63758_YJ69071title.jpg

I use this one. Yellow jacket 60971

[snoringcow]

I dont need it cause I get paid by the hour:grin2:

Ha!

[snoringcow]

Looks like a nice set. I'm still thinking, still trying to evolve into an e-vac set-up that doesn't cause me tantrums, fits of cursing and hours of frustration looking for non existent leaks. I want a vacuum pump that'll suck the nuts off a squirrel at fifty yards and I can judge whether the job is done when the copper starts to collapse! Evac drives me nuts!