I WAS BANNED

[riderman]

To be honest, I probably deserved it. Then again, who is in charge here? I questioned GOD I guess in the AOP resi section. I thought I was here, in the resi tech section. My bad. A person stated incorrect information there about an attic fan, I questioned his information\stated my opinion, and I was banned for ten days. Are you flippin kidding me? Do you have any idea how much money I lost due to this banishment? Well, that is a lie..but I hope you get the point. Some here (like me I think) take things way to seriously. For example, "I could be sued for giving false information to a forum on the internet/ or.. my buisnes could be held responsible for your injuries from information I posted on a internet forum". Really? You really believe that? C'mon. Accuracy yes, but this site thinks "AOP only" states accurate information, when that is just plain not true. We all have been wrong, but I guess AOP is less wrong, or talks more BS/has more posts/ own a van/ etc. Bottom line, you will get banned for questioning their opinion in an AOP forum. I get it.

Terry, are the rules this strict now compared to the past or are some newer mod's with higher authority just getting carried away? Maybe a little of both???

I know, I'm probably banned for life now...grrr..:)

[XcelTech]

The rules state to post in AOP you must be a professional with the plus marked next to your name. You cannot give information to people who are not professionals as this can lead to damage to their home and themselves and that can lead to lawsuit against Contracting Business. Get your professional and don't give out information that can get people hurt then you wont be breaking the rules (http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?853562-Professional-Rules-for-Owner-Assistance-Forums-Must-Read-First).


THE ONLY PEOPLE allowed to REPLY in the Owner Assistance Forums will be a Pro Member with a * by their user title and the one who started the thread. No others may post a reply.

This area WILL be monitored by the AOP (Ask Our Pro's Committee). Be advised that the AOPC will have full authority over the Owner Assistance Forums. Warnings will be issued for those posting advice that are not approved to do so. Continued violations will result in infractions being issued along with more harsh action if warnings are not heeded.


Professional Members. Before offering advice to guests seeking advice, PLEASE read the original post in its ENTIRETY from the beginning. This will help eliminate conflicting advice and avoid actions by the OP that could pose a danger to themselves, their property and others. Since quests are assumed to have limited knowledge and experience with their HVAC equipment, they may or may not use proper terminology when asking questions. Try to confirm exactly what TYPE (Forced air furnace, hp, boiler, natural gas, LP gas, fuel oil, etc.) of equipment they have as well as manufacturer, model, serial number etc.

Things to avoid:

-No getting into line voltage.
-No meters.
-No use of test instruments.
-No working on energized line voltage except to verify plugged in or switches and breakers on.
-No working on energized fuel lines except to verify fuel cock open.
-Removal of access panels that may expose the OP to extreme hazards

[newoldtech]

You probably wont help your cause by openly critizing the mods like this. This post should at least be moved to a private area IMO.

[martyinlincoln]

I think they got tired of deleating post from people over and over again in the AOP section. Been a lot of "banned" guest and non* pro memebers for doing the same thing. Bottom line is follow the rules and you wont go in time out.

[Dad]

To be honest, I probably deserved it. Then again, who is in charge here? I questioned GOD I guess in the AOP resi section. I thought I was here, in the resi tech section. My bad. A person stated incorrect information there about an attic fan, I questioned his information\stated my opinion, and I was banned for ten days. Are you flippin kidding me? Do you have any idea how much money I lost due to this banishment? Well, that is a lie..but I hope you get the point. Some here (like me I think) take things way to seriously. For example, "I could be sued for giving false information to a forum on the internet/ or.. my buisnes could be held responsible for your injuries from information I posted on a internet forum". Really? You really believe that? C'mon. Accuracy yes, but this site thinks "AOP only" states accurate information, when that is just plain not true. We all have been wrong, but I guess AOP is less wrong, or talks more BS/has more posts/ own a van/ etc. Bottom line, you will get banned for questioning their opinion in an AOP forum. I get it.

Terry, are the rules this strict now compared to the past or are some newer mod's with higher authority just getting carried away? Maybe a little of both???

I know, I'm probably banned for life now...grrr..:)

DUH....

Who's in charge? Next question?? :whistle:


The AOP is working. It's either AOP or we stop answering questions. So, just how the heck to we answer questions? We have to have some form of rules. DUH... AOP rules. We've tried it with out rules, didn't work. Hundreds got banned for being smarta$$'s. Most came back with hat in hand.

Get your Pro Membership. Get your * or stay out of AOP. It's easy and that simple. The * means you promised to follow the AOP rules. Nothing more, nothing less.

And just for the record... Terry has nothing, zero, nada to do with the AOP or setting the rules here. He is a membership committee member. You've been here long enough to know. Ghezzzzzz

[Dad]

You probably wont help your cause by openly critizing the mods like this. This post should at least be moved to a private area IMO.

Nope... let's leave it here. He b*tched via email to me @ admin when he got his 10 days and he is b*tching in the open forum when he returned. BTW... it takes three strikes to get 10 days and you get posted and PM warnings after each strike.

Dropping Terry's name is BS as well. I Admin this place. I take my committee members and moderators advice very seriously and normally go with their flow. We have an AOP committee that busted their butts for months making the AOP as simple as possible. I have letters from HO's thanking HTalk for the AOP system in place. It works. They used HTalk members to do the work. They are extremely happy.

Riderman is about to get a year off, maybe life if he blows hot air like this again.



UNREAL REALLY???

[dandyme]

rider:
put your big boy pants on, read, comprehend & obey the RULES, they pertain to everyone.

apparently you didn't get BANNED, since you are posting again under the same username, you were given a timeout.

[jpsmith1cm]

Even when a user is put on a short term "timeout" as you put it (I like that term, by the way) their user group shows up as "banned" so it would appear that they have been banned.

I'm not certain if the banned member receives a notification or not, honestly.

[Joehvac25]

I've had a vacation too it sucks but it's their site their rules. Sometimes I would comment and not no I was in AOP or just forget. I got my rights just so I dont have worry anymore.

[timebuilder]

I used to get angry at a great many things. In the Big Picture, it just isn't worth it. Relax, follow the rules, and direct your focus to saving our nation.

[ar_hvac_man]

Even when a user is put on a short term "timeout" as you put it (I like that term, by the way) their user group shows up as "banned" so it would appear that they have been banned.

I'm not certain if the banned member receives a notification or not, honestly.

Been awhile but almost certain I received notification when I got my 3 spankings. Two were completely unjust btw :)

[Joehvac25]

Sh*t I was banned for a month, I was like f that place m f ers, but I broke the rules so who was I to *****

[coolwhip]

Just checkin in to see if he got banned again. ;)

[qwerty hvac]

Why don't you just get you Pro membership and apply for aop, then it won't be an issue.


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[Control Man]

Yes you get a Notice When your banned ( at least I did ) I accidently posted a reply in 1 of the RESTRICTED zones without realizing it .

[hurtinhvac]

I lost track of where I was once and posted in AOP. Got a polite reminder PM and that was that.

Honestly, I visit give or take 6 home owners a day or sometimes I'm with one all day. I really don't need to be engaging more after hours on my own time - I need to be Asking Our Pros myself!

[jpsmith1cm]

Why don't you just get you Pro membership and apply for aop, then it won't be an issue.


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:yes:

I don't understand why a Professional in our trade who qualifies for pro membership, particularly one who claims to know a member of the Membership Committee, wouldn't BE a Professional Member on this site.

[jpsmith1cm]

Yes you get a Notice When your banned ( at least I did ) I accidently posted a reply in 1 of the RESTRICTED zones without realizing it .

As was previously mentioned, it takes 3 posts to earn a 10 day time out.

You weren't give time off for a single post in AOP. Nobody has and nobody will.

[coolwhip]

Im a professional and have no desire to submit to this AOP thing....lame I know, but thats my excuse. ;)

I have also been slapped a few times in the past for unwittingly posting in this section. The MOD's know how I feel about AOP Im sure.

[beenthere]

Currently we have 123 pages of post tracking violations of posting in the AOP forums without approval. JP and I do a search to make sure that its the third violation, before we give someone points for posting in the AOP forums without approval.

[Control Man]

You weren't give time off for a single post in AOP. Nobody has and nobody will.

Well if I had accidently posted 2 prior to the one before I was banned and informed about doing the big NO NO.

I was never informed of them prior to the ban notice , nor was there any mention of previous infractions in the ban notice just loss of 10 point ?.

[Chris_Worthington]

You weren't give time off for a single post in AOP. Nobody has and nobody will.

Well if I had accidently posted 2 prior to the one before I was banned and informed about doing the big NO NO.

I was never informed of them prior to the ban notice , nor was there any mention of previous infractions in the ban notice just loss of 10 point ?.

Everyone here gets a warning/several warnings before receiving points....

I have got them and I have received points prior to complying with simplicity :D

Its just how we roll :cheers:

[beenthere]

You weren't give time off for a single post in AOP. Nobody has and nobody will.

Well if I had accidently posted 2 prior to the one before I was banned and informed about doing the big NO NO.

I was never informed of them prior to the ban notice , nor was there any mention of previous infractions in the ban notice just loss of 10 point ?.


http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?972492-Fan-blows-but-no-heat&p=11784802#post11784802
http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?972492-Fan-blows-but-no-heat&p=11789912#post11789912
http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?1095651-HVAC-in-the-mushroom-industry&p=13330981#post13330981

Not in any particular order, nor am I sure its all he warnings you got, just the few I found in a quick search. And you don't lose 10 points, we give you 10 points, and the software bans you for 10 days.

[Control Man]

Chris

I honestly never saw the ON LINE warnings that you posted links to , I was under the impression warnings would have been sent in the form of a PRIVATE message as the one telling me I was banned was sent.

Makes no real difference as I survived the 10 days and really have no interest in continuing this debate. You asked if warnings were sent I posted that I recieved one.

[drife678]

Thanks for removing my ban prior to the ten days. I was actually so excited to find this site I was just asking away and posting. I was getting bored with the regular posts, and i filled out the sign up form started posting in the AOP and then lost access. So is there a easy way to get the star?

[Chris_Worthington]

Chris

I honestly never saw the ON LINE warnings that you posted links to , I was under the impression warnings would have been sent in the form of a PRIVATE message as the one telling me I was banned was sent.

Makes no real difference as I survived the 10 days and really have no interest in continuing this debate. You asked if warnings were sent I posted that I recieved one.

Water under the bridge :D

and there is few Mods with the cop car avatar btw....

The whole good cop/bad cop thing we use to our advantage on occasion,,, kinda like Hawaii 5 O did back in the day :D

[hurtinhvac]

Thanks for removing my ban prior to the ten days. I was actually so excited to find this site I was just asking away and posting. I was getting bored with the regular posts, and i filled out the sign up form started posting in the AOP and then lost access. So is there a easy way to get the star?

Damn dude, sorry. Asking how to get the start is an automatic lifetime ban.

There are yahoo message boards out there though...cheer up.

[drife678]

Damn dude, sorry. Asking how to get the start is an automatic lifetime ban.

There are yahoo message boards out there though...cheer up.

:cheers:

[southshorejohn]

Even when a user is put on a short term "timeout" as you put it (I like that term, by the way) their user group shows up as "banned" so it would appear that they have been banned. How about "off-line" sounds so much more PC :grin2:

[SBres22]

Son of a beach, I got my second warning today... I need to stop looking under "Whats New" because i just chime in when I feel like I could be helpful. I didnt even realize I was in the AOP forum. Honestly didnt mean it. Hopefully one day they make it so if you are not AOP Approved then you simply CANT post there. I dont think a timeout is necessary, but, who am I to judge. :.02:

[SBres22]

SHEET, This wasnt the AOP Forum, was it??? LOL

[beenthere]

SHEET, This wasnt the AOP Forum, was it??? LOL


If you want to be removed from being able to see the AOP forums, go here (http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?1032341-if-you-don-t-want-to-partake-in-the-AOP/page7).

[jpsmith1cm]

If you want to be removed from being able to see the AOP forums, go here (http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?1032341-if-you-don-t-want-to-partake-in-the-AOP/page7).

FYI, that links to the Pro's Pub. Non-professional members cannot access that forum.

[beenthere]

FYI, that links to the Pro's Pub. Non-professional members cannot access that forum.

ya, I know, SBres22 is a Pro member.

Non pro members just have to look where they are posting.

[Chris_Worthington]

ya, I know, SBres22 is a Pro member.

Non pro members just have to look where they are posting.

Why not make a sticky in the AOP for the same request?

[jpsmith1cm]

I figured that you knew where it was.

I was trying to avoid the "I can't open that link" posts.

:cheers:

[beenthere]

I figured that you knew where it was.

I was trying to avoid the "I can't open that link" posts.

:cheers:

Ah, I didn't think about that. Thats a good reason not to have a sticky in the AOP forums then too. We'd have a bunch of threads started on it.

[Chris_Worthington]

Ah, I didn't think about that. Thats a good reason not to have a sticky in the AOP forums then too. We'd have a bunch of threads started on it.

Who said it had to be an open sticky?

Just a link to opt out here :D

[Chris_Worthington]

I am soooooo hankering for a doughnut now,,,, not sure why, but I am :Faint:

[beenthere]

Who said it had to be an open sticky?

Just a link to opt out here :D

So you don't think non pro members would be reporting a broken link. Or starting threads asking why they can't access the link the sticky links to.

[beenthere]

I am soooooo hankering for a doughnut now,,,, not sure why, but I am :Faint:

Hmm, maybe I'll turn the lights on and get to a doughnut shop quick. LOL

[Chris_Worthington]

So you don't think non pro members would be reporting a broken link. Or starting threads asking why they can't access the link the sticky links to.

Thinking mo simple here.....

For those that wish to opt out of seeing/being able to post in either AOP area.... Pro or Regular member......

Email here? or Post your request here?

That way membership types have the option(s) to do as they wish for whatever reason they wish to do what they want to do in regards to the AOP areas :D

That way I think would please some on the cell phones/those that do not wish to participate in AOP?

Less assidents like us old folks have on occasion :cheers:

[Chris_Worthington]

Hmm, maybe I'll turn the lights on and get to a doughnut shop quick. LOL

Being all the questions about the topic figured it would be best to discuss here in the open :D

[beenthere]

Thinking mo simple here.....

For those that wish to opt out of seeing/being able to post in either AOP area.... Pro or Regular member......

Email here? or Post your request here?

That way membership types have the option(s) to do as they wish for whatever reason they wish to do what they want to do in regards to the AOP areas :D

That way I think would please some on the cell phones/those that do not wish to participate in AOP?

Less assidents like us old folks have on occasion :cheers:

Might want to run that by Dad before you get others hopes up.

[ncboston]

I am soooooo hankering for a doughnut now,,,, not sure why, but I am :Faint:

300501

Is this you?

[Chris_Worthington]

Might want to run that by Dad before you get others hopes up.

Just placed the Batman beacon in the sky :D

[Chris_Worthington]

300501

Is this you?

Maybe? :whistle:

[Dad]

Just placed the Batman beacon in the sky :D

The Pro members may opt out if they post their desire in the Pub thread. Guest will just have to actually read and follow the rules.

[Chris_Worthington]

Thinking about the regular members (especially the long term ones)

[hearthman]

Are we talking about the same people who complain about certain TVs shows but continue to watch them? If a channel offends you, don't watch it. Have we really sunk to this level as a society we have to spoon feed people? I can't believe this is even being discussed.....

Calgon, take me away!

[jpsmith1cm]

Thinking about the regular members (especially the long term ones)

Isn't this a site for professionals?

Professional Membership is easy enough to get. Go Pro, then opt out.

[Chris_Worthington]

Isn't this a site for professionals?

Professional Membership is easy enough to get. Go Pro, then opt out.

Why yes it is :D

and I agree with you.....

Just playing the devils advocate and trying to address all those that ask about this tis all...... and I would like to hope to think that when we sometimes do discuss things in the open/on a thread. That all know going forward that there is 10 kabillion more discussions such as this that go on behind the scenes that no one ever sees but us for the betterment of all... and that we do listen to our members :D

[Joehvac25]

I think the HO who started the thread that the non* member should be banned lol.

[SBres22]

If you want to be removed from being able to see the AOP forums, go here (http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?1032341-if-you-don-t-want-to-partake-in-the-AOP/page7).

Just sent in application. This way, if i accidentally post there.... then, hell, I accidentally posted there... no repurcussions.
:cheers:

[beenthere]

Just sent in application. This way, if i accidentally post there.... then, hell, I accidentally posted there... no repurcussions.
:cheers:

Smart thinking.

[riderman]

Nope... let's leave it here. He b*tched via email to me @ admin when he got his 10 days and he is b*tching in the open forum when he returned. BTW... it takes three strikes to get 10 days and you get posted and PM warnings after each strike.

Dropping Terry's name is BS as well. I Admin this place. I take my committee members and moderators advice very seriously and normally go with their flow. We have an AOP committee that busted their butts for months making the AOP as simple as possible. I have letters from HO's thanking HTalk for the AOP system in place. It works. They used HTalk members to do the work. They are extremely happy.

Riderman is about to get a year off, maybe life if he blows hot air like this again.



UNREAL REALLY???

Crap, I really screwed up. I thought Terry was dad... ) I openly apologize. This was ment as tonge in cheek humer. You are correct, I did question this in a private email to the site admin. I did not even think for a second that "you" would take this "complaint" seriously. I'm still amazed about your responce. I just popped in tonight, I totaly forgot about this post until today at work. Some take their self and other things to heart I guess. If this is hot air, I suggest banishment for life. What else can I say? I dont see me stopping humer when some take a silly issue and make a super big deal out of it. I guess I have a real life. Terry is the name of a very humerous member that I used as a joke. He is a member in standing as you state. Ask him, I never asked him for anything, let alone some kind of favor from site admin. Crap, other than on face book, I dont even know the gentleman.

To be honest, this thread was posted by another person at work on the kitchen door. It created a humorous discussion to say the least. :)) We have over 600 empoyees, and the embarrassing part is the now most know who "riderman" is.

Our Boss likes Dad's approach\responce. Grrr

[riderman]

DUH....

Who's in charge? Next question??

I gatta ask, in the real world.. Do you even think you could talk to a stranger/real man like that? And still have teeth??? And you really believe your supposed answer "yes"?

Please do not get pissed. This was written in humer :)

[Dad]

I find your humor disrespectful in so many ways to be idiotic at best. Not just to me, I could care less, but to all who attempt to follow the site rules and be good members here. You say "and still have teeth". I believe you are the one that should be spitting broken cavities sir then post behind a cloak of poorly attempted humor?

Bottom line. You mucked up then get time out by your own accord. You complain via administrative email and attempt name dropping using a mistake in identity then disrespect not only the committee members, the moderators but now the administrator on an open form and complain again.

I think I'll just go with the flow here and ask our membership at large.

Let's leave it up to them as to your future.

[newoldtech]

I thought he was finally being smart by not posting again in this thread. Then when I read his posts last night I cringed. I was pretty sure you and anyone in your postition would be pissed at his so called attempt at humor. IMO he asked for whatever you give him.

[Chris_Worthington]

DUH....

Who's in charge? Next question??

I gatta ask, in the real world.. Do you even think you could talk to a stranger/real man like that? And still have teeth??? And you really believe your supposed answer "yes"?

Please do not get pissed. This was written in humer :)

I see absolutely nothing humorous and hope the members here lay down the hammer.....

301331

[ar_hvac_man]

I was banned for stupidly saying a HO had ocd. I learned my lesson and since I truly value my access to this site I watch my mouth and dont hold the authorities in contempt for banning me. He has no respect for authority, continues to run his mouth, and keeps poking and prodding the mods while trying to use smiley faces and "lol's" to try and make it seem as hes joking or using "HUMER". I too think he deserves whatever he gets.

[ControlsInMT]

He did ask for lifetime ban, not once but twice now...:whistle:

[dlove]

rules are rules so abide by them. There are not many forums you can go to that monitor rules like this one does. It gives it real value and because of that we all benefit from this. In hindsight, you should have taken the 10day ban and kept you mouth shut and moved on. But you didn't and this is the result. live a learn.

[mlstark]

what's his track record? Are there previous infractions? If It's three strikes then he should be out, if not I'd let him slide.

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[dandyme]

I'm with CW-drop the BAN HAMMER, duration is entirely up to you.

[Mr Bill]

You say "and still have teeth"..

Hey! we resemble that remark! http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l286/mrbillpro/111.gif

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l286/mrbillpro/OldCowboyCole-1.jpg http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l286/mrbillpro/dogs.jpg

[jpsmith1cm]

Put him on the AOP Committee....

:whistle:

[Phrancis]

Chiming in since this is obviously not a "Technical" thread (if I may). I'm in the industry but not a tech by any means; I just know an awful lot about warranty work and ESA's. I once got a warning for accidentally posting in AOP because the HO was asking specifically about one of our warranty products. Lesson learned!

I know I don't qualify for pro membership so now I just watch what forum I'm on! Simple enough. :grin2:

[ncboston]

Let's do it Gladiator style....
301401

[beenthere]

Chiming in since this is obviously not a "Technical" thread (if I may). I'm in the industry but not a tech by any means; I just know an awful lot about warranty work and ESA's. I once got a warning for accidentally posting in AOP because the HO was asking specifically about one of our warranty products. Lesson learned!

I know I don't qualify for pro membership so now I just watch what forum I'm on! Simple enough. :grin2:

Have you applied and been turned down? If not, apply. You don't need to be a tech.

[precision hvac]

The mere fact he started a new thread complaining about being banned is worthy of banishment IMO.
Then he continues to show disrespect.
I'm surprised he's still here.

[Phrancis]

Have you applied and been turned down? If not, apply. You don't need to be a tech.

Then I guess I will!

[Phrancis]

Have you applied and been turned down? If not, apply. You don't need to be a tech.

Then I guess I will! (once I have at least 30 posts... B&M requirements)