Multiple Choice

[Workhorse]

Reflect back, and take the following multiple choice test. The events are actual cuts from past history. They actually happened!!!

1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by
a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40

During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and 70 year old Leon Klinghoffer, an American passenger confined to a wheelchair, was murdered and thrown overboard by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and Robert Stidham, a US Navy diver was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doob. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill' s women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40

On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40

In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40

In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40

Nope, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you..?


So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone because of profiling.

As the writer of the award winning story "Forrest Gump" so aptly put it, "Stupid is as stupid does."

Come on people wake up!!!

[chillbilly]

LOL!
I wonder how many terrible crimes would never have been solved if a profile wasn't utilized.
My score was 100%. He-he.

[oloenneker]

Considering that half of those events occurred in Mulsim countries, How would profiling have been of any effect in those situations?

How would you do the profiling? What would be your qualifications of who get profiled and who does not? What would the profiling accomplish? Once you have profiled people, what do you want to do next?

Would you use "race" as a profile?
Would you use "style of clothing garments worn"?
Would you use "Origin"?
Would you use "Name"?

Let me know how you would do this.

And how it would have stopped any of those events from happening?

[bootlen]

Originally posted by oloenneker
Considering that half of those events occurred in Mulsim countries, How would profiling have been of any effect in those situations?

How would you do the profiling? What would be your qualifications of who get profiled and who does not? What would the profiling accomplish? Once you have profiled people, what do you want to do next?

Would you use "race" as a profile?
Would you use "style of clothing garments worn"?
Would you use "Origin"?
Would you use "Name"?

Let me know how you would do this.

And how it would have stopped any of those events from happening?

Ya slept last night, huh? Gotta be retrained all over again.

We'll start with potty training. Somebody put a ping pong ball in the toilet. Let him target practice.

[oloenneker]

Hey bootlicker, why don't you try to answer the questions I asked? I guess thats because you do not know the answers your self either....

[bootlen]

Originally posted by oloenneker
Hey bootlicker, why don't you try to answer the questions I asked? I guess thats because you do not know the answers your self either....



Because your questions are, if not moot, those which refelct huge ignorance and do not merit serious intelligent consideration.

There. I answered your question.

[oloenneker]

Originally posted by bootlen

Originally posted by oloenneker
Hey bootlicker, why don't you try to answer the questions I asked? I guess thats because you do not know the answers your self either....



Because your questions are, if not moot, those which refelct huge ignorance and do not merit serious intelligent consideration.

There. I answered your question.

How are they Moot?

Thats just a crap ass denial that you don't understand the questions. Denial of what?

I understand that there are extremist Musilims in our world. But how would you conduct the profiling? Racially?

That means that all of us are subject to such profiling. Muslim is not a race, it is a religon. There are bellievers in the muslim religons that are: White, Black, Middle Eastern, and Asian. So I guess that pretty much means that you would have to deny EVERYONE from flying, huh?

Or would you use clothing as your "profiling" system huh? Well, you don't think that the Terrorists don't already know this trick.. Come on...

Profile them according to origin? Well, there are Muslims on every continent, and probably in every country on earth... Thats gonna be tough to do as well..

By name? What really is in a name anyhow? That does not always mean that someone is a radical? Timothy McVeigh? Hmmmm, He would have sailed right through your "profile"....

I guess you still don't understand the questions.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by oloenneker
Originally posted by bootlen
Originally posted by oloenneker
Hey bootlicker,

(Weren't you the one griping about name calling? Yah, I thought so. Doesn't this make you a hypocrit? Yah I thought so.)

why don't you try to answer the questions I asked? I guess thats because you do not know the answers your self either....



Because your questions are, if not moot, those which refelct huge ignorance and do not merit serious intelligent consideration.

There. I answered your question.

How are they Moot?

Start with Webster's Unabridged. Then take a course in American English.

Thats just a crap ass denial that you don't understand the questions. Denial of what?

You brought up "denial". You answer this one.

I understand that there are extremist Musilims in our world. But how would you conduct the profiling? Racially?

Racially? No. That's against the law. I'd take off all people over 45 and under 17. Then all females. Then all the rest that speak with no foreign accent. The rest I'd let go on the plane. That should satisfy all the PC idiots out there.

That means that all of us are subject to such profiling. Muslim is not a race, it is a religon. There are bellievers in the muslim religons that are: White, Black, Middle Eastern, and Asian. So I guess that pretty much means that you would have to deny EVERYONE from flying, huh?

No. I'd abide by PC idiots rules and they'd be the only ones in the air. Shoot 'em down when they get off flight plan.

Or would you use clothing as your "profiling" system huh? Well, you don't think that the Terrorists don't already know this trick.. Come on...

Gee. I'm at a loss for an answer. But I'm sure you have the perfect solution. Care to share it?

Profile them according to origin? Well, there are Muslims on every continent, and probably in every country on earth... Thats gonna be tough to do as well..

Really? How many have been involved in the attacks we have experienced?

By name? What really is in a name anyhow? That does not always mean that someone is a radical? Timothy McVeigh? Hmmmm, He would have sailed right through your "profile"....

You think McVeigh was a Muslim?

I guess you still don't understand the questions.



What questions?

[Workhorse]

Hmmmm, which one could be the big bad terrorist?
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/6238/mostwantedterroristslj1.jpg

[bootlen]

Originally posted by Shane Oakes
Hmmmm, which one could be the big bad terrorist?
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/6238/mostwantedterroristslj1.jpg

Wow! Look at all the 80 year old women and blondes in the group.

WHAT ARE WE TO DO?!!!

[sline-dawg]

..... and no luggage.

Or keep a pig or two as attendants.

[smokin68]

Originally posted by Shane Oakes
Hmmmm, which one could be the big bad terrorist?
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/6238/mostwantedterroristslj1.jpg

All of the above. See how easy it is???

[oloenneker]

(Weren't you the one griping about name calling? Yah, I thought so. Doesn't this make you a hypocrit? Yah I thought so.)


As long as you keep calling me Wanker, I am going to resort to your level of intelect, and call you Bootlicker whenever I wish. You started it, I am just keeping it on your level.


Start with Webster's Unabridged

Moot:

–adjective
1. open to discussion or debate; debatable; doubtful: a moot point.
2. of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic.
3. Chiefly Law. not actual; theoretical; hypothetical

I understand the meaning of the word, but have yet to prove any moot point on my behalf



Then take a course in American English.

I have taken two years of university engilish classes (yes in the US), so I would imagine that I have a decent grasp of the American English Language. I do admit, I do not understand alot of Southern drawl, but neither can the rest of America anyhow...



Racially? No. That's against the law. I'd take off all people over 45 and under 17. Then all females. Then all the rest that speak with no foreign accent. The rest I'd let go on the plane. That should satisfy all the PC idiots out there.


Foerign to what? The US?! Terrorism is not only an American problem, dude. How are you going to enforce this kind of ill planned security system in countries other than the US? Are you saying that only Americans, with no accents should be allowed to fly? Anywhere in the world? Thats a pretty shortsighted plan you have there.


No. I'd abide by PC idiots rules and they'd be the only ones in the air. Shoot 'em down when they get off flight plan.

Okie dokie..


Gee. I'm at a loss for an answer. But I'm sure you have the perfect solution. Care to share it?


I never claimed that I had the solution.


Really? How many have been involved in the attacks we have experienced?

Al-Q is in all those countries. A good number are from the ME, some have been from The Philipines. Some are from Pakistan, Some apparently are from Europe. I thought that that was common knowledge? I guess not.


You think McVeigh was a Muslim?


What? I never said that.

What I DID say, is that, according to your profile, a man who was the biggest terrorist America saw intil 9/11/01 was just another home grown American boy, whom your "profile" would not have stopped...

Profiles will not solve the terrorist problem... If the Admin. Thought it would, they would implement it, dont you think so?



What questions?

Why am I suprised you dont get it.

[chillbilly]

I have taken two years of university engilish classes (yes in the US), so I would imagine that I have a decent grasp of the American English Language.
__________________________________________________ ________
I'd suggest you get your money back. Your grasp of the English language is abysmal at best.


I do admit, I do not understand alot of Southern drawl, but neither can the rest of America anyhow...
__________________________________________________ ______
What an utterly stupid and ignorant thing to say.
Is this an attempt to denigrate our fine southern population in the USA, or are you just repeating the low-life,left speak that defines you?

[oloenneker]

What an utterly stupid and ignorant thing to say.
Is this an attempt to denigrate our fine southern population in the USA, or are you just repeating the low-life,left speak that defines you?


Well, this is from personal experience. I went to Georgia once. I could hardly understand half of the people. Ignorant? Nope, personal observations.

What is ignorant, is you denigrating my grasp of the Engish language.

[rob10]

GEORGIA!!!

















WHAT A MESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RoBoTeq]

oloe, aloe, butterbutt...whatever....you are an ignorant ass that does not deserve to have your ridiculous questions ansered. If you don't like the U.S., please leave it. I will personally help you and anyone else who doesn't think the U.S. is the greatest nation on earth get on a plane or boat to wherever you want to go...as long as you just go.

[rob10]

The only way you can do that, is by not getting your ride TOTALED by a wrecker!!

[bootlen]

Originally posted by oloenneker
[quote]
(Weren't you the one griping about name calling? Yah, I thought so. Doesn't this make you a hypocrit? Yah I thought so.)


As long as you keep calling me Wanker, I am going to resort to your level of intelect, and call you Bootlicker whenever I wish. You started it, I am just keeping it on your level.

Nope, not me. I have never referred to you as "wanker". I do, however, know who does.

Start with Webster's Unabridged

Moot:

–adjective
1. open to discussion or debate; debatable; doubtful: a moot point.
2. of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic.
3. Chiefly Law. not actual; theoretical; hypothetical

I understand the meaning of the word, but have yet to prove any moot point on my behalf


Then take a course in American English.

I have taken two years of university engilish classes (yes in the US), so I would imagine that I have a decent grasp of the American English Language. I do admit, I do not understand alot of Southern drawl, but neither can the rest of America anyhow...

Then "moot" should be no problem for you.


Racially? No. That's against the law. I'd take off all people over 45 and under 17. Then all females. Then all the rest that speak with no foreign accent. The rest I'd let go on the plane. That should satisfy all the PC idiots out there.


Foerign to what? The US?! Terrorism is not only an American problem, dude. How are you going to enforce this kind of ill planned security system in countries other than the US? Are you saying that only Americans, with no accents should be allowed to fly? Anywhere in the world? Thats a pretty shortsighted plan you have there.

I don't recall saying anything about security in other countries. Maybe you should take a reading class.

No. I'd abide by PC idiots rules and they'd be the only ones in the air. Shoot 'em down when they get off flight plan.

Okie dokie..

Gee. I'm at a loss for an answer. But I'm sure you have the perfect solution. Care to share it?


I never claimed that I had the solution.

No plan, huh? Just let 'em through? Brilliant like a black hole.

Really? How many have been involved in the attacks we have experienced?

Al-Q is in all those countries. A good number are from the ME, some have been from The Philipines. Some are from Pakistan, Some apparently are from Europe. I thought that that was common knowledge? I guess not.

If I'm not mistaken, they all have a foreign accent. Let 'em on the plane.

You think McVeigh was a Muslim?

What? I never said that.

Then why bring him up?

What I DID say, is that, according to your profile, a man who was the biggest terrorist America saw intil 9/11/01 was just another home grown American boy, whom your "profile" would not have stopped...

And how many home grown boys have we had a problem with since the Murrah bombing? There's an example of your moot point. You are heavy with them.

Profiles will not solve the terrorist problem... If the Admin. Thought it would, they would implement it, dont you think so?

No. You PC craps won't let that happen.


What questions?

Why am I suprised you dont get it.

Oh, I "get it", alright. I'm still waiting on a non-moot intelligent question. Check back in when you have one.

[RoBoTeq]

McViegh worked with Muslim terrorists who were whitewashed by the Clinton administration in order to keep Middle East negotiations in line.

If you don't remember the two days of focusing on two Muslim males between the ages of 17 & 40, just read some of the archived stories within the first 48 hours of the bombing in Oklahoma. McViegh may have been used as a patsy, but that bombing had Islam written all over it.

From the day of the bombing;
"The Chicago Tribune reported that the CIA spokesman had acknowledged on the record that the agency is involved in the search. There is a description that the car bombs that were used at the Murrah building are favored by Islamic fundamentalists. It discusses in Exhibit B that Oklahoma City has an Islamic Center and the state is home to about 5,000 Muslims. It goes on to say that a television documentary linked Oklahoma City to an Islamic fundamentalist network operating out of New Jersey, Chicago and Texas. Mr. Steven Emerson, a terrorism expert and executive producer of "Jihad in America" said -- and I don't think there is any question Mr. Emerson is an expert on terrorism -- that Oklahoma City has been the venue for several Islamic conventions, including one in 1992 where 6,000 people cheered calls for killing of Jews and infidels. This meeting, incidentally, took place four blocks from the Murrah building.



[Edited by RoBoTeq on 08-26-2006 at 11:34 PM]

[bootlen]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
McViegh worked with Muslim terrorists who were whitewashed by the Clinton administration in order to keep Middle East negotiations in line.

If you don't remember the two days of focusing on two Muslim males between the ages of 17 & 40, just read some of the archived stories within the first 48 hours of the bombing in Oklahoma. McViegh may have been used as a patsy, but that bombing had Islam written all over it.

From the day of the bombing;
"The Chicago Tribune reported that the CIA spokesman had acknowledged on the record that the agency is involved in the search. There is a description that the car bombs that were used at the Murrah building are favored by Islamic fundamentalists. It discusses in Exhibit B that Oklahoma City has an Islamic Center and the state is home to about 5,000 Muslims. It goes on to say that a television documentary linked Oklahoma City to an Islamic fundamentalist network operating out of New Jersey, Chicago and Texas. Mr. Steven Emerson, a terrorism expert and executive producer of "Jihad in America" said -- and I don't think there is any question Mr. Emerson is an expert on terrorism -- that Oklahoma City has been the venue for several Islamic conventions, including one in 1992 where 6,000 people cheered calls for killing of Jews and infidels. This meeting, incidentally, took place four blocks from the Murrah building.



[Edited by RoBoTeq on 08-26-2006 at 11:34 PM]

I am aware of that. But I repeat...how many homegrown boys have we had a problem with?

[oloenneker]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
[B]McViegh worked with Muslim terrorists who were whitewashed by the Clinton administration in order to keep Middle East negotiations in line.

If you don't remember the two days of focusing on two Muslim males between the ages of 17 & 40, just read some of the archived stories within the first 48 hours of the bombing in Oklahoma. McViegh may have been used as a patsy, but that bombing had Islam written all over it.

From the day of the bombing;[quote]"The Chicago Tribune reported that the CIA spokesman had acknowledged on the record that the agency is involved in the search. There is a description that the car bombs that were used at the Murrah building are favored by Islamic fundamentalists. It discusses in Exhibit B that Oklahoma City has an Islamic Center and the state is home to about 5,000 Muslims. It goes on to say that a television documentary linked Oklahoma City to an Islamic fundamentalist network operating out of New Jersey, Chicago and Texas. Mr. Steven Emerson, a terrorism expert and executive producer of "Jihad in America" said -- and I don't think there is any question Mr. Emerson is an expert on terrorism -- that Oklahoma City has been the venue for several Islamic conventions, including one in 1992 where 6,000 people cheered calls for killing of Jews and infidels. This meeting, incidentally, took place four blocks from the Murrah building.



Wrong. Actually McVeigh was following the sequences that happened in a fictional book called "The Turner Diaries" which promotes an all white America and the elimination of the US Government... He substituted the Murrah building because he did not have access to the FBI headquarters, as was described in the book. He even used the exact type of explosives and a rental truck, as outlined in the story.

Initially they thought that it was a Muslim fundamentlist movement that commited the crime, but later realized that it was American Anti Government types that commited the crime.

Nice try to link the two groups.


PS: Talk about slamming someone around here for their conspiracy theories... Yet you come up with your own... What a farse..

[Edited by oloenneker on 08-27-2006 at 05:23 AM]

[refrigeration mafia]

Muslim terrorists or Shriners?

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6008/muslimorshinerxd4.png

[oloenneker]

And here I thought that you where such a nice Christian.


Isnt lying a sin?



Nope, not me. I have never referred to you as "wanker". I do, however, know who does.


Hmmm....


Hey! It's a "W"...for ole Wanker.

http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?threadid=113559&pagenumber=2

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by oloenneker

PS: Talk about slamming someone around here for their conspiracy theories... Yet you come up with your own... What a farse..

[Edited by oloenneker on 08-27-2006 at 05:23 AM]

It's not exactly a conspiracy theory when dozens of eyewitness's mentioned the Middle Eastern men at the scene of the bombing in Oklahoma and that for the first two days after the bombing, even after McVeigh had been picked up for not having tags on his vehicle, the entire emphasis of the bombing was in search of the Middle Eastern men that were seen by dozens of eyewitness's at the scene of the bombing.

This is not an after the fact conjuring of evidence; this is at the moment of impact reality that was completely covered over by our government.

My guess is that President Clinton got a call from one of our reluctant Muslim allies to squash the Middle Eastern connection in order to maintain proper trade relations. I am not even stating that at the time this was not such a bad idea, but we found out on September 11, 2001 just how wrong we were to not give the Islamic terrorists the attention they wanted.

Not a conspiracy at all. Just bringing to light the facts that were suppressed and washed over.

[phxurs]

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/2746/mostwantedterroristslj1sb6.jpg

Wow – just noticed him? They Added a new terrorist to the list!

Kind of looks Familiar - And he has Killed a lot of Americans!


[Edited by phxurs on 08-27-2006 at 01:19 PM]

[bootlen]

Originally posted by oloenneker
And here I thought that you where such a nice Christian.


Isnt lying a sin?

Why, yes it is. You're learning.

Nope, not me. I have never referred to you as "wanker". I do, however, know who does.


Hmmm....

Hey! It's a "W"...for ole Wanker.

http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?threadid=113559&pagenumber=2



You...you mean...? You mean that's a little statue of YOU? I thought it's a likeness of George W. My mistake. :D

[bootlen]

BTW...


Originally posted by oloenneker
And here I thought that you where such a nice Christian.


You have a link from this forum that might indicate in the SLIGHTEST way that I am "nice" Christian? Here I was thinking I'm the nastiest Christian you will ever in your life meet. I must be losing my touch.

[oloenneker]

Originally posted by bootlen
BTW...


Originally posted by oloenneker
And here I thought that you where such a nice Christian.


You have a link from this forum that might indicate in the SLIGHTEST way that I am "nice" Christian? Here I was thinking I'm the nastiest Christian you will ever in your life meet. I must be losing my touch.

You're right. I must have transposed "nice" with "fundamental wacko"...

My mistake.

[oloenneker]

Not a conspiracy at all. Just bringing to light the facts that were suppressed and washed over.

Same could be said of any conspiracy...

Wether you like it or not, your stating a conspiracy theory. Do you have proof that "some" middle eastern country begged clinton to "white wash" the bombings? Which ME country did this? And why?

Probably as likely that the 9/11/01 planes where controlled by Remote control, and all the passengers are living a nice life in Argentina, protected by a relocation program...

How do you explain the similar type of bombing described in "The Turner Diaries"?? The connection with "The Order" and Mc Veigh was proven, and he admitted to be a big fan of "Turner Diaries"...

[bootlen]

Originally posted by oloenneker

Originally posted by bootlen
BTW...


Originally posted by oloenneker
And here I thought that you where such a nice Christian.


You have a link from this forum that might indicate in the SLIGHTEST way that I am "nice" Christian? Here I was thinking I'm the nastiest Christian you will ever in your life meet. I must be losing my touch.

You're right. I must have transposed "nice" with "fundamental wacko"...

My mistake.

U-u-u-u-h, yeah. I'm sure that's what you did.

[oloenneker]

U-u-u-u-h, yeah. I'm sure that's what you did.

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[RoBoTeq]

I'll take the fundy over the fruitcake anyday.

[acmanko]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
I'll take the fundy over the fruitcake anyday. Care to explain the difference, careful, it might be above you. :)

[bootlen]

Originally posted by acmanko

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
I'll take the fundy over the fruitcake anyday. Care to explain the difference, careful, it might be above you. :)

See, ac, there's your problem. You don't know the difference.

[oloenneker]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
I'll take the fundy over the fruitcake anyday.

Fruitcake , Fundy....I always thought that they where the same thing...


Care to explain the difference?

[rob10]

Originally posted by acmanko

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
I'll take the fundy over the fruitcake anyday. Care to explain the difference, careful, it might be above you. :) BAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAA!!!

[chillbilly]

A fruitcake is full of nuts and fruits...

A fundie thinks nuts and fruits are weird..... THAT offends the fruitcakes and renders them a huge Christmas throw-away item and the "gift" that no one wants.

[oloenneker]

Originally posted by chillbilly
A fruitcake is full of nuts and fruits...

A fundie thinks nuts and fruits are weird..... THAT offends the fruitcakes and renders them a huge Christmas throw-away item and the "gift" that no one wants.





Thats just what I thought, it's all related to xmas anyhow...

[acmanko]

I like fruitcake, especially when they are squishy with rum.

[daytonafan]

Originally posted by oloenneker
Considering that half of those events occurred in Mulsim countries, How would profiling have been of any effect in those situations?

How would you do the profiling? What would be your qualifications of who get profiled and who does not? What would the profiling accomplish? Once you have profiled people, what do you want to do next?

Would you use "race" as a profile?
Would you use "style of clothing garments worn"?
Would you use "Origin"?
Would you use "Name"?

Let me know how you would do this.

And how it would have stopped any of those events from happening?

Im pretty sure he covered all of these questions by posting the Muslim male thingy.

[daytonafan]

All of this name calling and bickering. And for what??

I am going to explain this one last time.

1. There are Muslim individuals who want us dead because we have personal freedoms and choice.

2. Bill Clinton and Janet Reno focused on Microsoft and Joe Camel instead of the ones who were threatening us.

3. They sold military secrets to communist nations who in turn shared info and weapons with the terrorists. Madylyn Albright did not think it was fair that we were more powerful than North Korea and wanted to even the score.

4. The terrorist we are fighting know that they can influence American elections through media sympathy so they carefully plan their manuvers and the American lefties gobble it up like mama's home cookin.

5. People like Geer and Oloe come on here and puke up everything CNN and NPR says over and over again.

[acmanko]

Yos sure didn't say that well. You left out all the innocent People killed gy GW's nation building war. You left out all the record profits made by GW's oil buddies and yOu left out the divisiveness caused By GW"S selection for his first term, which is what got us attacked in the first place

[daytonafan]

Originally posted by acmanko
Yos sure didn't say that well. You left out all the innocent People killed gy GW's nation building war. You left out all the record profits made by GW's oil buddies and yOu left out the divisiveness caused By GW"S selection for his first term, which is what got us attacked in the first place

The terrorists attacked us because of the confusion over the election in 2000?

GW's "nation building war" came before we were attacked?

The terrorists attacked us because "GW's buddies" made money in the oil business?

Come on acmanko, even you can figure this garbage out for yourself.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by daytonafan

Originally posted by acmanko
Yos sure didn't say that well. You left out all the innocent People killed gy GW's nation building war. You left out all the record profits made by GW's oil buddies and yOu left out the divisiveness caused By GW"S selection for his first term, which is what got us attacked in the first place

The terrorists attacked us because of the confusion over the election in 2000?

GW's "nation building war" came before we were attacked?

The terrorists attacked us because "GW's buddies" made money in the oil business?

Come on acmanko, even you can figure this garbage out for yourself.

Nah, he can't.

[oloenneker]

All of this name calling and bickering. And for what??

Well, thank your buddies (james and Boot) for the instigators of that...



. There are Muslim individuals who want us dead because we have personal freedoms and choice.


Come on Dayton!! Thats a canned bushbot reasoning. The real scoop is this:

Osama Bin Laden is upset at the USA because we placed Permanent military bases in Saudia Arabia. He is also upset with the Saudi Raoyal Family because his Mujahadin was not allowed to "handle" the invasion of Kuwait by Saddam Hussein in 1990.

Hezbollah is angry with the USA because of our support of Isreal via arms and funding

Iran is angry at the US for arming Saddam During the Iran-Iraq war (we gave him tons of chemical and biological weapons that Iraq used without mercy on the Iranian forces, with no complaint from the US)

But it sounds so much nicer when you just sum it up as "they hate our freedom"... Thats the Bush PR campaign working it's magic again.



2. Bill Clinton and Janet Reno focused on Microsoft and Joe Camel instead of the ones who were threatening us.

But it still happened (9/11/01) on Bush's watch. Under bush's helm, the CIA and the rest of them ignored the warning signs, and where busy thinking up new ways they could implement more tax cuts to benefit the Rich and bankrupt the middle classes. Do you ever wonder why Bush conveniently likes to dismiss the 9/11 cominssion reports?Hmmmm...


3. They sold military secrets to communist nations who in turn shared info and weapons with the terrorists. Madylyn Albright did not think it was fair that we were more powerful than North Korea and wanted to even the score.


Who are the "they" you are referring to? If you are insinuating that Americans sold weapons technology to the Comunists, I dont know where you got that information. But it is well known that Reagan and GHW Bush funneled millions of $$$ and weapons to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. Plenty of American assets and money where funneled into Iran during the reign of the Shah, Including a nuclear reactor, and fuel. Hmmm where do you think Iran gets it nuclear technology from? Hmmm ... The USA. Who did this? Hmm.. Nixon and Ford...



4. The terrorist we are fighting know that they can influence American elections through media sympathy so they carefully plan their manuvers and the American lefties gobble it up like mama's home cookin.


Actually that is the job of the American PR campaign the Bush administration has hired. Hill & Knowlton is one of the worlds largest PR firms,and they have been hired by the PNAC to off a "softer" light on American aggressions in the Middle east, while simultaiously, paint the "enemy" in a harsher light. It's simple propaganda. The average American that has no stake in this war see the images and doublespeak of the Bush admin, and are sucked into their web of lies and deceit that they are willing to buy anything they have to sell. It's called Doublespeak. GW is good at it, and you are buying it; "This is a war for peace".. Do you see the Doublespeak in the last sentece? I am sure you have heard GW say that before, because he has many times over his dictatorship.



5. People like Geer and Oloe come on here and puke up everything CNN and NPR says over and over again.


Actually, I do not watch any of the Cable News Channels. they do not factually represent what is going on in the world, not do they even have enoght correspopndants to cover the world, like they claim. Plus, you never should never trust any news organization that is owned by large corporations that might have a stake in the news you see. In my mind they are biased.
NPR, too, is too biased for me. I like to watch Foreign news channels. I like BBC, and DW, although I doo keep a leary eye for BS.. Someone keeps spamming , or hacked, whatever you want to call it,the al-Jazeira english page, so getting their perspective is really hard if you have a US based IP address.

So since you made the charges, what have I heard frrom CNN or NPR that I barf up here in this forum?


Sounds like you are trying to defend something that is indefencible. It also shows that you do not have a good grasp on what exactly is going on in our country, and how they are slowly eroding it values and freedoms away. You are buyiing exatly the message they want you to buy.

Yeah, 'cause "freedom is on the march!!..." Right out of your wallet and into theirs.

[daytonafan]

Originally posted by oloenneker


All of this name calling and bickering. And for what??

Well, thank your buddies (james and Boot) for the instigators of that...



. There are Muslim individuals who want us dead because we have personal freedoms and choice.


Come on Dayton!! Thats a canned bushbot reasoning. The real scoop is this:

Osama Bin Laden is upset at the USA because we placed Permanent military bases in Saudia Arabia. He is also upset with the Saudi Raoyal Family because his Mujahadin was not allowed to "handle" the invasion of Kuwait by Saddam Hussein in 1990.

Hezbollah is angry with the USA because of our support of Isreal via arms and funding

Iran is angry at the US for arming Saddam During the Iran-Iraq war (we gave him tons of chemical and biological weapons that Iraq used without mercy on the Iranian forces, with no complaint from the US)

But it sounds so much nicer when you just sum it up as "they hate our freedom"... Thats the Bush PR campaign working it's magic again.



2. Bill Clinton and Janet Reno focused on Microsoft and Joe Camel instead of the ones who were threatening us.

But it still happened (9/11/01) on Bush's watch. Under bush's helm, the CIA and the rest of them ignored the warning signs, and where busy thinking up new ways they could implement more tax cuts to benefit the Rich and bankrupt the middle classes. Do you ever wonder why Bush conveniently likes to dismiss the 9/11 cominssion reports?Hmmmm...


3. They sold military secrets to communist nations who in turn shared info and weapons with the terrorists. Madylyn Albright did not think it was fair that we were more powerful than North Korea and wanted to even the score.


Who are the "they" you are referring to? If you are insinuating that Americans sold weapons technology to the Comunists, I dont know where you got that information. But it is well known that Reagan and GHW Bush funneled millions of $$$ and weapons to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. Plenty of American assets and money where funneled into Iran during the reign of the Shah, Including a nuclear reactor, and fuel. Hmmm where do you think Iran gets it nuclear technology from? Hmmm ... The USA. Who did this? Hmm.. Nixon and Ford...



4. The terrorist we are fighting know that they can influence American elections through media sympathy so they carefully plan their manuvers and the American lefties gobble it up like mama's home cookin.


Actually that is the job of the American PR campaign the Bush administration has hired. Hill & Knowlton is one of the worlds largest PR firms,and they have been hired by the PNAC to off a "softer" light on American aggressions in the Middle east, while simultaiously, paint the "enemy" in a harsher light. It's simple propaganda. The average American that has no stake in this war see the images and doublespeak of the Bush admin, and are sucked into their web of lies and deceit that they are willing to buy anything they have to sell. It's called Doublespeak. GW is good at it, and you are buying it; "This is a war for peace".. Do you see the Doublespeak in the last sentece? I am sure you have heard GW say that before, because he has many times over his dictatorship.



5. People like Geer and Oloe come on here and puke up everything CNN and NPR says over and over again.


Actually, I do not watch any of the Cable News Channels. they do not factually represent what is going on in the world, not do they even have enoght correspopndants to cover the world, like they claim. Plus, you never should never trust any news organization that is owned by large corporations that might have a stake in the news you see. In my mind they are biased.
NPR, too, is too biased for me. I like to watch Foreign news channels. I like BBC, and DW, although I doo keep a leary eye for BS.. Someone keeps spamming , or hacked, whatever you want to call it,the al-Jazeira english page, so getting their perspective is really hard if you have a US based IP address.

So since you made the charges, what have I heard frrom CNN or NPR that I barf up here in this forum?


Sounds like you are trying to defend something that is indefencible. It also shows that you do not have a good grasp on what exactly is going on in our country, and how they are slowly eroding it values and freedoms away. You are buyiing exatly the message they want you to buy.

Yeah, 'cause "freedom is on the march!!..." Right out of your wallet and into theirs.



Give me a break. Am I supposed to be stupid? Everything you post on here is nothing but cable news lies. "Dictatorship"? Did you get that from moveon.org?

NPR and cable news are biased so you don't watch them? Bull****!!!!

Im curious, you say that you are an independant. You say that the Democrats anger you sometimes too. Yet, the only thing you can post is anti-Bush, anti-Republican talking points I hear every day from Rhandi Rhoades.

You are a leftist, a liberal and a Democrat. At least be proud of who you are and admit it. Geez!

I don't have a grasp? Eroding freedoms? You won't even admit that Clinton, Gore, Reno and company twisted the law every chance they got. Maybe your "independant" stance would be believable if you called the left out every once in awhile.

Also Mr. Oloe, please do not sarcasticaly talk down to me like "do you see the doublespeak." While I might not have your intellect, I am a college graduate and I read everything I can get my hands on about Iraq. Both left and right opinions. I have formed my opinion based on what I see as facts. I am also a former leftist. Pro choice, anti gun, voted for Clinton, the whole works. I saw past the lies and got sick of people like Dan Rather and Katie Couric giving me the "news" and trying not to act like they have an agenda. Don't tell me I have no idea what is going on over there. For Pete's sake, quit acting like presidential mistakes and terrorism began with Bush. I shouldn't be surprised, history begins everyday with liberals.

[rob10]

OIL!!!

[oloenneker]

Give me a break. Am I supposed to be stupid? Everything you post on here is nothing but cable news lies. "Dictatorship"? Did you get that from moveon.org?

No I got it from the dictionary.

-dic?ta?tor?ship? [dik-tey-ter-ship, dik-tey-] –noun
1. a country, government, or the form of government in which absolute power is exercised by a dictator.
2. absolute, imperious, or overbearing power or control.
3. the office or position held by a dictator.


NPR and cable news are biased so you don't watch them? Bull****!!!!


I never said I do not watch them, But I said I do not rely on them as my source.



Im curious, you say that you are an independant. You say that the Democrats anger you sometimes too. Yet, the only thing you can post is anti-Bush, anti-Republican talking points I hear every day from Rhandi Rhoades.


I never said that I an Independant. I said that I am not a member of the Democrat Party. Yes, Democrats are morons at times as well. But lately, their follies have paled in camparison to the follies of the Bush admin.
Randi Rhoades?!??! I cant stand that lady. She is just a freaking repeater. None of here topics are opnions of her own. She is just as bad as Al Franken. (I hear her show all the time, the wife likes her. I am trying to weane her off that crap.)



You are a leftist, a liberal and a Democrat. At least be proud of who you are and admit it. Geez!


Leftist? Maybe a little. Liberal, yes! Democrat? No!! But I am proud to be a member of the Green Party. I have even entertained the Ideals of Libertairians as well... But they are too much to right for me.



I don't have a grasp? Eroding freedoms? You won't even admit that Clinton, Gore, Reno and company twisted the law every chance they got. Maybe your "independant" stance would be believable if you called the left out every once in awhile.


Every administration has done this. But only Bush has commited Felonies. Thats the difference.
You dont think that I was mad as hell when the FBI sent tanks into that compound in Waco?! Was I not mad as hell when They shot that lady on ruby ridge?! Yeah, I was mad, and I blamed an inept Attorney General for that. But that was then and this is now.



Also Mr. Oloe, please do not sarcasticaly talk down to me like "do you see the doublespeak." While I might not have your intellect, I am a college graduate and I read everything I can get my hands on about Iraq. Both left and right opinions. I have formed my opinion based on what I see as facts.

Well that is all one can ask. I hope that these are genuine real opnions that you have made, and not ones that are manufactured to make you believe them, because there are plenty of people that do that kind of stuff for a living.



I am also a former leftist. Pro choice, anti gun, voted for Clinton, the whole works.

Thats where I differ. I am pro choice, Pro gun, and I never voted for clinton.



For Pete's sake, quit acting like presidential mistakes and terrorism began with Bush. I shouldn't be surprised, history begins everyday with liberals.

Nope, His daddy planted the seed back in the 90's. I had to go to war because of his daddy. It was my choice, and no one elses. Would I do it again today? Not in this war. Would I do it if I though that there where a substancial enemy that posed a REAL threat to our country? A military force that is invading us? Yes, I will go once again.

What really bothers me about the events on 9/11/01 and the subsequent events that have happened since smell so similar to 1930's Germany, that it really scares the crap out of me. Why does it scare the crap out of me? Well, I used to talk alot with my granfather before he died. He told me about his youth and the time he spent in the Schutzstaffel. (thats the SS to us) He warned me of the tactics used by the government at the time and how they used fear and xnophobia to convince the people for reasons to go to war. The use of corporatisim and it effects on people. The smear of dissent, and the rise of Patriotism and the denouncement of anyone who does not agree.
I see the same paralells today with PNAC and how they manipulate media and justify war. Its almost move by move how paralell it is. Iraq is paralell to Austria, and Iran is Chekoslovakia, and so forth.

Does America need to be on the brink of Civil war, for us all to realize this threat potential that eminates within out own government?