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corny

08-12-2006, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by skrewt
How many years has it been since BC murdered the people at waco? Still no visit to the families.

All the adults at waco deserved to die....I dont feel for any of them...the children I weep for but I personally would have tossed every adult at waco into a woodchipper....

There are still branch davidians still out there....the cult isnt dead and many believe david will come back... those folks need to be burned alive in my opinion.

Lot of religious wack jobs out there...Im not against religion but there are people out there who are truly ignorant...they fall victim to these people like koresh...blindly following them...giving them their kids... these ignorant people need to be exterminated. They have nothing to contribute to society as a whole and as blind followers of madmen they should be considered menaces to society and either burned to death or tossed thru a woodchipper........lol. At least killed in a very violent manner...

The fbi at waco fu*ked up badly..... but the adults there got exactly what they deserved...to be burned to death in a fire....giving them just enough time to suffer and contemplate the serious mistakes in life they had made.

geerair

08-12-2006, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by bootlen

Reality escapes you easily, geer.PRICELESS!!!!!!!

bobby m

08-12-2006, 05:11 PM

HES A HOMO

daytonafan

08-12-2006, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by corny

Originally posted by skrewt
How many years has it been since BC murdered the people at waco? Still no visit to the families.

All the adults at waco deserved to die....I dont feel for any of them...the children I weep for but I personally would have tossed every adult at waco into a woodchipper....

There are still branch davidians still out there....the cult isnt dead and many believe david will come back... those folks need to be burned alive in my opinion.

Lot of religious wack jobs out there...Im not against religion but there are people out there who are truly ignorant...they fall victim to these people like koresh...blindly following them...giving them their kids... these ignorant people need to be exterminated. They have nothing to contribute to society as a whole and as blind followers of madmen they should be considered menaces to society and either burned to death or tossed thru a woodchipper........lol. At least killed in a very violent manner...

The fbi at waco fu*ked up badly..... but the adults there got exactly what they deserved...to be burned to death in a fire....giving them just enough time to suffer and contemplate the serious mistakes in life they had made.

Would any of you ACLU loving, constitution waving, quasi libertarians on this site care to handle this glaring diatribe of ignorance. Oh, I forgot, you bums don't tackle religious rights.

NOBODY deserves to die the way those people did. They were all victims of a perverted philosophy, just like Geer, Braces , Ole and crowd. While these guys are obvious fools, they don't deserve to burn to death.

Clinton and Reno were real tough against 80 poorly armed religious maniacs and an innocent Cuban refugee. Too bad they almost destroyed our proud military.

You guys on here who talk about death and violence the way Corny did are most likely pencil necked geeks who got beat up in grade school. Seriously, as a friend man, seek therapy Corny. That was the most chilling look into someone's personality I have ever read on this site.

Yes Geer, I know... "God is violent" blah, blah, blah............

geerair

08-12-2006, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by daytonafan

Would any of you ACLU loving, constitution waving, quasi libertarians on this site care to handle this glaring diatribe of ignorance. Oh, I forgot, you bums don't tackle religious rights.

NOBODY deserves to die the way those people did. They were all victims of a perverted philosophy, just like Geer, Braces , Ole and crowd. While these guys are obvious fools, they don't deserve to burn to death.

Clinton and Reno were real tough against 80 poorly armed religious maniacs and an innocent Cuban refugee. Too bad they almost destroyed our proud military.

You guys on here who talk about death and violence the way Corny did are most likely pencil necked geeks who got beat up in grade school. Seriously, as a friend man, seek therapy Corny. That was the most chilling look into someone's personality I have ever read on this site.

Yes Geer, I know... "God is violent" blah, blah, blah............ [/B]They shouldn't have set themselves on fire then.

Where is that spirit of personal responsibility the conservatives, Republicans are always yapping about?

Yaweh would have eaten the self-immolation of these people up with a spoon. That kind of thing is pleasing to him.

James 3528

08-12-2006, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by daytonafan

Would any of you ACLU loving, constitution waving, quasi libertarians on this site care to handle this glaring diatribe of ignorance. Oh, I forgot, you bums don't tackle religious rights.

NOBODY deserves to die the way those people did. They were all victims of a perverted philosophy, just like Geer, Braces , Ole and crowd. While these guys are obvious fools, they don't deserve to burn to death.

Clinton and Reno were real tough against 80 poorly armed religious maniacs and an innocent Cuban refugee. Too bad they almost destroyed our proud military.

You guys on here who talk about death and violence the way Corny did are most likely pencil necked geeks who got beat up in grade school. Seriously, as a friend man, seek therapy Corny. That was the most chilling look into someone's personality I have ever read on this site.

Yes Geer, I know... "God is violent" blah, blah, blah............ They shouldn't have set themselves on fire then.

Where is that spirit of personal responsibility the conservatives, Republicans are always yapping about?

Yaweh would have eaten the self-immolation of these people up with a spoon. That kind of thing is pleasing to him. [/B]

The government and Reno used incendiary devices at Wako and lied about it. They also violated the Posse Comitatus Act.

Any other time Rob, Geer and a few other handjobs would be so worried about the NSA listening to Mohammed's telephone calls or worried about him being profiled at the airport.

Where was the ACLU?

corny

08-12-2006, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by daytonafan

Originally posted by corny

Originally posted by skrewt
How many years has it been since BC murdered the people at waco? Still no visit to the families.

All the adults at waco deserved to die....I dont feel for any of them...the children I weep for but I personally would have tossed every adult at waco into a woodchipper....

There are still branch davidians still out there....the cult isnt dead and many believe david will come back... those folks need to be burned alive in my opinion.

Lot of religious wack jobs out there...Im not against religion but there are people out there who are truly ignorant...they fall victim to these people like koresh...blindly following them...giving them their kids... these ignorant people need to be exterminated. They have nothing to contribute to society as a whole and as blind followers of madmen they should be considered menaces to society and either burned to death or tossed thru a woodchipper........lol. At least killed in a very violent manner...

The fbi at waco fu*ked up badly..... but the adults there got exactly what they deserved...to be burned to death in a fire....giving them just enough time to suffer and contemplate the serious mistakes in life they had made.

Would any of you ACLU loving, constitution waving, quasi libertarians on this site care to handle this glaring diatribe of ignorance. Oh, I forgot, you bums don't tackle religious rights.

NOBODY deserves to die the way those people did. They were all victims of a perverted philosophy, just like Geer, Braces , Ole and crowd. While these guys are obvious fools, they don't deserve to burn to death.

Clinton and Reno were real tough against 80 poorly armed religious maniacs and an innocent Cuban refugee. Too bad they almost destroyed our proud military.

You guys on here who talk about death and violence the way Corny did are most likely pencil necked geeks who got beat up in grade school. Seriously, as a friend man, seek therapy Corny. That was the most chilling look into someone's personality I have ever read on this site.

Yes Geer, I know... "God is violent" blah, blah, blah............

Those people deserved to die......they pu their families...children into the hands of a madman....either through ignorance or for some other twisted up reason they were a danger to anyone around them. They deserved to roast a few minutes on earth before they were finally cast into the everlasting fires of hell.

The adults at waco were no different than the insurgents in Iraq or the would be terrorists popping up in the USA, Britain and around the globe.... something in them makes them willing sheep willing to give their blind allegience and sometimes even theier own life ( along with the lives of innocents around them) all for the simple reason of being told to do so.

I do hope a few of these ignorant bastards had time to repent while their flesh was slowly cooking...while the smoke was slowly chocking the life out of them....I hope they had time to reflect on how fu8king stupid they were for falling prey to Koresh....(his actual name was vern something....kids taunting him as a child called him Vernie...lol)

anyhow....they DESERVED death....they knowingly were commiting suicide when they entered the compound at mt carmel.... the only tragedy about the whole thing was these unselfish and ignorant...lets not forget that these folks were very very ignorant...anyhow the tragedy is that these selfish and ignorant people forced their children to join them at mt carmel many willingly giving their children over to the pedophile Koresh.

they deserved it...slowly roasting...screaming out in agony...many probably offering to hand over more kids to koresh in exchange for the burning to stop....lol...what a bunch of losers....

branch davidians roasting on an open fire....lol

know what I mean Vern .....lol

bootlen

08-12-2006, 08:25 PM

Their demise was deserved but what about the kids that burned with them? Was it worth it?

James 3528

08-12-2006, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by corny

Originally posted by daytonafan

Originally posted by corny

Originally posted by skrewt
How many years has it been since BC murdered the people at waco? Still no visit to the families.

All the adults at waco deserved to die....I dont feel for any of them...the children I weep for but I personally would have tossed every adult at waco into a woodchipper....

There are still branch davidians still out there....the cult isnt dead and many believe david will come back... those folks need to be burned alive in my opinion.

Lot of religious wack jobs out there...Im not against religion but there are people out there who are truly ignorant...they fall victim to these people like koresh...blindly following them...giving them their kids... these ignorant people need to be exterminated. They have nothing to contribute to society as a whole and as blind followers of madmen they should be considered menaces to society and either burned to death or tossed thru a woodchipper........lol. At least killed in a very violent manner...

The fbi at waco fu*ked up badly..... but the adults there got exactly what they deserved...to be burned to death in a fire....giving them just enough time to suffer and contemplate the serious mistakes in life they had made.

Would any of you ACLU loving, constitution waving, quasi libertarians on this site care to handle this glaring diatribe of ignorance. Oh, I forgot, you bums don't tackle religious rights.

NOBODY deserves to die the way those people did. They were all victims of a perverted philosophy, just like Geer, Braces , Ole and crowd. While these guys are obvious fools, they don't deserve to burn to death.

Clinton and Reno were real tough against 80 poorly armed religious maniacs and an innocent Cuban refugee. Too bad they almost destroyed our proud military.

You guys on here who talk about death and violence the way Corny did are most likely pencil necked geeks who got beat up in grade school. Seriously, as a friend man, seek therapy Corny. That was the most chilling look into someone's personality I have ever read on this site.

Yes Geer, I know... "God is violent" blah, blah, blah............

Those people deserved to die......they pu their families...children into the hands of a madman....either through ignorance or for some other twisted up reason they were a danger to anyone around them. They deserved to roast a few minutes on earth before they were finally cast into the everlasting fires of hell.

The adults at waco were no different than the insurgents in Iraq or the would be terrorists popping up in the USA, Britain and around the globe.... something in them makes them willing sheep willing to give their blind allegience and sometimes even theier own life ( along with the lives of innocents around them) all for the simple reason of being told to do so.

I do hope a few of these ignorant bastards had time to repent while their flesh was slowly cooking...while the smoke was slowly chocking the life out of them....I hope they had time to reflect on how fu8king stupid they were for falling prey to Koresh....(his actual name was vern something....kids taunting him as a child called him Vernie...lol)

anyhow....they DESERVED death....they knowingly were commiting suicide when they entered the compound at mt carmel.... the only tragedy about the whole thing was these unselfish and ignorant...lets not forget that these folks were very very ignorant...anyhow the tragedy is that these selfish and ignorant people forced their children to join them at mt carmel many willingly giving their children over to the pedophile Koresh.

they deserved it...slowly roasting...screaming out in agony...many probably offering to hand over more kids to koresh in exchange for the burning to stop....lol...what a bunch of losers....

branch davidians roasting on an open fire....lol

know what I mean Vern .....lol

Who are you to decide who should of died there and compare them to people planting road side bombs and beheading people in Iraq ?

Did you go to happy hour?

Yes, they were nut jobs, we have plenty of them and you are scarier than they were. No one, especially a American deserved to die that way at the hands of the government that after the fact lied about their roll. Especially considering the fact that the Sheriff said he would deliver David to the Feds and was tolled to step aside. What you had there was a example of Clinton's separation of church and state.

smokin68

08-12-2006, 09:15 PM

Had they come out peacefully noone would have died. It's easy to blame the gov't, but just as much blame goes to the Branch Davidians. If they had opened fire on the gov't workers with their vast amount of firearms, you Davidian supporters would be singing a different tune, why weren't they forced out? They were killed because they refused to surrender. The children were victims of David Koresh, noone else. Sad, but true.

sline-dawg

08-12-2006, 10:10 PM

The beginning of the end of freedom of religion..... and YOUR freedom of expression.....

If we don't like your philosophies.... your toast.

If you don't tow our line.....dittos.

One big God fearing country..... Love it or else.

James 3528

08-13-2006, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by smokin68
Had they come out peacefully noone would have died. It's easy to blame the gov't, but just as much blame goes to the Branch Davidians. If they had opened fire on the gov't workers with their vast amount of firearms, you Davidian supporters would be singing a different tune, why weren't they forced out? They were killed because they refused to surrender. The children were victims of David Koresh, noone else. Sad, but true.

Bullshet

If Al Sharpton, or a couple of Janet Reno's lawyer friends from the ACLU or Barbara Streisand had been in there it would have been a different approach. The fact the children were in there deserved a different approach. Tell me, have you seen the burned skull of a kid that died there? Would you like to see one?
You wanna make the leap which is what you are doing that it is okay for a government sniper to snuff out a kid going after a bank robber?

smokin68

08-13-2006, 05:02 AM

Nobody likes seeing a kid die James, just sometimes it happens due to the adult. Would you not shoot a islamic terrorist's kid strapped with a bomb running towards a crowd? I would. Not the kid's fault the parents put them in that situation. I'd like to hear your peaceful solution to the Branch Davidian. They were armed like a military.....think they were coming out peacefully? Bull$het is right.

acmanko

08-13-2006, 07:28 AM

James is not capable of remembering what really went on down in Waco, cause he was hung up on TK.

corny

08-13-2006, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by smokin68
Had they come out peacefully noone would have died. It's easy to blame the gov't, but just as much blame goes to the Branch Davidians. If they had opened fire on the gov't workers with their vast amount of firearms, you Davidian supporters would be singing a different tune, why weren't they forced out? They were killed because they refused to surrender. The children were victims of David Koresh, noone else. Sad, but true.

UH..... they were victims of having very very very selfish and ignorant parents.... their parents are the ones who brought them to mt carmel and some of the parents even handed their kids over to Koresh for his sexual needs.....

It may have been an FBI munition that started the blaze but it was the branch davidians in the compound pouring gasoline on everything and everyone.....including their kids. The adults at waco....they got what they deserved....

These people were not terrorists... but .....if david koresh...vernie...had ordered these people to bomb a day care center or start kidnapping kids for koresh they would have done so.... there is no question about that...mt carmel was a time bomb.

religious wack jobs....no different than the wack jobs over in the mid east

daytonafan

08-13-2006, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by daytonafan

Would any of you ACLU loving, constitution waving, quasi libertarians on this site care to handle this glaring diatribe of ignorance. Oh, I forgot, you bums don't tackle religious rights.

NOBODY deserves to die the way those people did. They were all victims of a perverted philosophy, just like Geer, Braces , Ole and crowd. While these guys are obvious fools, they don't deserve to burn to death.

Clinton and Reno were real tough against 80 poorly armed religious maniacs and an innocent Cuban refugee. Too bad they almost destroyed our proud military.

You guys on here who talk about death and violence the way Corny did are most likely pencil necked geeks who got beat up in grade school. Seriously, as a friend man, seek therapy Corny. That was the most chilling look into someone's personality I have ever read on this site.

Yes Geer, I know... "God is violent" blah, blah, blah............ They shouldn't have set themselves on fire then.

Where is that spirit of personal responsibility the conservatives, Republicans are always yapping about?

Yaweh would have eaten the self-immolation of these people up with a spoon. That kind of thing is pleasing to him. [/B]

So they don't have freedom of religion under the constitution Geer? Interesting peek into the double standard that is your opinion.

Also, there is evidence that shows the ATF started that fire.

James 3528

08-13-2006, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by smokin68
Nobody likes seeing a kid die James, just sometimes it happens due to the adult. Would you not shoot a islamic terrorist's kid strapped with a bomb running towards a crowd? I would. Not the kid's fault the parents put them in that situation. I'd like to hear your peaceful solution to the Branch Davidian. They were armed like a military.....think they were coming out peacefully? Bull$het is right.

Guy, I can tell you and dolts like Mankow don't know squat about the Davidian episode. You haven't even address what I already wrote. US Special forces were at the site which was a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act which again you probably don't know squat about. The Sheriff said he would ride out to the compound and get the nut job but the higher ups wanted a dog and pony show.
2.5 miles from me is a wall with the names of the Federal Agents that died there. All that died in the line of duty that trained here have their names on the wall. I have personally talked with people that were there. They said those guys which were their friends and buddies as well as those people inside didn't need to die. The tanks and the Army didn't need to be there. You had a justice department that admitted wrong by it's head who was Janet Reno and that same command structure had one of it's agents in that era kill a woman with a sniper rifle holding a baby.

I knew when I wrote the post above that your argument would be so weak that you would mention Iraq. I haven't drank beer with any soldier that has been in Iraq and I have drank beer with a lot that regrets being there.

I have drank beer with ATF Agents that regret the Davidian episode and regret attacking Americans with Tanks, Helicopters and Special forces troops being on site. One particular older Agent that was prior military brought up a great point pertaining to standoffs. He said we let the armed Iranian religious militants invade our embassy and hold our people for a couple of years and did nothing and we give them plenty of time. We cut off supplies to other countries and wait for that action to bring about a desired remedy. But something that could of been handled with the local law enforcement turns into dead women and children and his fellow agents getting their name added to a wall.

Like I said. The Clinton Administration showing their definition of church and state.

acmanko

08-13-2006, 11:02 AM

Drink a beer with me an you'll learn something about the future, instead of what a bunch of hasbeens talking about the past learns you.

James 3528

08-13-2006, 11:04 AM

No thanks, they weren't fags and they were there.

smokin68

08-13-2006, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by James 3528

Guy, I can tell you and dolts like Mankow don't know squat about the Davidian episode. You haven't even address what I already wrote. US Special forces were at the site which was a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act which again you probably don't know squat about. The Sheriff said he would ride out to the compound and get the nut job but the higher ups wanted a dog and pony show.

First off, I know as much about the Davidian episode as you do, since neither of us were there, and hearing stories over beer equals reading about it from a third party.We violated an Act??? So what. You really believe Barney (as you've called them) could have gotten him out? Laughable.

I have personally talked with people that were there. They said those guys which were their friends and buddies as well as those people inside didn't need to die. The tanks and the Army didn't need to be there.

You rely on Barney and his .38 ............

I knew when I wrote the post above that your argument would be so weak that you would mention Iraq. I haven't drank beer with any soldier that has been in Iraq and I have drank beer with a lot that regrets being there.

nothing weak, nothing about Iraq, just you adding a long-winded reply for a smokescreen,as usual.

I have drank beer with ATF Agents that regret the Davidian episode

Regret the Davidian episode? No $hit.

I'm sure a Republican would have handled it differently, perhaps first going after David Koresh and then shifting his focus to Saddam Hussein,right?

I have a cousin in Iraq, maybe if I have a beer with him on his next leave he'll tell me he regrets the war. Everyone who doesn't see things your way is a Dolt. You and Robo should write a book about everything so all the rest of us don't have to look outside of one source for answers.

James 3528

08-13-2006, 11:22 AM

None of that is relevant. Knowing ATF agents and generalizing them as Barney shows your character. Nuff said.

Reno said they fuked up. Nuff said.

Mankow and you are in fact dolts. Nuff said.

James 3528

08-13-2006, 11:30 AM

Here is where you will find Barney's friend Smokin. As I said, a couple of miles from my house.

Google the names of the Agents that died in Texas and you will get a match. They are at the top of the list. Enjoy.

http://www.fletc.gov/about-fletc/fletc-graduates-memorial

smokin68

08-13-2006, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by James 3528
None of that is relevant. Knowing ATF agents and generalizing them as Barney shows your character. Nuff said.

Put down the liquor long enough to read what I wrote, in which Barney is the SHERIFF, not the ATF.

Reno said they fuked up. Nuff said.

Mankow and you are in fact dolts. Nuff said.

You're the most opinionated person there is....NUFF SAID.
At least a Democrat can admit a mistake.......NUFF SAID.

James 3528

08-13-2006, 11:35 AM

Thanks, "most opinionated" is a lot better than in your case which is "most wrong".

Trivializing the Sheriff as "Barney" to justify those deaths after Reno said it was a fuk up and trying to politicize it shows how really stupid you are. It is not the locals Sheriffs across the country calling in Army Special Forces to deal with religious nut jobs.

James 3528

08-13-2006, 11:37 AM

[i]Originally posted by smokin68

Put down the liquor long enough to read what I wrote, in which Barney is the SHERIFF, not the ATF.

What you should do is learn how to write outside the quote bars

RoBoTeq

08-13-2006, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by James 3528

Originally posted by corny

Originally posted by daytonafan

Originally posted by corny

Originally posted by skrewt
How many years has it been since BC murdered the people at waco? Still no visit to the families.

All the adults at waco deserved to die....I dont feel for any of them...the children I weep for but I personally would have tossed every adult at waco into a woodchipper....

There are still branch davidians still out there....the cult isnt dead and many believe david will come back... those folks need to be burned alive in my opinion.

Lot of religious wack jobs out there...Im not against religion but there are people out there who are truly ignorant...they fall victim to these people like koresh...blindly following them...giving them their kids... these ignorant people need to be exterminated. They have nothing to contribute to society as a whole and as blind followers of madmen they should be considered menaces to society and either burned to death or tossed thru a woodchipper........lol. At least killed in a very violent manner...

The fbi at waco fu*ked up badly..... but the adults there got exactly what they deserved...to be burned to death in a fire....giving them just enough time to suffer and contemplate the serious mistakes in life they had made.

Would any of you ACLU loving, constitution waving, quasi libertarians on this site care to handle this glaring diatribe of ignorance. Oh, I forgot, you bums don't tackle religious rights.

NOBODY deserves to die the way those people did. They were all victims of a perverted philosophy, just like Geer, Braces , Ole and crowd. While these guys are obvious fools, they don't deserve to burn to death.

Clinton and Reno were real tough against 80 poorly armed religious maniacs and an innocent Cuban refugee. Too bad they almost destroyed our proud military.

You guys on here who talk about death and violence the way Corny did are most likely pencil necked geeks who got beat up in grade school. Seriously, as a friend man, seek therapy Corny. That was the most chilling look into someone's personality I have ever read on this site.

Yes Geer, I know... "God is violent" blah, blah, blah............

Those people deserved to die......they pu their families...children into the hands of a madman....either through ignorance or for some other twisted up reason they were a danger to anyone around them. They deserved to roast a few minutes on earth before they were finally cast into the everlasting fires of hell.

The adults at waco were no different than the insurgents in Iraq or the would be terrorists popping up in the USA, Britain and around the globe.... something in them makes them willing sheep willing to give their blind allegience and sometimes even theier own life ( along with the lives of innocents around them) all for the simple reason of being told to do so.

I do hope a few of these ignorant bastards had time to repent while their flesh was slowly cooking...while the smoke was slowly chocking the life out of them....I hope they had time to reflect on how fu8king stupid they were for falling prey to Koresh....(his actual name was vern something....kids taunting him as a child called him Vernie...lol)

anyhow....they DESERVED death....they knowingly were commiting suicide when they entered the compound at mt carmel.... the only tragedy about the whole thing was these unselfish and ignorant...lets not forget that these folks were very very ignorant...anyhow the tragedy is that these selfish and ignorant people forced their children to join them at mt carmel many willingly giving their children over to the pedophile Koresh.

they deserved it...slowly roasting...screaming out in agony...many probably offering to hand over more kids to koresh in exchange for the burning to stop....lol...what a bunch of losers....

branch davidians roasting on an open fire....lol

know what I mean Vern .....lol

Who are you to decide who should of died there and compare them to people planting road side bombs and beheading people in Iraq ?

Did you go to happy hour?

Yes, they were nut jobs, we have plenty of them and you are scarier than they were. No one, especially a American deserved to die that way at the hands of the government that after the fact lied about their roll. Especially considering the fact that the Sheriff said he would deliver David to the Feds and was tolled to step aside. What you had there was a example of Clinton's separation of church and state.
James and I are on the same page on this one. The moment any American is able to decide who "deserves" to live and die based on their beliefs is the day the U.S. dies.

James 3528

08-13-2006, 11:53 AM

Interesting read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege

Note the Gov lying to the Texas National Guard

acmanko

08-13-2006, 11:54 AM

James and I are on the same page on this one. The moment any American is able to decide who "deserves" to live and die based on their beliefs is the day the U.S. dies.
__________________ Of course this doesn't include the Iraqi civilians or the brave U.S. Service men and women dying over there

James 3528

08-13-2006, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by acmanko
James and I are on the same page on this one. The moment any American is able to decide who "deserves" to live and die based on their beliefs is the day the U.S. dies.
__________________ Of course this doesn't include the Iraqi civilians or the brave U.S. Service men and women dying over there

No it doesn't. It is not even near the same subject. If you weren't so stupid, you would know that. But since you are stuck on stupid you keep making stupid analogies. Like the other stupid people here.

acmanko

08-13-2006, 11:59 AM

actually I was there, Waco, being about 1.5 hours from my home made it easy for me to go down with my telescope and watch.

RoBoTeq

08-13-2006, 12:00 PM

As much as I disagreed with the Branch Davidians and their way of living, as an American, I will fight for their rights to believe and do as they wish as long as it is within the limits of the law. Our government did not support U.S. freedoms when it came to the Branch Davidians. This sets a precident where our government can pick and choose who is allowed to have inalienable rights and who is not. That should scare everyone.

Mostly, what got the Davidians in the spotlight were reports from people claiming their family members were being kept under cultist means of programming and were not being given the choice of free will. This argument has never held up based on interviews with Davidian members. They may have been goofy bastards, but they chose to be where they were and that is what being an American is all about.

acmanko

08-13-2006, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by James 3528

Originally posted by acmanko
James and I are on the same page on this one. The moment any American is able to decide who "deserves" to live and die based on their beliefs is the day the U.S. dies.
__________________ Of course this doesn't include the Iraqi civilians or the brave U.S. Service men and women dying over there

No it doesn't. It is not even near the same subject. If you weren't so stupid, you would know that. But since you are stuck on stupid you keep making stupid analogies. Like the other stupid people here. so it does include them?

smokin68

08-13-2006, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
As much as I disagreed with the Branch Davidians and their way of living, as an American, I will fight for their rights to believe and do as they wish as long as it is within the limits of the law.

Here's the key....they were being accused of BREAKING the LAW... but wouldn't let agents with warrants in. Here's from James own site....

Some former members from Koresh's group alleged that he practiced polygamy with underage brides, physically abused children, and stockpiled illegal weapons. Eventually, legal authorities investigated their charges. On February 28, 1993, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) raided Mount Carmel, resulting in the deaths of four agents and six Davidians. The subsequent 51-day siege ended on April 19 when the complex was completely consumed by fire, killing seventy-six Davidians, among whom were twenty-seven children and Koresh himself.

The government put some of the survivors on trial. All were acquitted of conspiring to murder federal agents, but some were convicted of voluntary manslaughter. Skeptics continue to dispute official government inquiries that claim to definitively prove that the fire was set on the inside by Davidians.

For more information, see Waco Siege.

Yes they were wackos. No you're not allowed to do whatever you want on your own property if you're breaking the law, including underage sex and polygamy. They didn't have that many weapons knowing they were doing no wrong. Argue all you want to,like I stated earlier,had they come out it would have ended differently.

daytonafan

08-13-2006, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by smokin68

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
As much as I disagreed with the Branch Davidians and their way of living, as an American, I will fight for their rights to believe and do as they wish as long as it is within the limits of the law.

Here's the key....they were being accused of BREAKING the LAW... but wouldn't let agents with warrants in. Here's from James own site....

Some former members from Koresh's group alleged that he practiced polygamy with underage brides, physically abused children, and stockpiled illegal weapons. Eventually, legal authorities investigated their charges. On February 28, 1993, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) raided Mount Carmel, resulting in the deaths of four agents and six Davidians. The subsequent 51-day siege ended on April 19 when the complex was completely consumed by fire, killing seventy-six Davidians, among whom were twenty-seven children and Koresh himself.

The government put some of the survivors on trial. All were acquitted of conspiring to murder federal agents, but some were convicted of voluntary manslaughter. Skeptics continue to dispute official government inquiries that claim to definitively prove that the fire was set on the inside by Davidians.

For more information, see Waco Siege.

Yes they were wackos. No you're not allowed to do whatever you want on your own property if you're breaking the law, including underage sex and polygamy. They didn't have that many weapons knowing they were doing no wrong. Argue all you want to,like I stated earlier,had they come out it would have ended differently.

O.K. lets see here... North Korea, Osama bin Laden, Iran, China, other terrorist organizations and factions...not a problem.

80 religious nuts in a pole barn, one innocent Cuban refugee, and one seperatist minding his own business in the mountains.....big time threats

You idiots who defend the Clinton/ Reno dog and pony show are laughable. ABSOLUTE POWER corrupts.

Oh I almost forgot billions spent trying to snuff out tobacco and Microsoft.... LOL!!!!! What a bunch of jokesters......

smokin68

08-13-2006, 02:19 PM

There's no bigger "dog and pony" show than "W" trying to finish what daddy started, only not smart enough to do so. Where's Bin Ladin anyways? Haven't heard many updates. My cousin was being trained to track him, but ended up in Iraq.Nothing wrong with battling monopolys and wrong business practice,like microsoft and tobacco.How's Bush done on the oil situation???? Hummm.

rob10

08-13-2006, 02:49 PM

RoBoTeq

08-13-2006, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by smokin68
There's no bigger "dog and pony" show than "W" trying to finish what daddy started, only not smart enough to do so. Where's Bin Ladin anyways? Haven't heard many updates. My cousin was being trained to track him, but ended up in Iraq.Nothing wrong with battling monopolys and wrong business practice,like microsoft and tobacco.How's Bush done on the oil situation???? Hummm.

I had no idea that there were still idiots around that continue to propagate the myth that our first President Bush did not finish what he started. The first Gulf War was completely and utterly completed as it was laid out by worldwide participating nations. It was absolutely stated from the beginning that in no way was the U.S. to occupy Bagdad or take out Saddam Hussein.

What is with some of you people who continue to chew on the vomit that was spewed out and discredited years ago?

James 3528

08-13-2006, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by rob10

Originally posted by James 3528

Originally posted by acmanko
James and I are on the same page on this one. The moment any American is able to decide who "deserves" to live and die based on their beliefs is the day the U.S. dies.
__________________ Of course this doesn't include the Iraqi civilians or the brave U.S. Service men and women dying over there

No it doesn't. It is not even near the same subject. If you weren't so stupid, you would know that. But since you are stuck on stupid you keep making stupid analogies. Like the other stupid people here. Likes to pick and chooose the facts depending on which debate he's in. That's Georgia education showing it's ugly backside!!

Iraq has nothing to do with Wako, idiot.

acmanko

08-13-2006, 07:40 PM

But choosing who and when one dies does.

rubberduck

08-13-2006, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by skrewt
How many years has it been since BC murdered the people at waco? Still no visit to the families.

I thought is was the ATF that killed the criminals at Waco?

Was Bill there? I didn't see him anywhere. If you are going to put your misplaced anger and blame at least put it at the feet of Janet Reno. She was in charge of that particular govt agency at the time.

corny

08-13-2006, 09:14 PM

Weavers wife and kids ...Im not going to say they were outright murdered...but they were killed in cold blood by incompetant law enforcement personnel.... that is the biggest problem with waco, ruby ridge...even the 9/11 tragedy... we have a federal government..and also state and local governments that are full of conceited and incompetant *******s. Most of these people are hired thru favoritism or appointed because of political ties. Government employees...no matter what job classification are never the cream of the crop either...if they were any good they would have a decent job in the private sector...~:>
The sniper who killed weavers wife and infant son should have been hanged...
He took a clear shot at a mother holding an infant...
lord knows what was going thru his mind when he pulled the trigger...
The officials who shot his other older son probably just were not well trained....I think this kid was armed.....

Anyhow....its government incompetance in all these actions that is at least partly responsible for the deaths...though in the case of waco I beleive that was a mass suicide...brought on by the seige but when you have religious wackjobs pouring gasoline over themselves and their kids....well...you cant blame the government for that.

Even 9/11... we had so much information on those guys but agencies wouldnt cooperate with each other...its just plain ignorance...there should have been incompetance charges brought against many of these fbi and cia and nsa officials.

There will always be incompetance in government...the bureaucracy is so huge and complex...its impossible not to have major fu*k ups.

bootlen

08-13-2006, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by corny
state and local governments that are full of conceited and incompetant *******s.

Got a speedin' ticket yesterday, huh?

smokin68

08-13-2006, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
[QUOTE][
I had no idea that there were still idiots around that continue to propagate the myth that our first President Bush did not finish what he started. The first Gulf War was completely and utterly completed as it was laid out by worldwide participating nations. It was absolutely stated from the beginning that in no way was the U.S. to occupy Bagdad or take out Saddam Hussein.

What is with some of you people who continue to chew on the vomit that was spewed out and discredited years ago?

Edited out..... we'll see if this Bush finishes.

[Edited by smokin68 on 08-14-2006 at 07:29 AM]

bootlen

08-14-2006, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by smokin68

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
[QUOTE][
I had no idea that there were still idiots around that continue to propagate the myth that our first President Bush did not finish what he started. The first Gulf War was completely and utterly completed as it was laid out by worldwide participating nations. It was absolutely stated from the beginning that in no way was the U.S. to occupy Bagdad or take out Saddam Hussein.

What is with some of you people who continue to chew on the vomit that was spewed out and discredited years ago?

Edited out..... we'll see if this Bush finishes.

[Edited by smokin68 on 08-14-2006 at 07:29 AM]

He won't if the libs have their way.

RoBoTeq

08-14-2006, 03:29 PM

RoBoTeq

08-14-2006, 03:34 PM

There is not time for President Bush to conclude the war on Islamic terrorism he has propogated. It will be up to the next president of the U.S. to pick up the ball and run with it, or toss it to the enemy for a defeat.

I don't believe that any president, Republican, Democrat or other, will back away from the direction that President Bush has steered us toward in this global fight against Islamic terrorism.

skrewt

08-14-2006, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by rubberduck

Originally posted by skrewt
How many years has it been since BC murdered the people at waco? Still no visit to the families.

I thought is was the ATF that killed the criminals at Waco?

Was Bill there? I didn't see him anywhere. If you are going to put your misplaced anger and blame at least put it at the feet of Janet Reno. She was in charge of that particular govt agency at the time.

This coming from a guy who believes GW should take the blame for everyone he ever talked to.

Janet Reno was a puppet. If you read anything about BC you would know that he (and Hillary) were micromanagers. Nothing happened without their input, especially something as high profile as Waco was.

sysint

08-14-2006, 06:48 PM

Yaweh would have eaten the self-immolation of these people up with a spoon. That kind of thing is pleasing to him.

Please back up that statement. I'm surprised, as I thought you were an atheist. So, if you are an atheist, this comment seems retarded. If you are not an atheist, prove your assertion.

geerair

08-14-2006, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by sysint
Please back up that statement. I'm surprised, as I thought you were an atheist.I am.

So, if you are an atheist, this comment seems retarded. How so?

geerair

08-14-2006, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
There is not time for President Bush to conclude the war on Islamic terrorism he has propogated. It will be up to the next president of the U.S. to pick up the ball and run with it, or toss it to the enemy for a defeat.In other words some other poor schmuck will be stuck having to clean up Bush's mess.

I don't believe that any president, Republican, Democrat or other, will back away from the direction that President Bush has steered us toward in this global fight against Islamic terrorism.Hmmmmmmm........good thing we had those 130,000 troops in Iraq to fight the terrorists in England.

bootlen

08-14-2006, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
There is not time for President Bush to conclude the war on Islamic terrorism he has propogated. It will be up to the next president of the U.S. to pick up the ball and run with it, or toss it to the enemy for a defeat.In other words some other poor schmuck will be stuck having to clean up Bush's mess.

I don't believe that any president, Republican, Democrat or other, will back away from the direction that President Bush has steered us toward in this global fight against Islamic terrorism.Hmmmmmmm........good thing we had those 130,000 troops in Iraq to fight the terrorists in England.

Hmmmmmmmm........you are a bigger idiot than I could have dreamed.

sysint

08-14-2006, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by sysint
Please back up that statement. I'm surprised, as I thought you were an atheist.I am.

So, if you are an atheist, this comment seems retarded. How so?

You are making a comment based on what you believe to be a myth. What's the point?

Even so, you made the point: "Yaweh would have eaten the self-immolation of these people up with a spoon. That kind of thing is pleasing to him."

Prove it.

geerair

08-14-2006, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by bootlen

Hmmmmmmmm........you are a bigger idiot than I could have dreamed. You mean you don't think it was good planning on Bush's part to have 130,000 troops handy in Iraq to fight terrorists in England? Maybe you think it also wasn't good military tactics to have 130,000 troops deployed in Iraq so that they could respond quickly to the terrorist cell in Miami?

geerair

08-14-2006, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by sysint
You are making a comment based on what you believe to be a myth. What's the point? Comment on the deity as portrayed in the bible. Just like we can comment on Yossarian in Catch-22.

Even so, you made the point: "Yaweh would have eaten the self-immolation of these people up with a spoon. That kind of thing is pleasing to him."

Prove it.Look in the bible; all sorts of stories on god ordered and condoned killings and burnings. He likes that stuff.

bootlen

08-14-2006, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by bootlen

Hmmmmmmmm........you are a bigger idiot than I could have dreamed. You mean you don't think it was good planning on Bush's part to have 130,000 troops handy in Iraq to fight terrorists in England? Maybe you think it also wasn't good military tactics to have 130,000 troops deployed in Iraq so that they could respond quickly to the terrorist cell in Miami?

What I meant was...W's placement of troops anywhere has no effect on how big of an idiot you are. You have singularly merited that dubious honor all alone.

geerair

08-14-2006, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by bootlen

What I meant was...W's placement of troops anywhere has no effect on how big of an idiot you are. You have singularly merited that dubious honor all alone. So, you do not think the 130,000 in Iraq are fighting terrorists?

Why do you hate America and our troops?

[Edited by geerair on 08-14-2006 at 09:59 PM]

bootlen

08-14-2006, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by bootlen

What I meant was...W's placement of troops anywhere has no effect on how big of an idiot you are. You have singularly merited that dubious honor all alone. So, you not think the 130,000 in Iraq are fighting terrorists?

Why do you hate America and our troops?

Let me guess. You now have a K-5er reading for you.

geerair

08-14-2006, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by bootlen

Let me guess. You now have a K-5er reading for you.Yes, you are probably better off not answering the questions.

bootlen

08-14-2006, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by geerair
Yes, you are probably better off not answering the questions.

You don't ask questions. You put together some words followed by a question mark...er...one of these: ? That does not a question make. There has to be some coherency to it. None of your posts have that attribute.

sysint

08-14-2006, 10:17 PM

Look in the bible; all sorts of stories on god ordered and condoned killings and burnings. He likes that stuff.

I see. Baseless comments with no proof to back up your statement.

geerair

08-14-2006, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by bootlen
You don't ask questions. You put together some words followed by a question mark...er...one of these: ? That does not a question make. There has to be some coherency to it. None of your posts have that attribute.Yes, yes, the questions are difficult for one of such rabid devotion to Dear Leader. You probably wouldn't be able to sleep if you actually thought about the implications of Dear Leader's fine generalship.

bootlen

08-14-2006, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by bootlen
You don't ask questions. You put together some words followed by a question mark...er...one of these: ? That does not a question make. There has to be some coherency to it. None of your posts have that attribute.Yes, yes, the questions are difficult for one of such rabid devotion to Dear Leader. You probably wouldn't be able to sleep if you actually thought about the implications of Dear Leader's fine generalship.

Oh. Okay.

geerair

08-14-2006, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by bootlen

Oh. Okay.And there you have it folks, an admission from a fervent Bush groupie.

rubberduck

08-14-2006, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by RoBoTeq

Originally posted by rubberduck

Originally posted by skrewt
How many years has it been since BC murdered the people at waco? Still no visit to the families.

I thought is was the ATF that killed the criminals at Waco?

Was Bill there? I didn't see him anywhere. If you are going to put your misplaced anger and blame at least put it at the feet of Janet Reno. She was in charge of that particular govt agency at the time.

Define "criminals".

Criminals- 1) One who has commited a crime. 2) One who has been covicted of commiting a crime. As defined by Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictonary.

1. At the time it was a crime to have fully automatic
weapons.

2. Shots were fired at law enforcement. That is a crime. It is also a crime even if it is not a law enforcement officer.

3. The shots that were fired found a target. That is a crime.

The list goes on and on. It does not matter who shot first. The ending or outcome of the whole thing does not matter. The simple fact was if they had not broken laws then none of this would have happened. They violated the law of the land and when they were going to be brought to task they basically said "kiss my a$$". Well criminals can kiss my a$$. You can't just break the law because you don't agree with it. The law doesn't work that way. That is something that we teach our young children, however, we seem to have some adults that forget that.

oloenneker

08-15-2006, 12:47 AM

Well criminals can kiss my a$$

Well, OK...

A crime in a nontechnical sense is an act that violates a political or moral rule. In many nations, informal sanctions have been found to be ineffective for controlling some types of antisocial behaviour, so the system of social control has had to be formalised by the government. Laws are designed to regulate human behaviour and the state provides remedies and sanctions to protect its citizens if the laws are broken. Not all breaches of the law are considered crimes, however, for example breaches of contract. The label of "crime" and the accompanying social stigma are usually reserved for those activities causing more serious loss and damage to the citizens of the state. Its use is intended to reflect a consensus of condemnation for the identified behaviour and, in the event that an accused is convicted following a trial applying principles of due process, to justify the state imposing punishment, although the term is used technically also when criminal law is used to regulate minor infractions, e.g. traffic violations. Usually, the perpetrator of the crime is a natural person, but in some jurisdictions and in some moral environments, also legal persons are considered to have the capability of committing crimes. In figurative sense, even the state can be said to commit a crime, although in judicial sense this is often not the case.