More Obama arrogance

[RoBoTeq]

Obama once again is making decisions that he himself had stated prior that he has no right to make. Not only is Obama making the decision to give 800,000 illegal immigrants amnesty, he is telling us that it is not amnesty and that he doesn't want to be questioned about his decision. In responding to a reporter who asked him to defend his comments that by giving 800,000 illegal immigrants amnesty he is doing the right thing for Americans, he flat out tells the reporter that he does not like being questioned and has no intention of arguing over the fact that he didn't answer the question asked. Granted, the reporter was not following protocol and did interrupt Obama's bullcrap speech, but check out how Obama addresses the reporter near the end of the video; http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/15/statements-from-the-daily-caller-regarding-exchange-in-white-house-rose-garden/

Obama says that he personally has spoken to illegal immigrants who live in fear of deportation. No surprise there; at least two of them are Obama's relatives!

Obama says that these 800,000 illegal immigrants are Americans in every way but having the paperwork. Well hell, we are all doctors and lawyers and anything else we want to be.....without the paperwork!

Obama says that these 800,000 thousand illegal immigrants will be beneficial to the U.S. in the future. He is of course referring to the fact that he will have another 800,000 votes.

OMG! (Obama Must Go!)

[coolwhip]

It doesn't get any more irrational and ludicrous as this. This SOB thinks he can just pass everything by executive order and bypass the voice of Americans with out question.

Makes my blood boil!

Col. Allan West commenting >>>http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d04_1339782597

[Gcanno]

I wonder what the Native Americans think about Immigration?, everyone's a hypocrite in this Country some are just bigger than others.

[MicahWes]

800,000 / 311, 500, 000 (US Pop) = 0.26%

[Tool-Slinger]

800,000 jobs, not sure how that will compute.

Plus the rush of illegals given the 'green light' of amnesty. I am now backing off of my previous support of a border fence, the rush is just too much. A fence is useless.

Legal employment, basically a green card, is legal citizenship in three years I think. You can then 'sponsor' in family.

I think the "military service' exception is a faked policy, that was already in place.

Obama is trying to 'executive order' his re-election.

[pacnw]

I wonder what the Native Americans think about Immigration?, everyone's a hypocrite in this Country some are just bigger than others.

You forgot the word "illegal", oh it was not back then.

I just do not see how anyone cannot know this is purely political, for the votes and to hell with the consequences.

I would say this no matter which party did it!!

How about he does this, they cannot vote and everyone must show proof of citizenship to vote?

[Tool-Slinger]

I wonder what the Native Americans think about Immigration?, everyone's a hypocrite in this Country some are just bigger than others.
Pretty well accepted fact that "natives' drove out previous NATIVES. Lame point.

[RoBoTeq]

800,000 / 311, 500, 000 (US Pop) = 0.26%
Give your opinion to those American citizens who are unemployed.

Then count up how many American citizen relatives each of those 800,000 illegal immigrants have who can vote.

The bottom line is that the president is not supposed to be by-passing the legal process for making laws. Obama knows that there is no way he could have ever got what he is doing past Congress.

[RoBoTeq]

I wonder what the Native Americans think about Immigration?, everyone's a hypocrite in this Country some are just bigger than others.
"Native" Americans have all been dead for quite some time. Those who were the ancestors of today's decendants of native Americans lost a war. They chose the wrong side when the colonies declared independence and fought with both the English and the French Canadians against the U.S.

It may not have been fair and it may not have been moral, but it is what it is and it's time for the decendants of the losers to buck up and take control of their lives instead of continuing to whine over entitlement.

[allan38]

I have a lot of mixed feelings about the question of illegal immigration.
I'm a law and order kind of guy who respects the rule of law (and not man or local hat wearer's whim.)


In the US system, we are generally lax about which laws we enforce. So many laws, so little time. Does it bring in revenue or political support to the local government? Will failure to enforce it incur a direct cost in money or political support to the governmental entity that is paying the bills.
The president is directing the INS not to deport in certain circumstances. Slick and tricky.
Yes it's compassionate, it does rub me the wrong way. It's pandering to a potential voting block. (illegals who vote anyway) It's not affecting his paycheck, it may affect the total school aid available to citizens but they won't feel that other than complaining about Congress and school funding allocations.

The GOP gave him the issue and he ran with it.

At the same time, I know some illegal immigrants, good people who work hard and stay out of trouble. I wouldn't want to see them deported. One of the good things about humans is we have the capacity to take care of ourselves if given the chance.

The laws as they are now are broken and no one has the political will and vision to create a viable solution.
The laws are a patchwork of legislation administered by a under funded behemoth who is unable to react.

We need to stem the uncontrolled influx of people and make it easier to get in legally.
What are we going to do about the 12 million that are here already. We had a 305 million total population in 2008, that made the Mexican born populace roughly 4% of the total population.
I favor a 10 year probationary period, stay out of trouble and stay. No welfare benefits until full citizenship. Minor things like speeding tickets or broken tail lights shouldn't trigger deportation. The President's administrative policy isn't without merit. It's for those who stay out of trouble. Get into severe enough trouble and do the time and get deported.
I also favor a fence, with guards, response teams and guns on both the northern and southern borders. In for a penny, in for a pound as the British say.


Immigration is a hard question. The illegal situation in our country is caused by failure to enforce the laws for a long time. I've heard that good fences make for good neighbors. According to 2008 data, 11% of the people born in Mexico are now living in the US. 32% of all immigrants living in the US are Mexican. At that ratio, there are 37.5m total immigrants in the US. That's a lot of burritos, pirogis, pho and pasties.

Migrant workers are an issue in almost every country.
Illegal ones are vulnerable to being exploited, creating a lot of suffering to the advantage of the powerful. How can we create a immigrant policy that is a win-win, enabling us bring in the best and the brightest and not impoverish our citizens.

There are types of work that US citizens will take with enough pay such as in meat packing plants. Employers in the packing plant industry look for unsophisticated throw away workers, undocumented illegal workers and new immigrants fit the bill just right. Adjusted for inflation, meat packing workers make half what they did in the 1970's. My US born, farm raised parents worked in packing plants as did one of my brothers. There isn't any way they could afford to do it today. Availability of cheap desperate labor made the situation in the meat packing plants what it is today. Take away the cheap desperate labor and they will have to increase wages and improve working conditions to get the worker volume they want. Estimates say will only raise prices 3-4% at the retail level.

US citizens don't have the skills and willingness to do some migrant jobs such as crop picking.
No interest in hot, hard, outdoor migrant work. Crops don't wait, they rot in the fields.

Some jobs like engineering, the visas bring in foreign educated workers at pay rates US citizens can't afford to pay with their school loans and all. Many of those workers rise up in responsibility and set job specifications that only certain people in their home country can meet.

I digress yet again,

[RoBoTeq]

It doesn't matter whether we agree with the law or not, we are supposed to obey them or change them. Obama, being president, is sworn to uphold all of the laws of the U.S.....yet he continues to disregard U.S. laws whenever it suits him and he can get away with it.
Obama administration has decided to stop following laws already passed by Congress and act as if its preferred policies are law. http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/obama-to-ignore-immigration-law-pretend-dream-act-passed/

...and that is by someone who supports the Dream Act.

[glennac]

................Obama says that he personally has spoken to illegal immigrants who live in fear of deportation. No surprise there; at least two of them are Obama's relatives

OMG! (Obama Must Go!)

More to the point robo he is also an illegal alien. :gah::whistle: Thank you, thank you very much

[coolwhip]

More to the point robo he is also an illegal alien. :gah::whistle: Thank you, thank you very much

Which explains why he empathizes with illegals so much.:yes:

[chaard]

The left gave Bush heck over signing bills that did not pass Congress. Now Obama is taking a page from Bush's playbook with this new work visas for illegal immigrants.

http://www.mydesert.com/article/20120615/NEWS11/120615001/Illegal-immigrant-immunity-Obama-administration-stop-deporting-work-permits

Just one excerpt from 2006 on Bush passing The Budget Reconciliation Act.


http://laukev7.blogspot.com/2006/03/bush-signs-bill-without-congress.html?m=1

[Some Dude]

800,000 / 311, 500, 000 (US Pop) = 0.26%

If ya like math so well figure out what that is going to cost us in welfare, court costs etc etc etc etc etc etc
Then donate YOUR money.

[corny]

Gets em on the tax rolls......

What else can we do ??? I remember one time that I mentioned ethnic cleansing in america and got threatened with a ban for it.....but I am going to mention it again.

The only solution to the problem of illegals in this country is ethnic cleansing..... a final solution to the illegal immigrant problem....

Its the only solution that would work and not cost us more money in government waste.

Only problem is that americans are not ready for it yet.

These folks will soon be reproducing at a rate that will far exceed what our government is capable of deporting......and then you have the problem of deported people being back in the states within a month or two of being sent back to their home country.

I would agree with Obama in granting immunity to these people who are at least trying to make a good honest tax paying living in america but only if we were to institute a policy of executing any illegal immigrant criminals we round up in the USA. It would be the best solution for everyone. We would not have to worry about these folks scurrying back across the border a month or two later and we would be helping some of these drug addicted violent good for nothing people by putting them out of their misery and sending them on to a better place.

Arrest them... take them to a facility for processing and then shoot them in the back of the head. Very inexpensive, very humane..... good for everyone.

[printer2]

Easy enough. For every person that wants to come to the U.S. to work the host country has to take one of yours on welfare.

[pacnw]

since this is focused at the Mexican ethnicity, look into their immigration policy when it come to those coming into their country.

They flat out do not allow it and are enforcing it. Yet they turn around and cry bloody murder when the US tries to enforce a policy.

ALL immigration needs to be legal, employers need to be held accountable and Americans need to realize that no job is "too good" for them.

The laws are there, so nothing needs to be passed or done except enforce them. That is the crazy thing.

[ControlsInMT]

Easy enough. For every person that wants to come to the U.S. to work the host country has to take one of yours on welfare.

I said that on another thread! As Astudent said though, only the long time welfare abuser. Nothing wrong with someone falling on hard times and needing a hand up.:angel:

[ControlsInMT]

Okay...there's one other solution that hasn't been brought up...let's just annex Mexico into the USA and then they won't be illegal!:cheers:

And that's when the fight started....:whistle::gah:

[hearthman]

Ron White has already figured it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO5EFYY6P14

[AStudent]

I think the capitalists are on the right track....move all of the jobs overseas and use slave labor to make more money....while turning America into a third world country....then no one in their right mind will want to migrate to America.

Problem solved.

[glennac]

I think the capitalists are on the right track....move all of the jobs overseas and make more money....while turning America into a third world country....then no one in their right mind will want to migrate to America.

Problem solved.

Funny you can't see that the communists in the name of Democrats with the top commie Obama in charge are driving business out of our country. Gees you will never learn student. Thank you, thank you very much

[AStudent]

Funny you can't see that the communists in the name of Democrats with the top commie Obama in charge are driving business out of our country. Gees you will never learn student. Thank you, thank you very much

You are talking about me never learning? This country has had a lot of major issues under capitalism....ever since we have been printing money.

Yes things have been good, we have been wealthy...for a while but that looks like it's on the decline, and I might be wrong but I don't think you can put the blame on one person.

You can come up with all the conspiracy theories you want but the truth is that our founding fathers didn't want us printing money, and capitalism is made to do just that.

[RoBoTeq]

I think the capitalists are on the right track....move all of the jobs overseas and use slave labor to make more money....while turning America into a third world country....then no one in their right mind will want to migrate to America.

Problem solved.
You don't think all of those overly wealthy leftists in DC are Capitalists? I suppose you are one of the extremely naive leftists who buy into there being 99% of the nation that is against the remaining 1%. That concept from the Occupy Movement, sponsored by Socialist organizations such as the Communist Party and American labor unions, is a flat out lying sham.

I don't know of anyone on this forum that is not part of the 99% of Americans who are supposed to be one unifying force, yet at least 50% of us have no desire to ever be associated with the Occupiers.

Jon Stewart attacks Mitt Romney for being wealthy when Stewart is actually wealthier then Romney is. Michael Moore claims to be an Occupier when he clearly part of the 1%.

Capitalism is not a bad thing unless you incorporate Socialism into the mix. Then, Capitalism becomes a goal for only the elite few who have complete control over the lives of all of the subjects who were convinced that Capitalism is bad.

[RoBoTeq]

Funny you can't see that the communists in the name of Democrats with the top commie Obama in charge are driving business out of our country. Gees you will never learn student. Thank you, thank you very much
CHERISH THE MOMENT! We are in agreement.

[AStudent]

You don't think all of those overly wealthy leftists in DC are Capitalists? I suppose you are one of the extremely naive leftists who buy into there being 99% of the nation that is against the remaining 1%. That concept from the Occupy Movement, sponsored by Socialist organizations such as the Communist Party and American labor unions, is a flat out lying sham.

I don't know of anyone on this forum that is not part of the 99% of Americans who are supposed to be one unifying force, yet at least 50% of us have no desire to ever be associated with the Occupiers.

Jon Stewart attacks Mitt Romney for being wealthy when Stewart is actually wealthier then Romney is. Michael Moore claims to be an Occupier when he clearly part of the 1%.

Capitalism is not a bad thing unless you incorporate Socialism into the mix. Then, Capitalism becomes a goal for only the elite few who have complete control over the lives of all of the subjects who were convinced that Capitalism is bad.

When did I say that leftists in DC are not capitalists?

I'm not talking about OUR wealthy....but our nation as a whole. If you have a roof over your head and food in your stomach you are more wealthy than a huge portion of the world.

I think capitalism has had a great run and brought as a large amount of wealth...but at the same time it has also devalued our currency and given us a more is better attitude, which is not good...capitalism has also made our companies greedy beyond any doubt to the point of ripping off the country that gave them a start by using slave labor overseas and selling for well over 100% profits on items.

There would be no companies without capitalism you say? I highly doubt that....and even if it were true what's better? Few companies but all of them at home...or many companies and the vast majority of them overseas?

[ControlsInMT]

When did I say that leftists in DC are not capitalists?

I'm not talking about OUR wealthy....but our nation as a whole. If you have a roof over your head and food in your stomach you are more wealthy than a huge portion of the world.

I think capitalism has had a great run and brought as a large amount of wealth...but at the same time it has also devalued our currency and given us a more is better attitude, which is not good...capitalism has also made our companies greedy beyond any doubt to the point of ripping off the country that gave them a start by using slave labor overseas and selling for well over 100% profits on items.

There would be no companies without capitalism you say? I highly doubt that....and even if it were true what's better? Few companies but all of them at home...or many companies and the vast majority of them overseas?


So I have to ask you then...if not for Capitalism, what would be the point of someone opening a business or running one? Why work? Am I misunderstanding your definition of Capitalism?

And printing paper money is not the problem, it was when we no longer had the bullion to back up every piece of paper that it started to be a problem.:whistle:

[RoBoTeq]

When did I say that leftists in DC are not capitalists?

I'm not talking about OUR wealthy....but our nation as a whole. If you have a roof over your head and food in your stomach you are more wealthy than a huge portion of the world.

I think capitalism has had a great run and brought as a large amount of wealth...but at the same time it has also devalued our currency and given us a more is better attitude, which is not good...capitalism has also made our companies greedy beyond any doubt to the point of ripping off the country that gave them a start by using slave labor overseas and selling for well over 100% profits on items.

There would be no companies without capitalism you say? I highly doubt that....and even if it were true what's better? Few companies but all of them at home...or many companies and the vast majority of them overseas?
You've allowed some leftist rhetoric brainwash you into thinking of capitalism as some sort of political system. It is not. Capitalism thrives every where in some form or another. Some of the most innovative methods of capitalism I have witnessed in life was in Communist Cuba. There, capitalism is what drives the underworld economy that the government simply pretends doesn't exist while benefitting from it.

[AStudent]

You've allowed some leftist rhetoric brainwash you into thinking of capitalism as some sort of political system. It is not. Capitalism thrives every where in some form or another. Some of the most innovative methods of capitalism I have witnessed in life was in Communist Cuba. There, capitalism is what drives the underworld economy that the government simply pretends doesn't exist while benefitting from it.

I don't think capitalism is evil....I just think that unchecked capitalism is.

The free market will not take care of itself, as you see with our businesses overseas, since their prices are cheaper people will buy from them regardless. They aren't in other countries to avoid government as many of you say...they are overseas so they can make more money.

There are only two ways to bring businesses back....stop buying from the companies that move out of country....or drop down to third world country status so that moving overseas and selling here will cost them more money than they would make.

You see the pickle that a "free market" has gotten us into?

[AStudent]

So I have to ask you then...if not for Capitalism, what would be the point of someone opening a business or running one? Why work? Am I misunderstanding your definition of Capitalism?

And printing paper money is not the problem, it was when we no longer had the bullion to back up every piece of paper that it started to be a problem.:whistle:

Once they started printing money they found it too hard to stop...kinda like winning at the casino....or eating bic macs....The government prints too much, and America eats too much...darn Mcdonalds.

[ControlsInMT]

Guess you aren't going to answer the question......

And no, when we went off the gold standard was the problem. Holding people accountable, especially the whack jobs in DC.

[AStudent]

Guess you aren't going to answer the question......

And no, when we went off the gold standard was the problem. Holding people accountable, especially the whack jobs in DC.

Sorry that I missed the question.

Under other systems people understand that to enjoy the benefits of society you must pay into the system, so they must create jobs and work.

Under our system...people don't grasp that concept because we have been so wealthy and so babied...especially the newer generations that people expect other people to do everything for them.

You would think that it would be just the opposite since "socialist" countries have more "entitlements" but too many years of having the good, wealthy, and we have to have better for our children life has made us soft.

Think about it..."Old Timers" are always complaining that the younger generations don't do squat....but who made them that way? Who wanted better for their kids, and worked harder to give their kids a a more cushioned life? The "Old Timers" did....and in return generation after generation got more and more lazy and expected more and more to be handed to them.

[ControlsInMT]

Sorry that I missed the question.

Under other systems people understand that to enjoy the benefits of society you must pay into the system, so they must create jobs and work.

Under our system...people don't grasp that concept because we have been so wealthy and so babied...especially the newer generations that people expect other people to do everything for them.

You would think that it would be just the opposite since "socialist" countries have more "entitlements" but too many years of having the good, wealthy, and we have to have better for our children life has made us soft.

Think about it..."Old Timers" are always complaining that the younger generations don't do squat....but who made them that way? Who wanted better for their kids, and worked harder to give their kids a a more cushioned life? The "Old Timers" did....and in return generation after generation got more and more lazy and expected more and more to be handed to them.

I would have to disagree with you on this. Success in Capitalism allowed these parents to ALLOW their children to become lazy and have no work ethic. If you want to lay blame it's at the generation between "Old Timers" and current youth, not Capitalism. This would bring up the more damaging impact the loss of morales has had on our society, not Capitalism.

Socialist countries are working in slavery for the most part, without any hope or dream of a better life. What their grandfather had, their father had, and eventually they will have. Capitalism allows for one to exceed their parents, as I think we all want our children to do.

[AStudent]

I would have to disagree with you on this. Success in Capitalism allowed these parents to ALLOW their children to become lazy and have no work ethic. If you want to lay blame it's at the generation between "Old Timers" and current youth, not Capitalism. This would bring up the more damaging impact the loss of morales has had on our society, not Capitalism.

Socialist countries are working in slavery for the most part, without any hope or dream of a better life. What their grandfather had, their father had, and eventually they will have. Capitalism allows for one to exceed their parents, as I think we all want our children to do.

I agree with you about placing blame on ourselves and not capitalism....as far as socialist countries working in slavery....I guess that depends on what your definition of a socialist country is...and how many of those countries are growing rapidly while we are declining rapidly.

Capitalism did allow for rapid growth and the ability to exceed our parents, but it's not looking that way anymore. At a certain point the jobs fail or move to countries where they can use slave labor, the market crashes, and money is devalued...just as we are seeing now.

I'm not at all saying capitalism is a bad thing...I think it is a very good system, but eventually the want for more and the living beyond one's means has to cap somewhere before the entire economy crashes.

[Six]

Sorry that I missed the question.

Under other systems people understand that to enjoy the benefits of society you must pay into the system, so they must create jobs and work.

Under our system...people don't grasp that concept because we have been so wealthy and so babied...especially the newer generations that people expect other people to do everything for them.

You would think that it would be just the opposite since "socialist" countries have more "entitlements" but too many years of having the good, wealthy, and we have to have better for our children life has made us soft.

Think about it..."Old Timers" are always complaining that the younger generations don't do squat....but who made them that way? Who wanted better for their kids, and worked harder to give their kids a a more cushioned life? The "Old Timers" did....and in return generation after generation got more and more lazy and expected more and more to be handed to them.

Its not the fault of our system. You cant fix entitlements by offering more entitlememts.

You cant fix the entitleled by making them more dependant.

Proofs is there where years of dependency has led to generational welfare.

Its not Capitalisms fault that human nature is to fall into complacency and mediocrite when your not forced to fend for yourself.

Laissez Faire Capitalism is Capitalsim unchecked and it doesnt exist. Its theoretical.

When people start arguing that our system needs to be "kept in check "they mean scrap it for socialsim.

Its not in our nature to have everything handed to us. You see what it produces and the concept of free time is a relativly new one compared to what we've had to endure.


Capitalism forces us to be at our best and utilize our instincts. Socialism brings about unchecked indifference and that fosters misery.

[ControlsInMT]

I'm not at all saying capitalism is a bad thing...I think it is a very good system, but eventually the want for more and the living beyond one's means has to cap somewhere before the entire economy crashes.

I couldn't agree more! Live within your means.:cheers:

[Six]

Its not up to the government to place limits on how people can spend their money.

You cant legislate away stupidity.

[ControlsInMT]

Its not up to the government to place limits on how people can spend their money.

You cant legislate away stupidity.

Yes you can, they do it every day...oh wait I thought you said stupidLy...:LOL:

Agreed. And the safety net needs to be pulled out from underneath all so than can fall when they are stupid.

[AStudent]

Its not up to the government to place limits on how people can spend their money.

You cant legislate away stupidity.

It is up to the government to decide how people spend their money if we are going bankrupt.....which has been happening a lot lately.

[Six]

So trust in a government that has been spending beyond their means for decades to mandate how individuals should spend their money ?

Sorry but no way. It was governments insistance that people with poor or no credit be allowed access to easy credit that started and perpetuated the economic collapse.

Barney Frank arguing for lowering underwriting standards because our system was unfair and unjust.

There was nothing wrong with our system. People had been buying homes for decades without any problem. So what changed ?

The private market had it well under control.

There is a guy here that made one of the most telling and stupid statements Ive ever heard. That people were not responsible enough for freedom.


Well who gets to make that call and who gets to enforce it ?

People.

The economy crashed because of government intervention not for the lack of it.

[glennac]

It is up to the government to decide how people spend their money if we are going bankrupt.....which has been happening a lot lately.

Funny we are going bankrupt because the government is spending or throwing away our money like water on every stupid thing that can be imagined. Not because of the people spending "their" money but because of the government spending our money for nothing. You sure have a lot to learn student. I suggest starting all over again. Thank you, thank you very much

[AStudent]

So trust in a government that has been spending beyond their means for decades to mandate how individuals should spend their money ?

Sorry but no way. It was governments insistance that people with poor or no credit be allowed access to easy credit that started and perpetuated the economic collapse.

Barney Frank arguing for lowering underwriting standards because our system was unfair and unjust.

There was nothing wrong with our system. People had been buying homes for decades without any problem. So what changed ?

The private market had it well under control.

There is a guy here that made one of the most telling and stupid statements Ive ever heard. That people were not responsible enough for freedom.


Well who gets to make that call and who gets to enforce it ?

People.

The economy crashed because of government intervention not for the lack of it.

So people taking loans that they could not pay had nothing to do with the crash? Banks handing out those loans also had nothing to do with it?

Government pushed banks to loan...government did not push people to take them, nor did government push the banks to hand out bad loans....people wanted bigger houses, banks wanted more money. Government did not push banks to allow people to trap themselves by re-financing their homes as many times as they wanted.

It's like the car salesman trick...if you have a $2000 down payment on a car and someone buys it...set the payments so high the person can't make them...you repo the car and make another $2000 down payment. Making three or four down payments on the same car in a year is more profitable than allowing someone to make the payments.

Government is elected by us, ran by us....if government fails we are at fault. So when you blame government you are really blaming the people.

You can make a change....but are you willing to try?

[Six]

Oh plueeze.

What kind of people bought homes they couldnt afford ?

The same ones who couldnt meet the private sectors standards for purchasing one when banks made their own rules.

And what happened ?

Dont lump everyone with the idiots who couldnt read a loan contract or who didnt have tthe integrity to tell the truth on their loan application.

If you set out a case of gin at the homeless shelter of course its going to be gone in under 2 seconds.

Dont associate the people with common sense with the elitist in the Oval ofdice that wants to make profound changes to our system based in a failed ideology.

Banks were absolutely pushed to give money away. Back when it worked a bank set its standards so they could stay in bussiness.

Those toxic MBS were bundled and sold by Fannie Mae to create the secondary market. Read up on who runs Fannie Mae.

So we had a system that kept losers from purchasing property they could not afford and it worked for years. Decades.

Who changed that dynamic ?

Politicians pandering for votes. Not US !

And you ytill want to look for government to solve our problems ?

[AStudent]

Oh plueeze.

What kind of people bought homes they couldnt afford ?

The same ones who couldnt meet the private sectors standards for purchasing one when banks made their own rules.

And what happened ?

Dont lump everyone with the idiots who couldnt read a loan contract or who didnt have tthe integrity to tell the truth on their loan application.

If you set out a case of gin at the homeless shelter of course its going to be gone in under 2 seconds.

Dont associate the people with common sense with the elitist in the Oval ofdice that wants to make profound changes to our system based in a failed ideology.

Banks were absolutely pushed to give money away. Back when it worked a bank set its standards so they could stay in bussiness.

Those toxic MBS were bundled and sold by Fannie Mae to create the secondary market. Read up on who runs Fannie Mae.

So we had a system that kept losers from purchasing property they could not afford and it worked for years. Decades.

Who changed that dynamic ?

Politicians pandering for votes. Not US !

And you ytill want to look for government to solve our problems ?

I don't get what you are saying....it's ALL governments fault? If people did not take faulty loans there would not have been a crash...so don't tell me that the people had no responsibility with what happened.

There was a housing crash...there are foreclosures everywhere you look...but no people did not at all buy those homes or take out extra mortgages...no sir that did not happen....all these empty houses were just foreclosed all on their own. I'm sure the banks played no part in the deception at all...no way no how...how could anyone but the government be greedy?

I agree the government is to blame in part...but when the country as a whole is going bankrupt you can't just run around blaming the government for everything...that is childish....do you blame your boss if your company loses money, but you let the van idle all day and maxed out the fuel card?

[Six]

What Im telling you us that there was a mechanism already in place that worked for decades to prevent this from happening abd it wasnt the government that put it there.

It was the private sector and the banks standards that kept things in check. Its how your parents and grandparents bought a house.


Who changed that ?

Now the subprime fiasco was so catastrophic that we were days away from martial law in America. What all that easy credit also did was create a massive bubble.

People and companies world wide benefited from it but as all bubbles do it collapsed.

The economy shrank and what ypu're seeing now is a combination of whats left over andba incompetant president.


People dont realize how stupid they were voting for a nobody like Obama. At thd time when we most needed leadership and intelligence people got caught up in the cult of personality created by the media.

It perpetuated the suffering. So as the economy shrank peoplr got laid off and foreclosures continued.

Read up on the Tulip bubble. It will give you some perspective.

[Six]

The liberals with all the their whining about G.W.Bush being an idiot there response was to elect an ACTUAL IDIOT.

Liberals are idiots.

[RoBoTeq]

I don't think capitalism is evil....I just think that unchecked capitalism is.

The free market will not take care of itself, as you see with our businesses overseas, since their prices are cheaper people will buy from them regardless. They aren't in other countries to avoid government as many of you say...they are overseas so they can make more money.

There are only two ways to bring businesses back....stop buying from the companies that move out of country....or drop down to third world country status so that moving overseas and selling here will cost them more money than they would make.

You see the pickle that a "free market" has gotten us into?The free market and capitalism is not what has got us into trouble. Yes! Capitalism, left alone to fail, will absolutely take care of itself. Capitalism is being used as a tool by government, but government does not know how to properly use this tool.

I agree with supporting businesses that benefit American workers. Who do you propose we support? American business is not leaving the U.S. for any reason other then government regulations and labor restrictions. There is nothing personal about where businesses operate. Businesses are bound by the very nature of being in business to operate where it is best for the business to operate.

No American businesses should ever have been bailed out financially. When a business that has not succeeded fails, other businesses will fill the void and not make the same mistakes. We have become a nation of roaring mice who build businesses that cannot succeed without government intervention. All of these so called green businesses that are being fed billions of American taxpayers dollars don't have a snowballs chance in hell of surviving. GM (Government Motors) is a prime example of how government intervention costs grotesque amounts of money to survive. Every Chevy Volt produced costs the American worker about $250,000 once all of the government incrued costs to bring that piece of crap to market are figured in. And who is the biggest fleet buyer of the Chevy Volt? GOVERNMENT!

Yes, Astudent, capitalism does work...when left alone. Government never "works", but is a necessary evil. Which one should we be standing for?

[RoBoTeq]

Sorry that I missed the question.

Under other systems people understand that to enjoy the benefits of society you must pay into the system, so they must create jobs and work.

Under our system...people don't grasp that concept because we have been so wealthy and so babied...especially the newer generations that people expect other people to do everything for them.

You would think that it would be just the opposite since "socialist" countries have more "entitlements" but too many years of having the good, wealthy, and we have to have better for our children life has made us soft.

Think about it..."Old Timers" are always complaining that the younger generations don't do squat....but who made them that way? Who wanted better for their kids, and worked harder to give their kids a a more cushioned life? The "Old Timers" did....and in return generation after generation got more and more lazy and expected more and more to be handed to them.
Do me a personal favor before you continue down this path of thought. Go to Amazon and order a copy of both Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand and the sequel, Atlas Snubbed by Ken V. Krawchuk. These are both entertaining novels of fiction that are very enjoyable to read just for the sake of reading a good story. They are also parables for the very subject we are discussing. I seriously believe that these books may allow you to think about this subject with more clarity of vision.:cheers:

[RoBoTeq]

Socialist countries are working in slavery for the most part, without any hope or dream of a better life. What their grandfather had, their father had, and eventually they will have. Capitalism allows for one to exceed their parents, as I think we all want our children to do.
Very well put. While Capitalism does exist in Communist countries in the form of black markets, Communism does not allow those capitalists to legally "own" what they earn. I witnessed capitalism at it's most prominent level being practiced in the streets of Havana, Cuba in a way that would put many American workers to shame. The problem is that Cuban's cannot flaunt their successes in capitalist ventures for fear of attracting attention from government that does not allow success.

Isn't it odd that in a country where capitalism is able to be practiced freely, some think it has ill effects, yet where capitalism must be conducted in black market trades, everyone strives to benefit from it. As oppressed as they are, Cubans in Havana are overall more content with their lives and an overall friendlier people then are Americans in cities. Capitalism is their hope and salvation, even though it is illegal.

[RoBoTeq]

I agree with you about placing blame on ourselves and not capitalism....as far as socialist countries working in slavery....I guess that depends on what your definition of a socialist country is...and how many of those countries are growing rapidly while we are declining rapidly.


You keep making this statement. What countries are you referring to? China and Russia are both growing rapidly only because they both have embraced capitalism and lightened up on their Communist ideology. Russia is also embracing their oil production, which has made them the largest oil producer in the world.

If we look at the history of China, it is not out of line for us to expect China to suddenly do a 180 turn, shutting itself away from the rest of the world as it has done in the past.

If you think that either of these countries are better for you to live in then is the U.S., you need to do some checking on how those not in the upper class in these nations are treated.

[RoBoTeq]

Its not the fault of our system. You cant fix entitlements by offering more entitlememts.

You cant fix the entitleled by making them more dependant.

Proofs is there where years of dependency has led to generational welfare.

Its not Capitalisms fault that human nature is to fall into complacency and mediocrite when your not forced to fend for yourself.

Laissez Faire Capitalism is Capitalsim unchecked and it doesnt exist. Its theoretical.

When people start arguing that our system needs to be "kept in check "they mean scrap it for socialsim.

Its not in our nature to have everything handed to us. You see what it produces and the concept of free time is a relativly new one compared to what we've had to endure.


Capitalism forces us to be at our best and utilize our instincts. Socialism brings about unchecked indifference and that fosters misery.Another really good post. You guys are really getting quite good at this.

[netsalt]

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[RoBoTeq]

So people taking loans that they could not pay had nothing to do with the crash? Banks handing out those loans also had nothing to do with it?

Government pushed banks to loan...government did not push people to take them, nor did government push the banks to hand out bad loans....people wanted bigger houses, banks wanted more money. Government did not push banks to allow people to trap themselves by re-financing their homes as many times as they wanted.

It's like the car salesman trick...if you have a $2000 down payment on a car and someone buys it...set the payments so high the person can't make them...you repo the car and make another $2000 down payment. Making three or four down payments on the same car in a year is more profitable than allowing someone to make the payments.

Government is elected by us, ran by us....if government fails we are at fault. So when you blame government you are really blaming the people.

You can make a change....but are you willing to try?
It was only because of government intervention that banks loaned money to high risk persons. Had it not been for the government intervention of pressuring banks to loan to people who were not likely to be able to pay the loans back, those banks would have never made those loans.

It was a matter of politicians using government funding (OUR MONEY!) to guarantee the potentially bad loans that created this whole mess. Had capitalism been left alone, there would have been some rough times for some folks, but the crash would never have occurred.

The real irony is that those who benefitted by the government's intervention with the banking system are being hurt the most now.

[RoBoTeq]

Government is elected by us, ran by us....if government fails we are at fault. So when you blame government you are really blaming the people.

You can make a change....but are you willing to try?
This is the crux of the problem. We the people have allowed government to turn into it's own monsterous entity. It's similar to the creation of skynet allowing the machines to rule. We have turned past the point where we have control of government.

Yes! I am willing to make a change. But if government leaders do not turn this thing around real soon, making a change is not going to be a pretty sight. I see a bad moon rising; http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZeZm7KQJT1o

[netsalt]

64% think the immigration change is good. 30% think it is bad.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-19/obama-immigration-policy-favored-2-to-1-by-likely-voters.html

[AStudent]

I think the way they are looking at the immigration deal is....we can either spend money throwing them out the door for them to just come back a week later....spend money locking them up and feeding them....or spend money and make them legal taxpayers.

[RoBoTeq]

64% think the immigration change is good. 30% think it is bad.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-19/obama-immigration-policy-favored-2-to-1-by-likely-voters.html
According to Obama, he can't do what he is now doing;

"This notion that somehow I can just change the laws unilaterally is just not true," Obama said during a White House meeting targeting Hispanic voters, a vital constituency for the president's re-election campaign. http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-cannot-fix-immigration-own-164714269.html

I guess Obama found another way to get around the U.S. process of law making. Let's hope he doesn't figure out a way to declare himself a god-king.

[AStudent]

According to Obama, he can't do what he is now doing; http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-cannot-fix-immigration-own-164714269.html

I guess Obama found another way to get around the U.S. process of law making. Let's hope he doesn't figure out a way to declare himself a god-king.

I agree that the president alone should not be able to change laws....but something needed to be done.

How would you feel if you were under 16...your parents dragged you across to mexico and they locked you up for something your parents told you was an alright thing to do?

[Six]

Another really good post. You guys are really getting quite good at this.

It comes natuarally. Most of my family are highly educated liberal Democrats. I even have a Aunt that teaches at Berkely.

I guess I rebeled against the status quo and although I love them dearly there is no better example of a insulated University liberal than my parents, sister aunts and one uncle.

I used to attend a purely political forum that was 80% lib and 20% Conservative and it was rutheless debate.


The Conns would get dogpiled instantly and then with patience ,common sense and links to objective sources the liberal hordes would slowly be driven back to the expected common denominator response of all liberals driven into a corner with facts.

Ad hominem attacks.

[RoBoTeq]

I agree that the president alone should not be able to change laws....but something needed to be done.

How would you feel if you were under 16...your parents dragged you across to mexico and they locked you up for something your parents told you was an alright thing to do?
Something was done! Congress voted to not do exactly what Obama is overriding Congress's decision on;
Obama: Screw Congress, I’m DREAM Act–ing Myself http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/06/obama-screw-congress-im-dream-acting-myself.html

It's not a matter of the heart for making this determination. Obama has once again ignored the due process of the U.S. government by once again bypassing Congress.

I'm sure there are some good illegal immigrants who could be beneficial to the U.S. FINE! Send them all back to where they illegally came from and then work with those who may be beneficial to the U.S. on a one on one basis.

[RoBoTeq]

It comes natuarally. Most of my family are highly educated liberal Democrats. I even have a Aunt that teaches at Berkely.

I guess I rebeled against the status quo and although I love them dearly there is no better example of a insulated University liberal than my parents, sister aunts and one uncle.

I used to attend a purely political forum that was 80% lib and 20% Conservative and it was rutheless debate.


The Conns would get dogpiled instantly and then with patience ,common sense and links to objective sources the liberal hordes would slowly be driven back to the expected common denominator response of all liberals driven into a corner with facts.

Ad hominem attacks.
Most of my in-laws are liberal Democrats with a smattering of downright Socialists amonst them. Like you, I love them dearly. Family get togethers are always entertaining.

[geerair]

According to Obama, he can't do what he is now doing; http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-cannot-fix-immigration-own-164714269.htmlIncompetent reporting. Obama went on to say that what the administration can do is priortize limited enforcement resources.

Looks like your self-described meticulous, extensive and objective research has made you look foolish again.

[chaard]

Incompetent reporting. Obama went on to say that what the administration can do is priortize limited enforcement resources.

Looks like your self-described meticulous, extensive and objective research has made you look foolish again.

OMFG! If Bush was bypassing Congress and he did, I'm sure you'd be throwing a fit.
The only foolish person is the one in the White House ignoring the rule of law. And Bidens a tool as well.

[chaard]

Incompetent reporting. Obama went on to say...

Like the time Obama said the private sector was doing fine and the he went on to say the private sector wasn't doing fine.

Oh and like the time Obama said he was for single payer system then went on to say he never said he was for a single payer system.

Oh, and don't forget the time Obama said he was against gay marriage and then went on to say he was for gay marriage.

Yeah, how dare you Robo only pointing out one of the two sides of Obama's mouth.

[geerair]

OMFG! If Bush was bypassing Congress and he did, I'm sure you'd be throwing a fit.
The only foolish person is the one in the White House ignoring the rule of law. And Bidens a tool as well.Only so many enforcement resources to allocate. Intelligent enforcement demands these limited resources be deployed against serious crimes and serious malefactors.

There is no bypassing congress or ignoring the rule of law...merely a wise use of the available assets to enforce the laws.

I only throw fits over serious matters, not trivial political grandstanding of this type.

[geerair]

Yeah, how dare you Robo only pointing out one of the two sides of Obama's mouth.Actually it was the reporter for yahoo news (an apt moniker for a laughable journalistic wannabe source) and a gaggle of wingnut talking heads who either incompetently or intentionally cut off Obama's very next words, which had they been reported would have rendered all this partisan panty twisting moot.

Robo's sin was eating it all up without a particle of critical thinking or effort to find the complete quote; especially since he incessantly brags about his extensive and objective research.

Your sin is getting sucked into an intellectually devoid position and then posting it for all to see.


Sad, but such is the fate of Fox viewers.

[AStudent]

I doubt any of you know the stress of being the president, having to decide the fate of millions of people...all the while those millions are watching and complaining about your every move.

I would be willing to bet if any of you treated your boss at work this way you would be out of a job in a heartbeat. If the president was anything like a business owner you could wake up one morning and find yourself without citizenship just for complaining....so consider yourself lucky.

[coolwhip]

If the President was a business owner or even had a real job in his life before the oval office, I might have a shred more respect for him.

[glennac]

I doubt any of you know the stress of being the president, having to decide the fate of millions of people...all the while those millions are watching and complaining about your every move.

I would be willing to bet if any of you treated your boss at work this way you would be out of a job in a heartbeat. If the president was anything like a business owner you could wake up one morning and find yourself without citizenship just for complaining....so consider yourself lucky.

Hey student are you enrolled in Karl Marx University or what? Thank you very much

[Six]

I doubt any of you know the stress of being the president, having to decide the fate of millions of people...all the while those millions are watching and complaining about your every move.

I would be willing to bet if any of you treated your boss at work this way you would be out of a job in a heartbeat. If the president was anything like a business owner you could wake up one morning and find yourself without citizenship just for complaining....so consider yourself lucky.

You're under the impression that Obama possess' the capacity for empathy.

His main personnality disorder prevents him from sincerely giving a ratts ass about anyone other than himself.

Look up narcisism

Also no one forced him into the candidaacy. It was his massive ego that pushwd someone so lacking in fundamental intelligence and experience to pursue a job thats so critical.


You think a guy that had two books filled with lies written about him before accomplishing anything noteworthy gives a crap about anyone but himself ?

You have so much to learn.

[AStudent]

Hey student are you enrolled in Karl Marx University or what? Thank you very much

No.....you sure do like to complain but not actually do anything to fix the problem.

I would bet that you take advantage of VA benefits but are completely against government ran healthcare.

[AStudent]

You're under the impression that Obama possess' the capacity for empathy.

His main personnality disorder prevents him from sincerely giving a ratts ass about anyone other than himself.

Look up narcisism

Also no one forced him into the candidaacy. It was his massive ego that pushwd someone so lacking in fundamental intelligence and experience to pursue a job thats so critical.


You think a guy that had two books filled with lies written about him before accomplishing anything noteworthy gives a crap about anyone but himself ?

You have so much to learn.

Look at this very thread and tell me again that Obama cares about no one but himself....he gave amnesty to children who were dragged across country by their criminal parents....these kids were not given a choice in the matter...you tell me what should be done...should we ship them back to the country they came from so that they could be put in orphanages since we have probably locked up their parents....or should we lock these kids up too?

[RoBoTeq]

OMFG! If Bush was bypassing Congress and he did, I'm sure you'd be throwing a fit.
The only foolish person is the one in the White House ignoring the rule of law. And Bidens a tool as well.
It's best to not even pay attention to geer. He is known to post whatever will get a reaction, no matter how ridiculous.

[Six]

Look at this very thread and tell me again that Obama cares about no one but himself....he gave amnesty to children who were dragged across country by their criminal parents....these kids were not given a choice in the matter...you tell me what should be done...should we ship them back to the country they came from so that they could be put in orphanages since we have probably locked up their parents....or should we lock these kids up too?

Out of the goodness of his own heart.....

Like I said you have much to learn. Why did he wait so long ? Why not 3 years ago ?

Why this close to the election ?


Because he's trying to get votes. Its orchestrated .

He cares about maintaining power. He's a fraud. You realize they've confirmed up to 39 lies in his bio "Dreams of my Father "?

He cares about no one but himself.

[ControlsInMT]

Out of the goodness of his own heart.....

Like I said you have much to learn. Why did he wait so long ? Why not 3 years ago ?

Why this close to the election ?


Because he's trying to get votes. Its orchestrated .

He cares about maintaining power. He's a fraud. You realize they've confirmed up to 39 lies in his bio "Dreams of my Father "?

He cares about no one but himself.

Have to completely agree with Six on this Student...It's great you look at it from the stand point of the children, very admirable. However the fact is it's nothing but gaining the votes. This is the same party that doesn't want you to show ID to prove you are legal when you vote.

And the bottom line is, the law is still broken. If a 14 year old helps his 40 year old dad carry items away from a robbery we still punish him. Not the same sentence as the father.

[Six]

Yep how many families are torn apart when an American citizen goes to jail ?

Apparently being a illegal gives you more rights

[RoBoTeq]

Like the time Obama said the private sector was doing fine and the he went on to say the private sector wasn't doing fine.

Oh and like the time Obama said he was for single payer system then went on to say he never said he was for a single payer system.

Oh, and don't forget the time Obama said he was against gay marriage and then went on to say he was for gay marriage.

Yeah, how dare you Robo only pointing out one of the two sides of Obama's mouth.Guilty as charged. It's difficult to keep up with what Obama is telling us from day to day;
.
http://i1.cpcache.com/product/567208567/reelect_obama_2012_flip_flops.jpg?color=White&height=460&width=460
http://www.therightsphere.com/2012/04/president-flip-flop-barack-obamas-broken-promises-policy-reversals-and-continuous-flip-flops/

[chaard]

Have to completely agree with Six on this Student...It's great you look at it from the stand point of the children, very admirable. However the fact is it's nothing but gaining the votes. This is the same party that doesn't want you to show ID to prove you are legal when you vote.

And the bottom line is, the law is still broken. If a 14 year old helps his 40 year old dad carry items away from a robbery we still punish him. Not the same sentence as the father.
You can't ticket a child in the backseat of a car that the parent was driving and speeding.
The children did not break the law.


Look at this very thread and tell me again that Obama cares about no one but himself....he gave amnesty to children who were dragged across country by their criminal parents....these kids were not given a choice in the matter...you tell me what should be done...should we ship them back to the country they came from so that they could be put in orphanages since we have probably locked up their parents....or should we lock these kids up too?

The Democrats had control of Congress a few yrs ago and still did nothing regarding this issue. Now Obama has taken it upon himself to do what Congress failed to do. What else will Obama do without Congress approval. It's about bypassing Congress. The children are just a pawn.

[ControlsInMT]

You can't ticket a child in the backseat of a car that the parent was driving and speeding.
The children did not break the law.



The Democrats had control of Congress a few yrs ago and still did nothing regarding this issue. Now Obama has taken it upon himself to do what Congress failed to do. What else will Obama do without Congress approval. It's about bypassing Congress. The children are just a pawn.

True....you can find an exception to most anything if you look hard enough. If the parent is drunk and gets hauled off to jail, what happens to the child???

[RoBoTeq]

I doubt any of you know the stress of being the president, having to decide the fate of millions of people...all the while those millions are watching and complaining about your every move.

I would be willing to bet if any of you treated your boss at work this way you would be out of a job in a heartbeat. If the president was anything like a business owner you could wake up one morning and find yourself without citizenship just for complaining....so consider yourself lucky.
Obviously, Obama can't handle the stress. That must be why he continues to "change" his mind so many times on what he "hopes" he can accomplish.

The only thing I can think of that Obama has been correct about in the past four years was when he stated he was not experienced enough to run for a national office; http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1910973/obama_said_he_is_not_qualified_to_be_president_in_ 2004_ad/

[geerair]

Guilty as charged. It's difficult to keep up with what Obama is telling us from day to day;

Actually you had only to read the next sentence (which was edited out by your source) to see that what was reported by your source was not in fact true.

Surely a meticulous, objective seeker of truth as you describe yourself would not be satisfied with an incomplete quote.

[Carbon]

They are ILLEGAL aliens. The President cannot make laws or overturn laws unilaterialy, it's against the constitution. In Janurary 2009 we all saw him swear on the Bible to uphold the laws of the United States of America. He did not say he was going to select which ones he would ignore or change without due process. You need go no further to prove he is a liar.

[chaard]

Actually you had only to read the next sentence (which was edited out by your source) to see that what was reported by your source was not in fact true.
He did say it, fact. Just not in the context you claim
Surely a meticulous, objective seeker of truth as you describe yourself would not be satisfied with an incomplete quote.

Then let's talk facts. You said Obama did not usurp the rule of law. Explain.
Cause everyone else knows the truth.

http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/06/15/obama-seeks-to-nullify-our-immigration-laws/

[chaard]

“With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed…we’ve got three branches of government. Congress passes the law. The executive branch’s job is to enforce and implement those laws. And then the judiciary has to interpret the laws.

“There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President.”
Barack Hussein Obama.

FACT.

[glennac]

No.....you sure do like to complain but not actually do anything to fix the problem.

I would bet that you take advantage of VA benefits but are completely against government ran healthcare.

Never been to a VA hospital. My schrapnal wouns have healed but I'm sure I could get some disability from the constant ringing in my ears since Nam (loss a good bit of my hearing over there) or the Hepatitis A I caught from the bad water and also a bad case of diphtheria while in Nam and never went to collect on that either.

Not to count the sever case of PDS I got coming home with all the faggot anti war protesters protesting me and my service in Nam, I was a mental basket case and could only socialize with other Nam vets who felt the same as I did for about 10 years. I have never used government health care other while in active service and it was minimum. The whole time I was end I was never allowed to see a dennist unless I had an emergency.

So don't give me that bull student. Again you don't know a thing about what you are talking about. Just your book on Karl Marx. Thank you, thank you very much

[Six]

Never been to a VA hospital. My schrapnal wouns have healed but I'm sure I could get some disability from the constant ringing in my ears since Nam (loss a good bit of my hearing over there) or the Hepatitis A I caught from the bad water and also a bad case of diphtheria while in Nam and never went to collect on that either.

Not to count the sever case of PDS I got coming home with all the faggot anti war protesters protesting me and my service in Nam, I was a mental basket case and could only socialize with other Nam vets who felt the same as I did for about 10 years. I have never used government health care other while in active service and it was minimum. The whole time I was end I was never allowed to see a dennist unless I had an emergency.

So don't give me that bull student. Again you don't know a thing about what you are talking about. Just your book on Karl Marx. Thank you, thank you very much

Im really sorry you had to go through that glennac.

Vietnam veterans being attacked when they returned home is an embarrasing stain on our Countries legacy.

Im sure you know that the majority of Americans sicnerely thank you for your service and sacrifice.


A Vet called into a radio show and explained how this sweet little angelic looking girl spat on him as he arrived home.

He was 42 years later struggling to tell his story.

[glennac]

Im really sorry you had to go through that glennac.

Vietnam veterans being attacked when they returned home is an embarrasing stain on our Countries legacy.

Im sure you know that the majority of Americans sicnerely thank you for your service and sacrifice.


A Vet called into a radio show and explained how this sweet little angelic looking girl spat on him as he arrived home.

He was 42 years later struggling to tell his story.

Thank you Six your a good man, I'm over all that now but have never forgot and that is another reason why I dislike the left so much other than them destroying the country I grew up in. Thank you, thank you very much

[geerair]

Then let's talk facts. You said Obama did not usurp the rule of law. Explain.
Cause everyone else knows the truth.Here's a fact for you.

Obama has deported more illegals in just three years than Bush did in his entire presdiency.

Even people of average discernment would agree this indicates Obama is effectively adhering to the rule of law.




http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/06/15/obama-seeks-to-nullify-our-immigration-laws/Gotta love the ojectivity of an article that starts "King Barack Hussein Obama" and proceeds in standard panty twisting wingnut prose.

Really, you can do better than that.

[chaard]

Here's a fact for you.

Obama has deported more illegals in just three years than Bush did in his entire presdiency.
Doesn't make Obama right.
Even people of average discernment would agree this indicates Obama is effectively adhering to the rule of law.



Gotta love the ojectivity of an article that starts "King Barack Hussein Obama" and proceeds in standard panty twisting wingnut prose.

Really, you can do better than that.

Sure can.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/15/iowa-rep-will-file-lawsuit-over-immigration-announcement/

http://outfront.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/15/obama-policy-puts-the-brakes-on-deporting-young-illegal-immigrants-its-the-right-thing-to-do/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/15/obama-immigration-order-deportation-dream-act_n_1599658.html

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/will-you-stand-by-and-allow-obama-to-usurp-america/question-2733659/comment-86823197/

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1904637/pg1

http://www.independentsentinel.com/2012/06/obama-seizes-more-legislative-authority-under-the-guise-of-the-dream-act/

http://usurpador.blogcindario.com/2012/01/index.html

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/06/executive-discretion?page=2

http://www.conservativecrusader.com/articles/barack-obama-the-rule-of-law-and-impeachable-high-crimes-and-misdemeanors

http://www.towncrierdubuque.com/the_town_crier/our-constitution-does-not-support-a-dictator

http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/articlesofimpeachment/
http://anebbandflow.blogspot.com/2012/06/executive-order-to-break-law.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2897617/posts



I got a million of them.



Someone needs to get out from Obama's desk. This country can't handle another Monica Lewinsky scandal.

[chaard]

Here's a fact for you.

Obama has deported more illegals in just three years than Bush did in his entire presdiency.

That's a great point. Let's make that the cornerstone of Obama's candidacy.

This ain't about Bush.
Even people of average discernment would agree this indicates Obama is effectively adhering to the rule of law.

Average? You mean those that only got a C in school.



Gotta love the ojectivity of an article that starts "King Barack Hussein Obama" and proceeds in standard panty twisting wingnut prose.

Really, you can do better than that.

I notice you didn't post any facts refuting the evidence. Typical Geer.

[RoBoTeq]

FACT.
That's just not fair! Why are you fighting dirty by introducing facts?:cheers:

[RoBoTeq]

Sure can.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/15/iowa-rep-will-file-lawsuit-over-immigration-announcement/

http://outfront.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/15/obama-policy-puts-the-brakes-on-deporting-young-illegal-immigrants-its-the-right-thing-to-do/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/15/obama-immigration-order-deportation-dream-act_n_1599658.html

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/will-you-stand-by-and-allow-obama-to-usurp-america/question-2733659/comment-86823197/

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1904637/pg1

http://www.independentsentinel.com/2012/06/obama-seizes-more-legislative-authority-under-the-guise-of-the-dream-act/

http://usurpador.blogcindario.com/2012/01/index.html

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/06/executive-discretion?page=2

http://www.conservativecrusader.com/articles/barack-obama-the-rule-of-law-and-impeachable-high-crimes-and-misdemeanors

http://www.towncrierdubuque.com/the_town_crier/our-constitution-does-not-support-a-dictator

http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/articlesofimpeachment/
http://anebbandflow.blogspot.com/2012/06/executive-order-to-break-law.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2897617/posts



I got a million of them.



Someone needs to get out from Obama's desk. This country can't handle another Monica Lewinsky scandal.
Oh, there won't be any stained clothes for evidence. Lewinsky was just sloppy.

[chaard]

That's just not fair! Why are you fighting dirty by introducing facts?:cheers:
Nothing fair in politics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtwJvgPJ9xw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[RoBoTeq]

Nothing fair in politics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtwJvgPJ9xw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I gotta ask; what does that video have to do with politics?

More Obama arrogance happening with his protecting Holder with his executive powers; http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/20/politics/holder-contempt/index.html?eref=rss_politics

Just makes us believe that a lot more is going on than we already suspect.

[geerair]

Sure can.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/15/iowa-rep-will-file-lawsuit-over-immigration-announcement/

http://outfront.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/15/obama-policy-puts-the-brakes-on-deporting-young-illegal-immigrants-its-the-right-thing-to-do/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/15/obama-immigration-order-deportation-dream-act_n_1599658.html

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/will-you-stand-by-and-allow-obama-to-usurp-america/question-2733659/comment-86823197/

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1904637/pg1

http://www.independentsentinel.com/2012/06/obama-seizes-more-legislative-authority-under-the-guise-of-the-dream-act/

http://usurpador.blogcindario.com/2012/01/index.html

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/06/executive-discretion?page=2

http://www.conservativecrusader.com/articles/barack-obama-the-rule-of-law-and-impeachable-high-crimes-and-misdemeanors

http://www.towncrierdubuque.com/the_town_crier/our-constitution-does-not-support-a-dictator

http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/articlesofimpeachment/
http://anebbandflow.blogspot.com/2012/06/executive-order-to-break-law.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2897617/posts



I got a million of them. Yes, we already know that Obama has chosen to prioritize limited enforcement resources, nothing new in your ripped from google links. What you and your links haven't shown is how this constitutes a usurpation of immigration law especially given the fact that Obama's policies have resulted in a record numbers of deportations over the last administration.


On a side note, one of your links is a discussion forum (really? You link to a discussion forum?) which proudly lists UFOs, Conspiracy Theorists, and Lunatic Fringe in its header.

Priceless.


More:

Conservative Crusader

Usurpador- A lunatic birther blog

Impeach Obama-need we even comment

And of course what objective, intellectual list would be complete without FREE REPUBLIC-A discussion forum (really, you link to a discussion forum) that would consider Glenn's political postions dangerously moderate.





Someone needs to get out from Obama's desk. Yes, Boehner does have his dignity to consider.

[geerair]

I notice you didn't post any facts refuting the evidence. Typical Geer.Hmmmm....I expect you must have overlooked or ignored the fact that Obama has deported record numbers of illegal immigrants.

Probably ignored it as it crushes your laughable, whiny claim.

[geerair]

Just makes us believe that a lot more is going on than we already suspect.No, most folks already know that this issue is merely Republican political grandstanding.

[chaard]

I gotta ask; what does that video have to do with politics?.

Not a thing. You said fighting dirty. Reminded me of Ridin' Dirty.

[chaard]

I notice you didn't post any facts refuting the evidence. Typical Geer.


Hmmmm....I expect you must have overlooked or ignored the fact that Obama has deported record numbers of illegal immigrants.

Probably ignored it as it crushes your laughable, whiny claim.

I notice you ignored or overlooked post #91.

[glennac]

I notice you ignored or overlooked post #91.

Why communicate with the mouth piece of the far left unless you enjoy letting her spout? Never acknowledges any valid points you make, just keeps spinning and that is all she has ever done since posting her. Impossible to debate because she is not an honest debater and never will be. Let it go and just ignore her like the rest of us do. That will be better for your mental well being, trust me chaard. Thank you, thank you very much

[chaard]

Why communicate with the mouth piece of the far left unless you enjoy letting her spout? Never acknowledges any valid points you make, just keeps spinning and that is all she has ever done since posting her. Impossible to debate because she is not an honest debater and never will be. Let it go and just ignore her like the rest of us do. That will be better for your mental well being, trust me chaard. Thank you, thank you very much

I was thinking the same thing. Thank you very much.

[RoBoTeq]

Not a thing. You said fighting dirty. Reminded me of Ridin' Dirty.
Ahhh, gotcha. That is one ugly creamcicle looking ride he is not riding dirty in.

[RoBoTeq]

"More Obama Arrogance" will be back, right after these commercial breaks; http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Aqxl9qiFonc

http://dontbeadonkey.com/

[chaard]

History shows that a President is not above the law.


During his second term, President RICHARD M. NIXON tried to place the Executive Branch of the federal government beyond the reach of legal process. When served with a subpoena ordering him to produce a series of tapes that were anticipated to link him to the Watergate conspiracy and cover-up, Nixon refused to comply, asserting that the confidentiality of these

tapes was protected from disclosure by an absolute and unqualified Executive Privilege. In UNITED STATES V. NIXON, 418 U.S. 683, 94 S. Ct. 3090, 41 L. Ed. 2d 1039 (1974), the Supreme Court disagreed, compelling the president to hand over the tapes because the Constitution forbids any branch of government from unilaterally thwarting the legitimate ends of a criminal investigation.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=Rule+of+law

By this reasoning, Obama cannot interfere with a Dept. that determines someone to be an illegal alien and moves to deport them. He is interfering with a criminal investigation.

[ControlsInMT]

History shows that a President is not above the law.



http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=Rule+of+law

No....only Republican Presidents aren't above the law. Two words.....Bill Clinton.:censored:

[RoBoTeq]

No....only Republican Presidents aren't above the law. Two words.....Bill Clinton.:censored:
And when Clinton was impeached, Democrats thought he was being called just peachy. Laws only apply to those who intend to obey them when you are a Democrat.

[hearthman]

Nixon tested the waters but the SCOTUS put him back into his place. When faced with the certainty of conviction and realizing the damage it was doing to the country, he did the one thing so contrary to his legacy as a crook: he did the honorable thing and resigned. Yes, Tricky Dick was a LOT more honorable than any of the pirates we have running the show now. You can call Nixon a cheat, liar, scoundrel, etc. but look at what he accomplished:
-ended the Vietnam War and brough us home
-stood firm against the Russians in the SALT negotiations
-Kept us out of the civil war in Chile
-Eliminated the cabinet dept of Post Office
-opened dialogue with the Red Chinese, which might have averted a war and ultiately brought Christianity to millions of Chinese
-stepped down when it was the proper thing to do and set an example the press doesn't want to point out.

I think the single greatest defining moment in US history was when George Washington stepped down as Commander in Chief of the army on 23 Dec. 1783 when he could have crowned himself King. No conquerer in history had ever done that. The next greatest thing he did was peacefully and willingly transfer power to John Adams. Nobody had ever done that in history either. Washington was the only POTUS to win 100% of the electoral votes.

Name one honorable thing about Obama. It cannot be done. He thinks he is the owner of the US. Do you think he will peacefully surrender the reins of the POTUS whether now or in 4 yrs.?

Histoy will record him as such a liar, cheat, thief, scoundrel and traitor he will be remembered far above Benedict Arnold, Jimmy Carter or Dick Nixon as our single worst, most corrupt, most dangerous leader or public figure.

[RoBoTeq]

I think I have figured out something that we weren't supposed to figure out. It came to me when I saw that the TV saga "Dallas" was being brought back. To bring back Dallas just seems so silly to me. Then I realized that we are actually all sleeping and dreaming. The past three plus years since Obama became president have all been a dream, just like that one season of Dallas. JR didn't really get shot and Obama didn't really become president.

The only problem is; is John McCain really the president?

[coolwhip]

"Histoy will record him as such a liar, cheat, thief, scoundrel and traitor he will be remembered far above Benedict Arnold, Jimmy Carter or Dick Nixon as our single worst, most corrupt, most dangerous leader or public figure."

Dont be so sure of this.....have you looked into who controls the writing of history and the publishing houses in this country?:eek2:

If you haven't, you may not want to.

[hearthman]

The infamous gap in the Nixon Watergate tapes and Alice's Restaurant both run 18 1/2 minutes....... You be the judge. :cheers:

[netsalt]

I did not know that about the 18.5 min coincidence - something to think about. Does anyone know what Project Wide Receiver and Project Road Runner did and when?

[chaard]

The infamous gap in the Nixon Watergate tapes and Alice's Restaurant both run 18 1/2 minutes....... You be the judge. :cheers:

So your saying Nixon was just having lunch at Alice's Restaurant during that time?:grin2:

[glennac]

So your saying Nixon was just having lunch at Alice's Restaurant during that time?:grin2:

Heck all Nixon was doing was trying to help his buddies out on the break-in. He wasn't giving away top secrets to Red China for some campaign donations or stabbing our ally the Shaw in the back and installing a radical Muslim anti West regime in Iran, or destroying the economy of the US and turning this country into a Marxist state or trying to make this country into a 3rd world county by opening immigration to the 3rd world like LBJ. I say by any comparison Nixon was far superior though not as good a Reagan. Thank you, thank you very much