Is it just me?

[Gib's Son]

But it seems like since Huesien has been elected we, all sides of the spectrum, are giving way to much credit to the office of the Presidency. In other words, giving him credit, and fault for all that goes on, and allowing the office to act as a dictator or King rather than a President as outlined in our Constitution.

We are supposed to have a balance of powers. I think the concentration needs to be on electing a congress and senate that will "do the right thing"; call him out, stop all the UN-constitutional appointees, Czars etc. etc. We need a congress with some nads that will stop this fool, and future Presidents, no mater which party affiliation, and expose them (him) for what they are (what he is).

We, that believe in what America was founded upon, need a 100 year plan to take America back; just like they had a plan on how to destroy us.

[dec]

Your problem is people are out for what they can get for nothing or what someone in their family is getting paid for by the tax payer. You have a lying, liberal, dirtbag president handing out promises left and right at any person or group willing to vote for him. Wether it be unions, people on welfare , college students, government workers, gays, Muslems, illegal aliens, large corporations looking for preferental treatment, or anyone wanting something for nothing.

They now go with the idea of lie , lie , lie and if anyone questions it LIE. They realize that people are stupid and with the help of mainstram news media they can control what people hear.

Look at some of the people in here that you have respect for as far as what they know about hvac. Then they give their political view and reasoning and all of the sudden you realize they have no clue as to what is really going on or they stick to that point of view being their wife, family or they themself is getting some overblown benifit that average person bustin his butt is not gonna get being they didn't have some lobbyist rigging it in his favor. I think a lot in here probly are not stupid enough to not know its not right but then they would never admit it being its in their benefit to vote to what fills their pocket then to do whats right for the country.

No point in arguing with them being you can't fix stupid :.02:

[Brian GC]

Even the Fire Dept has learned how to tap the system. They now charge $1,500 - $2,000 for a 15 minute ride to the emergency room. And where do they go for that compensation, yep, the health insurance companies.

It seems nobody will take the first step to solve our health insurance problems. All they care about is making a buck and criticizing Obama.

My health insurance just went up 20%. Thanks Fire Dept. But go ahead, point to somebody else like everyone else does.

[hearthman]

If you want to find blame for health care costs, look no further than Congress and the individual state legislatures. The main reason for rising health care costs is litigation, both directly and indirectly. Everything you touch in the medical profession is padded for legal reasons. It has been the golden well for much of America because nobody wants to enact tort law reform. Why not? Because the legislatures are made up of, wait for it.....................lawyers! Why would they kill the goose that laid the golden egg?

If your EMS is charging that amount it means they are finally charging what they must to recover their costs of operations. Much of that cost is bad debt and collections since the indigent care tax millage is drying up nationwide. When I left EMS in 1992 we were charging about $145 flat rate regardless if I emptied out the drug box. Medicare reimbursements have also been drying up and Medicaid does not pay for EMS service. People use EMS like a free taxi cab to get around town. They are carted into the ER where they hop off the stretcher and walk out of the ER often not even waiting to sign out AMA--against medical advice. Who pays for that ride? We do. When state grants and matching funds dry up to purchase new vehicles, equipment, communications systems it has to come from somewhere. An ambulance is for those who are so unstable they should receive pre-hospital emergency medical care and cannot ride in a taxi or POV (personally owned vehicle).

[coolwhip]

Congress has been bought by corporations, unions, special interest etc. They do not represent the people that voted them into office...this is an illusion.

If they represented themselves in their true attire, it would resemble that of a NASCAR driver.
If they didn't carry out the demands of their owners, they would have a very short stay in office and probably never work in politics again.

We have an autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader that practices economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

We have Fascism!

Now, how do we correct this and get back to a Constitutional Republic? With the blood of patriots and tyrants thats how.

There is no other way because those that hold power will not give it up freely...never...ever.

We need to start over, remove all elected officials from office, elect new ones with short term limits and no benefits unless approved by the people.
Every official office would have a minder of the people there to supervise the activity and report monthly directly to the people.
The peoples minder would be held accountable for any illegal activity that goes on in the office they oversee.
The PM would also have full powers of arrest...like a US Marshall, but for the people.
They would also monitor all polling stations and be responsible for counting ballets in this country.
Every minder would be required to memorize the Constitution and Bill of Rights, carry a copy at all times, and be sworn to uphold it under penalty of treason.

[Brian GC]

If you want to find blame for health care costs, look no further than Congress and the individual state legislatures. The main reason for rising health care costs is litigation, both directly and indirectly. Everything you touch in the medical profession is padded for legal reasons. It has been the golden well for much of America because nobody wants to enact tort law reform. Why not? Because the legislatures are made up of, wait for it.....................lawyers! Why would they kill the goose that laid the golden egg?

If your EMS is charging that amount it means they are finally charging what they must to recover their costs of operations. Much of that cost is bad debt and collections since the indigent care tax mileage is drying up nationwide. When I left EMS in 1992 we were charging about $145 flat rate regardless if I emptied out the drug box. Medicare reimbursements have also been drying up and Medicaid does not pay for EMS service. People use EMS like a free taxi cab to get around town. They are carted into the ER where they hop off the stretcher and walk out of the ER often not even waiting to sign out AMA--against medical advice. Who pays for that ride? We do. When state grants and matching funds dry up to purchase new vehicles, equipment, communications systems it has to come from somewhere. An ambulance is for those who are so unstable they should receive pre-hospital emergency medical care and cannot ride in a taxi or POV (personally owned vehicle).

You make good points but if the insurance companies are being gouged because of lawsuits why aren’t the cash payers being charges at the same rate? They can sue the same as the insured.

As for EMS, they cost the same whether they are sitting in the fire station or out on a call, with the exception of a few supplies. It’s my opinion that they are now in a need for more revenue so they decided to gouge the insurance trough just like the private ambulance companies have been doing for decades.

I am currently working for a retired fire captain. He said they all think it is crap that they now charge for their services. He said only about 33% of the cases get paid for. In other words, only the insurance companies pay it. So it continues that only those with money have to pay…until their backs are broken.

[AStudent]

Congress has been bought by corporations, unions, special interest etc. They do not represent the people that voted them into office...this is an illusion.

If they represented themselves in their true attire, it would resemble that of a NASCAR driver.
If they didn't carry out the demands of their owners, they would have a very short stay in office and probably never work in politics again.

We have an autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader that practices economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

We have Fascism!

Now, how do we correct this and get back to a Constitutional Republic? With the blood of patriots and tyrants thats how.

There is no other way because those that hold power will not give it up freely...never...ever.

We need to start over, remove all elected officials from office, elect new ones with short term limits and no benefits unless approved by the people.
Every official office would have a minder of the people there to supervise the activity and report monthly directly to the people.
The peoples minder would be held accountable for any illegal activity that goes on in the office they oversee.
The PM would also have full powers of arrest...like a US Marshall, but for the people.
They would also monitor all polling stations and be responsible for counting ballets in this country.
Every minder would be required to memorize the Constitution and Bill of Rights, carry a copy at all times, and be sworn to uphold it under penalty of treason.

Instead of going to war we can start by stopping the corporations from buying our government. A lot like separation of church and state....we now need separation of corporation and state.

I believe this is what the wall street protesters were trying to accomplish as we sat on our couches watching our media bash them...who does our media work for again?

[Brian GC]

Instead of going to war we can start by stopping the corporations from buying our government. A lot like separation of church and state....we now need separation of corporation and state.

I believe this is what the wall street protesters were trying to accomplish as we sat on our couches watching our media bash them...who does our media work for again?

Good post!

Too bad there aren't enough of us that see through our media. They cop out by picking sides.

[newoldtech]

Instead of going to war we can start by stopping the corporations from buying our government. A lot like separation of church and state....we now need separation of corporation and state.

I believe this is what the wall street protesters were trying to accomplish as we sat on our couches watching our media bash them...who does our media work for again?

Yes we definetly dont want anyone including corporations to be able to buy influence in our government. But on the same hand we want the government to be "business friendly" as much as possible. As business is the engine that drives our economy.

[Gib's Son]

Instead of going to war we can start by stopping the corporations from buying our government. A lot like separation of church and state....we now need separation of corporation and state.

I believe this is what the wall street protesters were trying to accomplish as we sat on our couches watching our media bash them...who does our media work for again?

I don't know what channel you watched but all I heard was clips of people like Nancy Pelosi "blessing" them.

That being said, yes we do need to get the cooperation's out of Govt., on all sides of the isles.

[hvacker]

If you all agree on limiting corporate interests in Washington why elect those that thrive on it? You know where the new Republicans stand and it seems contradictory to where you stand. Puzzles me.
Call me selfish but I vote mostly based on my self interests and the country I want both for my self and my family. The new Republicans don't even come close.
Now I see Paul Ryan wants to make the interest on student loans 6.25%+or- permanent. When you can buy a house today at 3.5% or close to that why can't a student loan be close to that?

[tunnel_rat]

The original idea of citizen legislators is something needed to go back to. Career politicians who know nothing else, will do ,say, or fight to hold on to their comfy salaries and power as long as they are allowed to do so. 30 years in office? Really? NO. B.S. :gah: Get a real job and try again in another 10 years, maybe.

[Gib's Son]

The original idea of citizen legislators is something needed to go back to. Career politicians who know nothing else, will do ,say, or fight to hold on to their comfy salaries and power as long as they are allowed to do so. 30 years in office? Really? NO. B.S. :gah: Get a real job and try again in another 10 years, maybe.

That's kinda my point. We need people in congress that are more interested in maintaining the rule of law and the Constitution then their own selfish means and personal beliefs. When they are sworn in, that is what they take an oath to do, but very few do that. Those that don't need to be held accountable by current or newly elected officials. There is no statute of limitations on murder; there should be no statute of limitations on crimes against this country.

[dec]

Good post!

Too bad there aren't enough of us that see through our media. They cop out by picking sides.

Exactly an example of not getting it and I'm guessing they watch any NBC , CNBC, MSNBC, CBS, and ABC station. and then say if you watch Fox ....your brainwashed.

At LEAST I HAVE A BRAIN to know what is fact or fiction .... the liberal pushers in here have no clue and the so he thinks he is emperor (president ) .... has no clothes :grin2:

He is just a lying socialist liberal DIRT BAG :.02:

[Brian GC]

Exactly an example of not getting it and I'm guessing they watch any NBC , CNBC, MSNBC, CBS, and ABC station. and then say if you watch Fox ....your brainwashed.

At LEAST I HAVE A BRAIN to know what is fact or fiction .... the liberal pushers in here have no clue and the so he thinks he is emperor (president ) .... has no clothes :grin2:

He is just a lying socialist liberal DIRT BAG :.02:

When it comes to picking sides we think we only have two choices. We can go with Obama types and hand it over to social programs or go with Bush types and give it to the corporations, ultra wealthy and the military industrial fear mongering complex. Maybe you could explain how one is so much better than the other.

[dec]

When it comes to picking sides we think we only have two choices. We can go with Obama types and hand it over to social programs or go with Bush types and give it to the corporations, ultra wealthy and the military industrial fear mongering complex. Maybe you could explain how one is so much better than the other.

Where do you get the idea the liberal are not dishing it out to big corporations ...... solindera, GM, GE, Fanny ma , freddy mac, AIG, About any place run by UNIONS, All the big banks .......... THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.

Just an example of you taking a blind eye to whats going on the liberal side. Now not saying republicans don,t overspend too but anyone thinking OBAMA is not driving us over a cliff is a ....DUMB A$$ :.02:

[Brian GC]

Where do you get the idea the liberal are not dishing it out to big corporations ...... solindera, GM, GE, Fanny ma , freddy mac, AIG, About any place run by UNIONS, All the big banks .......... THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.

Just an example of you taking a blind eye to whats going on the liberal side. Now not saying republicans don,t overspend too but anyone thinking OBAMA is not driving us over a cliff is a ....DUMB A$$ :.02:

Of course corporations get theirs first on both sides because they are the ones that put these jokers in office. But tell us how Bush put us in a better situation fiscally than Clinton or Obama.

You can say Obama recklessly spends on social programs but the same can be said about how Bush spent on wars and giving tax breaks to his ultra-rich buddies.

[Space Racer]

Congress makes the rules. Business plays the game. The more rules Congress makes, and the more loopholes it creates, the more likely businesses are to hire special accountants, tax attorneys, and lobbyists.

Congress breeds corruption.

True, some big businesses make great use of unfair advantages, regardless of any concept of fairness. They are monopolies. They have eliminated their competition.

If we fix Congress, we will fix business. Congress has to make it easier for business to do the right thing, not punish business for playing Congress's game.

Congress also needs to turn monopolies into smaller competitive businesses, like it did with Ma Bell in 1984.

Regarding Bush and Obama, Obama is the one who is in office now. He's the one we want to get rid of. Bush is already gone. Why keep reliving the past? We can play the "Yeah, but he started it" game all the way back to 1215, the year the Magna Carta was signed, but it won't accomplish anything.

Let's get 'er done.

[Brian GC]

Congress makes the rules. Business plays the game. The more rules Congress makes, and the more loopholes it creates, the more likely businesses are to hire special accountants, tax attorneys, and lobbyists.

Congress breeds corruption.

True, some big businesses make great use of unfair advantages, regardless of any concept of fairness. They are monopolies. They have eliminated their competition.

If we fix Congress, we will fix business. Congress has to make it easier for business to do the right thing, not punish business for playing Congress's game.

Congress also needs to turn monopolies into smaller competitive businesses, like it did with Ma Bell in 1984.

Regarding Bush and Obama, Obama is the one who is in office now. He's the one we want to get rid of. Bush is already gone. Why keep reliving the past? We can play the "Yeah, but he started it" game all the way back to 1215, the year the Magna Carta was signed, but it won't accomplish anything.

Let's get 'er done.

You make valid points about Congress and I did not mean to relive the days of Bush. My point is that we need both sides to insist on a change in Congress. As it is now the D’s only focus on the R’s, and vice versa. Not until we realize that they are both hurting this country will we be able to fix anything.

They have outsmarted us and left us impotent by dividing us. The more you b!tch about Obama the more power you give to the R's, and vice versa. The 24/7 news media perpetuates ongoing impotence.

[dec]

Just curious Brian but when you drive down the street do you look thru the windsheild to see where you are going or do you thru the rear view mirror wondering what you drove by over 3 years ago :grin2::grin2::grin2:


And yes you did mean to bring up the past of Bush. Your sounding like a politition or liberal bious news media by saying your not doing exactly what you are doing. Lie , lie, lie and if someone calls ya out on it ...... just keep lying

[Brian GC]

Just curious Brian but when you drive down the street do you look thru the windsheild to see where you are going or do you thru the rear view mirror wondering what you drove by over 3 years ago :grin2::grin2::grin2:


And yes you did mean to bring up the past of Bush. Your sounding like a politition or liberal bious news media by saying your not doing exactly what you are doing. Lie , lie, lie and if someone calls ya out on it ...... just keep lying

My point is flying right over your head. Go on and keep b!tching about Obama thinking the R's will fix everything. But know that by doing so you have cut your power in half...just where they want you to be.

My point is the R's are just a guilty for hurting this nation as the D's. But who are you going to root for then? Everyone wants a team to root for, right?

Wrong!!!

[dec]

So your saying go with Obama even though he is driving us off a cliff ( so your not picking sides) Now that makes a lot of sense .....NOT. Ya thats what Obama is saying too. You would have made a good lemming. :grin2:

Talk about someone letting things fly right over their head. Hopfully your younger then me so you can enjoy the ride more of where your ideas are headed if they happen :grin2::grin2::grin2:

[Brian GC]

Just curious Brian but when you drive down the street do you look thru the windshield to see where you are going or do you thru the rear view mirror wondering what you drove by over 3 years ago


I’m constantly looking to the past. When I bid a job I think back about how many times I’ve done that job in the past, what obstacles, what materials and what amount of time it took. Most of a person’s knowledge comes from reflecting on the past. So if you don’t remember how presidents of the past screwed this country you’re setting yourself up to do it again.

These two parties are playing us through the media. Ron Paul may not be the guy, but a third party is the answer. He has shown us it is possible and it is what Fox and CNN fear the most.

[netsalt]

The country already went over the cliff in 2008 and the latest candidate wants to go back to the same policies - sounds like a plan for the future. At least the guy in charge now is getting us out of two unfunded wars and even though the economy is pretty rocky I can only imagine if Mccain and sister Sarah got in - perpetual unfunded war comes to mind.

[Gib's Son]

Just curious, doe's Obama or the left ever do anything wrong in your view? Your man has tripled the dept in less than 4 years than Bush did in 8..and more than all president combined......and yet you continue to prop him up as some kind of hero or savior.

You come across as smart guy, just totally ingenious.

[dec]

The country already went over the cliff in 2008 and the latest candidate wants to go back to the same policies - sounds like a plan for the future. At least the guy in charge now is getting us out of two unfunded wars and even though the economy is pretty rocky I can only imagine if Mccain and sister Sarah got in - perpetual unfunded war comes to mind.

you think this economy is pretty rocky ??????? Your seeing that Lying socialist liberal dirtbag Obama proping up the economy, to keep you from knowing how really bad it really is , by saying it is better then it is being if people knew how bad it really they would be trying to throw him out even before the election. Hopefully they will vote the dirtbag out but if they don't ..... you just watch after he is elected and watch how they come out and say that things were 10 times worse then they were really telling us. NOW if that happens I' m taking it your gonna admit you had no clue what you were talking about and had your head up you know were ( ya like any liberal is gonna admit they were wrong.

So if Obama gets elected AND STRAIGHTENS THE ECONOMY OUT , I will admit I was totally wrong about Obama ....... ya I did stack the deck in my favor being that lying socialist liberal dirtbag won't fix a thing. :grin2::grin2::grin2:


Oh and yes I will call him what he really is even tho he is my president. :gah:

He makes Jimmy Carter look like a genius and we know what a loser he was :.02:

[barbar]

Man Wife 2.2 kids, unable to work (for what ever reason), any money saved has gone.

Party 1 say, we will give you food, shelter, education, health care. now

Party 2 say, We give you nowt, but in 2-3 years time if Might be a much brighter future, and you might have a better standard of life than you have now.

If this was you who would you vote for?

Would you expect people to but political ideals before the survival of their families?

[netsalt]

This election will be decided by how much hate can be drummed up against the incumbent not the qualifications of the opposition. Welcome to politics in the US, the solutions are there but in a winner takes all - my way or the highway, T party land the deck is stacked against rational choices. Our choices are between a "Lying socialist liberal dirtbag" and a "Lying plutocrat conservative dirtbag"

[AStudent]

This election will be decided by how much hate can be drummed up against the incumbent not the qualifications of the opposition. Welcome to politics in the US, the solutions are there but in a winner takes all - my way or the highway, T party land the deck is stacked against rational choices. Our choices are between a "Lying socialist liberal dirtbag" and a "Lying plutocrat conservative dirtbag"

but that Lying plutocrat conservative dirt bag is a republican....we MUST support republicans. Even if their main agenda is to go back and graduate the third grade.

Sounds stupid huh? Welcome to America!

[WebCTRL]

This election will be decided by how much hate can be drummed up against the incumbent not the qualifications of the opposition. Welcome to politics in the US, the solutions are there but in a winner takes all - my way or the highway, T party land the deck is stacked against rational choices. Our choices are between a "Lying socialist liberal dirtbag" and a "Lying plutocrat conservative dirtbag"

Don't you have it backwards, isn't the incumbent the one doing the "drumming up of the hate" against the plutocrat? I mean, he certainly can't run on his record, so he's going after the high school years (when he can't even show us any records or history of his high school or even college days) and going after the Bain Capital years to instigate more class warfare.

It seems your so called plutocrat has been trying to talk about the real issues but the media want to create the battle of hatred not a battle of policy.

What do you have against the local T Parties and there push for getting the Feds spending in order?

What do you see as the most pressing item that needs to be addressed in our Country at the moment?

[hvacker]

Forget the name calling for a minute as it just weakens an argument.
I've lived through a lot of Presidents. All lied except maybe Carter but few liked him. Many politicians are sociopaths and lying comes natural.
Obama's really not that bad when compared to some over the last 70 years. At least as far as a social conscience goes.
He's not trying to strip you of Social Security, medicare, medicaid, unemployment extension, affordable health care ( at least the beginnings of...) and other things that seemed where most Americans wanted to go.
He is often blamed for things that were coming down the pike anyway.
Read the Republican budget and ask yourself is that where you want to be?
Our fed dept can be taken back to where it was with Clinton if the will was there.
BTW Clinton's enemies made huge amounts of money while he was in office while complaining the whole time.
And no, nothing I've seen makes me think Obama's a socialist, commie, Muslim, enemy or most of the things he's called, Just a fairly unremarkable President.

[dec]

Guess that makes you BLIND :grin2: Sorry I didn't know:grin2:

[netsalt]

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THIS Is why the T-tards are disliked. It must nice to be so cocky while operating in an alternate reality ignoring the facts.

[netsalt]

Bain Capital is fair game just like when the "Community Organizer" label is used like it is something evil.

The GOP is running a plutocrat - not much room for debate.

The T party wants to free up capitalism by reducing regulations concerning money. But they want to control our personal lives even more than the current administration - their form of liberty is indeed a strange one - regulations concerning a made up commodity (cash) must be abolished, whereas regulations concerning what I do with my own body need to be tightened.

There is not one pressing need. There are many. That is what is being missed by the narrow minded folks on the far right fringe.

[dec]

well at least we agree on one thing .... YA CAN"T FIX STUPID :grin2:

[hvacker]

Guess that makes you BLIND :grin2: Sorry I didn't know:grin2:

What's wrong with someone that chooses to name call (blind) rather than dig into their head to see if there is anything resembling a rational argument there?
What makes you blind is you don't seem to be able to argue my points but prefer to throw something meaningless out there and hang up.
Maybe it's your lack of history or source of information.

[dec]

you can,t argue with blind either. You and I both know that nothing is gonna change your point of view. You could have this country taken over by terrorists and you would be bragging it as Obama having a great plan to get tourism and foreign investment. :gah:

Anyone not seeing what Obama is doing to this country is not worth taking too much time on being they will just disagree with any facts given.

Just like Obama and putting together a bypartison group with ideas on solving the deficate. Ok so they came back with answers of what he needed to do. DID HE PAY ANY ATTENTION ....... HELL NO.

He ignored them and did what he thought would by votes.

Just as anyone giving you facts ..... You ignore it and go on with the same garbage. No differant then Obama.


It is entertaining to watch tho. You claim no one backs their arguments to you but you don't back up what you say .......... you think in your mind you do but it just drivel and mass amounts of paperwork just like obamas health care plan. Thousands of pieces of paper no one would take the time to read.

Its funny how thats all it is anymore with the liberals lie, lie, lie, and if they try corning you on details use missdirection to get away from the subject.

your guys problem is that people are wising up to it :grin2::grin2::grin2: