new install no filter?

[ebit123]

Ok, just had a trane xr80 furnace installed. anyway, took off cover to look inside and did not see a filter where I'd expect to see one - that is, inside the cabinet inn front of the opening to the duct. So, first, is this a typical mistake - installer forgets to put it air filter?
Or is it located somewhere else?
also, where i was looking, did not see a spring to hold the filter like there was in my old furnace - so if this is the spot for it, what holds the filter in place?

[RoBoTeq]

This is why the quality of the installer is so much more important then the brand of the equipment.

[ebit123]

ok but this company checked out fine when I checked them out - it's just that they have different people installing for them.
anyway, is this a stupid idiotic mistake they made? or am I looking in the wrong place? and what about something to hold it in?
if it's a mistake, is it ok to run the AC until i can get someone in on monday? (hey - at least I only paid them for half the job so far - so they'd better be back with a filter and someting to hold it in place if they want the rest of their money!!!

[smokin68]

Didn't your installer explain any of this to you??? The filter could be in a return grill. However, if there is no filter in your system, you got hacked.

[ebit123]

i don't see how the filter could be in a return grill the way the area is where the furnace is (in a closet in basement). if they forgot to put it in - can't someone jsut stop by and put it in?

[smokin68]

Did you call and ask them? You might want to....

[ebit123]

well just left a msg with the answering service - it's not a true emergency but left a msg. anyway.
still, without a filter in place is it ok to let the ac/blower run?

[Mr Bill]

Originally posted by ebit123
well just left a msg with the answering service - it's not a true emergency but left a msg. anyway.
still, without a filter in place is it ok to let the ac/blower run?

Take a picture of your system and post it.

[ebit123]

why?

[smokin68]

If you have an very CLEAN house,little dust,(no pets with hair), it won't hurt till Monday. If you don't, shut it down till a filter is installed.

[bmac]

Around here it is illegal to put the filter inside the furnace. Check in your return air duct near the furnace for a slot, sometimes it will have a cover on it to keep it closed.

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by bmac
Around here it is illegal to put the filter inside the furnace. Check in your return air duct near the furnace for a slot, sometimes it will have a cover on it to keep it closed.

Where is "around here"? I can't say this is a bad idea.

[Mr Bill]

quote:Originally posted by ebit123
well just left a msg with the answering service - it's not a true emergency but left a msg. anyway.
still, without a filter in place is it ok to let the ac/blower run?


Take a picture of your system and post it.



Originally posted by ebit123
why?

So we can show you were the filter goes. :D

[mark beiser]

I imagin there is a provision for a filter external to the unit somewhere.

On that Trane furnace, they had to actually remove the factory installed filter rack in the blower compartment, wich is something I always do.

I have never, and will never, install a system in such a way that an access cover for the unit has to be removed to change the filter.

[jacob perkins]

I agree, but it is really no more dangerous than an electrostatic

I read an old thread on here where some lawyer wanted help in the case of someone who was killed changing a filter....electrocuted by the door switch.

[bmac]

ROBOTEQ- In michigan, filter has to be external to the furnace.

[thorton]

Originally posted by mark beiser
I imagin there is a provision for a filter external to the unit somewhere.

On that Trane furnace, they had to actually remove the factory installed filter rack in the blower compartment, wich is something I always do.

I have never, and will never, install a system in such a way that an access cover for the unit has to be removed to change the filter.

Your right Mark, removing the filter rack that comes in the blower compartment and intstall a external filter is the right way to do it. Then the customer doesn't have to open the access cover to change the fitler. That's the way mine was done.

Thorton
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[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by bmac
ROBOTEQ- In michigan, filter has to be external to the furnace.

I'd sure like to see all filters outside of the furnace and all filters easily accesable without the need for tools. Thanks for the info.

[re2ell]

Originally posted by bmac
ROBOTEQ- In michigan, filter has to be external to the furnace.

hope it's not contagious

[re2ell]

Originally posted by jacob perkins
I agree, but it is really no more dangerous than an electrostatic

I read an old thread on here where some lawyer wanted help in the case of someone who was killed changing a filter....electrocuted by the door switch.

and that thread was really fire to follow!

[ebit123]

well, apparently the installers knew about this - b/c the filter frame and filter were missing from the furnace. but of course they didn't bother to tell me (and by the way, for the person who thinks everyone should speak English, these guys ere American, native english speakers, OK?).
what morons!!! idiots!!!!
anyway,. apparently Trane doesn't supply filter frames with the furnaces anymore - they are optional, separately packaged - b/c they want eveyone to get the electronic filter (which we would've gotten but we had no space for it in our "furnace closet).
so anyway I am really ticked off that the installers would not even tell me that this part was missing, and let me discover it for myself after it had already been running, which could've led to damaged equipment (we have a pretty dusty house).
so, I'm having them send over a different installer to finish the job.
also, anyone who works for Trane - would they care to know how these "trane authorized installers" messed up?

[ashiffman]

We just had a new HVAC system installed in the house we rent here in California. No filter was installed in the furnace, instead it correctly went into the single return air grill in our hallway.

For what's it worth, I also thought the contractor made a mistake so I called to ask about it and was told 1 filter only and it goes in the return air grill.

That's not to say that your contractor didn't make a mistake, but it's something to consider.

[RoBoTeq]

Won't do any good complaining to Trane, it was not there fault. Just for the record; I don't care for filter grills. They are usually not sized large enough and there is usually too much air infiltration between the filter and the blower.

[danglerb]

I can't say if anybody made a mistake or who it was, but all the ones I have seen put the filter next to the air handler. Filter grilles seem to be something invented to sell to consumers.

[ebit123]

it's not that they made a mistake - it's that they neglected to tell me that the part (the filter frame which holds the filter in, inside the furnace cabinet) was missing. They shoud have communicated that to me instead of just taking off. to me that is dishonest, not upfront, poor customer service. what these people did was just leave the furnace that way - filterless - just runnning (which can't be good for the furnace - good thing I discovered this later that day). sneaky!!! cowardly!!!
I think Trane would be interested in hearing that subcontractors representing their name would be like this.
well, the owner of the local trane dealer is coming over 7:30 in the morning to install the filter frame in the filter - I imagine he must be a little pissed at his installers....hope so!