AStudent
05-02-2012, 04:17 AM
Another restless night....can't stop thinking about this country America...can't help but wonder why...and think why not?
Everything from education to justice is done completely backwards in our country...what is the root of it? Have we changed from being rebels with a cause...to being pacifists who don't stand for anything as long as we have a few luxuries? Or are we simply too divided...fighting among ourselves over idiotic things while the bigger picture goes unnoticed?
War...crime...hate...greed, are these things not advised against by the very religion we base our country on? Are these things not part of our every day lives?
As a country we need to take a time out, review not only our political policies but our personal lives. Decide if we really enjoy the way we are living, or if we are just kept in a state of joy because we have big macs and guns, Iphones and Cadillacs?
Maybe I'm wrong...maybe America is doing fine with having 99% of it's GDP as debt. We can blame ourselves in my opinion...caught up in the luxuries of life..always wanting more and more...asking for bigger salaries because we need more stuff...and we wonder why our businesses have gone overseas. Where did this greed of always wanting more stem from?
Big business? Or does greed occur naturally, and is brought out more when material items are easily accessible? Is greed really a bad thing? Some say greed runs the world, while parts of this theory may be true, greed also consumes itself as it can grow out of control.
Please try not to be one sided, it only leads to more division and chaos as you can see in other threads and throughout our country.
Thank you
SolarMike
05-02-2012, 06:28 AM
Interesting post. America is the great dichotomy. On one hand the countries intake of immigrants, like Canada, grabbed a lot of the smartest people, hard working fleeing oppression in Europe and elsewhere but on the other hand the dogmatic adherence to very old views from the 1700s keeps it in a time loop while other political systems evolve.
It is a yin/yang thing. We have some of the same issues with partisanship in government that comes from having a majority of the votes. I know in some systems, germany for example, the govt is based on proportional representation. There are opposition members in the working government.
We have always had to room to grow so we can always ignore issues as long as there is a few acres somewhere that we can buy to get away. Other countries run up against population issues long before we did and solved them by co-operation (but only after 2 world wars). Do we need to have a major domestic war before we start working together?
Corporations are so modern a construct that we should not put any faith in them as a system, yet we have begun to idolize them and treat them as human beings (legally). They tend to carry far more power in society than any regular person does and this is not natural or in the common good.
coolwhip
05-02-2012, 06:34 AM
Human beings suck...it is the nature of the beast in us. This is why everything we touch turns to sheit.
Its as simple as that.
We will never have a utopia system or society because we suck. Animals know this, thats why they always flee upon sight or smell of us.
newoldtech
05-02-2012, 08:04 AM
Human beings suck...it is the nature of the beast in us. This is why everything we touch turns to sheit.
Its as simple as that.
We will never have a utopia system or society because we suck. Animals know this, thats why they always flee upon sight or smell of us.
I actually agree with you for the most part. But we can all try and do, and be better. But part of the problem is everyones definition of doing better is different.
ControlsInMT
05-02-2012, 08:57 AM
I still view the problem as being the handouts. When every American quit working, being a contributing member of society, we started down hill spiral that we may never recover from. Don't get me wrong, a hand UP is a good thing, but I hand out does nothing except take from the country with nothing in return. No every person is not skilled, but every person is capable of doing SOMETHING to improve the country.
Space Racer
05-02-2012, 10:26 AM
A DISEASE MASQUERADING AS ITS OWN CURE
by Louis James
The late Robert Lefevre is said to have alleged that "government is a disease masquerading as its own cure." All humor value aside, I think there's a real kernel of truth in this observation.
Our culture is ill.
Ayn Rand put her finger on it many different times and ways, as she talked about the decaying moral fabric of our country. Republicans are making similar noises these days as well. Walter Williams calls it government-sponsored immorality.
My own interpretation is that it is an evaporation of standards of just conduct.
By this I mean the kind of rules we all follow when waiting in line at a movie theater. There are no laws governing this, no Line-Police. These rules evolved spontaneously, and - to the extent they are enforced at all - are enforced only by the awareness of the likely unhappy consequences of rudeness.
The statist mentality would argue that there are times when people cut the line or that the old are forced to stand too long; we need a Bureau of Lines. Philosophers call it the Public Goods Argument. This same poisonous idea - that there are some things we need that will only be provided if the state does it - was the chink in Adam Smith's intellectual armor that has allowed well-intentioned persons and dictators alike to enslave us in the name of helping us. This is the same BIG LIE statists everywhere have used to enhance the power of the state at the expense of the individual.
And what are the results?
The welfare state is such a sparkling success that statists have been able to justify its expansion with every new level of human misery it has produced.
A growing regulatory apparatus has so "protected" us from harmful activity that it is almost (if not actually!) impossible to earn a living without breaking a law.
Civil law has become distorted to the point where incredible damage awards for the most paltry of imagined wrongs have created an atmosphere in which it is increasingly difficult for individuals and businesses to plan ahead.
Criminal law is rapidly becoming nothing more than a brute's club with which to beat the masses into adhering to whatever moral imperatives (green, sectarian, socialist, or whatever) those in power at the moment think are important.
The law enforcement community is being freed from constitutional restraints and developing an agenda of its own.
But these things are symptoms, as is the chaos they produce. The true nature of the illness that both produces and is produced by such trends, like a vicious cycle of disease begetting disease, is human irresponsibility. In modern times, the infection starts with the state - itself built on foundations of Public Goods Arguments - which attempts to replace standards of just conduct with force (laws). It is rather like a parent ordering children around, instead of enrolling them in doing the right thing. It is the difference between "because I said so (and I'm bigger than you are)" and "because it is the right thing to do (and this is why...)." It is the difference between force and voluntary association.
Such preemptive use of force denies people the possibility of choosing to do the right thing. This breeds irresponsibility. The illness spirals toward crisis, displaying symptomatic chaos in ever escalating horrors.
The state responds with more government involvement in interpersonal affairs, which leads to more irresponsibility. People feel caught up in some vast impersonal system that cares for them in inverse proportion to its claims to do so. They feel this way because they are caught in a vast impersonal system.
The most amazing thing about it is that very few people are died- in-the-wool statists. The state itself doesn't even exist! We are dealing with a phenomenon that, as violent and powerful as it is, is nothing more than a pattern of behaviors exhibited by a community of individuals.
True believers in the myth do great harm with their worship, but the greatest harm comes from the cooperation of good people who simply never question the orthodoxy. Government, as a system and a pattern of social organization, destroys the incentives that remind people that they truly are responsible for themselves. It is simply a twist of history that places us in an era where the mythology of the state has taken a form that obscures the unhealthy nature of the whole notion.
This is worth repeating: to the extent that the state exists, it is the aggregation of the beliefs and actions of the individuals participating in the myth.
Think of it as a kind of mass mental illness.
Must it be this way?
Yes. The modern state, by its very nature and existence, tells you that there are some things you just can't do for yourself. YOU ARE INCOMPETENT! This is what every agency and office in the government tells us, simply by existing. You are incompetent to decide what medicines to take; we'll make sure your doctor can only give you the ones we think are best. You are incompetent to defend yourself, or hire a security company; we'll make sure you're kept safe and sound. You're too stupid to provide for your senior years, so we'll do it for you...
And people listen. Precious few ever wonder how it comes to be that government employees can be so competent when people are all such imbeciles. If we're not competent to live, respond the people, then we can't be responsible for our actions.
And the courts listen (well, at least the lawyers do). You are not responsible, say the courts, you are an adult child of an alcoholic. You are not responsible, agree the bureaucrats, you are too poor to look for a job. You are not responsible, add the self-proclaimed leaders of the feminist movement, you are just products of The Patriarchy.
Add to this mixture the well documented failure of government-based solutions, and you have the perfect recipe for - you guessed it - escalating disorder.
The bottom line is that to govern is to rule, and to rule is to enslave. No one is surprised when slaves produce no more than will allow them to escape punishment. Why should it surprise us that people feel little incentive to maintain a social order that dehumanizes them and over which they have little control?
This deplorable state of affairs has gone so far, that students who refuse to cheat, who want only the grade they can earn, are a vanishing breed. When one of these throwbacks does appear in the corridors of our state schools, the ridicule received is savage.
An adult with a work ethic is so rare that businesses assume that a certain percentage of their resources will go to deliberate waste, outright embezzlement, and theft. As a matter of course! Retailers call it shrinkage. As a corporate restaurant manager, I simply knew that a portion of my food and liquor cost was going to people who thought I was hopelessly naive for being upset about it.
And the mythical statists are delighted; such irresponsible persons clearly need their helping hand! (Those poor slaves, they'd starve without us to take care of them! Yes, Marse IRS, we are slaves! Take our money, and give it to those who'll tell us what to do!)
Make no mistake. If the bureaucrats and statists ever cured the illnesses they claim to be treating, they'd be out of a job.
Now, I'm not claiming that all statists are deliberately encouraging our society's illness for their personal gain. I think we all know that a good number of them are simply pursuing personal gain with no thought to the consequences at all.
Perhaps some do know that deteriorating conditions justify increased budgets for their fiefdoms (certain sectors of the law-enforcement community come to mind). My guess is that these are probably outnumbered by those who have simply accepted what they have been told about how much good they are doing. They have very powerful reasons not to shed the light of reason onto such assumptions.
And remember; individual bureaucrats, officers, justices, legislators, presidents, and so forth - who may or may not actually be statists - do not matter. Harmful actions by such individuals are worth opposing, but just barely. What really matters is undermining the myth. Chains do not a slave make. It is our acceptance of the myth that some men and organizations have the right to tell us what to do that enslaves us.
So, how do we treat this illness?
The answer has to lie in reversing the basic pathology and in countering the pathogen. The pathology is individual irresponsibility. The pathogen is the state. The antidote is the individual's realization that she or he is, in fact, free. It is a grim fact, but nevertheless true, that we can all opt out of the myth by taking our own lives. No power of the state can prevent this. The trick is to find less drastic - and more productive - ways of opting out of the myth.
I urge everyone to accept the fullest responsibility for their actions. I recognize that not everyone has the heart for this, but still urge everyone to do the best they can to be examples. I also recognize that some resistance can get one killed in short order, and hope that we are still a long way from the time when such prices actually make sense.
However, this shouldn't be used as an excuse for not doing what we can. We are not slaves, and we must not act like we are!
I maintain that the truth is that people put their own manacles on, and keep the keys in their own pockets! Slavery is an attitude. The worst fear of the mythical statist must be that one day enough people will realize this and the power of the state will cease to exist.
For those who think that I am pushing the rhetoric too far, think about that dark night not so many years ago in the former Soviet Union. Slavery had slipped for a moment, and the thought of it settling back was just unendurable. Without any orders - or permission - tens of thousands of people spontaneously took those invisible keys out of the gray folds of their minds and unlocked their chains. Without any reason to believe they would not stand alone, they went and stood in front of tanks. They said to their brothers and sisters, we will be slaves no more!
How can we do less?
Indeed, if we are unwilling to act when slavery is less oppressive, we will surely have to act when resistance has become more lethal.
Resist state programs that aggress upon you. Decry state crimes loudly. Find out about arbitration, and don't use the state courts. Don't use the post office. Don't collect social security (yes, you were lied to, but SS money is blood-money, taken by force from non-consenting others). Exercise your right to defend yourself. Don't cooperate with the state, or participate in maintaining its fictions. If you are going to vote, for life's sake, vote for the candidate or party that will truly work towards reducing state power, size, and violence.
Above all, be an honest person of integrity that deals fairly with all, and repairs any harm done to others. Show the world that people can do the right thing without being forced to!
Lastly, we can dust off a word that was put away too soon - Abolition.
A good, hard, uncompromising word, rich with historical overtones. Abolition. The institutionalized coercion of some individuals by others is still with us. Abolition. Perhaps we were naive to think that freeing the slaves brought from Africa would be the end of a poisonous idea. Abolition. Ideas die harder than that. Abolition...
It may be that, if we ever completely abolish slavery, the state as we know it will cease to exist. So be it. I'm sure we can think of something better. ABOLITION!!!
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience... To be 'cured' against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level with those who have not yet reached the age of reason... You start being 'kind' to people before you have considered their rights, and then force upon them supposed kindnesses which they in fact had a right to refuse, and finally kindnesses which no one but you will recognize as kindnesses and which the recipient will feel as abominable cruelties."
- C.S. Lewis
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