HELP I think I killed my Goodman AC Compressor

[ginneeeeee]

Can anyone help me - I just had a new oil fired forced air furnace and a new Goodman Central Air system installed. The HVAC installer said he told me not to turn the AC system on because he had to open the valves. I never heard him say that and when the electrician hooked up the wiring I ran the unit for a few hours and then turned it off. When the HVAC installer came back to start up my system he said the compressor would not start. Did I kill it?

[md master]

Always let the contractor start up the equipment. A checklist needs to be done as well as fine tuning of charge, fan speed etc. Yep, good chance that after "a few hours" of running with the service valves shut you could've killed it. Especially with a scroll. Expensive lesson.

[ginneeeeee]

Oh my God!!! I'm a dead woman. Funeral tomorrow - my husband is gonna send me to the moon. Do you think a booster can revive it?

[leapfrog]

Originally posted by ginneeeeee
Did I kill it? No, the installer did. Any competent installer (and/or their electrician) would have pulled the disconnect so that you couldn't accidentally or intentionally run the condenser.

The installer should replace it under warranty.

[Mr Bill]

Originally posted by ginneeeeee
Oh my God!!! I'm a dead woman. Funeral tomorrow - my husband is gonna send me to the moon. Do you think a booster can revive it?

Well number one I personally would not have left the unit in a state were the Home owner could have turned it on even with power hooked up to it if I did not want the unit to be ran there are ways we can do that, so it's just as much the contractors fault the unit and the labor should still be under warranty if it's brand new the contractor will have to change out the compressor for "free" at this point he may not be happy about it but he should have not left your a/c in a manner it could be started.

[BaldLoonie]

Bingo!

[re2ell]

genneeeeee, i feel the contractor made a bad choice walking away from the unit without ensuring, under any circumstances, the condenser starting. in this light, i think the installer is 100% responsible for the failure, not you.

good luck in the outcome

[RoBoTeq]

There's a good chance the compressor just kept going out on thermal overload and is now stuck. I would try a couple of hardstarts before panicking.

[ginneeeeee]

Thank you so much for your thoughts- I didn't know that he could of made it so I couldn't turn it on. I will mention it to him and ask him why he left it the way he did.

[re2ell]

ah heck!, he left in a hurry because of the Big Mac attack and forgot to disable it...

[Mr Bill]

Originally posted by re2ell
ah heck!, he left in a hurry because of the Big Mac attack and forgot to disable it...

Hey don't be surprised this probably is why. :D

[md master]

Originally posted by leapfrog

Originally posted by ginneeeeee
Did I kill it? No, the installer did. Any competent installer (and/or their electrician) would have pulled the disconnect so that you couldn't accidentally or intentionally run the condenser.

The installer should replace it under warranty.


The installer hooked up the unit BEFORE the electrician wired it it sounds like. How could that be the installer when there wa no potential to the unit when he left? There was more than likely no disconnect to pull.

[ginneeeeee]

Close - he went boating from friday to sunday. He installed on thursday, electrician came on Friday and by the time the electrician finished he was off boating.

[Mr Bill]

Originally posted by md master

The installer hooked up the unit BEFORE the electrician wired it it sounds like. How could that be the installer when there wa no potential to the unit when he left? There was more than likely no disconnect to pull.

Guess you have never heard of low voltage. :D

[re2ell]

hmmm, sounds like a real tag team operation! installer relies on electrician to fire the unit, or, maybe installer expects homeowner to sit and wait for 4 days while installer bask in the sun @ the lake! (choking down his Big Macs)

[ginneeeeee]

As we speak he is here trying to start it up. No luck!! He's getting me a new unit. Talking to the Goodman people now. I told him why didn't he make it so I couldn't turn it on. He said he didn't think he had to because he said he told me not to. I just don't remember him saying that. Anyway, he is going to replace it. Now lets see if its gonna cost me extra. Thanks all for your input.

[Mr Bill]

Now he will have to pay Robin to keep him from turning him into the authorities. :D

[re2ell]

now he's making you the victim and he remains the good guy! this would make a nice episode for forensic files.

[re2ell]

Originally posted by mrbillpro
Now he will have to pay Robin to keep him from turning him into the authorities. :D

LOL

[ginneeeeee]

Originally posted by mrbillpro
[QUOTE]Originally posted by md master
[B]
The installer hooked up the unit BEFORE the electrician wired it it sounds like. How could that be the installer when there wa no potential to the unit when he left? There was more than likely no disconnect to pull.

Yes this is what happened he hooked it up, charged it but didn't open the valves. The electrician and I didn't know that and thought that it was ready to turn on. When the electrician was finished, we ran the ac but no cool air cam out. We let it run for awhile and shut it off. When he left I tried it again in about two hours and let it run for about 3 hours. There is a power cut off switch not far from the unit.

[re2ell]

not looking good for the installer

[ginneeeeee]

He said he wants to try and change the compacitor? what ever that is. Does that sound like it may work?

[ginneeeeee]

If he starts changing parts will the unit work ok or did I damage it to the point where it won't work as it should?

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by mrbillpro
Now he will have to pay Robin to keep him from turning him into the authorities. :D

Payments to be made based on the International tequila standards :D

[md master]

Originally posted by mrbillpro

Originally posted by md master

The installer hooked up the unit BEFORE the electrician wired it it sounds like. How could that be the installer when there wa no potential to the unit when he left? There was more than likely no disconnect to pull.

Guess you have never heard of low voltage. :D


Since when does the electrician or homeowner have the authority to turn on equipment that has not been thouroughly checked out by the purchasing installer? At best it's the electrician's fault for allowing potential to a possibly dangerous piece of equipment without the installing contractor there to give the OK.

[Mr Bill]

Bottom line is that"if" the a/c contractor was more responsible and wanted to make sure under "any" circumstances the unit could not fire "he" could have prevented it, and he did not, and if this case went to a court room I bet the Judge would find the contractor at fault, because he would have received input from others contractors brought in by the Home Owner that would have told the Judge this and he would have said case closed and told the a/c guy to fix it.

[hetrola]

Originally posted by md master

Originally posted by mrbillpro

Originally posted by md master

The installer hooked up the unit BEFORE the electrician wired it it sounds like. How could that be the installer when there wa no potential to the unit when he left? There was more than likely no disconnect to pull.

Guess you have never heard of low voltage. :D


Since when does the electrician or homeowner have the authority to turn on equipment that has not been thouroughly checked out by the purchasing installer? At best it's the electrician's fault for allowing potential to a possibly dangerous piece of equipment without the installing contractor there to give the OK.


No it's the installers fault for not making sure the unit could not run. He couldnt have coordinated it so the electrician was there at the right time so he could run the unit? If the electrician had something come up, he couldn't have called him and let him know the scenario. The electrician has to make sure his end works and the installer would have known that.

[md master]

Originally posted by hetrola

Originally posted by md master

Originally posted by mrbillpro

Originally posted by md master

The installer hooked up the unit BEFORE the electrician wired it it sounds like. How could that be the installer when there wa no potential to the unit when he left? There was more than likely no disconnect to pull.

Guess you have never heard of low voltage. :D


Since when does the electrician or homeowner have the authority to turn on equipment that has not been thouroughly checked out by the purchasing installer? At best it's the electrician's fault for allowing potential to a possibly dangerous piece of equipment without the installing contractor there to give the OK.


No it's the installers fault for not making sure the unit could not run. He couldnt have coordinated it so the electrician was there at the right time so he could run the unit? If the electrician had something come up, he couldn't have called him and let him know the scenario. The electrician has to make sure his end works and the installer would have known that.

disagree completely. The unit could not run when he left. Believe me I wouldn't have left the valves closed, it would have been evacuated and the charge let loose when I left so the upon return all I'd have to do was supply power for a spell and start-up/charge/check out.

However the HVAC portion of that job was his oversight and should not have been started without (at least) his verbal aproval first, NO EXCEPTIONS. The electrician could have(and quite regularly do) checked his end out at the disconnect and left it off or pulled. The installer has no idea when the electrician is going to return to finish and he is trying to get a job done including the low voltage lines. He has other work scheduled so he pulls off the job after telling the homeowner to leave it off till he returns after the electrician is done. Pretty common scenario.

What if the electrician started it and the charge was not correct, the unit freezes, runs water all over a new floor ruining it or burns up the comp due to high suerheat who's fault would it have been? The unit should not have been started without approval of the installer.

[Mr Bill]

Originally posted by hetrola

No it's the installers fault for not making sure the unit could not run.

Well you do business different from us because if I did not want that unit to be started I would have left the thermostat off the wall or disabled the unit somehow to make sure "even if everyone is on a different page" that unit would not start.
I guess if your wife leaves the keys in the car and you 4 years old drives off in the car it your fault because you have told her not to do that, no she left the keys in the car got caught up in a phone call and was irresponsible and it was her fault the kid drove off in the car.
Bottom line is the a/c contractor left the keys in the condenser.

[hetrola]

Originally posted by md master
However the HVAC portion of that job was his oversight and should not have been started without (at least) his verbal aproval first, NO EXCEPTIONS.
[/B]


Disagree, NO EXCEPTIONS, here is an exception...

What if the HVAC contractor ordered the electrician for the install. His responsibility!
If it is a package deal, be organized and have everything ready so a 3-4 hour a/c job doesn't take 5 days plus headaches.

[hetrola]

Originally posted by md master
He has other work scheduled so he pulls off the job after telling the homeowner to leave it off till he returns after the electrician is done. Pretty common scenario.
[/B]

Wow, if this is a common scenario for you...

GET ORGANIZED!

[Mr Bill]

Originally posted by hetrola

What if the HVAC contractor ordered the electrician for the install.

O no now were getting into hypothetical's :D
What if the electrician hired the a/c contractor and the a/c contractor hired the plumber and the plumber hired a security guard to guard this unit at the request of the a/c contractor who's fault is it now. :D

[hetrola]

Originally posted by mrbillpro

Originally posted by hetrola

What if the HVAC contractor ordered the electrician for the install.

O no now were getting into hypothetical's :D
What if the electrician hired the a/c contractor and the a/c contractor hired the plumber and the plumber hired a security guard to guard this unit at the request of the a/c contractor who's fault is it now. :D


Then the unit would be working! LOL :D


He said NO EXCECPTIONS, i gave him a very common valid one.

[leapfrog]

The electrician could have been instructed to pull the disconnect. The installer could have pulled the AH fuse, left the common wire off the thermostat. Lots of other options.

The homeowner deserves a new condenser. The probability of the old compressor making it to normal end of life is pretty low.

[Edited by leapfrog on 06-15-2006 at 04:18 PM]

[hillbilly tech]

Better your guys mess than mine.Think i would've left it where it couldnot have run no matter what,gees never heard of such.I thought hillbillys were slow,but hay what do i know,quite a bit from the looks of things,just joken.

[RoBoTeq]

Geez guys, it is what it is and the contractor is fixing it.

As an HVAC contractor, I would never expect a system I installed to be turned on by anyone else. Most times I had the control wiring done and ready to and often I'd leave the service valves closed as an added pressure test.

If there was no electricity when the tech left the system, then not only did someone have to wire the system, but they also had to put the breaker to the "ON" position "AND" activate the disconnect. "THEN"!....someone had to actually turn the system to the "on" position.

That's a lot of specific actions to be taken in order for that unit to operate.

[re2ell]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq

Originally posted by mrbillpro
Now he will have to pay Robin to keep him from turning him into the authorities. :D

Payments to be made based on the International tequila standards :D

¡Yó quíero taco bell!

[t527ed]

in a situation like this i always pull a low voltage wire off in unit.

[the dangling wrangler]

Originally posted by ginneeeeee
Can anyone help me The HVAC installer said he told me not to turn the AC system on because he had to open the valves. I never heard him say that and when the electrician hooked up the wiring You're what we in the industry call a MURDERER! I'm on the other line with the EPA Police.The investigators are flying in as we speak. You in a heap o trouble now!!! Did the electrican hook up more than line voltage? I'd like a bit more info please . Could have been the tech did leave the low voltage off, we just don't know.

[jthomas21]

Isn't it at all possible the unit was bad from the start?

[the dangling wrangler]

NO!

[ginneeeeee]

Old oil forced air furnace removed. Old AC unit removed.
New furnace installed and New AC unit put in place.
So far no problems.
Thursday 6/8 HVAC Contractor sets up the AC unit and tells me that on Friday HIS electrician ( which is not included in his fee-I pay him) will come and wire up the furnace, humidifier, and ac unit and whatever else needed wiring. Also the Oil Burner Tech will come and set up the furnace and get that fired up. I asked him if thats all that needed to be done and will I be ready to roll. He said yes and to give him a call when they are done so he can come back on Monday and check things out because on Friday he's going on his friends boat for the weekend (it rained here on Friday, too bad no lightening). He never said not to turn it on nor did he give HIS electrician any instructions on disabling the unit or not. The electrician asked me if it was ready and I told him as far as I know its all charged up and was told it was ready to roll. So the electrician turned everything on and let it run about 20 minutes or so and there was no cold air. He turned off the unit, I paid him and he left. I called the HVAC Contractor and left a message that the unit did not blow cold air and he needed to check it out. That was about 4pm on Thursday. Later that day I tried the unit again and let it run for a few hours - still no cool air. So I left it alone from then on. I didn't hear from the HVAC man until Monday morning when he called to tell me he would be over in an hour or so. When he got here he asked me how long the unit was on and when I told him, he said before he left on Thursday he told me not to turn the unit on because he had to come and open the valves. He never said that to me - why would I turn it on if he said not to, why would I want to do that - it doesn't make sense. Anyway he tried for about an hour or so and couldn't get it going. Came back on Tuesday when it was cooled down put a booster on it and tried again - still nothing. Said he would come back on Wednesday, he never came. Came on Thursday and tried again and couldnt get it going. Said he would be back on Friday (today) to change the capacitor - he never showed up. Four phone calls two from me and two from my husband and no return call. He said on Thursday that he would call Goodman and see if he could get a replacement. As far as I know he hasn't done that. So here we sit with no ac. He was paid 1/2 when the equipment came and the other 1/2 on the Thursday when the electrician and oil guy came. I'll see what happens on Monday. If he doesn't make good on this I guess its off to see Judge Judy!!!! I have spoken to three HVAC contractors since this happened and they all basically agree with what was said in this forum - that the tech should have told his electrician not to fire up the system and leave it disabled. It's his lack of comunication that caused this problem. I'll keep you all posted on the outcome. Thanks again for all your input, I wish one of you guys could have done this job as I would now be enjoying a nice cool house to cook my husbands favorite meal for Fathers Day.

[lakeman1234]

Judge Judy is one person I wouldn't want to see. Seems like everyone gets a a$$ chewing when they see her.

[filterchanger]

Why is the tech replacing the capacitor now. If the capacitor is bad he should of been able to diagnose that very easy the first day. Im not there but a really doubt its the capacitor.

[re2ell]

Originally posted by ginneeeeee

Thanks again for all your input, I wish one of you guys could have done this job as I would now be enjoying a nice cool house to cook my husbands favorite meal for Fathers Day.

sigh, hope the best for you ginneeeeee

[the dangling wrangler]

Well Gin, it's like this , we're only hearing one side of the story here. If you were to tell me that we're going to court that unit would be pulled before you could complete a call to 911. Chances are , if he did leave the valves closed , then you WERE told not to operate it , but you only heard what you wanted to. Let's hear from the guy who installed it before we cast any stones.

[tinmantu]

I always leave the two wire disabled if the service valves are closed...It's really that simple to avoid such an occurance as this. Seen too many electricians that think they are doing good by getting the folks back on line and applying power to the unit.

[ginneeeeee]

Originally posted by the dangling wrangler
Well Gin, it's like this , we're only hearing one side of the story here. If you were to tell me that we're going to court that unit would be pulled before you could complete a call to 911. Chances are , if he did leave the valves closed , then you WERE told not to operate it , but you only heard what you wanted to. Let's hear from the guy who installed it before we cast any stones.

I understand where your coming from. Did you ever think that he forgot to open them before he left to go boating for the weekend? I know I'm mere woman but I really do not remember him telling me not to turn the unit on. He did say that after the electrician and oil man came I'd be ready to roll. I guess I took that as meaning its ok to turn the ac on. By the way, I wasn't serious about judge judy or going to court over this. I'm sure he will figure something out- it's just frustrating that he's taking so long to do whatever he's going to do. If he's going to send it back and get a repacement then do it. If he's going to change the compressor, then do it. My husband and I are really very reasonable people and take 50% of the blame for not coming out and asking him if its ok to turn it on. We even told him that if this winds up costing more money we will split it with him. I feel we were both at fault.

[ginneeeeee]

Originally posted by re2ell
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ginneeeeee
[B]

sigh, hope the best for you ginneeeeee

Thanks Rob

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by ginneeeeee
I know I'm mere woman

I think this about sums it up. Case closed :D

[star882]

In my opinion, they should have at least put a sticker over the thermostat that says "Do not use A/C". If they were really good, they would have gotten it ready to turn on from the first day.
I'm thinking they forgot to open the valves, and are trying to scam the customer for the fault.

[RoBoTeq]

If the system was not operational when the tech left the job there was no reason for anyone to take the responsibility of turning it on and running it.

[Mr Bill]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
If the system was not operational when the tech left the job there was no reason for anyone to take the responsibility of turning it on and running it.

CORRECT!! can't say it much simpler than that. :rolleyes:

[ginneeeeee]

The Tech showed up today and told us he is getting the new compressor on Tuesday so we should have ac soon. Thanks for all the help and input this "Mere Woman" does appreciate all the feedback. And to all you dads have a very Happy Fathers Day and I hope you have a great day that I'm sure you are all deserving of. Thanks Again. Gin

[Black Adder]

Not the techs fault, homeowner and electrician have no business turning on the A/C unit for the first time. So the guy went fishing, are we not allowed to have any down time? As far as calling late on Thursday and not getting a call back, I am not surprised, if I am going away on Friday there is no way I am taking any calls late on Thursday. I am sick of people phoning and expecting me to jump at the call, I have a life as well and would like to enjoy it when I can. Yes your problems are important to me but the bottom line is my family and sanity are more important. I don't know too many people who on there death beds would say "boy I wish I spent more time working". Bottom line is you had no business turning the system on, it was not operational when the tech finished the install and he had no way of knowing that you would fire it up. I think he is doing you a big favor if he is willing to change the compressor free of charge, as far as offering to split the added cost with him, that is very big of you considering you did the damage in the first place.

[dirtyboy103us]

set units, finish piping then put on vacpump , finish duct work and low voltage shut pump off and check , open valves
what is so hard about that


ready to go

leaving one wire nut off low voltage to ensure it can't run

using old wiring to finish job and get them cooling till it can be replaced


just a big WOW

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by dirtyboy103us
set units, finish piping then put on vacpump , finish duct work and low voltage shut pump off and check , open valves
what is so hard about that


ready to go

leaving one wire nut off low voltage to ensure it can't run

using old wiring to finish job and get them cooling till it can be replaced


just a big WOW



OK, so this is your method and it seems to be good for you. First off, we still do not know if sparky did not connect the t-stat wiring, but even it was wired; no one should have energized that system but the HVAC tech.

When I had the opportunity, I would usually leave the valves closed if I was going to have to return to start up the system. This way I could double check how well the vacuum held.

The bottom line is that the system was not even capable of being operable when the tech left and someone not only made it operable but turned on the breaker, plugged in the disconnect and turned the system on. That's not an accident, that is a deliberate method of operations in order to start up the system that should not have been done.

There are just too many things that can go wrong to allow anyone but the tech to start up the equipment.

[the dangling wrangler]

Wanna bet the installing contractor will get to eat this mess, his fault or not? I doubt it was his fault. The manufacturer gets to eat the compressor. This is a comedy of errors that never should have occurred in the first place and I'm blaming the homeowner. I just don't believe it was the serviceman's fault. 'Nuff said!

[mcewans]

Originally posted by Black Adder
Not the techs fault, homeowner and electrician have no business turning on the A/C unit for the first time. So the guy went fishing, are we not allowed to have any down time? As far as calling late on Thursday and not getting a call back, I am not surprised, if I am going away on Friday there is no way I am taking any calls late on Thursday. I am sick of people phoning and expecting me to jump at the call, I have a life as well and would like to enjoy it when I can. Yes your problems are important to me but the bottom line is my family and sanity are more important. I don't know too many people who on there death beds would say "boy I wish I spent more time working". Bottom line is you had no business turning the system on, it was not operational when the tech finished the install and he had no way of knowing that you would fire it up. I think he is doing you a big favor if he is willing to change the compressor free of charge, as far as offering to split the added cost with him, that is very big of you considering you did the damage in the first place.

If the tech did not want the homwowner to operate the A/C then he should have disabled it before leaving the jobsite.
We have lockout/tagout where I work. If a machine is down and is not safe to run or operate then it must be locked out to avoid any misuderstandings and more importantly any injury or lost of life. I bet that this tech will do this in his future installs.

[the dangling wrangler]

We don't know who's at fault here!

[jthomas21]

It's definitely 100% the techs fault. He supposedly is an expert in the field, and is negligent that he left the system one simple click or flip away from compressor destruction.

Would any of you pros want someone working for you that routinely leaves their jobs in a state where all it takes is the home owner one flip of a switch to destroy their unit or worse yet cause their house to explode? How many DOA systems or deaths would you consider acceptable before you make your techs disable the system until they have checked it out?

[Mr Bill]

Well I think the guilt speaks for itself here, just ask yourself who's fixing the problem the a/c contractor or the electrician?

[trane]

Originally posted by mcewans

Originally posted by Black Adder
Not the techs fault, homeowner and electrician have no business turning on the A/C unit for the first time. So the guy went fishing, are we not allowed to have any down time? As far as calling late on Thursday and not getting a call back, I am not surprised, if I am going away on Friday there is no way I am taking any calls late on Thursday. I am sick of people phoning and expecting me to jump at the call, I have a life as well and would like to enjoy it when I can. Yes your problems are important to me but the bottom line is my family and sanity are more important. I don't know too many people who on there death beds would say "boy I wish I spent more time working". Bottom line is you had no business turning the system on, it was not operational when the tech finished the install and he had no way of knowing that you would fire it up. I think he is doing you a big favor if he is willing to change the compressor free of charge, as far as offering to split the added cost with him, that is very big of you considering you did the damage in the first place.

If the tech did not want the homwowner to operate the A/C then he should have disabled it before leaving the jobsite.
We have lockout/tagout where I work. If a machine is down and is not safe to run or operate then it must be locked out to avoid any misuderstandings and more importantly any injury or lost of life. I bet that this tech will do this in his future installs.

I have to agree,
I used to turn the disconnect over to the off position when it was to cold to start units and then come back in the spring when it warmed up. After having a church member figured this out on a new system for a church and try running the A/C I always leave the low voltage wire unhooked until I'm there ready to start it.

[gsxrsquid]

personally I assume the homeowner is going to do something to mess me up. I agree with others on this post that the system should have been evacuated and and the system charged and leak tested. but that is personal preference. It's like lock out/tag out. If you know energizing the system is bad it is your responsibility to prevent it.

In the companies I have worked for, all low voltage wiring and t-stat installion is part of the start up. Start up doesn't get scheduled until there is power to disconnect. That way there is power to run vacuum pump and to test sytem operation before leaving it.

The opinion above is mine and in no way reflects in a negative manner on goodman products in such a way as to provoke an attack by robo. ;-)

[yelram]

Ok did we all just forget that when the electrician powered it up it didnt work and he turned it off pretty quickly. Then we have someone come along (miss HO here) and feels the need to "try it again" for 2 hours? Its the HO fault plain and simple, and after that the electricians, and after that the Hvac tech.

[beenthere]

They're all guilty of helping to kill a supposedly working compressor.

But, the HVAC contractor bears most of it.
He should have left the low voltage disabled, or gave the electrician instructions not to hook up the low voltage.(if it was the electrician that hooked it up.)

[praha99]

Originally posted by Black Adder
Not the techs fault, homeowner and electrician have no business turning on the A/C unit for the first time. So the guy went fishing, are we not allowed to have any down time? As far as calling late on Thursday and not getting a call back, I am not surprised, if I am going away on Friday there is no way I am taking any calls late on Thursday. I am sick of people phoning and expecting me to jump at the call, I have a life as well and would like to enjoy it when I can. Yes your problems are important to me but the bottom line is my family and sanity are more important. I don't know too many people who on there death beds would say "boy I wish I spent more time working". Bottom line is you had no business turning the system on, it was not operational when the tech finished the install and he had no way of knowing that you would fire it up. I think he is doing you a big favor if he is willing to change the compressor free of charge, as far as offering to split the added cost with him, that is very big of you considering you did the damage in the first place.

AGREE 100%!

[ginneeeeee]

All the posts here are very valid. After reading them all I see how stupid it was on my part to turn on the AC after the electrician left. It didn't work then, so why did I think it work later on. I take responsibility for the death of a brand new compressor. I have appologized to my HVAC contractor for all the trouble I caused and to my surprise the HVAC contractor also appologized to me for leaving the jobsite early and not talking to the electrician to give him the details. He said he normally does leave the system valves closed to test pressure but he also makes sure he leaves it in a state that it could not be started. This was an unusal situation because he was not here when the electrican was here and it slipped his mind to call him. So he felt badly about that and he is not charging me for the labor to replace the compressor. This was just a series of events that went wrong. Thank goodness that no one was injured or hurt, things can get fixed and replaced, people can't.

[RoBoTeq]

This is good. Everyone was somewhat wrong and everyone has taken some responsibility and the everything is going to be made right again. Glad to see this worked out.

Everyone reading this thread should have learned something. The only entity that was completely not at fault is the only entity that is going to have to actually take a monetary hit on providing a new compressor. Remember this when you complain about the rising costs of HVAC equipment.

[Milk man]

Questions that would nice to be answered.

Who installed the low voltage?

Was the lineset evacutated?

Personally I would of pulled the low voltage connection. If the electrician was wiring in the low voltage I would have left a note in the control box.

If I could evacuate the lineset I would have opened the valves.

I think the long and short of everything is the contractor is the professional. That would weigh heavily against him in court. The pro should know better than telling the HO not to turn on the system.

[Milk man]

One late evening I was setting up a walkin in cooler. A used POS that the cheap bastards bought. I had power on to the outside unit to keep the CCH energized. I told the jerk not to turn on the cooler because I wasn't ready yet. It was late, I was tired, and basicly fed up with this Bozo.

The next morning the cooler is going. I asked whats the deal and he tells me he wanted it on. I tried to explain why I didn't want it on and he said I was talking Jiberish. I just told him he might have F---ed himself and ask if I still sounded like Jiberish.

[md master]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
If the system was not operational when the tech left the job there was no reason for anyone to take the responsibility of turning it on and running it.



AMEN Robo!

[ginneeeeee]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
[
The only entity that was completely not at fault is the only entity that is going to have to actually take a monetary hit on providing a new compressor. Remember this when you complain about the rising costs of HVAC equipment. [/B]

Sorry I didn't mention that I ordered the compressor on line - it cost me over $700.00 - When I take responsibility I mean it. No rising costs of things from my stupidity.

[RoBoTeq]

Boy is this thread about to take another turn :D

[Mr Bill]

Originally posted by ginneeeeee

Sorry I didn't mention that I ordered the compressor on line - it cost me over $700.00 - When I take responsibility I mean it. No rising costs of things from my stupidity.

Can you send me the old "new" compressor so I can warranty it and will have me a brand new compressor with a 5-year warranty?
I will pay for the freight. :D

[dirtyboy103us]

have the contractor get it and cancel the one you ordered
it will still carry the original warranty

slip him half for time and new dryers and all is good

but this is way to generis in my honest opinion

i think its his fault

[Edited by dirtyboy103us on 06-19-2006 at 07:08 PM]

[Milk man]

Originally posted by ginneeeeee

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
[
The only entity that was completely not at fault is the only entity that is going to have to actually take a monetary hit on providing a new compressor. Remember this when you complain about the rising costs of HVAC equipment.

Sorry I didn't mention that I ordered the compressor on line - it cost me over $700.00 - When I take responsibility I mean it. No rising costs of things from my stupidity. [/B]

You mean you just bought the replacement over the net?

[trane]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
Boy is this thread about to take another turn :D

Now this makes more sense. This was the installing contractor you say? :)

[RoBoTeq]

Ah haaa! Hubby was the installing contractor and hubby went fishing over the weekend while brother Bob dropped by over the weekend to wire the system up. Now it makes sense :D

[jprince]

Is anyone seeing the big picture here. She "bought" a new compressor over the net??? How did that happen?? Talk about a freight charge!! What happened to the warranty?Where is the installer and why isn't he dealing with the factory about a new compressor. I have let the smoke out of some things back in my newbie days, and never had a problem replacing them, even with it being my own dumb mistakes. I think something is out of whack here.The whole thing sounds kinda strange in my opinion.

[the dangling wrangler]

j prince , look at the date of the original post. A little late to reply , aren't we?

[Mr Bill]

Man, it really must be nice to have the time to go back a few months in time and resurrect these old posts, but maybe he has been goggling the answer and just came up with one. :D

[re2ell]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
Boy is this thread about to take another turn :D

very late reading this one, but my goodness, the humour hasn't aged one iota!

[jeffp]

Better late than never.... but the last post wasn't that long ago and I couldn't help but give my 2 cents. Why are you posting to an old thread then?

[the dangling wrangler]

Better late than never.... but the last post wasn't that long ago and I couldn't help but give my 2 cents. Why are you posting to an old thread then?

Well, it's like a car wreck. You know you really don't
want to look, but you just can't help it, also it came
through the e-mail.

[jeffp]

Good enough for me.... I am now putting down the stick and stepping away from the horse. It was worth a laugh though!!

[Milk man]

Hey OP What was the finial disposition of this problem?????