war on drugs

[stonefly]

http://www.leap.cc/watch-a-video/

[cehs]

When PEOPLE consider drugs to be WRONG or EVIL, then the abuse will stop....

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[Gib's Son]

HTALK is a drug.

[stonefly]

When PEOPLE consider drugs to be WRONG or EVIL, then the abuse will stop....

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i just want to go back to fishing in mexico,what will stop the killing?

[k-fridge]

Drugs are a social problem, not a legal one.

That's not to say we don't need laws concerning drugs, but that alone will not solve the problem.

[Brian GC]

The number one reason for the 'war on drugs' is to create an industry.

I watched a show involving dozens of swat type officers and helicopters rooting out pot growers in the CA Mountains. What a waste of precious tax dollars.

[corny]

Government...ours... needs to go down to south america and eradicate the crops.

I know we have the technology to find the stuff....and we also have the means to destroy it.

[Brian GC]

Government...ours... needs to go down to south america and eradicate the crops.

I know we have the technology to find the stuff....and we also have the means to destroy it.

My cousin who is a retired F-15 pilot once said “we have the Blackhawks down there already. We know where the crops are and it could be eradicated in two nights of spraying”. The question is why don’t we?

Could be:
It will destabilize their economy?
It will be too effective on our supposed ‘war on drugs’?
Our government is really in bed with them?
We also make money on that trade?
US Gov officials might be targeted?
The cartels might declare “war on us”?

Take your pick.

[Gib's Son]

i just want to go back to fishing in mexico,what will stop the killing?

Yeah, I miss my trips to San Jose Del Cabo and the El-Presdente Hotel/ Resort.

[netsalt]

Admittedly Mexico has got it bad but they don't grow poppies and heroin is the fastest growing problem as far as drugs go. Guess who grows most of the worlds poppies - Afghanistan. We are already at war with these people and can't seem to do anything about it. So I doubt there is much will to fix it for whatever reason.

[the dangling wrangler]

Admittedly Mexico has got it bad but they don't grow poppies and heroin is the fastest growing problem as far as drugs go. Guess who grows most of the worlds poppies - Afghanistan. We are already at war with these people and can't seem to do anything about it. So I doubt there is much will to fix it for whatever reason.

Where does Mexican Black Tar come from?
I've always thought it was from Latin America somewhere.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Tar_Heroin

[BACnet]

I'm torn on the drug issue. On the one hand I have seen the damage some of these drugs can do. I'm heading out of town to attend a wedding this weekend and one of the groom's best childhood friends has been asked not to attend.

This particular guy has battled an addiction with a "hard drug" (by that I mean not alcohol, nicotine or THC) and he fell off the wagon 2 weeks ago. When he's on the drugs he's a useless slug of a human being who is sneaky, underhanded, selfish and untrustworthy. It's frankly a simple decision to cut someone like that out of your life/wedding, etc.

So I don't have my head stuck in the sand, I realize that drugs can have terrible consequences. But on the other hand I am completely unable to find so much as a sentence in the constitution that says that the government can tell any one of us what we can and can't ingest.

Remember the prohibition on alcohol? It required an amendment to the constitution because the constitution does not state that the government can tell us what we can and can't do to ourselves. And when prohibition was lifted the amendment was scrapped.

Where is the amendment that says the government can make it illegal to ingest drugs?

So while I know that some poor suckers will suffer from addictions when the illegal "war on drugs" is ended- part of me wants to say "so what?" The people who are going to get hooked on drugs are already hooked on drugs. The illegal war of drugs sure hasn't stopped them...

[zw17]

You know the war on drugs is a complete failure when you can (and we all can) make less than five phone calls and purchase an illegal drug.

A COMPLETE FAILURE other than taking away freedoms and creating a billion dollar industry based off of fear and law.

You are NEVER going to stop a drug addict.

[stonefly]

My cousin who is a retired F-15 pilot once said “we have the Blackhawks down there already. We know where the crops are and it could be eradicated in two nights of spraying”. The question is why don’t we?

Could be:
It will destabilize their economy?
It will be too effective on our supposed ‘war on drugs’?
Our government is really in bed with them?
We also make money on that trade?
US Gov officials might be targeted?
The cartels might declare “war on us”?

Take your pick.

pot potency as far as being saleable is entirely dependent on female plants not being exposed to male pollen. that's why hemp which is the same plant grows wild by the thousands of acres across the mid west yet no one smokes it. seems like 4 or 5 crop dusters full of pollen harvested in kansas could have taken a big chunk out of the billion dollar + a year budget for marijuana eradication. am i to believe in the 40+ years of fighting president nixons war on drugs no one has thought of this?

[stonefly]

Drugs are a social problem, not a legal one.

That's not to say we don't need laws concerning drugs, but that alone will not solve the problem.

drug addiction and use is a social problem, the war on drugs is a related but different issue. one point made by one of the speakers is that our rate of drug addiction has remained constant since the first drug laws were put on the books. i logically extrapolate that to mean since the beginning of time since drugs have always been with us. our rate of violent crime over drugs worldwide has however exploded with great riches available to poverty striken cultures foreign and domestic if only they are willing to kill for it.

[stonefly]

I'm torn on the drug issue. On the one hand I have seen the damage some of these drugs can do. I'm heading out of town to attend a wedding this weekend and one of the groom's best childhood friends has been asked not to attend.

This particular guy has battled an addiction with a "hard drug" (by that I mean not alcohol, nicotine or THC) and he fell off the wagon 2 weeks ago. When he's on the drugs he's a useless slug of a human being who is sneaky, underhanded, selfish and untrustworthy. It's frankly a simple decision to cut someone like that out of your life/wedding, etc.

So I don't have my head stuck in the sand, I realize that drugs can have terrible consequences. But on the other hand I am completely unable to find so much as a sentence in the constitution that says that the government can tell any one of us what we can and can't ingest.

Remember the prohibition on alcohol? It required an amendment to the constitution because the constitution does not state that the government can tell us what we can and can't do to ourselves. And when prohibition was lifted the amendment was scrapped.

Where is the amendment that says the government can make it illegal to ingest drugs?

So while I know that some poor suckers will suffer from addictions when the illegal "war on drugs" is ended- part of me wants to say "so what?" The people who are going to get hooked on drugs are already hooked on drugs. The illegal war of drugs sure hasn't stopped them...

why would they wait till the war on drugs has ended? it's more readily available now than ever before.

[stonefly]

You know the war on drugs is a complete failure when you can (and we all can) make less than five phone calls and purchase an illegal drug.

A COMPLETE FAILURE other than taking away freedoms and creating a billion dollar industry based off of fear and law.

You are NEVER going to stop a drug addict.

again, according to one of the speakers the most difficult addiction to shake has been reduced by 50% in the last 10 years and without any war.




















cigarette smoking.

[netsalt]

Where does Mexican Black Tar come from?
I've always thought it was from Latin America somewhere.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Tar_Heroin

You're right, I just checked and apparently poppies are competing with pot for the top grow in Mexico, but I rarely keep up on things south of me - no need to worry about anything below the MD line :grin2: The fact remains that irradication has been tried before and has never been successful.

[Joe Harper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

[the dangling wrangler]

You're right, I just checked and apparently poppies are competing with pot for the top grow in Mexico, but I rarely keep up on things south of me - no need to worry about anything below the MD line :grin2: The fact remains that irradication has been tried before and has never been successful.

Drug addiction, in reality, is an illness. I don't think eradication will ever produce the desired result. I don't claim to have an answer to this. Just wish it was over.
I'm pretty close to being on the front line in this war on drugs. It's a dirty, deadly,ruthless business, that's on it's way to a neighborhood near you soon.

[royc]

This wouldnt have happend if we Americans would educate ourselfs, and stopped putting those beasts in power....

Roy




I reminded good Americans that it isn’t the enemies’ fault for sneaking into the White House and abusing power, but rather we the people for allowing them to take corruption to a horrible new level.

Ted Nugent

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/19/st-louis-nra-party-rocked/?page=all#pagebreak

[Gib's Son]

pot potency as far as being saleable is entirely dependent on female plants not being exposed to male pollen. that's why hemp which is the same plant grows wild by the thousands of acres across the mid west yet no one smokes it.


Sounds like stonefly knows allot about Mary-Jane. Me thinks he might be a stoner too.:eek2::LOL::D

[BACnet]

A "fishy" solution:

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/national_world&id=8629294

[coolwhip]

Atta boy Roy!:cheers:

[tunnel_rat]

Maybe war on big shietty gov't would work better and save more money.

[stonefly]

Sounds like stonefly knows allot about Mary-Jane. Me thinks he might be a stoner too.:eek2::LOL::D

i'm old enough to have been many things including a college student on a law enforcement track. nothing has compared to this thing we do though and there would be no room for being a stoner and hvac both would there? lately i find myself leaning towards being a grumpy old crank concerned with the state of my country. there seems to be room for that and hvac though. :grin2:

[Gib's Son]

i'm old enough to have been many things including a college student on a law enforcement track. nothing has compared to this thing we do though and there would be no room for being a stoner and hvac both would there? lately i find myself leaning towards being a grumpy old crank concerned with the state of my country. there seems to be room for that and hvac though. :grin2:

You know I was just toying with ya.:cheers:

[stonefly]

i know

[glennac]

Sounds like stonefly knows allot about Mary-Jane. Me thinks he might be a stoner too.:eek2::LOL::D

Yeah funny however not stonefly but I believe their are a few on here who have never gone more than a few days without hitting the joint or the pipe. No names of course.:bump::grin2: Thank you, thank you very much

[thermojohn]

Speaking of the War on Drugs....

I'm at war with one as well. Someone I care about is hooked (very hooked) on anti-anxiety meds. Started out as 'take only as needed' and has turned into 'take only when needed'.... Which is all the time.

At any given moment I don't know if I'm talking to my friend, or if I'm talking to an addict. It's easy to tell who by the slurred speech, and the lies that come out of his mouth. He's on his game when not under the influence, and out in left field when he is.

Interestingly enough, he can go to the doctor, and he'll prescribe him as much as he wants. A little research on the subject of anxiety and meds shows that meds are not the solution, but only should used to fill in the blanks with a therapy program. I think the doc could care less if there is any therapy at all. Doc needs to keep his patients hooked to help with the mortgage and Porsche payment.

So the bottom line is another legal drug - money. The 'war on drugs' and the blind eye to legal drugs all goes to feed another addiction - The love of money.

So is the answer government control? I don't think so, although we have to have laws to maintain order. If people were born with common sense to not put crap in their body to destroy it and ruin their life, things would be different. Unfortunately, some are just born to use, and be addicted to something. Food, drugs, cigs, alcohol, you name it. That's most all of us if you think of it.

I don't really know the answer. Just had to rant. Maybe I get torqued at folks who have tunnel vision on just the 'bad' drugs but yet turn a blind eye to, and enable someone in their own family who is hooked on pills or booze.

[AiResearch]

Speaking of the War on Drugs....

I'm at war with one as well. Someone I care about is hooked (very hooked) on anti-anxiety meds. Started out as 'take only as needed' and has turned into 'take only when needed'.... Which is all the time.

At any given moment I don't know if I'm talking to my friend, or if I'm talking to an addict. It's easy to tell who by the slurred speech, and the lies that come out of his mouth. He's on his game when not under the influence, and out in left field when he is.

Interestingly enough, he can go to the doctor, and he'll prescribe him as much as he wants. A little research on the subject of anxiety and meds shows that meds are not the solution, but only should used to fill in the blanks with a therapy program. I think the doc could care less if there is any therapy at all. Doc needs to keep his patients hooked to help with the mortgage and Porsche payment.

So the bottom line is another legal drug - money. The 'war on drugs' and the blind eye to legal drugs all goes to feed another addiction - The love of money.

So is the answer government control? I don't think so, although we have to have laws to maintain order. If people were born with common sense to not put crap in their body to destroy it and ruin their life, things would be different. Unfortunately, some are just born to use, and be addicted to something. Food, drugs, cigs, alcohol, you name it. That's most all of us if you think of it.

I don't really know the answer. Just had to rant. Maybe I get torqued at folks who have tunnel vision on just the 'bad' drugs but yet turn a blind eye to, and enable someone in their own family who is hooked on pills or booze.

Very good point and very true.

[stonefly]

Speaking of the War on Drugs....

I'm at war with one as well. Someone I care about is hooked (very hooked) on anti-anxiety meds. Started out as 'take only as needed' and has turned into 'take only when needed'.... Which is all the time.

At any given moment I don't know if I'm talking to my friend, or if I'm talking to an addict. It's easy to tell who by the slurred speech, and the lies that come out of his mouth. He's on his game when not under the influence, and out in left field when he is.

Interestingly enough, he can go to the doctor, and he'll prescribe him as much as he wants. A little research on the subject of anxiety and meds shows that meds are not the solution, but only should used to fill in the blanks with a therapy program. I think the doc could care less if there is any therapy at all. Doc needs to keep his patients hooked to help with the mortgage and Porsche payment.

So the bottom line is another legal drug - money. The 'war on drugs' and the blind eye to legal drugs all goes to feed another addiction - The love of money. "

So is the answer government control? I don't think so, although we have to have laws to maintain order. If people were born with common sense to not put crap in their body to destroy it and ruin their life, things would be different. Unfortunately, some are just born to use, and be addicted to something. Food, drugs, cigs, alcohol, you name it. That's most all of us if you think of it.

I don't really know the answer. Just had to rant. Maybe I get torqued at folks who have tunnel vision on just the 'bad' drugs but yet turn a blind eye to, and enable someone in their own family who is hooked on pills or booze.

addiction and the damage done, it's a whole bunch of different monsters. if it's a stranger we like to know so we can steer clear or know to factor it in (like a boss that drinks). shaking it can only come from within. if it's someone close we want to help if we can but most times we just end up trying even when we can't. i'm sorry john, all i can say is take care of yourself as job # 1.

[easyrider]

"Prohibition... goes beyond the bound of reason in that it attempts to
control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that
are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon
which our government was founded" -Abraham Lincoln

[barbar]

I know I am going to get shot don for this.
I think there should be complete legalization of these drugs (similar controls as Tobacco and Booze)
Much of the crime associated is related to the supply not the use (meth, I know is slightly different) Remove the supply constraints, remove some of the crime associated. Tax similar to Booze. Use the money on education.
Set up legit supply chains with the countries who grow the product.
Set up drug quality, as like most substances we ingest.
Demand for some form of mind changing substance has always been around,and will always be around, if it is Booze, THC or what ever.

[printer2]

I would rather have people with addiction problems stoned on weed rather than meth. A person shakes his problems when they are ready to do it. I would rather that they have a less harmful drug available that the criminal element does not control.