CONFIRMED. Obama is a racist. Hates white people.

[Gib's Son]

Breitbart is releasing one of the tapes of Obama in his college years. Yep, I want to see it.:yes: Then we can discuss it tomorrow.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/07/buzzefeed-selectively-edits-obama-tape


Earlier today, Buzzfeed’s Ben Smith announced on Twitter that video researcher Andrew Kaczynski had released “the mysterious Harvard/Obama/race video that the Breitbart folks have been talking about.”

The video, which Kaczynski says was “licensed from a Boston television station,” shows a young Barack Obama leading a protest at Harvard Law School on behalf of Prof. Derrick Bell, a radical academic tied to Jeremiah Wright--about whom we will be releasing significant information in the coming hours.

However, the video has been selectively edited--either by the Boston television station or by Buzzfeed itself. Over the course of the day, Breitbart.com will be releasing additional footage that has been hidden by Obama's allies in the mainstream media and academia.

[Tool-Slinger]

Credit to the late Andrew Breitbart.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/07/buzzefeed-selectively-edits-obama-tape

I don't know how this guy ever got elected to begin with. Heck, his own mother was white. Sure, she was running around with some foreign black dude but she was still a white woman. I think his grandparents ended up raising him, they were also white. I don't know, maybe they did not get on so well. But his black dad was gone, so why hate white people? It makes no sense.

He made some national issue out of a police incident involving a black guy. None of his business as president. That is pretty telling in itself.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/30/obamas-beer-summit-begins/#.T1giMfW2aI8

Obama was a longtime member of the black superiority church of Reverend Wright, we all knew that already. Obama quit it after it became a political issue.

I have not got the video yet, but he is quoted as saying, “Open up your hearts and your minds to the words of Professor Derrick Bell.” So then later: This is a man so extreme that, as we’ve reported, he wrote a story in 1993 in which he posited that white Americans would sell black Americans into slavery to aliens to relieve the national debt, and that Jews would go along with it.

Obama is a failure as a president. But far beyond that he is a racist who hates white people and jews. I cannot tolerate a racist president of the USA, we have folks from any race or cultural influence here.

I am personally infuriated beyond reconcile.

[that was the pc way to put it ga]

[coilcleaner]

There have been many slave owning Presidents what are you talking about when you say You can't stand racist presidents?

[Tool-Slinger]

There have been many slave owning Presidents what are you talking about when you say You can't stand racist presidents?
You need to pull your head out of your realities of 150 years ago.

Neither do I have any patience for foolish liberal 'talking points'.

The year of our Lord is 2012. Obama is a racist.

[coilcleaner]

You are refusing to see the reality of your statement. It's easy to call Obama a racist because you have never been a victim of racism. Time is not justification to spread your hatred.

[Tool-Slinger]

You are refusing to see the reality of your statement. It's easy to call Obama a racist because you have never been a victim of racism. Time is not justification to spread your hatred.
I am a victim of racism. By Obama. Uh,... did you not read the original post dude?

And by what possible justification can you POSSIBLY tell me I have never been a victim of racism?? That is an insane assertion. I am a presumed race, any are subject to racism. DOH!

[coilcleaner]

Just because you don't get it your way does not mean you are a victim of racism. WAKE UP whites have had a good long run a few little bumps ain't gonna hurt you.

[Tool-Slinger]

Just because you don't get it your way does not mean you are a victim of racism. WAKE UP whites have had a good long run a few little bumps ain't gonna hurt you.
That is arguably one of the most silly assertions I have ever read on this forum.

Just because you don't get it your way does not mean you are a victim of racism.


I have no point associated with 'trying to get my way'. That has nothing to do with anything on this thread. I am not talking about a 'bump' either. Our president is a racist. That is serious stuff. It is not a 'bump', our sitting president hates white people and jews. This is a serious problem.

[coilcleaner]

Good luck with that. I give.

[Tool-Slinger]

I give.

Wise choice.

[coilcleaner]

You might want to give too for your own sanity, on the other hand I don't care.

[Tool-Slinger]

You might want to give too for your own sanity, on the other hand I don't care.
You have no coherent or sustainable objections to my original post. Multiple attempts, multiple failures. I am a tad insulted that you tried to play the 'race card' on me in light of the content. I am not here to be walked on because of my race.

[glennac]

Funny tool, coil doesn't understand that Whites have been the victims of racism for 47 years now ever since LBJ legalized Affirmative Action and mandated it with Executive Order 11246 in 1965.

It is now "law" in all the states and Federal government for all jobs, including all companies who do business with the governments. It has been embellished with "Diversity" regulations also.

Try to get a job, get promoted, be laid off, get admitted to college, get a scholarship, etc. without out it adversely affecting you if you are White. And if you are a favored "minority you get the gravy train. Don't have to say anymore. Their is no end in site for this either and If you object to loudly against AA you are called a racist.

This sucks and we are still have in put up with this BS. Bush said he was going to sign an executive order outlawing it but he backed off with all the screaming from the leftest Dems, the press and the NAACP.

Funny and coil talks about "hatred" who hates who here. We are the ones who are been hated by the supporters of AA. Thank you, thank you very much

[Gib's Son]

Merged threads.....same subject.

[coolwhip]

As if we needed this confirmed.

[Gib's Son]

Some are blinder than others.

[coolwhip]

Some are blinder than others.

No doubt!

[Rob_in_WV]

If you want an example of racism and double standard directed toward a white person, consider this: It's ok for a group of Black people to run around calling each other n*gg*r this and n*gg*r, but if a white person says that word it's the worst thing ever. The young Black Americans of today for the most part Don't know racism except what they have justified amongst themselves and it's usually aimed at white people not coming from. While I'm on my soap box let me tell you this: the blacks are always talking about getting screwed, yes slavery was very bad and something we should never look at with pride, but they always talk about getting screwed, let me tell you WHO GOT SCREWED! The Native Americans, that's who. Had they NOT intervened and helped them learn to provide food the White man would have all died the first year they were here. To repay this they were butchered and lands taken.

[coolwhip]

Lets us not forget that blacks were were enslaving other blacks in their own country before they ever came to this country.
When they were sold into slavery and brought to America, they were hunted and captured by indigenous blacks and sold.

Perhaps this should be taught in school history books.

To put is simply, blacks were captured and sold into slavery by their own people...maybe another tribe, but still their own indigenous peoples.

Dont believe me?...do the research your self.

Also, there were over a million European Christians enslaved by Muslims in N. Africa between 1530 and 1780...where is their oppression compensation? From 1500 to 1650, when trans-Atlantic slaving was still in its infancy, more white Christian slaves were probably taken to Barbary than black African slaves to the Americas, according to recent studies.

So, if you are Black, please study your history before spouting your ignorance in the future. While brushing up on your history, you may want to take note of the fact that many White people had distant relatives that were also slaves.

Also, let us not forget the countless millions of people enslaved by the Roman Empire in Italy, Sicily, and throughout Western Europe.

[Tool-Slinger]

As if we needed this confirmed.
I know many of us could kinda put 2+2 together when we learned Obama was a regular member of the Black Supremacy church, others will require more evidence....

Except the coil-cleaner, according to him a black man cannot be a racist,.. go figure???

[Rob_in_WV]

Lets us not forget that blacks were were enslaving other blacks in their own country before they ever came to this country.
When they were sold into slavery and brought to America, they were hunted and captured by indigenous blacks and sold.

Perhaps this should be taught in school history books.

To put is simply, blacks were captured and sold into slavery by their own people...maybe another tribe, but still their own indigenous peoples.

Dont believe me?...do the research your self.

Also, there were over a million European Christians enslaved by Muslims in N. Africa between 1530 and 1780...where is their oppression compensation? From 1500 to 1650, when trans-Atlantic slaving was still in its infancy, more white Christian slaves were probably taken to Barbary than black African slaves to the Americas, according to recent studies.

So, if you are Black, please study your history before spouting your ignorance in the future. While brushing up on your history, you may want to take note of the fact that many White people had distant relatives that were also slaves.

Also, let us not forget the countless millions of people enslaved by the Roman Empire in Italy, Sicily, and throughout Western Europe.

Two points that I for what ever reason omitted from my post, but I thought of them while typing it and didn't add it. Also had these same slaves not been sent to America they would have had a higher chance of dying from drought, famine, sickness or war. Now I'm not saying slavery was ok by any means, but simply suggesting that had they not been sent here then many Black American's wouldn't be here today because their ancestors would have died without bearing offspring generations ago.:.02:

[netsalt]

When is the NEW tape coming out. The stuff he had on the show has been all over the place for years. Is this really the best he's got? I guess the Bill Ayers stich was gettin stale. Everyone take their pill.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/feeling-racist-blood-pressure-pill-propranolol-may-open-223450211.html

[coilcleaner]

I know many of us could kinda put 2+2 together when we learned Obama was a regular member of the Black Supremacy church, others will require more evidence....

Except the coil-cleaner, according to him a black man cannot be a racist,.. go figure???

Trust me tool slinger I do not have to depend on the media for my reality. I know what the reality is in this country, you haven't a clue.
The Indians although some were victimized also prayed on each other with merciless violence. Most wars have a loser and a winner some wars never end.
Hitler was a racist.

[coilcleaner]

Two points that I for what ever reason omitted from my post, but I thought of them while typing it and didn't add it. Also had these same slaves not been sent to America they would have had a higher chance of dying from drought, famine, sickness or war. Now I'm not saying slavery was ok by any means, but simply suggesting that had they not been sent here then many Black American's wouldn't be here today because their ancestors would have died without bearing offspring generations ago.:.02:

I guess dying on a boat in the middle of the Atlantic from some hideous painfull disease while chained to a cage beats dying trying to survive.
And that argument about being sold by their own people is a justification for what really went down. We were not there and that would not really be our business. You people crack me up with this stuff.

[scrogdog]

And that argument about being sold by their own people is a justification for what really went down.

Actually, no. It is historical fact. Nothing justifies what happened after they came to America and I agree that any attempts to justify it in any way is simply wrong.

Nonetheless, facts are facts.

I suppose that one could say that the evil of the white man was enabled by the evil of the black man. :)

[coilcleaner]

Better yet there is no color barrier when it comes to evil.

[scrogdog]

Exactly.

Scientifically speaking, there is only once race of humans currently upon the planet Earth.

I believe that we quite aptly call them "The Human Race".

:cheers:

[coilcleaner]

Hey Bush was racist against trailer park trash.

[scrogdog]

Hey Bush was racist against trailer park trash.

I suppose that *I'M* a racist. And I don't want to be!

By that, I mean... I shouldn't have to purposefully put more effort in to being non-offensive in front of some people than I would in front of others. I wrestle with this concept, actually.

Perfect example... one night I'm coming out of a store and a very nice black guy held the door for my lily white butt... I said "thanks" and he goes "sure boss". Big smile on his face.

Talk about uncomfortable moments. I just smiled and hurried away.

Had a white guy said that, I probably wouldn't even talk about it or think that it was weird. Just some guy being nice and saying something that is the equivalent of calling me "dude" or even "sir". It's all about context.

Maybe the next generation's social evolution is just that. That they won't have such mental barriers, whether their source be good or bad. :)

[Tool-Slinger]

Trust me tool slinger I do not have to depend on the media for my reality. I know what the reality is in this country, you haven't a clue.
The Indians although some were victimized also prayed on each other with merciless violence. Most wars have a loser and a winner some wars never end.
Hitler was a racist.
I understand Hitler was a racist. Some white americans are racist, same for mexican americans and african americans and arab americans and so on and so forth.

I am not arguing there is no racism, I know there is for a fact. On all sides. I am not sure what I can do about it, but that has nothing to do with this thread.

The problem is that we have a sitting black president who is racist against whites and jews. That is a serious problem.

[glennac]

Exactly.

Scientifically speaking, there is only once race of humans currently upon the planet Earth.

I believe that we quite aptly call them "The Human Race".

:cheers:

Unfortunately the federal government doesn't see it that way. They look at your color, ethnic origin, race and heritage and discriminate accordingly.

Have been doing so for 47 years and it won't stop especially with liberal Whites supporting AA and diversity by voting for the socialist, Marxist Democrats disguised as Americans with a caring heart of the liberal persuasion and of course the RINOs too.

They won't stop until our culture, heritage, pride and independence are destroyed and never to return. :patriot: Thank you very much

[coilcleaner]

I understand Hitler was a racist. Some white americans are racist, same for mexican americans and african americans and arab americans and so on and so forth.

I am not arguing there is no racism, I know there is for a fact. On all sides. I am not sure what I can do about it, but that has nothing to do with this thread.

The problem is that we have a sitting black president who is racist against whites and jews. That is a serious problem.

Well I just think its crap. I don't buy it. That is my choice nothing personnal.

[dudeabides]

What's the time frame of this video?? It looks pretty old to me. I think he graduated Harvard Law School 1991 when he was 30. 20 years ago. A lot can happen in 20 years. I know one's opinions and outlooks on life can change a lot in 20 years. We've all said and done a lot of stupid things when we were younger. Who's to say Bell didn't go off the deep end until after Obama met him? Was he a active member of the Black Liberation Church or did he just forget to "quit" only to be called out on it later? I don't know any of the answers to these questions, but I just find it hard to believe that he's a racist. I'll tell you one thing though, I'm not really picking up a "racial harmony" vibe from this thread.

[Tool-Slinger]

What's the time frame of this video?? It looks pretty old to me. I think he graduated Harvard Law School 1991 when he was 30. 20 years ago. A lot can happen in 20 years. I know one's opinions and outlooks on life can change a lot in 20 years. We've all said and done a lot of stupid things when we were younger. Who's to say Bell didn't go off the deep end until after Obama met him? Was he a active member of the Black Liberation Church or did he just forget to "quit" only to be called out on it later? I don't know any of the answers to these questions, but I just find it hard to believe that he's a racist. I'll tell you one thing though, I'm not really picking up a "racial harmony" vibe from this thread.
One thing for sure, you speak the truth about racial harmony on this thread. Most of us working stiffs have more in common with our economic and occupational similarities than we have differences over race. We all pretty much feed at the same trough.

But this is "THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" we are talking about. This is a very grave matter.

As for timing, looks like obama had Bell invited to the Whitehouse twice in 2010 and was requiring Bell's material in his classroom in '94. And Bell's racist BS seems to date back into the early 70's, so there does not seem to be much room for excuses. Obama just cannot have that much close connection with known racists and claim not to be racist himself. It just shows, I am reminded of the 'beer intervention' incident also.

The info deserves more study:

http://www.breitbart.com/

As far as I can see, it all looks pretty damming. As we all know the saying scog recently reminded us "if it walks like a duck...quacks like a duck..."

I think the whole thing is fairly depressing, but there it is.

[dudeabides]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_More_Perfect_Union_(speech)

[dudeabides]

Listen to that speech on youtube. He doesn't sound like a racist to me. Just my opinion.

[Tool-Slinger]

Listen to that speech on youtube. He doesn't sound like a racist to me. Just my opinion.
Heck no, he is not going to sound like a racist. He is a professional speech-giver. He is way too smart to be openly racist. It is only to be exposed through his associations and loyalties and questionable actions.

Nobody will ever get obama saying, "I hate whites and jews". But he must, he subscribes to those opinions.

In an analogy: Suppose I say I am not interested in porn, but then you discover I have a subscription to Penthouse Magazine,.. you will probably be justified figuring I am full of doo-doo.

[dudeabides]

You already have you're opinion and it's not going to change. Did you even take the time to look through that link or listen to that speech? Maybe you'd realize there's two sides to every issue... not just the one Breitbart puts in front of you.

[scrogdog]

You already have you're opinion and it's not going to change. Did you even take the time to look through that link or listen to that speech? Maybe you'd realize there's two sides to every issue... not just the one Breitbart puts in front of you.

I don't think Obama is overtly racist, but I DO think he's overtly socialist.

Which, of course, is damn near as bad. :cool:

[Tool-Slinger]

You already have you're opinion and it's not going to change. Did you even take the time to look through that link or listen to that speech? Maybe you'd realize there's two sides to every issue... not just the one Breitbart puts in front of you.
You cannot judge the man by only a speech, this is the same dude who speeched he was going to rid the world of nuclear weapons. Among other things, Obama is a liar. And I mean he is a really big liar, I can give you proof if you need it.

[RoBoTeq]

You are refusing to see the reality of your statement. It's easy to call Obama a racist because you have never been a victim of racism. Time is not justification to spread your hatred.
What in the world makes you think you have any right telling someone they have never been a victim of racism?

I grew up in the inner city of Baltimore and worked in Baltimore City and Washington D.C., both or which are majority Black Americans. As a White guy, I have been the victim of more racism from Blacks then I care to think about. I have been attacked and beat down for being White and I have been refused service in a diner in a Black neighborhood in Baltimore, so don't go telling people they don't understand racism because they are not Black. Racism is the same no matter who is being the racist.

[scrogdog]

And I mean he is a really big liar, I can give you proof if you need it.

Silly boy.

What I need proof of is a politician who is NOT a liar.

[Tool-Slinger]

Silly boy.

What I need proof of is a politician who is NOT a liar.
Okay, but Obama is much worse than the usual liar politician.

[scrogdog]

Okay, but Obama is much worse than the usual liar politician.

I have to admit this post caused me to chuckle... along with a near-miss with soda on the keyboard. :)

Do you teach a class in "degrees of lying"? lol

Sorry, just struck me funny. :grin2:

[Tool-Slinger]

I have to admit this post caused me to chuckle... along with a near-miss with soda on the keyboard. :)

Do you teach a class in "degrees of lying"? lol

Sorry, just struck me funny. :grin2:
Sure. I have invented the "LYING MEASURING STICK" Patent Pending. I am actually past the development stage, I just need to find my ex and whack her over the head with it to verify that works. That is called the 'testing stage' or 'felon', it depends upon which state you live in. These are technical inventor terms.

[Rob_in_WV]

How is this for an example of Black toward white discrimination/racism? I worked at a school once and some blacks were using the Ni**er word and all was well until a while girl looked at a black guy who was telling a joke and said OMG will you listen to this N*gga? His exact words were,"She can't say that! She's WHITE!" Sure sounds racist to me.:whistle:

[newoldtech]

How is this for an example of Black toward white discrimination/racism? I worked at a school once and some blacks were using the Ni**er word and all was well until a while girl looked at a black guy who was telling a joke and said OMG will you listen to this N*gga? His exact words were,"She can't say that! She's WHITE!" Sure sounds racist to me.:whistle:

Not racist. Just logical to me.

Its like if a polish guy tells a polish joke to another polish guy. He probably wont be offended by one of his own telling it. But if a non polish guy tells it then it might offend him. If they're all really good friends then it might be different.

[dudeabides]

You cannot judge the man by only a speech, this is the same dude who speeched he was going to rid the world of nuclear weapons. Among other things, Obama is a liar. And I mean he is a really big liar, I can give you proof if you need it.

He did? Funny how you would take one speech literally and not the other. Bush was a liar too. They're all liars. You know who's a racist and has done more harm to his race than Obama is the "reverend" Al Sharpton. Hopefully we can agree on that.

[dudeabides]

Not racist. Just logical to me.

Its like if a polish guy tells a polish joke to another polish guy. He probably wont be offended by one of his own telling it. But if a non polish guy tells it then it might offend him. If they're all really good friends then it might be different.

Man, white people have a lot of resentment toward the fact that they're not supposed to say that word anymore. There's double standards in life. Black/white, men/women... It's just the way it is in life. It's beyond me, why black people would want to call eachother that, but whatever. When they do, it's certainly in a different context.

[Tool-Slinger]

He did? Funny how you would take one speech literally and not the other. Bush was a liar too. They're all liars. You know who's a racist and has done more harm to his race than Obama is the "reverend" Al Sharpton. Hopefully we can agree on that.
I don't think obama ever set out to harm race relations, I think his racism is just an unfortunate truth that he has probably had a great struggle with personally, as a public elected figure.

[Rob_in_WV]

Man, white people have a lot of resentment toward the fact that they're not supposed to say that word anymore. There's double standards in life. Black/white, men/women... It's just the way it is in life. It's beyond me, why black people would want to call eachother that, but whatever. When they do, it's certainly in a different context.

You're right about double standards, but my thought was and still is, if you you hate that word and don't want it said to you by a person of another race, then don't allow your race to say it either, thats my take on it, right or wrong. :.02:

[RoBoTeq]

I don't think obama ever set out to harm race relations, I think his racism is just an unfortunate truth that he has probably had a great struggle with personally, as a public elected figure.
I disagree. I think Obama set out to deliberately make himself appear to be more of a Black man so he could divide the nation by ethnicity. Obama got himself involved in racial issues that a president should never have been involved in. Without ever knowing anything about the case where a Black scholar was arrested by a White cop for disturbing the peace, Obama made a public statement that the cop was stupid. I would not put it past Obama for having offed his grandmother days before his innaugeration just so there was no White family influence when he became president.

Yes, I do believe that Obama could be so dispicable as to have had his grandmother killed.

[Tool-Slinger]

I disagree. I think Obama set out to deliberately make himself appear to be more of a Black man so he could divide the nation by ethnicity. Obama got himself involved in racial issues that a president should never have been involved in. Without ever knowing anything about the case where a Black scholar was arrested by a White cop for disturbing the peace, Obama made a public statement that the cop was stupid. I would not put it past Obama for having offed his grandmother days before his innaugeration just so there was no White family influence when he became president.

Yes, I do believe that Obama could be so dispicable as to have had his grandmother killed.
I am asserting that obama is a flaming racist, the fact of that is pretty much beyond rational dispute at this point. I do not think his racist ideology is the primary factor in his agenda[s]. More of an overwhelming influence in his head. In other words, his hatred for white people [and jews] will influence any thought that runs through his head.

Did he set out to divide the nation by racial tensions? I don't think so at all. He has, but I don't think he meant to do that. I think he honestly set out to unite all of the USA under his utopian socialist leadership, and include the rest of the world to bask in the glory of his great idealism. His racism has been an obstacle. As has his flawed idealism.

Obama is perhaps the worst US president in history. Like any man, he has his flaws. I am personally more concerned with his ideological flaws, but having a sitting president who is a confirmed racist is just unacceptable in this day and age.

[coilcleaner]

I cannot believe this rhetoric is still alive.

[coilcleaner]

Confirmed; I hate white people, and everybody else.

[dudeabides]

This has definitely gone off the rails.

[coilcleaner]

comic relief.

[Rob_in_WV]

Confirmed; I hate white people, and everybody else.

I started to use something like that line to get out of jury duty once. :bump:
I was gonna tell them I was prejudiced towards all races and nationalities including white people. ::DD:

[dudeabides]

comic relief.

that's for sure.:cheers:

[Tool-Slinger]

Confirmed; I hate white people, and everybody else.
Are you an ' equal opportunity hater'?

[Tool-Slinger]

I cannot believe this rhetoric is still alive.
It is headline news, even CNN is covering it. It was on TV this morning.

[Brian GC]

Obama is perhaps the worst US president in history.

Not even close. Not until he drags us into a couple of unnecessary wars and kills a few hundred thousand innocent civilians.

[coilcleaner]

Oh its on cnn omg I had better watch it. The news tells you want it wants to keep ratings up............................

[Rob_in_WV]

It is headline news, even CNN is covering it. It was on TV this morning.


Can you post a link to a video of the segment? I didn't see it but would like to.

[Tool-Slinger]

Can you post a link to a video of the segment? I didn't see it but would like to.
I cannot find anything on the net. It was a morning show, liberal winch interviewing breitbart editor was incredulous: "IS THAT ALL YOU GOT? WHERE IS THE BOMBSHELL?" sort of embarrassing to watch, the editor did a good job of dealing with the attack.

[Tool-Slinger]

Not even close. Not until he drags us into a couple of unnecessary wars and kills a few hundred thousand innocent civilians.
Okay Mr tambourine man, whatever....

[Cooked]

Trust me tool slinger I do not have to depend on the media for my reality. I know what the reality is in this country, you haven't a clue.
The Indians although some were victimized also prayed on each other with merciless violence. Most wars have a loser and a winner some wars never end.
Hitler was a racist.

I don't normally engage in this type of tit-for-tat debate (unless it's scientific) but I have to ask.....if you don't depend on the media, or a historian, to form your reality then exactly HOW did you arrive at your conclusions....about anything? And may I remind, anybody who publishes anything subjective in nature by any vehicle could be considered a member of the media, the (Gutenberg) press or a historian if it addresses the past. You must've read or heard some account somewhere

[RoBoTeq]

There are no winners in war, only less losers. That said, war is an unfortunate evil for mankind to wear ourselves out when we can't figure out how to get along.

I still think Obama is deliberately using our ethnic differences to divide us along with anything else he can use about our differences in order to divide us. Divide and conquer....and whoever is behind Obama is definitely planning on conquering.

[Tool-Slinger]

There are no winners in war, only less losers. That said, war is an unfortunate evil for mankind to wear ourselves out when we can't figure out how to get along.

I still think Obama is deliberately using our ethnic differences to divide us along with anything else he can use about our differences in order to divide us. Divide and conquer....and whoever is behind Obama is definitely planning on conquering.
While obama is clearly playing a game of class-warfare, I am missing the race-warfare angle. If it is there, I don't see it. He tries to antagonize the mexican and black populations to his favor, but so does any politician. It is just a voting block, a statistical target for those ninnies in DC.

[hvac wiz 79]

take out your frustrations on this . . .


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[Brian GC]

I still think Obama is deliberately using our ethnic differences to divide us

Could you give some examples?

I think George Bush divided this country much worse than Obama is…so much so he lost the next election for the entire Republican Party. If Obama is as bad as Bush then he would be getting thrown out too. The American people recognized a loser before and they would do it now if it were so.

[corny]

Obama gets two terms........no matter what.

I read that on an illuminatti message board so you know its going to happen.

Those old illuminatti guys are getting bored in their old age......thats why they are making Obama out to be a nincompoop while letting him hang around for 8 years.

Yes... your vote doesnt matter......but still vote.....

[RoBoTeq]

While obama is clearly playing a game of class-warfare, I am missing the race-warfare angle. If it is there, I don't see it. He tries to antagonize the mexican and black populations to his favor, but so does any politician. It is just a voting block, a statistical target for those ninnies in DC.
Maybe it's because I am so ticked off at Obama for not using his multi-ethnicity to unite us that I feel he has chosen to support only one ethnic group of people.

[RoBoTeq]

take out your frustrations on this . . .


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Thanks! I just ordered a dozen of them to place at various locations. I'm going to put one in the passenger seat of my car so I can backhand Obama everytime I think about how he has harmed our nation.

[RoBoTeq]

Could you give some examples?

I think George Bush divided this country much worse than Obama is…so much so he lost the next election for the entire Republican Party. If Obama is as bad as Bush then he would be getting thrown out too. The American people recognized a loser before and they would do it now if it were so.
How about a quote from Obama from one of his books?
I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.

Obama supported Reverand Wright, who constantly made racist remarks against Whites in his sermons.
Obama's support for a Black professor arrested for disturbing the peace by Obama's calling the police officer stupid for arresting the professor.
The list of even the most mundane acts of racism from Obama are abundant. It's not like Obama even tries very hard to hide his racist biases.

[glennac]

Could you give some examples?

I think George Bush divided this country much worse than Obama is…so much so he lost the next election for the entire Republican Party. If Obama is as bad as Bush then he would be getting thrown out too. The American people recognized a loser before and they would do it now if it were so.

Are you for real? Unbelievable, you actually think Obama with all he has said and the anti White, anti American "church" he attended for 20 years is not an anti White Black racist who wants to destroy the economy of America.

He is doing this for two reasons. One he is a dedicated Marxist and communist and the other his he can wipe out White America in the process, even if this means hurting successful capitalist Blacks also. This is a twofer in his racist mind. Gees:.02:. Thank you very much

[dec]

Anyone not realizing Obama is a liberal , socialist, lying dirtbang racist ....... is either stupid or has his head burried in the sand :.02:

[Rob_in_WV]

Are you for real? Unbelievable, you actually think Obama with all he has said and the anti White, anti American "church" he attended for 20 years is not an anti White Black racist who wants to destroy the economy of America.

He is doing this for two reasons. One he is a dedicated Marxist and communist and the other his he can wipe out White America in the process, even if this means hurting successful capitalist Blacks also. This is a twofer in his racist mind. Gees:.02:. Thank you very much

Kinda like a man who attends Klan meetings claiming that he's not a racist. :.02:

[Tool-Slinger]

Kinda like a man who attends Klan meetings claiming that he's not a racist. :.02:
Exactly, perfect example Rob.

Of course we are sure you are not insinuating anyone here is attending KKKlan meetings. The example is perfect, Obama is basically a member of the black equivalent of the KKKlan. You nailed that one right on the head!

[coilcleaner]

Exactly, perfect example Rob.

Of course we are sure you are not insinuating anyone here is attending KKKlan meetings. The example is perfect, Obama is basically a member of the black equivalent of the KKKlan. You nailed that one right on the head!

Black equivelent of KKK? Oh you mean those black guys that go around draggin white dudes from their hillbilly truck bumpers?
You dude are a legend in your own mind, This thread is crapola authored by you.

[coilcleaner]

You need to change your user name to bs slinger.

[newoldtech]

Black equivelent of KKK? Oh you mean those black guys that go around draggin white dudes from their hillbilly truck bumpers?
You dude are a legend in your own mind, This thread is crapola authored by you.

I can see debating whether or not you think Obama is racist. But are you seriously saying that no blacks are racist?

[RoBoTeq]

Anyone not realizing Obama is a liberal , socialist, lying dirtbang racist ....... is either stupid or has his head burried in the sand :.02:
You really should not keep your emotions bottled up. Tell us how you really feel.:cheers:

[RoBoTeq]

Black equivelent of KKK? Oh you mean those black guys that go around draggin white dudes from their hillbilly truck bumpers?
You dude are a legend in your own mind, This thread is crapola authored by you.
I am certainly not ever going to make any claims that any ethnic group is more racist than another is, but most of the racism I have experienced in life was either Black on Black racism or Black on White racism. This is because I lived most of my life in a predominantly Black area of the U.S.

[coilcleaner]

I can see debating whether or not you think Obama is racist. But are you seriously saying that no blacks are racist?

This not worth response.

[coilcleaner]

I am certainly not ever going to make any claims that any ethnic group is more racist than another is, but most of the racism I have experienced in life was either Black on Black racism or Black on White racism. This is because I lived most of my life in a predominantly Black area of the U.S.

Racism is nothing but self hatred.

[RoBoTeq]

Racism is nothing but self hatred.
While I can agree with this assessment, what does this have to do with what I posted?

[dec]

While I can agree with this assessment, what does this have to do with what I posted?

NOTHING .......... He is just getting his post count up :grin2:

[Tool-Slinger]

Black equivelent of KKK? Oh you mean those black guys that go around draggin white dudes from their hillbilly truck bumpers?
You dude are a legend in your own mind, This thread is crapola authored by you.
The thread is actually based on a head-line news story. It is not something I made up.

In spite of your seeming reluctance to admit it, any race at all can be racist. Maybe we are mus-communicating on definitions or something, I don't know. This is a FACT: Some black people hate white people simply because they are white. I define that as racism.

Obama has undeniable close associations with racists. So he is racist, hates jews and white people. You would call me a racist if I were a KKK member, no difference, guilt by association.

[Tool-Slinger]

You need to change your user name to bs slinger.
The intellectual quality of your counter-argument is not improving.

[Brian GC]

I agree that Obama probably has racist feelings in him but it doesn’t matter unless he makes decisions influenced by his racism. What actions has he taken that stem from his racism?

[RoBoTeq]

NOTHING .......... He is just getting his post count up :grin2:
I knew I was good for something.:angel:

[Tool-Slinger]

I agree that Obama probably has racist feelings in him but it doesn’t matter unless he makes decisions influenced by his racism. What actions has he taken that stem from his racism?
The obvious example I can think of is the intervention between the black professor and police incident. I understand your point, there is also a 'reparations angle'. All you have to do is google 'obama reparations'. He has said reparations don't go far enough. He wants 'redistributive change' and 'social justice'. These last two are just PC code-words to cover his racism. Obamacare is the beginning of reparations. There is a fairly unlimited amount of web links if you goggle the right words, here is a tiny sample:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907220015
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readarticle.aspx?artid=32892
http://blog.acton.org/archives/2533-obama-reparations-radio-interview-begs-a-question-does-wealth-redistribution-actually-help-the-poor.html

On foreign policy, the racism against jews is of particular concern with all the trouble in the middle east.

[Brian GC]

The obvious example I can think of is the intervention between the black professor and police incident. I understand your point, there is also a 'reparations angle'. All you have to do is google 'obama reparations'. He has said reparations don't go far enough. He wants 'redistributive change' and 'social justice'. These last two are just PC code-words to cover his racism. Obamacare is the beginning of reparations. There is a fairly unlimited amount of web links if you goggle the right words, here is a tiny sample:

On foreign policy, the racism against jews is of particular concern with all the trouble in the middle east.

Obama did not “intervene”, he commented on it. As for the charge of disturbing the peace, it is the flimsiest charge a cop can arrest you for next to spitting on the sidewalk. It is usually a revenge charge for standing up to them in public.

He may have made comments of reparation before being president, but has he made them as president?

If he wants to provide health coverage for the middle class that isn’t favoring blacks or slighting whites.

And, if he has stood up the Jewish influence in Washington my hat is off to him. It’s about time a president stood up to them. Jews comprise 0.2% of our seven billion but they nevertheless control our congress, administration, and media. But heck, just me saying that probably makes me anti-Semitic, right?

[genduct]

Black equivelent of KKK? Oh you mean those black guys that go around draggin white dudes from their hillbilly truck bumpers?
You dude are a legend in your own mind, This thread is crapola authored by you.

Not that long ago, 7 black teenagers attacked a white guy on a subway platform, just for the Hell of it, they were caught and convicted, funny they were not charged the same way with the "hate crimes" thing because it is claer that racism only goes one way.

Not agree with the KKK thing but also don't drink the blue Koolaide about there only being one group that is assumed to be the victim either.

A little more balance and honesty is the only thing that will stop this crap

[genduct]

That bill is marked PAID IN FULL

[Brian GC]

A little more balance and honesty is the only thing that will stop this crap

What will stop the black hatred upon whites is for the black leaders to condemn their own ills. Their leaders will not stand up to their society and condemn the out of wedlock births, leaching off welfare to raise their children and the stigma associated with working with your hands as being “uncool” or “working for whitey”.

As long as they see themselves as victims they will remain victims in their minds. They by far have had the most difficult time integrating into US culture because of this.

[Tool-Slinger]

I agree with some of what you say.

Obama did not “intervene”, he commented on it. As for the charge of disturbing the peace, it is the flimsiest charge a cop can arrest you for next to spitting on the sidewalk. It is usually a revenge charge for standing up to them in public.


Obama did more than comment on the arrested professor, he intervened. A sitting president commenting on a city matter IS an intervention,.. a really big intervention. He also picked sides with dubious factual knowledge of the situation. That is why there was a national public eye-brow raising at the time and people were thinking, "golly gee wally, was that racist?". Of course obama smoothed it all over with the unprecedented 'beer summit' and in the end it was no really big deal. A problem? No. A racist incident? Yes.

He may have made comments of reparation before being president, but has he made them as president?

Oh heck no! He would be impeached! Obama is not a total idiot, if he is going to be president he has to represent all of the people,... or at least try to maintain that appearance. His own democrat party would throw him under the bus if he started spouting reparations nonsense, it is just a political 'hot-potato' nobody wants.

On the other hand, reparations are at the core of obamas ideals concerning 'social justice' and 'redistributive justice' it is the same thing, sorta, but more elaborate to include the socialist agenda he also has.

If he wants to provide health coverage for the middle class that isn’t favoring blacks or slighting whites.

Not race-based, but blacks are in the lower income area as a group, so yes that favors blacks. There is supposed to be some sort of income based [voucher or credit?] thing to actually give free healthcare to poor rather than making them pay for it or pay a fine. That is economic redistribution, dovetails nicely with a racist agenda.

And, if he has stood up the Jewish influence in Washington my hat is off to him. It’s about time a president stood up to them. Jews comprise 0.2% of our seven billion but they nevertheless control our congress, administration, and media. But heck, just me saying that probably makes me anti-Semitic, right?

As for jew racism, I don't really see where that has been an issue as yet. It is disturbing in light of current world events if he has a problem with jews [israel] but as of today I am not aware of any domestic issue associated with this problem.

[Brian GC]

I have known only a few blacks in my lifetime than have gotten over the fact that they are black. All the others wear it on their sleeve, basically ready to pounce on any opportunity to call whitey a racist. I even heard Will Smith say he is a victim of racism…give me a break! So if Obama comes from that same standpoint, it doesn’t surprise me.

Remember some years back when a high Japanese politician said “blacks are the US’s biggest downfall”. He was removed from office the next day. It would be interesting to hear him expand on that comment.

[Rob_in_WV]

What will stop the black hatred upon whites is for the black leaders to condemn their own ills. Their leaders will not stand up to their society and condemn the out of wedlock births, leaching off welfare to raise their children and the stigma associated with working with your hands as being “uncool” or “working for whitey”.

As long as they see themselves as victims they will remain victims in their minds. They by far have had the most difficult time integrating into US culture because of this.

I don't see it happening anytime soon, especially when you have guys like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the Black Panthers who only have the agenda to keep things stirred up. I wish we could all just get along, because honestly I know 2 black gentlemen that I greatly respect and admire, one was my high school basketball coach and the other is a man I worked with for a few years. Now there's more but I'd be listing all day, but these two are the most notable.

[RoBoTeq]

Obama did not “intervene”, he commented on it. As for the charge of disturbing the peace, it is the flimsiest charge a cop can arrest you for next to spitting on the sidewalk. It is usually a revenge charge for standing up to them in public.

He may have made comments of reparation before being president, but has he made them as president?

If he wants to provide health coverage for the middle class that isn’t favoring blacks or slighting whites.

And, if he has stood up the Jewish influence in Washington my hat is off to him. It’s about time a president stood up to them. Jews comprise 0.2% of our seven billion but they nevertheless control our congress, administration, and media. But heck, just me saying that probably makes me anti-Semitic, right?
As president of the U.S., Obama should have stayed as far from the incident of his Black friend being arrested as possible. It had nothing to do with Obama and Obama came off like some sort of gangsta hood over it. Without having any idea what had occurred, Obama declared that the White cop acted stupidly;

President Obama said that police in Cambridge, Massachusetts, "acted stupidly" in arresting a prominent black Harvard professor last week after a confrontation at the man's home.
"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played," Obama said Wednesday night while taking questions after a White House news conference.
Cambridge authorities dropped disorderly conduct charges against Henry Louis Gates Jr. on Tuesday.
Obama defended Gates on Wednesday night, while admitting that he may be "a little biased," because Gates is a friend. http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-22/us/harvard.gates.interview_1_cambridge-police-gates-james-crowley?_s=PM:US

Obama had no right to make a comment on that arrest. It made Obama look like a president who is going to judge based on his relationship with a person rather then the facts. The fact that Gates was screaming racism and that Obama addressed racism is indeed an indication that Obama made an irrational decision that the officer was wrong because the officer was White.

[RoBoTeq]

Obama did not “intervene”, he commented on it. As for the charge of disturbing the peace, it is the flimsiest charge a cop can arrest you for next to spitting on the sidewalk. It is usually a revenge charge for standing up to them in public.

He may have made comments of reparation before being president, but has he made them as president?

If he wants to provide health coverage for the middle class that isn’t favoring blacks or slighting whites.

And, if he has stood up the Jewish influence in Washington my hat is off to him. It’s about time a president stood up to them. Jews comprise 0.2% of our seven billion but they nevertheless control our congress, administration, and media. But heck, just me saying that probably makes me anti-Semitic, right?
Obama's racism actually also extends to Black Americans as well. By pushing for special consessions for Black Americans. Obama is clearly stating that overall, Blacks are not as good as Whites are. According to Obama, Blacks cannot properly provide identification for themselves so we should not have to identify who we are in order to vote. According to Obama, Black Americans still need special priveledges such as Affirmative Action because Black Americans aren't good enough to succeed on their own merits.

While it is clear that Obama is a racist, it is his elitism that is scarier. Obama will used Black Americans to his advantage just as much as he will turn his head away from Americans who are not 100% for his style of government. Obama is dangerous to all Americans, but he is also a racist.

[SolarMike]

Obama's racism actually also extends to Black Americans as well. By pushing for special consessions for Black Americans. Obama is clearly stating that overall, Blacks are not as good as Whites are. According to Obama, Blacks cannot properly provide identification for themselves so we should not have to identify who we are in order to vote. According to Obama, Black Americans still need special priveledges such as Affirmative Action because Black Americans aren't good enough to succeed on their own merits.

While it is clear that Obama is a racist, it is his elitism that is scarier. Obama will used Black Americans to his advantage just as much as he will turn his head away from Americans who are not 100% for his style of government. Obama is dangerous to all Americans, but he is also a racist.

Are you saying that, IF, all programs and language that "try to level the playing field" were removed, blacks would feel better about themselves and there would be no racism and white business owners would hire a black person just as readily as a white person. I don't believe you are not that naive but I had to check..

[Brian GC]

I do not doubt that Obama is a racist at heart but him supporting affirmative action doesn’t prove anything. Affirmative Action has been around for a long time. Were other white presidents that supported it racists against whites too?

Actually I think Obama has done a good job of hiding his racism. What did you you expect in a black president, an uncle tom like Larry Elder who hates blacks.

[glennac]

Are you saying that, IF, all programs and language that "try to level the playing field" were removed, blacks would feel better about themselves and there would be no racism and white business owners would hire a black person just as readily as a white person. I don't believe you are not that naive but I had to check..

Why of course they would hire the best not be forced to hire the unqualified as required by AA. It is a simple business decision. Thank you, thank you very much

[RoBoTeq]

Are you saying that, IF, all programs and language that "try to level the playing field" were removed, blacks would feel better about themselves and there would be no racism and white business owners would hire a black person just as readily as a white person. I don't believe you are not that naive but I had to check..
As long as any two people in the world look differently from one another due to ethnic background differences, there will be racism. I am stating, and this is supported by many influential Blacks, that the "level playing field" bullcrap is downright racist. How is lowering standards "leveling the playing field"?

I love that cupcake sale at Berkeley that had prices based on ethnicity; http://www.theblaze.com/stories/racist-cupcakes-berkeley-leftists-blow-gasket-over-affirmative-action-bake-sale/

Why are successful Blacks who are not leftists against Affirmative Action?

[corny]

Id throw a midget into a woodchipper right now for a couple of lemon cupcakes and a glass of milk.......

[ORV]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3cGfrExozQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[dudeabides]

good clip. i've always found black history month to be phony and patronizing.

[RoBoTeq]

Id throw a midget into a woodchipper right now for a couple of lemon cupcakes and a glass of milk.......
Who wouldn't?

[corny]

Black folk contributed much to our society.

It was a black man who came up with the great idea of the self service gas pump.

it was a lazy sunday morning in atlanta when washington monroe carver jefferson III was outside the filling station where he was employed as a pump jockey.

Washington wasnt feeling well after a late night of drinking and carousing and just wanted to sit and sip his wine and read the paper.

A woman pulled up to the pumps and after waiting several minutes began honking her horn for service.

Hungover and in a foul mood......Washington yelled at her ....

Pump it your damn self !!!

Thus starting self service gas pumping in america.

[RoBoTeq]

Black folk contributed much to our society.

It was a black man who came up with the great idea of the self service gas pump.

it was a lazy sunday morning in atlanta when washington monroe carver jefferson III was outside the filling station where he was employed as a pump jockey.

Washington wasnt feeling well after a late night of drinking and carousing and just wanted to sit and sip his wine and read the paper.

A woman pulled up to the pumps and after waiting several minutes began honking her horn for service.

Hungover and in a foul mood......Washington yelled at her ....

Pump it your damn self !!!

Thus starting self service gas pumping in america.
Thank you for giving us an example of racist humor.

I am not at all against ethnic humor poking fun at different ethnic groups for their appearances, stereotypical mannerisms or cultural attitudes, but we still need to be somewhat sensitive of the feelings of others.

The bottom line is that we can only be offended if we choose to be offended. There are not many names you can sling at me that will offend me to the point of my thinking that name should be banished from vocabulary.

I've been called Whity....so what? I am sort of White...off white. I've been called cracker, red neck, honky, faggot (Blacks used to think this was somehow an offensive term for Whites, I don't know if they still use it or not) etc. none of these names are offensive to me because they are either somewhat accurate of just make no sense.

I think of ehtnic offensive name calling as what the Buddha, Siddhārtha Gautama, once said about insults; (ad libbed)If you give someone a present and that person refuses to accept that present, who does the present belong to? I refuse to accept your insult.

[corny]

You are most welcome....

[SolarMike]

Why of course they would hire the best not be forced to hire the unqualified as required by AA. It is a simple business decision. Thank you, thank you very much

I will take Robos answer as being more realistic than Glennacs. There is a lot of fear, cultural bias, built up over centuries that will make a white employer favour a white employee over a black employee. That employer may not know it and it is there to varying degrees (1-100%) but it is there none the less.

It will take a long time and maybe a lot of genetic mixing to get rid of it.

[Gib's Son]

I will take Robos answer as being more realistic than Glennacs. There is a lot of fear, cultural bias, built up over centuries that will make a white employer favour a white employee over a black employee. That employer may not know it and it is there to varying degrees (1-100%) but it is there none the less.

It will take a long time and maybe a lot of genetic mixing to get rid of it.

Why mix, just take and Anti Racist Pill.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/feeling-racist-blood-pressure-pill-propranolol-may-open-223450211.html

[Rob_in_WV]

I will take Robos answer as being more realistic than Glennacs. There is a lot of fear, cultural bias, built up over centuries that will make a white employer favour a white employee over a black employee. That employer may not know it and it is there to varying degrees (1-100%) but it is there none the less.

It will take a long time and maybe a lot of genetic mixing to get rid of it.

OR a lot of getting over the My ancestors were slaves so the world owes me mentality, get an education and make something of yourself. If you approach a prospective employer with a positive attitude and genuine qualifications it doesn't matter if you're white, black or green, you're gonna get hired. :.02:

[SolarMike]

Why mix, just take and Anti Racist Pill.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/feeling-racist-blood-pressure-pill-propranolol-may-open-223450211.html

There ya go, the cure all..............another pill

[RoBoTeq]

I will take Robos answer as being more realistic than Glennacs. There is a lot of fear, cultural bias, built up over centuries that will make a white employer favour a white employee over a black employee. That employer may not know it and it is there to varying degrees (1-100%) but it is there none the less.

It will take a long time and maybe a lot of genetic mixing to get rid of it.
The attitudes between different ethnic peoples in the U.S. had come a long way since desegration. That is until Obama came into office and got the whole thing stirred back up again.

I remember well in the 70's, when I first went into business as a sheet metal contractor, how a Black owned refrigeration company got around the continued rascist attitudes that went on despite government laws protecting and favoring Black businesses in the Baltimore/DC area.

The owner of the minority business that I subcontracted sheet metal work to always had me go with him to bid meetings for jobs. At first I thought it was so that I would understand the job better for my portion of the bidding, but that seemed to not make a lot of sense since the jobs were all plan and spec. When I asked the owner of the minority company why he included me in these bid sessions, he explained something that had not crossed my mind.

What he said was that even though a certain amount of minority contractors had to be used on the jobs, my being there gave the general contractor and the job owners the indication that some White guy was actually behind the minority company and so they felt more inclined to give the job to a minority company that had a White guy behind the scenes.

As absurd as this seems, we got more jobs then any other minority contractor of any other trade.

[RoBoTeq]

Why mix, just take and Anti Racist Pill.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/feeling-racist-blood-pressure-pill-propranolol-may-open-223450211.html
Interesting. I've been taking propranylol for years for migrains, but did not have racist thoughts before taking the drug.

I'm thinking that racism is more a learned issue. There are many wrong things that we learn in life. The key to overcoming these issues is to just stop having superiority attitudes and realize that all men (yes, women too) are "CREATED" equal. We may not all progress equally, but that too is our own darn fault.

[RoBoTeq]

OR a lot of getting over the My ancestors were slaves so the world owes me mentality, get an education and make something of yourself. If you approach a prospective employer with a positive attitude and genuine qualifications it doesn't matter if you're white, black or green, you're gonna get hired. :.02:
That attitude would not exist if Progressive (Socialist) Democrats would stop pandering to minorities in order to obtain their loyalty for the vote. We have created this monster together by voting into office politicians who use our money to bribe minorities with consessions they don't deserve.

The really sad part of this is that the way the system is, Black Americans are being damaged more by Socialist pandering then are those of us who are financing this social scam.

What would a major portion of White people do if government gave them an opportunity to collect money or get better paying jobs just for whining a little about how mean people were to their ancestors? We'd be on that money like White on rice!

Don't lie and tell me that you would not take a freebie and justify it by thinking; If I don't take it, some other White person better off then I am will.

[Rob_in_WV]

That attitude would not exist if Progressive (Socialist) Democrats would stop pandering to minorities in order to obtain their loyalty for the vote. We have created this monster together by voting into office politicians who use our money to bribe minorities with consessions they don't deserve.

The really sad part of this is that the way the system is, Black Americans are being damaged more by Socialist pandering then are those of us who are financing this social scam.

What would a major portion of White people do if government gave them an opportunity to collect money or get better paying jobs just for whining a little about how mean people were to their ancestors? We'd be on that money like White on rice!

Don't lie and tell me that you would not take a freebie and justify it by thinking; If I don't take it, some other White person better off then I am will.

You got me there, I'd tear some dudes arm off to get the cash, I simply get tired of the attitude that is projected that "I'm better than you" when the only difference is they get catered to.:.02:

[glennac]

I will take Robos answer as being more realistic than Glennacs. There is a lot of fear, cultural bias, built up over centuries that will make a white employer favour a white employee over a black employee. That employer may not know it and it is there to varying degrees (1-100%) but it is there none the less.

It will take a long time and maybe a lot of genetic mixing to get rid of it.

So you prefer institutionalized discrimination against Whites forever. It has gone on for 47 years already. Funny you have discrimination against Whites by Whites already with the ingrained PC in most Whites through indoctrination by the schools, the press and government agencies.

Everyone bends over backward to be sure a person of color is given the benefit of the doubt so as not to offend or be guilty of discrimination in anyway. There is no more good old boy network around. So you are saying we should just suck it up forever. I would say if there was any justification for it back in 65 it should have ended in 75,

That was plenty of time to discriminate against those Whites who may have benefited from the old system. You are now discriminating against their grand kids and now great grand kids. How great and generous that must make you and robo feel to defend this BS forever. That sucks. Thank you, thank you very much

[RoBoTeq]

So you prefer institutionalized discrimination against Whites forever. It has gone on for 47 years already. Funny you have discrimination against Whites by Whites already with the ingrained PC in most Whites through indoctrination by the schools, the press and government agencies.

Everyone bends over backward to be sure a person of color is given the benefit of the doubt so as not to offend or be guilty of discrimination in anyway. There is no more good old boy network around. So you are saying we should just suck it up forever. I would say if there was any justification for it back in 65 it should have ended in 75,

That was plenty of time to discriminate against those Whites who may have benefited from the old system. You are now discriminating against their grand kids and now great grand kids. How great and generous that must make you and robo feel to defend this BS forever. That sucks. Thank you, thank you very much
HOW THE HELL DO YOU JUSTIFY DRAGGING ME INTO SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE ELSE POSTS?:gah:

[glennac]

HOW THE HELL DO YOU JUSTIFY DRAGGING ME INTO SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE ELSE POSTS?:gah:

OK robo I went back and read all the previous posts. Solar was saying that he agreed with you on the need for AA but that appears to be wrong. He made that up.

Sorry for dragging you into solar's post. I stand corrected. Just got pissed at solar's post and assumed that he didn't make that up about your all's so called agreement there and fired off a rebuttal post immediately .

I will correct the post accordingly. But alas it is too late. Lets just say that it is directed at Solar only and not you. Sin Loy, Thank you, thank you very much.

[Tool-Slinger]

HOW THE HELL DO YOU JUSTIFY DRAGGING ME INTO SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE ELSE POSTS?:gah:
Robo almost has 65.000 posts, every post or thread involves Robo. :p

[Tool-Slinger]

OK robo I went back and read all the previous posts. Solar was saying that he agreed with you on the need for AA but that appears to be wrong. He made that up. Sorry for dragging you into solar's post. I stand corrected. Just got pissed at solar's post and assumed that he didn't make that up about your all's so called agreement there and fired off a rebuttal post immediately . I will correct the post accordingly. But alas it is too late. Lets just say that it is directed at Solar only and not you. Thank you, thank you very much.
Glennac you are a true gentleman.

[glennac]

Glennac you are a true gentleman.

Thanks tool, but I feel that I got egg on my face on this one. Again, thank you, thank you very much

[RoBoTeq]

I don't know why our post count is maintained. It's not like we have any reason to set any goals. I figure that if I pass the highest number obtainable it will be as anticlimatic as it was when I beat Gorgon by going over the highest score obtainable.

It was in an arcade in Ocean City, MD. I had Gorgon's heart beating so fast it was like a humming bird screaming. Gorgon was pleading with me to stop because I was hurting the beast too much. I had quite a crowd gathered around to see the final demise of Gorgon. Then; as the score counter spun past the highest score, the screaming stopped and Gorgon's heart beat went back to the very beginning thumps as the entire pinball machine reset itself.

I had over 30 credits accumulated. It was such a let down that I turned the machine over to some young guy who was watching me kick Gorgon's butt.

I figure that someday I will hit the highest post count here and my posts will be reset back to those innocent days when I could not type as fast and I was not the awesome poster I am today......ooooh, the heartache of it all.

[SolarMike]

So you prefer institutionalized discrimination against Whites forever. It has gone on for 47 years already. Funny you have discrimination against Whites by Whites already with the ingrained PC in most Whites through indoctrination by the schools, the press and government agencies.

Everyone bends over backward to be sure a person of color is given the benefit of the doubt so as not to offend or be guilty of discrimination in anyway. There is no more good old boy network around. So you are saying we should just suck it up forever. I would say if there was any justification for it back in 65 it should have ended in 75,

That was plenty of time to discriminate against those Whites who may have benefited from the old system. You are now discriminating against their grand kids and now great grand kids. How great and generous that must make you and robo feel to defend this BS forever. That sucks. Thank you, thank you very much

I didn't say I agreed with AA. I only said there is a lot of ingrained racism in all of us, from almost negligible in some people to outright obvious. It hasn't disappeared and it will take a looooong time for it to go. Robo just had a better comment than you. That is all.

[ironpit]

I agree that Obama probably has racist feelings in him but it doesn’t matter unless he makes decisions influenced by his racism. What actions has he taken that stem from his racism?

what was the tanning tax a tax on? What would be the ethnic breakdown in terms of percentage for those affected.

[SolarMike]

OK robo I went back and read all the previous posts. Solar was saying that he agreed with you on the need for AA but that appears to be wrong. He made that up.

Sorry for dragging you into solar's post. I stand corrected. Just got pissed at solar's post and assumed that he didn't make that up about your all's so called agreement there and fired off a rebuttal post immediately .

I will correct the post accordingly. But alas it is too late. Lets just say that it is directed at Solar only and not you. Sin Loy, Thank you, thank you very much.

I never said Robo agreed with AA.

[SolarMike]

I don't know why our post count is maintained. It's not like we have any reason to set any goals. I figure that if I pass the highest number obtainable it will be as anticlimatic as it was when I beat Gorgon by going over the highest score obtainable.

It was in an arcade in Ocean City, MD. I had Gorgon's heart beating so fast it was like a humming bird screaming. Gorgon was pleading with me to stop because I was hurting the beast too much. I had quite a crowd gathered around to see the final demise of Gorgon. Then; as the score counter spun past the highest score, the screaming stopped and Gorgon's heart beat went back to the very beginning thumps as the entire pinball machine reset itself.

I had over 30 credits accumulated. It was such a let down that I turned the machine over to some young guy who was watching me kick Gorgon's butt.

I figure that someday I will hit the highest post count here and my posts will be reset back to those innocent days when I could not type as fast and I was not the awesome poster I am today......ooooh, the heartache of it all.

Pining for the fiords, eh

[RoBoTeq]

Pining for the fiords, eh
I don't understand.

[RoBoTeq]

I never said Robo agreed with AA.
Good thing. AA is for quiters!

[glennac]

I didn't say I agreed with AA. I only said there is a lot of ingrained racism in all of us, from almost negligible in some people to outright obvious. It hasn't disappeared and it will take a looooong time for it to go. Robo just had a better comment than you. That is all.......................... It will take a long time and maybe a lot of genetic mixing to get rid of it.

Funny though it sure sounded like you were defending the need for it even after 47 years of reverse discrimination against Whites with no end in sight and you seem to prefer that we all inter marry and become all one race to correct your perceived racist problem.

Sounds like you may have an extremely bad case of PC and White guilt. Hope you recover from your affliction there. Thank you, thank you very much

[RoBoTeq]

Not only is Obama a racist, he is a typical leftist racist who calls others racist to deter from his own racism;
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http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0904/racist-redneck-politics-congress-obama-president-hateful-vic-demotivational-poster-1241152075.jpg

[ironpit]

I don't understand.

used to mean someone rowing for utopia, kinda reep-a-cheep in voyage of the dawn treader. I'm sure you know what fjords are.

[ironpit]

roboteq, you are a bit of a history buff. Obama has already killed one american citizen with hardly a ruffle from the media. What do you suppose the chances are he might repeat hitler and stalin and start on political enemies, like members congress?

[SolarMike]

I don't understand.

Reference to the Monte Python "dead parrot sketch". It can be used in many situations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE

[ironpit]

Reference to the Monte Python "dead parrot sketch". It can be used in many situations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE

sorry mike, just trying to help. I guess I'm used to older stuff.

[SolarMike]

Funny though it sure sounded like you were defending the need for it even after 47 years of reverse discrimination against Whites with no end in sight and you seem to prefer that we all inter marry and become all one race to correct your perceived racist problem.

Sounds like you may have an extremely bad case of PC and White guilt. Hope you recover from your affliction there. Thank you, thank you very much

Nope, no white guilt here. I just recognize that you cannot solve mass problems that have existed since we crawled out of the sea in a few decades. I'm not offering solutions, and I don't hear many on this thread either.

[SolarMike]

sorry mike, just trying to help. I guess I'm used to older stuff.

Oh, your answer is good too.

[ironpit]

Nope, no white guilt here. I just recognize that you cannot solve mass problems that have existed since we crawled out of the sea in a few decades. I'm not offering solutions, and I don't hear many on this thread either.

Crawled out of the sea? I'm hoping you mean" sea of people"

[SolarMike]

Crawled out of the sea? I'm hoping you mean" sea of people"

I knew i would ruffle a feather or two with that one:grin2:

[ironpit]

Scales, please!

[glennac]

I knew i would ruffle a feather or two with that one:grin2:

Yeah well I believe that you may have already ruffled enough feathers there with your previous posts to say the least, Gees. :whistle::eek2: Thank you, thank you very much

[Rob_in_WV]

roboteq, you are a bit of a history buff. Obama has already killed one american citizen with hardly a ruffle from the media. What do you suppose the chances are he might repeat hitler and stalin and start on political enemies, like members congress?

I must have been asleep for that one, who did he kill and when?

[SolarMike]

Yeah well I believe that you may have already ruffled enough feathers there with your previous posts to say the least, Gees. :whistle::eek2: Thank you, thank you very much

Happy to be in good company with you Glennac.

[SolarMike]

Scales, please!

Pardon?

[ironpit]

Pardon?

fish scales. you know. fish. it was a joke! some people! :beat:

[ironpit]

I must have been asleep for that one, who did he kill and when?

the american citizen living in yemen. I believe the washington post carried a good front page on it . The guy was a suspected terrorist organizer, but had never actually taken action, so they say. Google, obama kills u.s. citizen
Good article.

[glennac]

the american citizen living in yemen. I believe the washington post carried a good front page on it . The guy was a suspected terrorist organizer, but had never actually taken action, so they say. Google, obama kills u.s. citizen
Good article.

A traitor deserves death. Glad they got him. A citizen who is a Muslim terrorist should be taken down by what ever means it takes. He declared war on the US.

There was a documentary about him and shows him recruiting American, Canadian and British citizens to Al Qaeda in Yemen and leading patrols to attack government forces in Yemen.

He was a terrorist and traitor to the core. Look it up. :cheers:. Thank you, thank you very much

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

[ironpit]

A traitor deserves death. Glad they got him. A citizen who is a Muslim terrorist should be taken down by what ever means it takes. He declared war on the US:cheers:. Thank you, thank you very much

I'm not sorry he is gone.But as obama bin laden is a socialist, that may very well have been a test. The legal process does matter. It sets precedent.

[SolarMike]

Now, I'm not saying you are wrong but how do you get the idea that Bin Laden was a socialist?

[ironpit]

maybe it's his gentle sharing, nature, and his association with his 20 year socialist preacher/counselor revvy wright. Or, maybe it's just everything he does, and the people he surrounds himself with. Or, maybe I am just paranoid!

[SolarMike]

I meant Bin Laden......not Obama

[ironpit]

who said anything about him? he's shark poop, by now.you're getting thread dizzy!

[SolarMike]

You put them both in the same phrase.......as socialists

[corny]

I must have been asleep for that one, who did he kill and when?



Shouldnt Robs avatar be taken down.....I mean ...its political....and we all can see its about obama.

I dont care myself but you all did remove my Cain avatar and he wasnt even a serious contender.

[ironpit]

Tommy roe here, a little dizzy( that's a little rock history joke).

Where did I mention OSAMA bin laden.
I said his brother OBAMA bin laden.
You know, the one who said arabic was going to be the next language.
Some texas schools are teaching it. :beat:

[Rob_in_WV]

Shouldnt Robs avatar be taken down.....I mean ...its political....and we all can see its about obama.

I dont care myself but you all did remove my Cain avatar and he wasnt even a serious contender.

Is my Avatar a problem? If it violates any rules they won't have to take it down because I'll do it for them. Can a Moderator confirm? :oops:

[RoBoTeq]

used to mean someone rowing for utopia, kinda reep-a-cheep in voyage of the dawn treader. I'm sure you know what fjords are.
Yes, I know what fjords are. I just have no clue as to what the rest of your comment means. How is my beating a pinball machine akin to a talking mouse in a fairy tale?

[Tool-Slinger]

Is my Avatar a problem? If it violates any rules they won't have to take it down because I'll do it for them. Can a Moderator confirm? :oops:
I am not a moderator, but I am fairly sure that is breaking the rules, too political for an avatar. I personally like it.

[RoBoTeq]

roboteq, you are a bit of a history buff. Obama has already killed one american citizen with hardly a ruffle from the media. What do you suppose the chances are he might repeat hitler and stalin and start on political enemies, like members congress?
I would be surprised if Obama has not already had certain opponents offed. Elitists justify doing anything to get what they want. It is the "by any means necessary" attitude.

Mass public containment camps were built decades ago in the U.S. Rumor has it that under the Clinton administration, these camps have been converted to internment camps capable of intering entire American families. Whether they are still in existance, I will need to check up on. I would not put it past Obama to have any and all who oppose him if he is reelected put into these camps. Once we are intered, escape would justify execution.

While I do not put much faith in Alex Jones and think he is a showman abusing extremes to enthraw his brand of mindless audience, sort of the polar opposite of leftists, this does give some information on these camps and how they have been justified for existing over the decades; http://www.newswithviews.com/Roth/laurie300.htm

[RoBoTeq]

Is my Avatar a problem? If it violates any rules they won't have to take it down because I'll do it for them. Can a Moderator confirm? :oops:
Derogatory political avatars are not allowed. Since your avatar is "against" a politician, I would say it will be construed as being derogatory. We can advertize our likes of politicians but not our disdain for them in avatars or sig lines. Without this rule, things would get really dicey with everyone displaying negative avatars and sig lines.

[Tool-Slinger]

Derogatory political avatars are not allowed. Since your avatar is "against" a politician, I would say it will be construed as being derogatory. We can advertize our likes of politicians but not our disdain for them in avatars or sig lines. Without this rule, things would get really dicey with everyone displaying negative avatars and sig lines.
Excellent answer.

[RoBoTeq]

Reference to the Monte Python "dead parrot sketch". It can be used in many situations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE
I still don't see any way that this relates to my beating Gorgar.

[RoBoTeq]

Oh, your answer is good too.
No it wasn't.

This really needs more analysis. There are obviously drugs involved with this conversation and I'm not getting my share.

[RoBoTeq]

Nope, no white guilt here. I just recognize that you cannot solve mass problems that have existed since we crawled out of the sea in a few decades. I'm not offering solutions, and I don't hear many on this thread either.
The solution is to stop expecting government to come up with solutions.

Equality must be what it claims to be, equal. Why are there "hate crimes"? Is there any diffence between a bunch of White guys beating up on a Black guy or a bunch of Black guys beating up on a White guy? According to government there is.

[Rob_in_WV]

I went ahead and took it down. While I admit I like to discuss things and even on occasion stir the pot, if My avatar could be insulting or derogatory I'll pull it. I like a lively discussion, but won't insult anyone or cause hard feelings. :censored::)

[RoBoTeq]

I knew i would ruffle a feather or two with that one:grin2:
I'm thinking that no feathers were ruffled from your apparent lack of understanding of both evolution and creation.

If mankind is indeed indigenous to planet Earth, we are obviously evolved from the giant beaver...
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http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4811029577335856&id=c8c3645a9503c2bc25350dfb7a82022f&index=newexp
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Aquatic, yet fully mammalian

[RoBoTeq]

the american citizen living in yemen. I believe the washington post carried a good front page on it . The guy was a suspected terrorist organizer, but had never actually taken action, so they say. Google, obama kills u.s. citizen
Good article.
He most likely had his Whitey granny offed too.

[RoBoTeq]

I meant Bin Laden......not Obama
A lot of folks get those two peas in a pod mixed up. Obama Bin Laden.....Barak Hussein Osama....whatever.....

[jeremyhall.tech.sc]

Breitbart is releasing one of the tapes of Obama in his college years. Yep, I want to see it.:yes: Then we can discuss it tomorrow.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/07/buzzefeed-selectively-edits-obama-tape

really? it took a video to show people that this Muslim-African doesnt like the whitey's? well im appalled. :bump:

[ironpit]

robotech you seem like a really sweet man, but a bit of a curioso.
On the one hand you are obviously fairly well educated, but on the other you sometimes seem to lack the grasping of the simple.
You are capable of lengthy dissertations on just about anything, but very short with the opinions of others.
You can be very insulting, but at times you concede others are felllow humans also, worthy of some treatment of decency.
Clearly you are a well qualified hvac guy
Yours would make an interesting psych profile.
I wouldn't be so rude as to say you are arrogant, but you do remind me of my arrogant brother who has degrees in mathematics (don't know exactly what kind) and psychology.
All in all you do seem to be a nice man, sorta.
Bit of a curioso though. :couch:

[ironpit]

I would be surprised if Obama has not already had certain opponents offed. Elitists justify doing anything to get what they want. It is the "by any means necessary" attitude.

Mass public containment camps were built decades ago in the U.S. Rumor has it that under the Clinton administration, these camps have been converted to internment camps capable of intering entire American families. Whether they are still in existance, I will need to check up on. I would not put it past Obama to have any and all who oppose him if he is reelected put into these camps. Once we are intered, escape would justify execution.

While I do not put much faith in Alex Jones and think he is a showman abusing extremes to enthraw his brand of mindless audience, sort of the polar opposite of leftists, this does give some information on these camps and how they have been justified for existing over the decades; http://www.newswithviews.com/Roth/laurie300.htm

This post is an example of where you excel Thank you.:putergreet:

[RoBoTeq]

robotech you seem like a really sweet man, but a bit of a curioso.
On the one hand you are obviously fairly well educated, but on the other you sometimes seem to lack the grasping of the simple.
You are capable of lengthy dissertations on just about anything, but very short with the opinions of others.
You can be very insulting, but at times you concede others are felllow humans also, worthy of some treatment of decency.
Clearly you are a well qualified hvac guy
Yours would make an interesting psych profile.
I wouldn't be so rude as to say you are arrogant, but you do remind me of my arrogant brother who has degrees in mathematics (don't know exactly what kind) and psychology.
All in all you do seem to be a nice man, sorta.
Bit of a curioso though. :couch:
I prefer "enigma", but you can call me a god if you want to.....:grin2:

[ironpit]

and a sweet one at that! :angel:

[coolwhip]

Uh oh...Robo has a not so secret secret admirer.:eek2:

[ironpit]

Is it that obvious!? (Naw! I'm just setting him up for the kill). :couchhide:
think he will read this?

[RoBoTeq]

Uh oh...Robo has a not so secret secret admirer.:eek2:
Meaning that all the rest of you just hide your true feelings about me.

[RoBoTeq]

Is it that obvious!? (Naw! I'm just setting him up for the kill). :couchhide:
think he will read this?
Mum's the word.

[coolwhip]

Mum's the word.

Thats disgusting, yall should leave your Mums out of such promiscuous perversion.:whistle:

[RoBoTeq]

Thats disgusting, yall should leave your Mums out of such promiscuous perversion.:whistle:
Don't see why. My mum has alzheimers and has at times thought I was her brother, uncle or as she once put it, "that guy".

Just to give you Cretans something to have fun with, my mum consistantly tells me that she has no children.

[newoldtech]

Don't see why. My mum has alzheimers and has at times thought I was her brother, uncle or as she once put it, "that guy".

Just to give you Cretans something to have fun with, my mum consistantly tells me that she has no children.


There was an old joke where one kid would say to another kid "Did your mother have any children that lived"?

[coolwhip]

Don't see why. My mum has alzheimers and has at times thought I was her brother, uncle or as she once put it, "that guy".

Just to give you Cretans something to have fun with, my mum consistantly tells me that she has no children.

Oh jeebus...you had to go and bring reality into it.:(

[RoBoTeq]

There was an old joke where one kid would say to another kid "Did your mother have any children that lived"?
Believe me, that unkind joke comes to mind everytime my mom denies having children when I am trying to get her to know who I am.

[RoBoTeq]

Oh jeebus...you had to go and bring reality into it.:(
Sorry, but you know how life has it's twists and turns. Comedy drama, noir comedy, romantic comedy and all those are just terms for "stay away if you don't want to get bummed out".

[ironpit]

in spite of all my flaws , you do have a sense of humor!::DD:

[ironpit]

that last post was for page 14 and prior. All joking aside, robotech, I am sorry about your mother.
We went through the same thing with my wife's mother. She could only remember her oldest son. She died of complication of alzheimers. She hung on forever, refusing to die.
When my army son came home from afghanistan he went straight to the hospital to see his grandmother,who at that time could not recognize anyone. She died right after his visit.
My wife exhibited symptoms of early onset of dementia after several strokes. She seems to have recovered.
Again, I was not making light of your situation with your mother.
I certainly will pray for your situation.

[RoBoTeq]

Ironpit, in no way could I be offended by our humorous banter. Life happens, and alzheimers is an unfortunate fact of life for some.....too many.

My mom too is physically healthy. She has been in the home ever since my sister died a little over a year ago, and she has been screaming to be set free ever since she went to the home.

My mom was living with my sister and her husband and had a woman who came to the house to take care of some of the issues my sister could not handle. When my sister died suddenly of cancer, mom had to be put in the home. It's not a bad place at all, but mom is very selfcentered and she doesn't like being there. When I go to visit her, the very first words out of here are; Are you here to take me home? She has no clue who I even am, but she knows I had something to do with her being put in the home.

The last time mom stayed at my house, she woke up in the middle of the night screaming that I had kidnapped her and that she demaned to be let go. When I called her "mom", she got really mean and started yelling for me to stop calling her that because she didn't know who I was. It was a nightmare.

I don't know, put me in a place where I get fed any time of the day or night that I want to eat, have a comfortable place to sleep and someone who will push me around in a wheelchair if I don't feel like walking.....:whistle:

[jeremyhall.tech.sc]

Ironpit, in no way could I be offended by our humorous banter. Life happens, and alzheimers is an unfortunate fact of life for some.....too many.

My mom too is physically healthy. She has been in the home ever since my sister died a little over a year ago, and she has been screaming to be set free ever since she went to the home.

My mom was living with my sister and her husband and had a woman who came to the house to take care of some of the issues my sister could not handle. When my sister died suddenly of cancer, mom had to be put in the home. It's not a bad place at all, but mom is very selfcentered and she doesn't like being there. When I go to visit her, the very first words out of here are; Are you here to take me home? She has no clue who I even am, but she knows I had something to do with her being put in the home.

The last time mom stayed at my house, she woke up in the middle of the night screaming that I had kidnapped her and that she demaned to be let go. When I called her "mom", she got really mean and started yelling for me to stop calling her that because she didn't know who I was. It was a nightmare.

that sounds awful man. my wife's grand mother has the "old-timers" real bad she wont even let her husband of 50+ years go outside w/o locking him out... the first few times was funny but..............


I don't know, put me in a place where I get fed any time of the day or night that I want to eat, have a comfortable place to sleep and someone who will push me around in a wheelchair if I don't feel like walking.....:whistle:


Prison?????? :bump:

[RoBoTeq]

Prison?????? :bump:
That's what my mom calls it. If anyone has another solution that I or my brother or nephew who has power of attorney over my mom's medical, can do, we'd love to know what it is.

Mom needs constant attention. She gets violent at times. My sister took custody of my mom when my mom had to be hosptalized for not remembering to eat or drink after my dad died.

Unfortunately, my sister sold off all of my mom's assets and put the money into an account under her own name so that when the time came to have to put my mom in a home, there would be money available that would not be taken by the home as mom's assets. With the sudden death of my sister, all of my mom's money wound up going to my brother in law because it was all in my sister's name. Now, there is no money available to do anything for my mom with other then what has been allocated to the home she is in. We could not afford to have in house care for mom even if we could stay with her 24/7 in our own homes.

In essence, any other choice for mom would mean that whoever's home mom lived in would become a prison for mom and the family member caring for her.

I would not wish alzheimers on my worst enemy. It is a very, very cruel disease for everyone affected by it.

[ironpit]

Don't know penn law. My wife worked as business office manager in nursing homes for 14 or 15 years. She got a local law lady involved in advocacy for the elderly and it really took off. There are federal laws governing the assets that your sister took.
My wife has told me all kinds of things families have done to the assets of their family members.
I would check with an attorney or someone from the adult protective services, if Penn has such an agency. As for putting your mother in a home.,In almost every case, that is the best thing a family can do.
I can't tell you how many spouses have nearly killed themselves trying to care for the other, or the strain of physically trying to do it; The guilt alone is bad enough. It isn't any easier for the kids.
I've got some real interesting stories of what happened to me ,as the safety director and maintenance director of a home, when I reported abuse!

[RoBoTeq]

My mom is in Maryland. What my sister did was for mom's best interest. My sister was a really sharp lady and she did everything through attorneys. Everything would have worked out for the best if my sister hadn't died. Legally, my brother in law is perfectly within his rights to keep the hundreds of thousands of dollars in assets from my mom's home and other equity that were being held by my sister in her name.

Unfortunately, there was nothing legally that could be done about my brother in laws lack of morals and ethics. Needless to say, he is not very well thought of by other members of my family. I never really liked him much because he is such a self centered person. He is actually good for my mom, and being the last constant in her life before going to the home, she actually remembers more about him then anyone else. For that reason, I tolerate him.

[ironpit]

I'm sorry to hear about your sister. No words can do. I've lost a granddaughter, mom, and dad the last couple of years.

[RoBoTeq]

I'm sorry to hear about your sister. No words can do. I've lost a granddaughter, mom, and dad the last couple of years.
Getting older seems to do this to us. I've lost both sisters to cancer and my dad over the past 4 years.

[ironpit]

my brother and I are the last of my dads' family. I guess we are up next. Just curious. Were any of them followers of Christ?

[RoBoTeq]

my brother and I are the last of my dads' family. I guess we are up next. Just curious. Were any of them followers of Christ?
Religion has never been a major conversational piece in my family. Since my coming to Jesus Christ in my early twenties, I have actually been considered the religous nut of the family. My older sister did belong to a church and considered herself a Christian. I did not think much of some of the doctrines of the quite socially liberal minded church she belonged to and had to correct her pastor on a few items at my dad's funeral services, but we talked just before she died and she said she was good with God. My younger sister never spoke about her faith, but again, told me she was good with God and that God must have needed her to take her so soon. Likewise, my dad and I talked a lot just before he died and he told me that while he didn't deserve it, he believed he was going to be with God. So, I'm going to say yes, I believe each in their own way were followers of Christ.

My brother, who is older then me, and I have been discussing the way the four of us siblings are dying. Since it has been girls first, youngest first, it seems logical to us that I should be the next to go with the oldest of us all being last. We figure that even though she is already mentally gone that our mom will outlast us all.

[ironpit]

I was the black sheep of my family, back to my dads' parents. I came to faith in Christ at an early age. Grandparents never did on dads' side. We Never talked about God, religion or the Bible, as a family.
You don't have cancer, do you?
Somehow, I just can't see you going too easily.You're too ornery!

[RoBoTeq]

I was the black sheep of my family, back to my dads' parents. I came to faith in Christ at an early age. Grandparents never did on dads' side. We Never talked about God, religion or the Bible, as a family.
You don't have cancer, do you?
Somehow, I just can't see you going too easily.You're too ornery!
No signs of cancer in me and my heart disease is mostly self induced due to my abusive way of treating my body.

Anyway, to tie this into the theme of the original conversation here, it is all because Obama is so much of a bigot that cancer even exists. (Try figuring this one out!)

[newoldtech]

No signs of cancer in me and my heart disease is mostly self induced due to my abusive way of treating my body.

Anyway, to tie this into the theme of the original conversation here, it is all because Obama is so much of a bigot that cancer even exists. (Try figuring this one out!)

Come on Robo, now you're reaching. Everyone knows that cancer is Bush's fault. ;)

[ironpit]

No signs of cancer in me and my heart disease is mostly self induced due to my abusive way of treating my body.

Anyway, to tie this into the theme of the original conversation here, it is all because Obama is so much of a bigot that cancer even exists. (Try figuring this one out!)

I'll take your word for it! After all, can't trust obama bin laden!

[coolwhip]

There are cures for several types of cancer including brain and lung, but the FDA will not grant patents so the inventors may capitalize and the pharmaceutical lobby is very powerful in this country.

Obviously the business of letting people die from cancer or the meds they take for it is more lucrative than curing the disease.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eec_1332008315

[RoBoTeq]

Come on Robo, now you're reaching. Everyone knows that cancer is Bush's fault. ;)
That is so turn of the century rhetoric, newoldtech.....:grin2:

You really need to catch up with the latest cliches. After all, they can change at any given moment....:cheers:

[RoBoTeq]

There are cures for several types of cancer including brain and lung, but the FDA will not grant patents so the inventors may capitalize and the pharmaceutical lobby is very powerful in this country.

Obviously the business of letting people die from cancer or the meds they take for it is more lucrative than curing the disease.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eec_1332008315
Even though I work with a Relay for Life team to support the American Cancer Society, I don't believe that those responsible are really looking to cure cancer any more then I believe that those proponants of man made global warming give a crap about the environment. As long as citizens money confiscated by governments is being given to organizations who financially support the politicians making the rules that benefit the organizations, we will never find a cure for cancer or do anything practical about our real involvement with the environment.

Most of what we here is rhetoric designed to scam us into allowing government to continue taking money from us to give to organizations that support the politicians.....sigh, until we get government out of our social lives, we will continue to live with cancer.

So, in an absurdly connected way, Obama's racist attitude really does have an affect on cancer. It is a shame that if not Obama, it would be some other corrupt politician heading the big con game of government.

[Brian GC]

It is a shame that if not Obama, it would be some other corrupt politician heading the big con game of government.

That is very true.

The only people that can take down Obama are democrats. They know this so they paralyze the system by getting the democrats to focus on blaming the republicans. Inversely they get the republicans to blame the democrats. We feel good because we have someone to blame and complain about and they get to keep their jobs. Its not until the democrats have the courage to throw out their bad laundry and the republicans do the same will we have any change, but the polarizing news stations have us wrapped up in the blame game and we willing play along.

Who put Obama in office last term… the republicans because they were fed up with Bush. And who really thinks there will be any change if one of those republicans gets elected? All this campaigning is just a big hopefilled distraction so they can keep doing what they do.

[SolarMike]

No signs of cancer in me and my heart disease is mostly self induced due to my abusive way of treating my body.

Anyway, to tie this into the theme of the original conversation here, it is all because Obama is so much of a bigot that cancer even exists. (Try figuring this one out!)

Now that comment made me laugh....:grin2: Robo, you have quite an imagination....

[SolarMike]

Even though I work with a Relay for Life team to support the American Cancer Society, I don't believe that those responsible are really looking to cure cancer any more then I believe that those proponants of man made global warming give a crap about the environment. As long as citizens money confiscated by governments is being given to organizations who financially support the politicians making the rules that benefit the organizations, we will never find a cure for cancer or do anything practical about our real involvement with the environment.

Most of what we here is rhetoric designed to scam us into allowing government to continue taking money from us to give to organizations that support the politicians.....sigh, until we get government out of our social lives, we will continue to live with cancer.

So, in an absurdly connected way, Obama's racist attitude really does have an affect on cancer. It is a shame that if not Obama, it would be some other corrupt politician heading the big con game of government.

So, Am I to assume that you would like to live in blissful ignorance of the whatever effects we have on the planet, if any, and just wait till the giant Monty Python foot comes down on you (metaphorically speaking of course), after which you would say "wow, I never saw that coming"?

[ironpit]

[QUOTE=SolarMike;12751631]So, Am I to assume that you would like to live in blissful ignorance of the whatever effects we have on the planet, if any, and just wait till the giant Monty Python foot comes down on you (metaphorically speaking of course), after which you would say "wow, I never saw that coming"?[/QUOT

Delusional interloper!:grin2:

[ironpit]

Those "save the earth people" remind me of patrick and spongebob running around with their jellyfish nets. :tank:

[SolarMike]

Those "save the earth people" remind me of patrick and spongebob running around with their jellyfish nets. :tank:

Me thinks you underestimate the human ability to royally f**k up the world around us. We are quite good at it.....:gah:

[ironpit]

Me thinks you underestimate the human ability to royally f**k up the world around us. We are quite good at it.....:gah:

Squidward! I mean, solarmike! No, not really! I just think the guys with the bombs are going to beat the rest of us to it! Actually, if you would read the OWNERS MANUAL, you would see the EARTH comes through it all, A-ok. It's them little polluters who are going to have some problems.:angel:

[ironpit]

Hey! S & M! While you are on here , why don't you do something constructive and go to my nordyne thread and give me some useful advice for once? Earn your keep fella! :spitball:

[SolarMike]

Never having seen "Sprungrobert" I don't know who squidward might be. I have read the owners manual and I, for one, am not going to hasten the end or wish for its coming. For that matter, we are here right now and have to deal with our little problems here and now and there is no way i want to be considered part of "that" problem.

[SolarMike]

Hey! S & M! While you are on here , why don't you do something constructive and go to my nordyne thread and give me some useful advice for once? Earn your keep fella! :spitball:

didn't know you had a nordyne thread...

[ironpit]

apparently neither does anyone else. It's like throwing a party and no one showing up. Talk about rejection.:beat:

[SolarMike]

I looked at it...don't know the answer but I assume your thoughts are correct.

[ironpit]

Great. Is that the best you can do ? I thought you were a professional. I hate "yes" men. Where's robotech , jmac00, cool whip or MARKL! :spitball:
But thanks anyway. appreciate the effort!

[RoBoTeq]

So, Am I to assume that you would like to live in blissful ignorance of the whatever effects we have on the planet, if any, and just wait till the giant Monty Python foot comes down on you (metaphorically speaking of course), after which you would say "wow, I never saw that coming"?
Blissful ignorance is not my style. It is however the style of most of the sheeple who ignorantly follow whatever is claimed by those who are scamming us "left" and "right".

I am a realist. I detest the rhetoric that is used mostly by liberals while they flat out lie about their manipulated data and absurdly developed "models" in which they claim they can tell the future.

[RoBoTeq]

Those "save the earth people" remind me of patrick and spongebob running around with their jellyfish nets. :tank:
Good analogy. I'll bet we could convince them that they can also get the smoke back into the wires of burned out transformers.

[RoBoTeq]

Me thinks you underestimate the human ability to royally f**k up the world around us. We are quite good at it.....:gah:
I'm glad to see you referred to you and your leftist buddies as the ones being good at effing up the world. OK, all of us are guilty of being environmentally obtuse, but it is the leftists who have made an industry of conning everyone into a constant state of fear in order to scam money from us all.

[SolarMike]

I'm glad to see you referred to you and your leftist buddies as the ones being good at effing up the world. OK, all of us are guilty of being environmentally obtuse, but it is the leftists who have made an industry of conning everyone into a constant state of fear in order to scam money from us all.

Actually that is wrong. The scientists come in all political stripes and there are lots of right wingers who understand the environmental problems we create. You can stop with the leftie bashing cause it is going no where.

[ironpit]

Actually that is wrong. The scientists come in all political stripes and there are lots of right wingers who understand the environmental problems we create. You can stop with the leftie bashing cause it is going no where.

sore loser. Where's that tongue sticking out smiley!?:grin2:

[ironpit]

I looked at it...don't know the answer but I assume your thoughts are correct.

couldn't you at least left a response in the nordyne thread? Maybe leave a note to let people know you were there? C'mon mike!:gah:

[RoBoTeq]

Actually that is wrong. The scientists come in all political stripes and there are lots of right wingers who understand the environmental problems we create. You can stop with the leftie bashing cause it is going no where.
Of course there are honest scientists, both liberal and conservative. who understand that we have indeed created some environmental problems.

It is the lying leftists who are sensationalizing the completely natural events of global warming, climate change and changes in the PH of the oceans who are doing the conning and manipulating in order to keep us in a constant state of fear.

As scientists keep moving away from supporting man made global warming and climate change, we just don't see a lot of anyone moving toward the hype.

So, there is no need whatsover to not bash liars and deceivers unless you happen to support the lies and deceits, for what ever your reason.

[SolarMike]

Of course there are honest scientists, both liberal and conservative. who understand that we have indeed created some environmental problems.

It is the lying leftists who are sensationalizing the completely natural events of global warming, climate change and changes in the PH of the oceans who are doing the conning and manipulating in order to keep us in a constant state of fear.

As scientists keep moving away from supporting man made global warming and climate change, we just don't see a lot of anyone moving toward the hype.

So, there is no need whatsover to not bash liars and deceivers unless you happen to support the lies and deceits, for what ever your reason.

How about the lying rightists? there are just as many or more of them that leftists. Remember, Robo, that most "scientists" (and some just masquerade as scientists), on the right, that are against this are corporately driven (oil types. NUC types etc).

Remember all the tobacco "scientists" saying that there is no link to lung cancer? I have said it before and I will say it again.....THE CLIMATE SCIENTISTS WERE NEVER MONEY MOTIVATED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO MONEY IN IT FOR THEM. They were motivated by concern over what we do to our environment. That is it. End of story. The environment is NOT a left/right political issue unless you want to make it one.

IF you deniers want to have your way, I will let you put up with all the increased asthma rates, increased skin cancers, etc, etc. I, for one, don't want that on my head.......

[ironpit]

How about the lying rightists? there are just as many or more of them that leftists. Remember, Robo, that most "scientists" (and some just masquerade as scientists), on the right, that are against this are corporately driven (oil types. NUC types etc).

Remember all the tobacco "scientists" saying that there is no link to lung cancer? I have said it before and I will say it again.....THE CLIMATE SCIENTISTS WERE NEVER MONEY MOTIVATED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO MONEY IN IT FOR THEM. They were motivated by concern over what we do to our environment. That is it. End of story. The environment is NOT a left/right political issue unless you want to make it one.

IF you deniers want to have your way, I will let you put up with all the increased asthma rates, increased skin cancers, etc, etc. I, for one, don't want that on my head.......
:whistle:

[ControlsInMT]

How about the lying rightists? there are just as many or more of them that leftists. Remember, Robo, that most "scientists" (and some just masquerade as scientists), on the right, that are against this are corporately driven (oil types. NUC types etc).

Remember all the tobacco "scientists" saying that there is no link to lung cancer? I have said it before and I will say it again.....THE CLIMATE SCIENTISTS WERE NEVER MONEY MOTIVATED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO MONEY IN IT FOR THEM. They were motivated by concern over what we do to our environment. That is it. End of story. The environment is NOT a left/right political issue unless you want to make it one.

IF you deniers want to have your way, I will let you put up with all the increased asthma rates, increased skin cancers, etc, etc. I, for one, don't want that on my head.......

Not money driven? You really believe that these guys/gals weren't paid extremely well for being "guest Experts"? Yes there were some "true" scientists, but not very many.:gah:

[dec]

How about the lying rightists? there are just as many or more of them that leftists. Remember, Robo, that most "scientists" (and some just masquerade as scientists), on the right, that are against this are corporately driven (oil types. NUC types etc).

I have said it before and I will say it again.....THE CLIMATE SCIENTISTS WERE NEVER MONEY MOTIVATED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO MONEY IN IT FOR THEM. They were motivated by concern over what we do to our environment. That is it. End of story.
.......

ok so that statement shows you don't get it ........... No money in it for them ???????? If they say its proven that most of the so called things changing the climate are not man made and cannot be changed ........ ya think they are gonna keep gettting grants to study that ?????? Don't think so

With a name like solar Mike ......... sounds like someone living off subsidies or grants like most scientists. If you work in solar industry as a lot of us did in the 70's and 80's .......... you know as I do that without government subsidies ..... THAT DOG DON"T HUNT :.02:

[RoBoTeq]

How about the lying rightists? there are just as many or more of them that leftists. Remember, Robo, that most "scientists" (and some just masquerade as scientists), on the right, that are against this are corporately driven (oil types. NUC types etc).

Remember all the tobacco "scientists" saying that there is no link to lung cancer? I have said it before and I will say it again.....THE CLIMATE SCIENTISTS WERE NEVER MONEY MOTIVATED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO MONEY IN IT FOR THEM. They were motivated by concern over what we do to our environment. That is it. End of story. The environment is NOT a left/right political issue unless you want to make it one.

IF you deniers want to have your way, I will let you put up with all the increased asthma rates, increased skin cancers, etc, etc. I, for one, don't want that on my head.......
There have been literally hundreds of leftist scientists propogating man made global warming exposed on this site alone. I have not seen any of your claimed concervative scientists lying about global warming.

I have already referred to scientists who were bought and paid for by tobacco and oil companies. What so corporate owned scientists have to do with conservative?

People like you are the ones attempting to make the environment political and people like you are the ones who are those who deny anything that does not agree with your agendas. If you are not one of the leftist liars who is in some way making money from the man made global scams, then your are no more then an idiotic sheeple who just wants a reason to complain about anything that is not Socialist prone.

Put up or shut up. Show us all of the "conservative" scientists who have been caught manipulating global warming models. Show us all of the "conservative" scientists who have been caught lying about facts concerning global warming.

Or, do what you usually do and continue denying the truth by making claims that you cannot show support for.

[keeplearnin]

confirmed Obama racist, sooooo whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.

[RoBoTeq]

confirmed Obama racist, sooooo whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.
So, seperating Americans by ethnicity is "seperating" Americans. No president should be so blatantly advocating any seperation in Americans. Even as racist as President Johnson was, he did not blatantly create a seperation of Americans by spewing ethnic comments in public.

We are supposed to be the "United" states. Yet we have a president who is causing us to not be united even on the citizen level. The 50 states (not 57, as Obama has indicated without ever having corrected) of the United States of America have become 50 providences subject to a singular federal government, no different then Mexico is.

We need to get back to being independent on the state level while still striving for unity on the citizenry level. United we can once again stand, divided as we are, we are bowing every bit as much as the current president bows to other world leaders.

[SolarMike]

Not money driven? You really believe that these guys/gals weren't paid extremely well for being "guest Experts"? Yes there were some "true" scientists, but not very many.:gah:

what "guest experts"? And no, look back 20-30 years and tell me what environmental industry had money to throw around. NONE, that is how many. Greenpeace had money from individuals and no one got rich from their efforts.

There are green industries now, only because those before sacrificed a lot to get out an very unpopular message. You don't have asbestos in your insulation because of these scientists, you don't have lead in your gas for the same reason, lead in your solder, same reason, scrubbers on coal plants, same reason, stinky first generation diesels, same reason. Do you really want me to go on? None of this would have happened if there was not research and industry doesn't pay for things that cost them money.

None of you answered my point about asthma....would you be happy if your little girl was suffering from something you can prevent? I don't think so.

[SolarMike]

ok so that statement shows you don't get it ........... No money in it for them ???????? If they say its proven that most of the so called things changing the climate are not man made and cannot be changed ........ ya think they are gonna keep gettting grants to study that ?????? Don't think so

With a name like solar Mike ......... sounds like someone living off subsidies or grants like most scientists. If you work in solar industry as a lot of us did in the 70's and 80's .......... you know as I do that without government subsidies ..... THAT DOG DON"T HUNT :.02:

I know very well what subsidies do and don't do and I have been in this business since the mid 80s. Some subsidies are worth it and some are not. I really don't think you understand the scientific process or you would never have made that first paragraph. Scientists ALWAYS question their findings, it is part of scientific discovery. It is only a person with a vested interest in another view who cannot see that. Studies will continue because the situation keeps changing, unfortunately for the worse.

[SolarMike]

There have been literally hundreds of leftist scientists propogating man made global warming exposed on this site alone. I have not seen any of your claimed concervative scientists lying about global warming.

I have already referred to scientists who were bought and paid for by tobacco and oil companies. What so corporate owned scientists have to do with conservative?

People like you are the ones attempting to make the environment political and people like you are the ones who are those who deny anything that does not agree with your agendas. If you are not one of the leftist liars who is in some way making money from the man made global scams, then your are no more then an idiotic sheeple who just wants a reason to complain about anything that is not Socialist prone.


Put up or shut up. Show us all of the "conservative" scientists who have been caught manipulating global warming models. Show us all of the "conservative" scientists who have been caught lying about facts concerning global warming.

Or, do what you usually do and continue denying the truth by making claims that you cannot show support for.

Oh, you just opened yourself up.....name the environmental scientists who have been exposed and prove they are leftist. You obviously believe you know who they are because I don't.

I don't make it my habit to slag any scientist as left or right only right or wrong. And I cannot win when any scientist that says we created this global warming (or at least made it a lot worse) is considered a liar by you.

Some people are deniers only because they are comfortable in their little cloistered world. I do not want to think you are one of them.

[ironpit]

Pleas provide a list of all the scientists that you are referring to as "right". I would like to carefully consider their evidence, as well as the foundations that pay them, and any political affiliates with them. I hear from both sides of this argument, general accusations and statements. I would like for you to be specific so that your credibility is not an issue, but rather your sources. Please respond accordingly. Thank you. :det:

[SolarMike]

Pleas provide a list of all the scientists that you are referring to as "right". I would like to carefully consider their evidence, as well as the foundations that pay them, and any political affiliates with them. I hear from both sides of this argument, general accusations and statements. I would like for you to be specific so that your credibility is not an issue, but rather your sources. Please respond accordingly. Thank you. :det:

I hope you will ask Robo to do the same.

It is normal for anyone who gives an opinion or gives evidence to be held under a much stronger microscope than the guy that does not rock the boat. These guys have always had to justify their claims.

Are you sure you want them all? we are talking 10s of thousands around the world.

[SolarMike]

OK, here is the first group. These are the head of some of the working groups. As you can imagine, it is an extremely diverse area of scientific study with everything from oceanographers to economists. I just cut and paste from the site.

http://www.ipcc-wg2.gov/AR5/AR5_authors.php#1


Context for the AR5
Chapter 1 — Point of departure
CLA Virginia Burkett
United States Geological Survey Avelino G. Suarez
Institute of Ecology and Systematics, Cuban Environmental Agency
LA Marco Bindi
University of Florence Cecilia Conde
Centro de Ciencias de la Atmósfera, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México William Hare
Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research
LA Rupa Mukerji
HELVETAS Swiss Intercooperation Michael Prather
University of California, Irvine Asuncion Lera St.Clair
Centre for International Climate and Environmental Research-Oslo (CICERO)
LA Gary Yohe
Wesleyan University
RE Hervé Le Treut
Laboratoire de Météorologie Dynamique/ Institut Pierre Simon Laplace Jean Palutikof
Griffith University
Chapter 2 — Foundations for decisionmaking
CLA Roger Jones
Victoria University Anand Patwardhan
Indian Institute of Technology-Bombay
LA Stewart Cohen
Environment Canada Suraje Dessai
University of Leeds Annamaria Lammel
Université Paris 8
LA Robert Lempert
RAND Corporation Monirul Mirza
Environment Canada Hans von Storch
Helmholtz-Zentrum Geesthacht
RE Rosina Bierbaum
University of Michigan Nicholas King
Independent Consultant


Natural and Managed Resources and Systems, and Their Uses
Chapter 3 — Freshwater resources
CLA Blanca Jimenez
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México Taikan Oki
University of Tokyo
LA Nigel Arnell
University of Reading Gerardo Benito
Spanish Council for Scientific Research J. Graham Cogley
Trent University
LA Petra Doell
Goethe University Frankfurt Tong Jiang
China Meteorological Administration Shadrack S. Mwakalila
University of Dar es Salaam
RE Pavel Kabat
International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis (IIASA) Zbigniew Kundzewicz
Polish Academy of Sciences
Chapter 4 — Terrestrial and inland water systems
CLA Robert Scholes
Council for Scientific and Industrial Research Josef Settele
Helmholtz Centre for Environmental Research
LA Richard Betts
Met Office Hadley Centre Stuart Bunn
Griffith University Paul Leadley
Universite Paris-Sud 11
LA Daniel Nepstad
Instituto de Pesquisa Ambiental da Amazônia (IPAM) Jonathan Overpeck
University of Arizona Miguel Angel Taboada
Instituto Nacional de Tecnología Agropecuaria
RE Andreas Fischlin
ETH Zurich, Systems Ecology José Moreno
University of Castilla - La Mancha Terry L. Root
Stanford University
Chapter 5 — Coastal systems and low-lying areas
CLA Iñigo J. Losada
Universidad de Cantabria Poh Poh Wong
National University of Singapore
LA Francesco Bosello
Università Statale of Milan Jean-Pierre Gattuso
Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique Jochen Hinkel
Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research
LA Abdellatif Khattabi
Ecole Nationale Forestiere d'Ingénieurs Kathleen McInnes
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) Yoshiki Saito
National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology
LA Asbury Sallenger
U.S. Geological Survey Anond Snidvongs
Chulalongkorn University
RE Robert Nicholls
University of Southampton Filipe Santos
University of Lisbon
Chapter 6 — Ocean systems
CLA David Karl
University of Hawaii Hans-O. Pörtner
Alfred-Wegener-Institute for Polar and Marine Research
LA Phil Boyd
National Institute of Water and Atmosphere William Cheung
University of British Columbia Salvador Lluch-Cota
Centro de Investigaciones Biológicas del Noroeste, S.C.
LA Yukihiro Nojiri
National Institute for Environmental Studies Daniela Schmidt
University of Bristol Peter Zavialov
P.P. Shirshov Institute of Oceanology
RE Kenneth Drinkwater
Institute of Marine Research Alexander Polonsky
Marine Hydrophysical Institute of National Academy of Sciences
Chapter 7 — Food production systems and food security
CLA John R. Porter
University of Copenhagen Liyong Xie
Shenyang Agricultural University
LA Andrew Challinor
University of Leeds Kevern Cochrane
Mark Howden
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization
LA Muhammad Mohsin Iqbal
Global Change Impact Studies Centre David Lobell
Stanford University María Isabel Travasso
Instituto Nacional de Tecnología Agropecuaria
RE Pramod Aggarwal
Indian Agricultural Research Institute, New Delhi Kaija Hakala
MTT Agrifood Research Finland


Human Settlements, Industry, and Infrastructure
Chapter 8 — Urban areas
CLA Aromar Revi
Indian Institute for Human Settlements David Satterthwaite
International Institute for Environment and Development
LA Fernando Aragon
Centro Mario Molina Jan Corfee-Morlot
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development Robert B. R. Kiunsi
Ardhi University
LA Mark Pelling
King's College London Debra Roberts
Ethekwini Municipality William Solecki
City University of New York
RE John Balbus
National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences Omar-Dario Cardona
Universidad Nacional de Colombia
Chapter 9 — Rural areas
CLA Purnamita Dasgupta
Institute of Economic Growth John Morton
Natural Resources Institute, University of Greenwich
LA David Dodman
International Institute for Environment and Development Baris Karapinar
University of Bern Francisco Meza
Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
LA Marta Rivera-Ferre
Center for Research of Agro-food Economy and Development Aissa Toure Sarr
Int'l Fund for Agricultural Development (IFAD) Katharine Vincent
Kulima Integrated Development Solutions
RE Habib Amamou
Ministry of Agriculture, Water Resources and Fisheries Edward Carr
University of South Carolina
Chapter 10 — Key economic sectors and services
CLA Douglas Arent
National Renewable Energy Laboratory Richard S.J. Tol
Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
LA Eberhard Faust
Munich Reinsurance Company Joseph P. Hella
Sokoine University of Agriculture Surender Kumar
University of Delhi
LA Ken Strzepek
UNU - World Institute for Development Economics Research/MIT Ferenc L. Tóth
International Atomic Energy Agency Denghua Yan
China Institute of Water Resources and Hydropower Research
RE Amjad Abdulla
Ministry of Housing and Environment Haroon Kheshgi
ExxonMobil Corporate Strategic Research He Xu
Center for Strategic Environmental Assessment, Nankai University


Human Health, Well-Being, and Security
Chapter 11 — Human health
CLA Kirk R. Smith
University of California, Berkeley Alistair Woodward
University of Auckland
LA Diarmid Campbell-Lendrum
World Health Organization Dave Chadee
University of the West Indies Rita Colwell
University of Maryland College Park
LA Yasushi Honda
University of Tsukuba Qiyong Liu
National Institute for Communicable Disease Control and Prevention, Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention Jane Mukarugwiza Olwoch
Department of Geography, Geo-informatics & Meteorology, University of Pretoria
LA Boris Revich
Institute of Forecasting Russian Academy of Science Rainer Sauerborn
Umeå University
RE Ulisses Confalonieri
Oswaldo Cruz Foundation Andrew Haines
London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Chapter 12 — Human security
CLA Neil Adger
Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, University of East Anglia Juan Pulhin
University of the Philippine Los Baños
LA Jonathon Barnett
University of Melbourne Geoff Dabelko
Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars Grete Hovelsrud
Center for International Climate and Environmental Research - Oslo
LA Patricia Kameri-Mbote
Strathmore University Marc Levy
Columbia University Ursula Oswald-Spring
Centro Regional de Investigaciones Multidiscipinarias, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
RE Paulina Aldunce
University of Chile Robin Leichenko
Rutgers University
Chapter 13 — Livelihoods and poverty
CLA Lennart Olsson
Lund University Maggie Opondo
University of Nairobi, Kenya Petra Tschakert
Pennsylvania State University
LA Arun Agrawal
University of Michigan Siri Eriksen
Norwegian University of Life Sciences Shiming Ma
Institute of Environment and Sustainable Development in Agriculture
LA Tom Mitchell
Overseas Development Institute Sumaya Zakieldeen
Khartoum University
RE Etienne Piguet
University of Neuchatel Rita Sharma
Retired Secretary to Government of India


Adaptation
Chapter 14 — Adaptation needs and options
CLA Saleemul Huq
International Institute for Environment and Development Ian Noble
Consultant
LA Yury Anokhin
Institute of Global Climate and Ecology JoAnn Carmin
Massachusetts Institute of Technology Dieudonne Goudou
High Commission of Niger Valley Development
LA Felino Lansigan
University of the Philippine Los Baños Balgis Osman-Elasha
African Development Bank Alicia Villamizar
Universidad Simón Bolívar
RE Anthony Patt
International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis Kuniyoshi Takeuchi
International Centre for Water Hazard and Risk Management
Chapter 15 — Adaptation planning and implementation
CLA Nobuo Mimura
Ibaraki University Roger Pulwarty
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
LA Do Minh Duc
Hanoi University of Science Ibrahim Elshinnawy
National Water Research Center, Egypt Margaret Hiza Redsteer
U.S. Geological Survey
LA He-Qing Huang
Chinese Academy of Sciences Johnson Ndi Nkem
United Nations Development Programme Roberto A. Sanchez Rodriguez
El Colegio de la Frontera Norte
RE Richard Moss
Joint Global Change Research Institute – Pacific Northwest National Laboratory Walter Vergara
Inter-American Development Bank
Chapter 16 — Adaptation opportunities, constraints, and limits
CLA Richard Klein
Stockholm Environment Institute Guy Midgley
South African National Biodiversity Institute Benjamin Preston
Oak Ridge National Laboratory
LA Mozaharul Alam
United Nations Environment Programme Frans Berkhout
VU University Kirstin Dow
University of South Carolina / Carolinas RISA
LA Yu'e Li
Chinese Institute of Environment and Sustainable Development in Agriculture Elena Mateescu
National Meteorological Administration Rebecca Shaw
The Nature Conservancy
RE Habiba Gitay
The World Bank James Thurlow
United Nations University's World Institute for Development Economics Research
Chapter 17 — Economics of adaptation
CLA Muyeye Chambwera
International Institute for Environment and Development Geoff Heal
Columbia Business School
LA Carolina Dubeux
Federal University of Rio de Janeiro Stephane Hallegatte
CIRED and Meteo-France Liza Leclerc
Independent Consultant
LA Anil Markandya
Basque Centre for Climate Change Bruce McCarl
Texas A&M University Reinhard Mechler
International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis
LA James Neumann
Industrial Economics, Incorporated
RE Eduardo Calvo
Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos Ana Iglesias
Polytechnic University of Madrid Stale Navrud
Norwegian University of Life Sciences


Multi-Sector Impacts, Risks, Vulnerabilities, and Opportunities
Chapter 18 — Detection and attribution of observed impacts
CLA Wolfgang Cramer
Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research Gary Yohe
Wesleyan University
LA Maximilian Auffhammer
University of California, Berkeley Christian Huggel
University of Zurich Ulf Molau
University of Gothenburg
LA Maria Assuncao Silva Dias
University of Sao Paulo Andrew Solow
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Dáithí Stone
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
LA Lourdes Tibig
The Manila Observatory
RE Rik Leemans
Wageningen Univeristy Bernard Seguin
Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique Neville Smith
Bureau of Meteorology
Chapter 19 — Emergent risks and key vulnerabilities
CLA Maximiliano Campos
Organization of American States Michael Oppenheimer
Princeton University
LA Joern Birkmann
United Nations University - Institute for Environment and Human Security George Luber
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Brian O'Neill
National Center for Atmospheric Research
LA Kiyoshi Takahashi
National Institute for Environmental Studies Rachel Warren
University of East Anglia
RE Mike Brklacich
Carleton University Sergey Semenov
Institute of Global Climate and Ecology
Chapter 20 — Climate-resilient pathways: adaptation, mitigation, and sustainable develop
CLA Fatima Denton
International Development Research Centre Thomas Wilbanks
Oak Ridge National Laboratory
LA Ian Burton
University of Toronto Achala Chandani Abeysinghe
International Institute for Environment and Development Qingzhu Gao
Chinese Institute of Environment and Sustainable Development in Agriculture
LA Maria Carmen Lemos
University of Michigan Toshihiko Masui
National Institute for Environmental Studies Karen O'Brien
University of Oslo
LA Koko Warner
United Nations University - Institute for Environment and Human Security
RE Suruchi Bhadwal
The Energy and Resources Institute Walter Leal
Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Jean-Pascal van Ypersele
Université Catholique de Louvain


PART B: REGIONAL ASPECTS


Chapter 21 — Regional context
CLA Bruce Charles Hewitson
University of Cape Town Anthony Janetos
Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
LA Timothy Carter
Finnish Environment Institute Filippo Giorgi
Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics Richard Jones
Met Office Hadley Centre
LA Won-Tae Kwon
National Institute of Meteorological Research Linda Mearns
National Center for Atmospheric Research Lisa Schipper
Stockholm Environment Institute
LA Maarten van Aalst
Red Cross / Red Crescent Climate Centre
RE Tom Downing
Global Climate Adaptation Partnership Phil Duffy
Climate Central, Inc.


Regional Chapters
Chapter 22 — Africa
CLA Isabelle Niang
University Cheikh Anta Diop of Dakar Oliver Ruppel
University of Stellenbosch
LA Mohamed Abdrabo
Institute of Graduate Studies and Research, University of Alexandria Ama Essel
Korle-Bu Teaching Hospital / University of Ghana Medical School Papa Demba Fall
University Cheikh Anta Diop of Dakar, Institut Fondamental d'Afrique Noire
LA Jonathan Padgham
International START Secretariat Marie-Louise Rakotondrafara
Madagascar National Weather Service
RE Pauline Dube
University of Botswana Neil Leary
Dickinson College
Chapter 23 — Europe
CLA Sari Kovats
London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine Riccardo Valentini
University of Tuscia and Euro-Mediterranean Center for Climate Change
LA Laurens Bouwer
Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam Elena Georgopoulou
National Observatory of Athens Daniela Jacob
Climate Service Center, Hamburg
LA Eric Martin
Meteo-France Mark Rounsevell
University of Edinburgh Jean-Francois Soussana
French National Institute for Agriculture, Food and Environment Research
RE Lucka Kajfez Bogataj
University of Ljubljana Roman Corobov
Independent Researcher Joan O. Grimalt
Spanish Council for Scientific Research
Chapter 24 — Asia
CLA Yasuaki Hijioka
National Institute for Environmental Studies Erda Lin
Agro-environment and Sustainable Development Institute Joy Jacqueline Pereira
Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia
LA Richard Corlett
National University of Singapore Xuefeng Cui
Beijing Normal University Gregory Insarov
Institute of Geography of the Russian Academy of Sciences
LA Rodel Lasco
World Agroforestry Center Elisabet Lindgren
Karolinska Institutet Akhilesh Surjan
United Nations University
RE Rosa Perez
Manila Observatory Kazuhiko Takeuchi
United Nations University
Chapter 25 — Australasia
CLA Roger Kitching
Griffith University Andy Reisinger
New Zealand Agricultural Greenhouse Gas Research Centre
LA Francis Chiew
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization - Land and Water Lesley Hughes
Macquarie University Paul Newton
AgResearch
LA Sandra Schuster
Independent Consultant Andrew Tait
National Institute of Water and Atmosphere Penny Whetton
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization - Marine and Atmospheric Research
RE Blair Fitzharris
University of Otago David Karoly
University of Melbourne
Chapter 26 — North America
CLA Patricia Romero Lankao
National Center for Atmospheric Research Joel Smith
Stratus Consulting Inc.
LA Debra Davidson
University of Alberta Noah Diffenbaugh
Stanford University Patrick Kinney
Columbia University
LA Paul Kirshen
University New Hampshire Paul Kovacs
Institute for Catastrophic Loss Reduction Lourdes Villers Ruiz
Centro de Ciencias de la Atmósfera, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
RE Ana Rosa Moreno
School of Medicine, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México Linda Mortsch
Environment Canada
Chapter 27 — Central and South America
CLA Graciela Odilia Magrin
Instituto Nacional de Tecnología Agropecuaria Jose Marengo
Centro de Ciências do Sistema Terrestre (CCST) - Instituto Nacional de Pesquisas Espaciais (INPE)
LA Jean-Phillipe Boulanger
Institut de Recherche pour le Développement Marcos Buckeridge
University of Sao Paulo Edwin Castellanos
Universidad del Valle de Guatemala
LA Carlos Nobre
Ministry of Science and Technology Germán Poveda
Universidad Nacional de Colombia Fabio Scarano
Conservation International
LA Sebastian Vicuna
Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
RE Leonidas Osvaldo Girardin
Fundación Bariloche Jean Ometto
National Institute for Space Research
Chapter 28 — Polar Regions
CLA Oleg Anisimov
State Hydrological Institute Joan Nymand Larsen
Stefansson Arctic Institute
LA Anne Hollowed
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, National Marine Fisheries Service, Alaska Fisheries Science Center Nancy Maynard
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Pål Prestrud
CICERO Center for Climate Research in Oslo
LA Terry Prowse
Environment Canada and University of Victoria John Stone
Carleton University
RE Maria Ananicheva
Institute of Geography Terry Chapin
University of Alaska Fairbanks
Chapter 29 — Small Islands
CLA Roger McLean
University of New South Wales Leonard Nurse
University of the West Indies
LA John Agard
University of the West Indies Lino Pascal Briguglio
Islands and Small States Institute, University of Malta Rolph Payet
University of Seychelles
LA Netatua Pelesikoti
Secretariat of the Pacific Regional Environment Programme Emma Tompkins
University of Southampton (Highfield Campus) Arthur Webb
Secretariat of the Pacific Community - Applied Geoscience and Technology Division (SOPAC)
RE Thomas Spencer
University of Cambridge Kazuya Yasuhara
Ibaraki University
Chapter 30 — Open Oceans
CLA Rongshuo Cai
Third Institute of Oceanography, Chinese State Oceanic Administration Ove Hoegh-Guldberg
University of Queensland
LA Peter G. Brewer
Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute Victoria J. Fabry
California State University, San Marcos Karim Hilmi
Institut National de Recherche Halieutique
LA Sukgeun Jung
Jeju National University Elvira Poloczanska
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO), Marine and Atmospheric Research Svein Sundby
Institute of Marine Research
RE Omar Ly
Environment and Fisheries Department / INGESAHEL-sa Carol Turley
Plymouth Marine Laboratory




You asked for it. As I find more, I will post them.

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OK, here is the first group. These are the head of some of the working groups. As you can imagine, it is an extremely diverse area of scientific study with everything from oceanographers to economists. I just cut and paste from the site.

http://www.ipcc-wg2.gov/AR5/AR5_authors.php#1


Context for the AR5
Chapter 1 — Point of departure
CLA Virginia Burkett
United States Geological Survey Avelino G. Suarez
Institute of Ecology and Systematics, Cuban Environmental Agency
LA Marco Bindi
University of Florence Cecilia Conde
Centro de Ciencias de la Atmósfera, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México William Hare
Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research
LA Rupa Mukerji
HELVETAS Swiss Intercooperation Michael Prather
University of California, Irvine Asuncion Lera St.Clair
Centre for International Climate and Environmental Research-Oslo (CICERO)
LA Gary Yohe
Wesleyan University
RE Hervé Le Treut
Laboratoire de Météorologie Dynamique/ Institut Pierre Simon Laplace Jean Palutikof
Griffith University
Chapter 2 — Foundations for decisionmaking
CLA Roger Jones
Victoria University Anand Patwardhan
Indian Institute of Technology-Bombay
LA Stewart Cohen
Environment Canada Suraje Dessai
University of Leeds Annamaria Lammel
Université Paris 8
LA Robert Lempert
RAND Corporation Monirul Mirza
Environment Canada Hans von Storch
Helmholtz-Zentrum Geesthacht
RE Rosina Bierbaum
University of Michigan Nicholas King
Independent Consultant


Natural and Managed Resources and Systems, and Their Uses
Chapter 3 — Freshwater resources
CLA Blanca Jimenez
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México Taikan Oki
University of Tokyo
LA Nigel Arnell
University of Reading Gerardo Benito
Spanish Council for Scientific Research J. Graham Cogley
Trent University
LA Petra Doell
Goethe University Frankfurt Tong Jiang
China Meteorological Administration Shadrack S. Mwakalila
University of Dar es Salaam
RE Pavel Kabat
International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis (IIASA) Zbigniew Kundzewicz
Polish Academy of Sciences
Chapter 4 — Terrestrial and inland water systems
CLA Robert Scholes
Council for Scientific and Industrial Research Josef Settele
Helmholtz Centre for Environmental Research
LA Richard Betts
Met Office Hadley Centre Stuart Bunn
Griffith University Paul Leadley
Universite Paris-Sud 11
LA Daniel Nepstad
Instituto de Pesquisa Ambiental da Amazônia (IPAM) Jonathan Overpeck
University of Arizona Miguel Angel Taboada
Instituto Nacional de Tecnología Agropecuaria
RE Andreas Fischlin
ETH Zurich, Systems Ecology José Moreno
University of Castilla - La Mancha Terry L. Root
Stanford University
Chapter 5 — Coastal systems and low-lying areas
CLA Iñigo J. Losada
Universidad de Cantabria Poh Poh Wong
National University of Singapore
LA Francesco Bosello
Università Statale of Milan Jean-Pierre Gattuso
Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique Jochen Hinkel
Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research
LA Abdellatif Khattabi
Ecole Nationale Forestiere d'Ingénieurs Kathleen McInnes
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) Yoshiki Saito
National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology
LA Asbury Sallenger
U.S. Geological Survey Anond Snidvongs
Chulalongkorn University
RE Robert Nicholls
University of Southampton Filipe Santos
University of Lisbon
Chapter 6 — Ocean systems
CLA David Karl
University of Hawaii Hans-O. Pörtner
Alfred-Wegener-Institute for Polar and Marine Research
LA Phil Boyd
National Institute of Water and Atmosphere William Cheung
University of British Columbia Salvador Lluch-Cota
Centro de Investigaciones Biológicas del Noroeste, S.C.
LA Yukihiro Nojiri
National Institute for Environmental Studies Daniela Schmidt
University of Bristol Peter Zavialov
P.P. Shirshov Institute of Oceanology
RE Kenneth Drinkwater
Institute of Marine Research Alexander Polonsky
Marine Hydrophysical Institute of National Academy of Sciences
Chapter 7 — Food production systems and food security
CLA John R. Porter
University of Copenhagen Liyong Xie
Shenyang Agricultural University
LA Andrew Challinor
University of Leeds Kevern Cochrane
Mark Howden
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization
LA Muhammad Mohsin Iqbal
Global Change Impact Studies Centre David Lobell
Stanford University María Isabel Travasso
Instituto Nacional de Tecnología Agropecuaria
RE Pramod Aggarwal
Indian Agricultural Research Institute, New Delhi Kaija Hakala
MTT Agrifood Research Finland


Human Settlements, Industry, and Infrastructure
Chapter 8 — Urban areas
CLA Aromar Revi
Indian Institute for Human Settlements David Satterthwaite
International Institute for Environment and Development
LA Fernando Aragon
Centro Mario Molina Jan Corfee-Morlot
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development Robert B. R. Kiunsi
Ardhi University
LA Mark Pelling
King's College London Debra Roberts
Ethekwini Municipality William Solecki
City University of New York
RE John Balbus
National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences Omar-Dario Cardona
Universidad Nacional de Colombia
Chapter 9 — Rural areas
CLA Purnamita Dasgupta
Institute of Economic Growth John Morton
Natural Resources Institute, University of Greenwich
LA David Dodman
International Institute for Environment and Development Baris Karapinar
University of Bern Francisco Meza
Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
LA Marta Rivera-Ferre
Center for Research of Agro-food Economy and Development Aissa Toure Sarr
Int'l Fund for Agricultural Development (IFAD) Katharine Vincent
Kulima Integrated Development Solutions
RE Habib Amamou
Ministry of Agriculture, Water Resources and Fisheries Edward Carr
University of South Carolina
Chapter 10 — Key economic sectors and services
CLA Douglas Arent
National Renewable Energy Laboratory Richard S.J. Tol
Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
LA Eberhard Faust
Munich Reinsurance Company Joseph P. Hella
Sokoine University of Agriculture Surender Kumar
University of Delhi
LA Ken Strzepek
UNU - World Institute for Development Economics Research/MIT Ferenc L. Tóth
International Atomic Energy Agency Denghua Yan
China Institute of Water Resources and Hydropower Research
RE Amjad Abdulla
Ministry of Housing and Environment Haroon Kheshgi
ExxonMobil Corporate Strategic Research He Xu
Center for Strategic Environmental Assessment, Nankai University


Human Health, Well-Being, and Security
Chapter 11 — Human health
CLA Kirk R. Smith
University of California, Berkeley Alistair Woodward
University of Auckland
LA Diarmid Campbell-Lendrum
World Health Organization Dave Chadee
University of the West Indies Rita Colwell
University of Maryland College Park
LA Yasushi Honda
University of Tsukuba Qiyong Liu
National Institute for Communicable Disease Control and Prevention, Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention Jane Mukarugwiza Olwoch
Department of Geography, Geo-informatics & Meteorology, University of Pretoria
LA Boris Revich
Institute of Forecasting Russian Academy of Science Rainer Sauerborn
Umeå University
RE Ulisses Confalonieri
Oswaldo Cruz Foundation Andrew Haines
London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Chapter 12 — Human security
CLA Neil Adger
Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, University of East Anglia Juan Pulhin
University of the Philippine Los Baños
LA Jonathon Barnett
University of Melbourne Geoff Dabelko
Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars Grete Hovelsrud
Center for International Climate and Environmental Research - Oslo
LA Patricia Kameri-Mbote
Strathmore University Marc Levy
Columbia University Ursula Oswald-Spring
Centro Regional de Investigaciones Multidiscipinarias, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
RE Paulina Aldunce
University of Chile Robin Leichenko
Rutgers University
Chapter 13 — Livelihoods and poverty
CLA Lennart Olsson
Lund University Maggie Opondo
University of Nairobi, Kenya Petra Tschakert
Pennsylvania State University
LA Arun Agrawal
University of Michigan Siri Eriksen
Norwegian University of Life Sciences Shiming Ma
Institute of Environment and Sustainable Development in Agriculture
LA Tom Mitchell
Overseas Development Institute Sumaya Zakieldeen
Khartoum University
RE Etienne Piguet
University of Neuchatel Rita Sharma
Retired Secretary to Government of India


Adaptation
Chapter 14 — Adaptation needs and options
CLA Saleemul Huq
International Institute for Environment and Development Ian Noble
Consultant
LA Yury Anokhin
Institute of Global Climate and Ecology JoAnn Carmin
Massachusetts Institute of Technology Dieudonne Goudou
High Commission of Niger Valley Development
LA Felino Lansigan
University of the Philippine Los Baños Balgis Osman-Elasha
African Development Bank Alicia Villamizar
Universidad Simón Bolívar
RE Anthony Patt
International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis Kuniyoshi Takeuchi
International Centre for Water Hazard and Risk Management
Chapter 15 — Adaptation planning and implementation
CLA Nobuo Mimura
Ibaraki University Roger Pulwarty
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
LA Do Minh Duc
Hanoi University of Science Ibrahim Elshinnawy
National Water Research Center, Egypt Margaret Hiza Redsteer
U.S. Geological Survey
LA He-Qing Huang
Chinese Academy of Sciences Johnson Ndi Nkem
United Nations Development Programme Roberto A. Sanchez Rodriguez
El Colegio de la Frontera Norte
RE Richard Moss
Joint Global Change Research Institute – Pacific Northwest National Laboratory Walter Vergara
Inter-American Development Bank
Chapter 16 — Adaptation opportunities, constraints, and limits
CLA Richard Klein
Stockholm Environment Institute Guy Midgley
South African National Biodiversity Institute Benjamin Preston
Oak Ridge National Laboratory
LA Mozaharul Alam
United Nations Environment Programme Frans Berkhout
VU University Kirstin Dow
University of South Carolina / Carolinas RISA
LA Yu'e Li
Chinese Institute of Environment and Sustainable Development in Agriculture Elena Mateescu
National Meteorological Administration Rebecca Shaw
The Nature Conservancy
RE Habiba Gitay
The World Bank James Thurlow
United Nations University's World Institute for Development Economics Research
Chapter 17 — Economics of adaptation
CLA Muyeye Chambwera
International Institute for Environment and Development Geoff Heal
Columbia Business School
LA Carolina Dubeux
Federal University of Rio de Janeiro Stephane Hallegatte
CIRED and Meteo-France Liza Leclerc
Independent Consultant
LA Anil Markandya
Basque Centre for Climate Change Bruce McCarl
Texas A&M University Reinhard Mechler
International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis
LA James Neumann
Industrial Economics, Incorporated
RE Eduardo Calvo
Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos Ana Iglesias
Polytechnic University of Madrid Stale Navrud
Norwegian University of Life Sciences


Multi-Sector Impacts, Risks, Vulnerabilities, and Opportunities
Chapter 18 — Detection and attribution of observed impacts
CLA Wolfgang Cramer
Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research Gary Yohe
Wesleyan University
LA Maximilian Auffhammer
University of California, Berkeley Christian Huggel
University of Zurich Ulf Molau
University of Gothenburg
LA Maria Assuncao Silva Dias
University of Sao Paulo Andrew Solow
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Dáithí Stone
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
LA Lourdes Tibig
The Manila Observatory
RE Rik Leemans
Wageningen Univeristy Bernard Seguin
Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique Neville Smith
Bureau of Meteorology
Chapter 19 — Emergent risks and key vulnerabilities
CLA Maximiliano Campos
Organization of American States Michael Oppenheimer
Princeton University
LA Joern Birkmann
United Nations University - Institute for Environment and Human Security George Luber
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Brian O'Neill
National Center for Atmospheric Research
LA Kiyoshi Takahashi
National Institute for Environmental Studies Rachel Warren
University of East Anglia
RE Mike Brklacich
Carleton University Sergey Semenov
Institute of Global Climate and Ecology
Chapter 20 — Climate-resilient pathways: adaptation, mitigation, and sustainable develop
CLA Fatima Denton
International Development Research Centre Thomas Wilbanks
Oak Ridge National Laboratory
LA Ian Burton
University of Toronto Achala Chandani Abeysinghe
International Institute for Environment and Development Qingzhu Gao
Chinese Institute of Environment and Sustainable Development in Agriculture
LA Maria Carmen Lemos
University of Michigan Toshihiko Masui
National Institute for Environmental Studies Karen O'Brien
University of Oslo
LA Koko Warner
United Nations University - Institute for Environment and Human Security
RE Suruchi Bhadwal
The Energy and Resources Institute Walter Leal
Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Jean-Pascal van Ypersele
Université Catholique de Louvain


PART B: REGIONAL ASPECTS


Chapter 21 — Regional context
CLA Bruce Charles Hewitson
University of Cape Town Anthony Janetos
Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
LA Timothy Carter
Finnish Environment Institute Filippo Giorgi
Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics Richard Jones
Met Office Hadley Centre
LA Won-Tae Kwon
National Institute of Meteorological Research Linda Mearns
National Center for Atmospheric Research Lisa Schipper
Stockholm Environment Institute
LA Maarten van Aalst
Red Cross / Red Crescent Climate Centre
RE Tom Downing
Global Climate Adaptation Partnership Phil Duffy
Climate Central, Inc.


Regional Chapters
Chapter 22 — Africa
CLA Isabelle Niang
University Cheikh Anta Diop of Dakar Oliver Ruppel
University of Stellenbosch
LA Mohamed Abdrabo
Institute of Graduate Studies and Research, University of Alexandria Ama Essel
Korle-Bu Teaching Hospital / University of Ghana Medical School Papa Demba Fall
University Cheikh Anta Diop of Dakar, Institut Fondamental d'Afrique Noire
LA Jonathan Padgham
International START Secretariat Marie-Louise Rakotondrafara
Madagascar National Weather Service
RE Pauline Dube
University of Botswana Neil Leary
Dickinson College
Chapter 23 — Europe
CLA Sari Kovats
London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine Riccardo Valentini
University of Tuscia and Euro-Mediterranean Center for Climate Change
LA Laurens Bouwer
Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam Elena Georgopoulou
National Observatory of Athens Daniela Jacob
Climate Service Center, Hamburg
LA Eric Martin
Meteo-France Mark Rounsevell
University of Edinburgh Jean-Francois Soussana
French National Institute for Agriculture, Food and Environment Research
RE Lucka Kajfez Bogataj
University of Ljubljana Roman Corobov
Independent Researcher Joan O. Grimalt
Spanish Council for Scientific Research
Chapter 24 — Asia
CLA Yasuaki Hijioka
National Institute for Environmental Studies Erda Lin
Agro-environment and Sustainable Development Institute Joy Jacqueline Pereira
Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia
LA Richard Corlett
National University of Singapore Xuefeng Cui
Beijing Normal University Gregory Insarov
Institute of Geography of the Russian Academy of Sciences
LA Rodel Lasco
World Agroforestry Center Elisabet Lindgren
Karolinska Institutet Akhilesh Surjan
United Nations University
RE Rosa Perez
Manila Observatory Kazuhiko Takeuchi
United Nations University
Chapter 25 — Australasia
CLA Roger Kitching
Griffith University Andy Reisinger
New Zealand Agricultural Greenhouse Gas Research Centre
LA Francis Chiew
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization - Land and Water Lesley Hughes
Macquarie University Paul Newton
AgResearch
LA Sandra Schuster
Independent Consultant Andrew Tait
National Institute of Water and Atmosphere Penny Whetton
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization - Marine and Atmospheric Research
RE Blair Fitzharris
University of Otago David Karoly
University of Melbourne
Chapter 26 — North America
CLA Patricia Romero Lankao
National Center for Atmospheric Research Joel Smith
Stratus Consulting Inc.
LA Debra Davidson
University of Alberta Noah Diffenbaugh
Stanford University Patrick Kinney
Columbia University
LA Paul Kirshen
University New Hampshire Paul Kovacs
Institute for Catastrophic Loss Reduction Lourdes Villers Ruiz
Centro de Ciencias de la Atmósfera, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
RE Ana Rosa Moreno
School of Medicine, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México Linda Mortsch
Environment Canada
Chapter 27 — Central and South America
CLA Graciela Odilia Magrin
Instituto Nacional de Tecnología Agropecuaria Jose Marengo
Centro de Ciências do Sistema Terrestre (CCST) - Instituto Nacional de Pesquisas Espaciais (INPE)
LA Jean-Phillipe Boulanger
Institut de Recherche pour le Développement Marcos Buckeridge
University of Sao Paulo Edwin Castellanos
Universidad del Valle de Guatemala
LA Carlos Nobre
Ministry of Science and Technology Germán Poveda
Universidad Nacional de Colombia Fabio Scarano
Conservation International
LA Sebastian Vicuna
Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
RE Leonidas Osvaldo Girardin
Fundación Bariloche Jean Ometto
National Institute for Space Research
Chapter 28 — Polar Regions
CLA Oleg Anisimov
State Hydrological Institute Joan Nymand Larsen
Stefansson Arctic Institute
LA Anne Hollowed
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, National Marine Fisheries Service, Alaska Fisheries Science Center Nancy Maynard
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Pål Prestrud
CICERO Center for Climate Research in Oslo
LA Terry Prowse
Environment Canada and University of Victoria John Stone
Carleton University
RE Maria Ananicheva
Institute of Geography Terry Chapin
University of Alaska Fairbanks
Chapter 29 — Small Islands
CLA Roger McLean
University of New South Wales Leonard Nurse
University of the West Indies
LA John Agard
University of the West Indies Lino Pascal Briguglio
Islands and Small States Institute, University of Malta Rolph Payet
University of Seychelles
LA Netatua Pelesikoti
Secretariat of the Pacific Regional Environment Programme Emma Tompkins
University of Southampton (Highfield Campus) Arthur Webb
Secretariat of the Pacific Community - Applied Geoscience and Technology Division (SOPAC)
RE Thomas Spencer
University of Cambridge Kazuya Yasuhara
Ibaraki University
Chapter 30 — Open Oceans
CLA Rongshuo Cai
Third Institute of Oceanography, Chinese State Oceanic Administration Ove Hoegh-Guldberg
University of Queensland
LA Peter G. Brewer
Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute Victoria J. Fabry
California State University, San Marcos Karim Hilmi
Institut National de Recherche Halieutique
LA Sukgeun Jung
Jeju National University Elvira Poloczanska
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO), Marine and Atmospheric Research Svein Sundby
Institute of Marine Research
RE Omar Ly
Environment and Fisheries Department / INGESAHEL-sa Carol Turley
Plymouth Marine Laboratory




You asked for it. As I find more, I will post them.
Now, have you read all of these persons works? You believe them to be accurate and honest? I will bookmark this page and do some research. Thanks, mike

[RoBoTeq]

what "guest experts"? And no, look back 20-30 years and tell me what environmental industry had money to throw around. NONE, that is how many. Greenpeace had money from individuals and no one got rich from their efforts.

There are green industries now, only because those before sacrificed a lot to get out an very unpopular message. You don't have asbestos in your insulation because of these scientists, you don't have lead in your gas for the same reason, lead in your solder, same reason, scrubbers on coal plants, same reason, stinky first generation diesels, same reason. Do you really want me to go on? None of this would have happened if there was not research and industry doesn't pay for things that cost them money.

None of you answered my point about asthma....would you be happy if your little girl was suffering from something you can prevent? I don't think so.
Your post absolutely exemplifies what has happened to environmental integrity. Back when environmental groups were dependent on private contributors, they had to be responsible and honest. With government intervention, these organizations have become as corrupt as the politicians they are paying off to create regulations supporting them using money confiscated from citizens by those same corrupt politicians.

Even one of the founders and first presidents of GreenPeace left the eco-scammer organizations in disgust over what they had become; http://www.theblaze.com/stories/greenpeace-founder-questions-man-made-global-warming/

[coolwhip]

This isn't 10's of thousands, you need to do some more work solar boy so your numbers are accurate....make sure you count them!

[SolarMike]

No, I have not read all these peoples work. That would be a monumental task, BUT, I have read the executive summaries of many of the sections of the reports. Most of it is bloody boring.

To get to the point of inclusion in this kind of report, you must have impeccable credentials. Your research must stand up to criticism, a lot of it. Real science does not have bias, left or right, religious or atheistic, and it is a journey, not an end point.

[RoBoTeq]

I know very well what subsidies do and don't do and I have been in this business since the mid 80s. Some subsidies are worth it and some are not. I really don't think you understand the scientific process or you would never have made that first paragraph. Scientists ALWAYS question their findings, it is part of scientific discovery. It is only a person with a vested interest in another view who cannot see that. Studies will continue because the situation keeps changing, unfortunately for the worse.
And here is the elitist bullcrap accusations that "no one but us understands science".

SM! We are not stupid and we are onto the deceitful nature of people like you. No matter how much you people keep called a pig a duck, it is still a pig. Global warming is a natural process that has been occurring for millions of years. Science didn't turn into so much crap on a cracker until governments and eco-scammers climbed into bed with one another for a very expensive love fest between the two.

Now, not only do need to continue to clean up our acts for our contributions to real environmental issues, now we have to clean up all of the crap that eco-scammers have spread throughout the world while wasting over a trillion dollars of government confiscated money that could have been put to a lot better use.

There is a word for people who continue to support eco-scammers; despicable.

[SolarMike]

Your post absolutely exemplifies what has happened to environmental integrity. Back when environmental groups were dependent on private contributors, they had to be responsible and honest. With government intervention, these organizations have become as corrupt as the politicians they are paying off to create regulations supporting them using money confiscated from citizens by those same corrupt politicians.

Even one of the founders and first presidents of GreenPeace left the eco-scammer organizations in disgust over what they had become; http://www.theblaze.com/stories/greenpeace-founder-questions-man-made-global-warming/

Are you kidding? You quote one person who breaks off from Greenpeace and consider that proof of anything. That is beneath you Robo.

Show the payoffs and ask yourself why would they do it and what would they have to gain. Your statement is a load of BS.

I am still waiting for your list.

[RoBoTeq]

Oh, you just opened yourself up.....name the environmental scientists who have been exposed and prove they are leftist. You obviously believe you know who they are because I don't.

I don't make it my habit to slag any scientist as left or right only right or wrong. And I cannot win when any scientist that says we created this global warming (or at least made it a lot worse) is considered a liar by you.

Some people are deniers only because they are comfortable in their little cloistered world. I do not want to think you are one of them.
Another despicable act of weaseling out of a claim you made. Since you cannot show any support for your claim that conservative scientists have lied about global warming and climate change, you are attempting to make up a bunch of rules for me to show the hundreds of documented eco-scammers who have lied.

I can play your little deceitful game too, SM. As long as you are going to play the "stipulations in order to answer game", you answer me a similar "stipulation" question; Yes or no; Does your mother know what a flaming leftist deceitful person you are? :whistle:

[RoBoTeq]

I hope you will ask Robo to do the same.

It is normal for anyone who gives an opinion or gives evidence to be held under a much stronger microscope than the guy that does not rock the boat. These guys have always had to justify their claims.

Are you sure you want them all? we are talking 10s of thousands around the world.
More deceit. If leftist liars cannot control the questions, they refuse to provide any answers.

[SolarMike]

I don't see you putting ANYTHING on the table.....because you can't

[RoBoTeq]

Now, have you read all of these persons works? You believe them to be accurate and honest? I will bookmark this page and do some research. Thanks, mike
This is not what SM claimed to be able to provide. SM claimed that conservative scientists have been caught lying about global warming as much as leftist scientists have.

All SM has done is to avoid showing anything to support his deceitful claims. He is doing exactly what all liars do; changing the conversation to avoid answering questions that will prove he is lying.

[SolarMike]

You still haven't put anything on the table and I asked you to do so. I will take your lack of real input as inability to actually prove the left is lying.