Are you sleeping, Geer?

[ralphtheplumber]

The President has a new, even lower approval rating (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=azX3JBNur5XU&refer=us) and you didn't post it. Just wanted to make sure everything was ok..

Now, for the geographically and/or mathematically challenged, USA Today and Gallup are both out of D.C.

If we go back and check the 2004 election results, we see that the District of Columbia went 90% for Kerry, vs 9% for Bush.

So, what they're really saying is that Bush's approval rating there has increased 244% [from 9% to 31%] since the last election.

[tonys]

strippers like poles...

[geerair]

Originally posted by ralphtheplumber
The President has a new, even lower approval rating (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=azX3JBNur5XU&refer=us) and you didn't post it. Just wanted to make sure everything was ok..Got bored with it.




Now, for the geographically and/or mathematically challenged, USA Today and Gallup are both out of D.C.

If we go back and check the 2004 election results, we see that the District of Columbia went 90% for Kerry, vs 9% for Bush.

So, what they're really saying is that Bush's approval rating there has increased 244% [from 9% to 31%] since the last election. Now for the geographically, mathematically and poll methodology challenged, Gallup is out of Princeton, N.J.

Poll sampling is conducted on a nationwide basis.

Poll methodology requires the samples be drawn from all areas of the U.S. proportional to their population.

So ralph's conclusion is factually incorrect due to his lack of knowledge of how polls are conducted.

[ralphtheplumber]

Originally posted by geerair
Now for the geographically, mathematically and poll methodology challenged, Gallup is out of Princeton, N.J.
Really? are you sure (http://www.gallup.com/content/default.aspx?ci=1345) about that?

Gallup World Headquarters
901 F Street, NW
Washington, D.C. 20004
Tel: +1-202-715-3030
Fax: +1-202-715-3041


Originally posted by geerair
Poll sampling is conducted on a nationwide basis.

Poll methodology requires the samples be drawn from all areas of the U.S. proportional to their population.

So ralph's conclusion is factually incorrect due to his lack of knowledge of how polls are conducted.

No, I don't think so. It doesn't say anything about that either in the sampling information or anywhere on the gallup site that I can find.

Actually, they even include this nice disclaimer:


In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

Hey, do you remember a couple years ago when that election got called a little bit too early because of some public opinion polls? :D

[tonys]

are you mess'n with Geer's poll-utopia?

[l•k]

~!@#$%^&* (http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=Gallup,+NM)

[geerair]

Originally posted by ralphtheplumber
Really? are you sure (http://www.gallup.com/content/default.aspx?ci=1345) about that?

Gallup World Headquarters
901 F Street, NW
Washington, D.C. 20004
Tel: +1-202-715-3030
Fax: +1-202-715-3041

The Gallup Poll section lists Princeton, N.J.




No, I don't think so. It doesn't say anything about that either in the sampling information or anywhere on the gallup site that I can find.Look under FAQS. Here is the link to their methodology.

http://media.gallup.com/PDF/FAQ/HowArePolls.pdf








Actually, they even include this nice disclaimer:

[quote]In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls. Yes, that is standard.


Hey, do you remember a couple years ago when that election got called a little bit too early because of some public opinion polls? :D Not public opinion polls, exit polls.

[ralphtheplumber]

67% of the pipefitters I just surveyed report that the President is doing a great job. 33% have no opinion.

[homeownerplus]

"In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls."


Thats because they target as many libs as possible!!!

[chillbilly]

Polls are as useless as the people who swear by them.

[skrewt]

The thing I find most interesting about polls is when you look at measurable results such as voter polls, the margin of error is always reported as a +/- 3 points.
When the voting is over the polls are usually more than 10 points off.
Who exactly determines these margins of error? Forrest Gump?

Sadly, there is no way to measure the accuracy of an approval poll. We will never know if the pollsters are taking liberties with their venue.

[chillbilly]

Polls are a media tool used mainly to perpetuate myth or an agenda.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by l•k
~!@#$%^&* (http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=Gallup,+NM)

Aha! It's out of NM.