Economy solid under Bush

[chillbilly]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/28/business/28cnd-econ.html?ex=1303876800&en=fe67da8063a5442b&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

I wonder how the economy would be faring if the gas woes didn't exist?
Not a president in our history with a better understanding of economics.

[cehs]

I'll bet the NY times HATED to print good news about the economy...

[bootlen]

I made more money last year than ever before and paid fewer taxes than in the last 3 years. Business is booming around here. Ya can't beat that!

[James 3528]

I think I have made more money already this year than last and last year was fantastic.

[chillbilly]

I am ahead of business projections for this year by 10%.
Never enjoyed the type of profits I am seeing and I'm just getting into the busy season.

[johnl45]

Um, four right-wingers say there’re are making lots of money. This has a familiar ring!

[James 3528]

Originally posted by johnl45
Um, four right-wingers say there’re are making lots of money. This has a familiar ring!

Yes, Americans working. Pisses Liberals off.

[chillbilly]

Funny stuff, John.
Which pisses you off more, the fact that we are not liberal or the fact that we earn our money instead of waiting for a handout or sympathizing with those who do?

[acmanko]

You Idiots, you're earning more because you raised rates to pay for the increase in overhead due to high energy prices, high steel price, high copper prices and high r-22 prices. If you use a simple markup of 3.0 everything will look like more since it costs more in the first place. after ya'll graduate from the sixth grade, take some economics.

[smokin68]

The "Trickle Down" effect should be happening any time now......








oh that's when they pee on the poor.

[johnl45]

Originally posted by James 3528

Originally posted by johnl45
Um, four right-wingers say there’re are making lots of money. This has a familiar ring!

Yes, Americans working. Pisses Liberals off.
"How about Illegal immigrants working for substandard wages that’s the Bush way"

FOX 'NEWS' POLL: Bush Approval at 33%
Hume, Hannity, Gibson, Limbaugh Forced to Come Up With New Excuses
(We predict it'll all be the fault of the 'Liberal Media' of course)

[James 3528]

Originally posted by acmanko
You Idiots, you're earning more because you raised rates to pay for the increase in overhead due to high energy prices, high steel price, high copper prices and high r-22 prices. If you use a simple markup of 3.0 everything will look like more since it costs more in the first place. after ya'll graduate from the sixth grade, take some economics.

This from someone that works for someone else.

[coolwhip]

The economy sucks right now in MI. Im sure you all know that though.

How Can the economy be good when folks have no job security, are afraid of the stock market, and we are sending jobs over seas?

The economy might be good for the rich but not for the middle class.

[James 3528]

Well, that will be good for the lower class, the rich pay most of the taxes that are redistributed to them . Michigan should stop blaming all their problems on the economy and start looking at themselves as the reason to why things are bad there. You could lose a car in the pot holes because their liberal state government puts state funds into entitlements.

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by acmanko
You Idiots...If you use a simple markup of 3.0 everything will look like more since it costs more in the first place. after ya'll graduate from the sixth grade, take some economics. Tell us, does everything come in three’s to you, welfare check, standing at the corner drinking MD 20/20 and multiplying your material by three?

[James 3528]

LOL ...


Everything comes to him in fifths


Jack Daniels and Lord Calvert

[coolwhip]

The rich pay most of the taxes? Seems like their always trying to avoid paying taxes.

[James 3528]

Originally posted by coolwhip
The rich pay most of the taxes? Seems like their always trying to avoid paying taxes.

"Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. In all years since 1990, taxpayers in this group have paid over 94 percent of all individual income taxes. In 2000, 2001, and 2002, this group paid over 96 percent of the total."
The poor in fact get the earned income tax credit which simply means a free check on taxes they did not pay that is taken from the other tax payers

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometaxandtheirs/a/whopaysmost.htm
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/top_50__of_wage_earners_pay_96_09__of_income_taxes .Par.0008.ImageFile.jpg

[James 3528]

Originally posted by coolwhip
The rich pay most of the taxes? Seems like their always trying to avoid paying taxes. Who doesn't? Do you know someone that pays extra?

[hvacpope]

I agree, Bush tax cuts moved the stalling economy that we inherited from Bill Clinton, the last two years were great money wise, this year so far so good, if he was as good with the rest of the stuff as he is with economic matters, his ratings wouldn’t be so low.
Bush loves to play the “crowd pleaser, reach out” game, he waits until the democrats cornered him, to take action, in my opinion he got no spine or balls, In the sorry days of Clinton, we all knew he was a lib, He acted like one and did what his constituencies wanted him to do. Bush in the other hand, disappointed the great majority of people that got him elected.

[chillbilly]

Read the article in the opening post if you are having trouble figuring out what drives our economy.
When the economy thrives, more goods are produced, bought and sold. This helps people of ALL classes.Basic economics.
The leading economic indicators point to substantial economic growth. Period.
I guess it's too hard for the liberals to give credit where credit is due.
The president has worked very closely with the Fed and monitored the economy with precision.
The Fed has adjusted interest rates as needed, to promote the type of growth now being observed.

[smokin68]

Originally posted by James 3528

Originally posted by coolwhip
The rich pay most of the taxes? Seems like their always trying to avoid paying taxes. Who doesn't? Do you know someone that pays extra?


Actually I do. My former employer who was a pretty savy business owner. He said it wasn't worth his time to get audited, so he wouldn't take anywhere near the deductions he was allowed.

[geerair]

Why, all you Wharton Business School grads used to insist that the President had no effect on the economy.

Not a president in history with a better understanding of economics? Bawhahahahah.

Shrub ran two businesses into the ground even with daddy's business and political connections and massive infusions of Arab money.

The only money he ever made was due to his name and slimy emminent domain rulings.

Understanding economics? Shrub has shown business acumen barely equal to the task of running a lemonade stand in his daddy's neighborhood.

[MadeinUSA]

Yeah geer, too bad we have a president that actually knows how to draw the golf ball instead of being a willy wacking slicer like the last lame brain who was in office and let the markets run away with no ability nor mindset to control it.

Funny how you can not give credit where credit is do as far as the economy is concerned. It must be burning an ulcer the size of Lake Erie in your girlieman tummies. LMAO

[geerair]

Originally posted by madeinusa
Funny how you can not give credit where credit is do as far as the economy is concerned. It must be burning an ulcer the size of Lake Erie in your girlieman tummies. LMAOWeren't you the main promoter of the idea that the president has little or no effect on the economy?

Yes, yes, it was you.

[James 3528]

You missed any rounds of Golf lately?

[outside rep]

Originally posted by James 3528
You missed any rounds of Golf lately?

No , and bush is still a idiot

he spells worse then me LOL :D

[James 3528]

Originally posted by outside rep

Originally posted by James 3528
You missed any rounds of Golf lately?

No , and bush is still a idiot

he spells worse then me LOL :D

Why is $903,774.00 in your tag line?

[outside rep]

Total equipment sold for the year In five months

[outside rep]

And then your going to say was last year as good as this year and I dont know since this is the frist time as a rep

so i will let you know next year :D

[geerair]

Originally posted by James 3528
You missed any rounds of Golf lately?I do credit Bush with making golf courses less crowded and tee time more easily obtained.

[James 3528]

160 new courses will open this year

[geerair]

Excellent!!!! More tee times even less crowding.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by James 3528
You missed any rounds of Golf lately?I do credit Bush with making golf courses less crowded and tee time more easily obtained.

Yep. Comes from having jobs for all those slacker type duffers like yerself.

[geerair]

Ummmm......not on the weekends Bootsie.

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by madeinusa
Funny how you can not give credit where credit is do as far as the economy is concerned. It must be burning an ulcer the size of Lake Erie in your girlieman tummies. LMAOWeren't you the main promoter of the idea that the president has little or no effect on the economy?

Yes, yes, it was you.
No sir. That could NOT have been me, because I fully realize policies implemented by the president like lowering taxes has a great affect on driving the economy.

On the other hand shallow minded people are unable to realize how lowering taxes actually produces more revenue from a thriving economy the lower taxes created, and ultimately the country receives more money through business taxes. Would you be one of the people who fall into this category?

[geerair]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by madeinusa
No sir. That could NOT have been me, because I fully realize policies implemented by the president like lowering taxes has a great affect on driving the economy.

[quote]Yeah it was you.

Apparently your view of economic theory changes depending on which party occupies the Whitehouse.

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by geerair
Apparently your view of economic theory changes depending on which party occupies the Whitehouse.You are obviously delusional, and should not stand 50 yards out front on the driving range and allow others to hit low projecting golf balls laying back in their stance at your head.

[MadeinUSA]

Secondly, I am curious how you can come up with what my views are when there has only been one party in the White house since I have been on this board.

Would you care to explain the rational of this reasoning ability? It should be entertaining for us all.

[player89]

Originally posted by madeinusa

Originally posted by geerair
Apparently your view of economic theory changes depending on which party occupies the Whitehouse.You are obviously delusional, and should not stand 50 yards out front on the driving range and allow others to hit low projecting golf balls laying back in their stance at your head.

No one is sure if geer ever gets to the driving range....he may spend all of his time on the putting green since he complains about his putting more than anything else.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by player89

Originally posted by madeinusa

Originally posted by geerair
Apparently your view of economic theory changes depending on which party occupies the Whitehouse.You are obviously delusional, and should not stand 50 yards out front on the driving range and allow others to hit low projecting golf balls laying back in their stance at your head.

No one is sure if geer ever gets to the driving range....he may spend all of his time on the putting green since he complains about his putting more than anything else.

Likely has "putter" problems. I guess tony plays with it too much.

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by player89

Originally posted by madeinusa

Originally posted by geerair
Apparently your view of economic theory changes depending on which party occupies the Whitehouse.You are obviously delusional, and should not stand 50 yards out front on the driving range and allow others to hit low projecting golf balls laying back in their stance at your head.

No one is sure if geer ever gets to the driving range....he may spend all of his time on the putting green since he complains about his putting more than anything else. What is so hard about the putting stroke? All you do is let your arms and shoulders form a V, and let your arms swing like a pendulum. Oh, you have to have the ability to read the way the grain is growing, and judge all the undulations to the green. Yeah, that’s right. Hmm, guess there is a little more to it huh. :D

[geerair]

Originally posted by madeinusa
Secondly, I am curious how you can come up with what my views are when there has only been one party in the White house since I have been on this board.I see. So if we go back into the archives there will not be one word uttered by you concerning your views of the Clinton presidency and its economic policies?

[geerair]

Originally posted by madeinusa
You are obviously delusional, and should not stand 50 yards out front on the driving range and allow others to hit low projecting golf balls laying back in their stance at your head.It has not been my policy to emulate your actions.

[geerair]

Originally posted by player89
No one is sure if geer ever gets to the driving range....he may spend all of his time on the putting green since he complains about his putting more than anything else. Well, I've got to start getting to the course earlier. I usually only have enough time to warm up and roll a few on the practice putting green.

[geerair]

Originally posted by madeinusa
What is so hard about the putting stroke? All you do is let your arms and shoulders form a V, and let your arms swing like a pendulum. Oh, you have to have the ability to read the way the grain is growing, and judge all the undulations to the green. Yeah, that’s right. Hmm, guess there is a little more to it huh. :D Just a bit. :D

[player89]

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by player89
No one is sure if geer ever gets to the driving range....he may spend all of his time on the putting green since he complains about his putting more than anything else. Well, I've got to start getting to the course earlier. I usually only have enough time to warm up and roll a few on the practice putting green.



Get out there early enough and often enough and you may be the first person in the world to evolve into being able to putt and make in the dark without night vision goggles.

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by madeinusa
Secondly, I am curious how you can come up with what my views are when there has only been one party in the White house since I have been on this board.I see. So if we go back into the archives there will not be one word uttered by you concerning your views of the Clinton presidency and its economic policies?I wouldn't call the clintonian presidency a presidency.

[geerair]

Originally posted by madeinusa
I wouldn't call the clintonian presidency a presidency. And with that response I have my answer.

[outside rep]

I have played 15 times so far this year :D
Shooting around a 88-95 depending how the day goes and
if I am shooting straight with driver

played yesterday and shot a 89 :D 42 in the front 47 in the back :D

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by madeinusa
I wouldn't call the clintonian presidency a presidency. And with that response I have my answer. And you didn't dispute the fact he was an idiot either, so I have my evaluation correct.

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by outside rep
I have played 15 times so far this year :D
Shooting around a 88-95 depending how the day goes and
if I am shooting straight with driver

played yesterday and shot a 89 :D 42 in the front 47 in the back :D It looks like the lady driving the beer cart frequented your group more often on the back nine.

[chillbilly]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by geerair

Understanding economics? Shrub has shown business acumen barely equal to the task of running a lemonade stand in his daddy's neighborhood.



Which businesses did he run into the ground?
Post some fact without the usual babble.


College Education: Yale and Harvard. George got a Masters in Business Administration from Harvard in 1975.

Last time I checked, Harvard wasn't giving away Masters Degrees in Business Admin.

I heard that your hero, Clinton had a masters in blowjobology. LOL!

[acmanko]

One was the Texas Rangers, Major league , major screwup, they havent gotten over it yet.

[rob10]

Originally posted by chillbilly
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by geerair

Understanding economics? Shrub has shown business acumen barely equal to the task of running a lemonade stand in his daddy's neighborhood.



Which businesses did he run into the ground?
Post some fact without the usual babble.


College Education: Yale and Harvard. George got a Masters in Business Administration from Harvard in 1975.

Last time I checked, Harvard wasn't giving away Masters Degrees in Business Admin.

I heard that your hero, Clinton had a masters in blowjobology. LOL!
Rhodes Scholar.

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly

Which businesses did he run into the ground?
Post some fact without the usual babble.Arbusto Oil and Spectrum 7.



Last time I checked, Harvard wasn't giving away Masters Degrees in Business Admin.Didn't have to give it away. Bush's daddy bought it for Shrub.






I heard that your hero, Clinton had a masters in blowjobology. Hmmmmm.......Anybody got a course catalog for Clinton's school?

[chillbilly]

Slick-Willie's education is easily researchable. That rhodes scholar line is getting tired, especially since ole' willie wasn't smart enough to keep from getting caught by an eavesdropper and an intern. LOL!
I mean, if you're gonna' brag about the guys education it would seem reasonable that some little fat chick wouldn't have been able to pin his dumb a$$ against the wall and reduce him to being a liar, and a public liar at that.


So, geer is now insinuating that our president purchased his degree. LOL! What an ignorant little prick you are!

Your listed names of businesses that our president supposedly failed in, comes up with no such conclusions that I can find.
Maybe you'd care to post some fact in addition to names?

As for the Texas Rangers, what a joke?
He was a minority owner and that team has prospered under ALL of it's ownership.
Again, some relevant facts would be nice.

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by acmanko
One was the Texas Rangers, Major league , major screwup, they havent gotten over it yet. George brought the investors together to purchase the team. They all made several million when they sold it.

Last time I heard, when an investor purchases something, then increases the value while they own it, and sell it for a profit is considered good business. Maybe in your low IQ world, simple business practices which create successful ventures do not register.

[player89]

Liberals oppose profits, they are the "share the wealth" crowd.

Profits mean someone paid enough for something to foster further development and improvement...oops, there is another thing liberals are against, improvement...by reinvesting in the concern. Re-investment brings additional technology into the system, allowing for further revenues and profits which liberals can't stand.

Hum, the Texas Rangers ultimately had the buying power to give Alex Rodriquez the highest salary in baseball....they sold a lot of tickets during his time there, without even getting to the playoffs. Good business or no?

[chillbilly]

Good business administration and they have fielded solid teams by keeping their payroll low and drafting good prospects. How anyone could point to their team as bad management is beyond me. They are a model of consistency.

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
Your listed names of businesses that our president supposedly failed in, comes up with no such conclusions that I can find.
I'd say your search skills are lacking.






As for the Texas Rangers, what a joke?
He was a minority owner and that team has prospered under ALL of it's ownership.
Again, some relevant facts would be nice. You have the wrong poster.

[geerair]

Originally posted by player89
Hum, the Texas Rangers ultimately had the buying power to give Alex Rodriquez the highest salary in baseball....they sold a lot of tickets during his time there, without even getting to the playoffs. Good business or no? Different owner.

The Arod deal was a bust.

[chillbilly]

You're an idiot. Go ask the Yankees if the Rodriquez deal was a bust.
Boston declined the deal because they were not up to the salary demands.

[MadeinUSA]

The next item these clowns will be saying is that George had no dealings in acquiring Nolan Ryan, which helped ticket sales really take off for the Rangers.

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
You're an idiot. Go ask the Yankees if the Rodriquez deal was a bust.
Boston declined the deal because they were not up to the salary demands. Different deal Einstein.

[geerair]

Originally posted by madeinusa
The next item these clowns will be saying is that George had no dealings in acquiring Nolan Ryan, which helped ticket sales really take off for the Rangers. He didn't. Bush was not involved in player deals. Rusty Rose was the decisionmaker in management. Bush's job was to sit in the stands and pick his nose.

[chillbilly]

Well, thanks for being so detailed. LOL
The only other deal involving Rodriquez was the deal Texas made to acquire him from Seattle.
That deal was a bust? LOL!
Don't know much about baseball, do ya'?
Go review Rodriquez's numbers while he was with Texas and then come back here and tell me the deal was a bust.


http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rodrial01.shtml

[Edited by chillbilly on 05-02-2006 at 09:26 PM]

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by madeinusa
The next item these clowns will be saying is that George had no dealings in acquiring Nolan Ryan, which helped ticket sales really take off for the Rangers. He didn't. Bush was not involved in player deals. Rusty Rose was the decisionmaker in management. Bush's job was to sit in the stands and pick his nose. LOL. He was an managing partner.

What are you drinking tonight, CC and water?

[chillbilly]

Well, lemme' see. He batted .318, .300 and .298 while hitting 52, 57 and 47 home runs with 118, 142 and 145 RBI's. Consistently led the league all 3 years in every offensive category.
Hardly a bust there, nerd boy.

[chillbilly]

Come on geer. What's a matter, no response?
Where is your famous, ignorant one liner?
Read the stats, read the facts and please do tell us how the Texas deal for A-Rod was "A BUST".

[player89]

Geer only knows golf. Baseball has too many stats and players to keep up with, too many deals to ponder. Golf is a simpler, quieter game, where the goal is to just be a little better than average to be successful. No teamwork is involved, you just try to beat the other guy yourself.

Golf says alot about personality, don't you think?

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
Well, thanks for being so detailed. LOL
The only other deal involving Rodriquez was the deal Texas made to acquire him from Seattle.
That deal was a bust? LOL!
Don't know much about baseball, do ya'?
Go review Rodriquez's numbers while he was with Texas and then come back here and tell me the deal was a bust.


http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rodrial01.shtml

[Edited by chillbilly on 05-02-2006 at 09:26 PM] Arod was a cancer in the clubhouse. His popularity to put it mildly wore off quickly with the fans.


It was why they got rid of him.

[geerair]

Originally posted by madeinusa
LOL. He was an managing partner.In name only.


Here he is at work::

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushnosepick.htm

[chillbilly]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by geerair
Arod was a cancer in the clubhouse. His popularity to put it mildly wore off quickly with the fans.
It was why they got rid of him.




Please go back to the religion bashing. You're not up to the task of debating baseball with me, son.

OH and BTW,
The fans aren't in the clubhouse and neither were you.

A little lesson in the business of baseball.... management deals players to increase revenue and to increase playoff chances, which, in turn, increase revenue.
It's not a popularity contest. It's business and unlike you, these guys are professional and they know how to conduct their business.

Your trip to the majors was very shortlived.
May I recommend a little league or girls softball team?

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by madeinusa
LOL. He was an managing partner.In name only.Name only. LOL What a joke you are.

He was the brains that seen an opportunity to take an undervalued situation and build value into it junior. Go take some simple business 101 courses so you can learn something about building wealth.

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly


OH and BTW,
The fans aren't in the clubhouse and neither were you.But the manager is and he talked.






A little lesson in the business of baseball.... management deals players to increase revenue and to increase playoff chances, which, in turn, increase revenue.
It's not a popularity contest. It's business and unlike you, these guys are professional and they know how to conduct their business.Ummmmm......the Rangers took a huge financial hit on Arod.

Popularity? Who do you think buys the tickets that pay for these player moves?







[QUOTE]Your trip to the majors was very shortlived.
May I recommend a little league or girls softball team?[quote]You were saying?

[geerair]

Originally posted by madeinusa

He was the brains that seen an opportunity to take an undervalued situation and build value into it junior.The brains THAT SEEN?


Check your facts sonny. Bill Dewitt was the originator of the bid for the rangers. He invited Bush to invest.







Go take some simple business 101 courses so you can learn something about building wealth.You were saying?

[MadeinUSA]

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by madeinusa

He was the brains that seen an opportunity to take an undervalued situation and build value into it junior.The brains THAT SEEN?


Check your facts sonny. Bill Dewitt was the originator of the bid for the rangers. He invited Bush to invest.







Go take some simple business 101 courses so you can learn something about building wealth.You were saying? Gees, it sure looks like he did more than just, how did you say it “invited”.

April: Bush helps arrange a syndicate to purchase controlling interest in the Texas Rangers for $89 million.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/bush/timeline.html



You were saying?

[chillbilly]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by geerair
But the manager is and he talked.
__________________________________________________ ________

Well, please, by all means, tell us what Johnny Oates said about A-Rod? Maybe a link that will prove what you are now asserting? Hmmmm, I doubt it.




Ummmmm......the Rangers took a huge financial hit on Arod.
__________________________________________________ _______
The Rangers got EVERYTHING they could have asked for from A-Rod and were even able to lose plenty of his salary when he was dealt to the Yankees. Again, you're out of your league. Review the stats. Math is math. It does not lie.
His stats in Texas were ENORMOUS.

Popularity? Who do you think buys the tickets that pay for these player moves?
__________________________________________________ ________
You don't understand what popularity means as it is applied in baseball. Popularity means hitting balls out of sight and PRODUCTION.
Aside from that, you're dead wrong about A-Rod then and now. He is very well liked by his teammates and the fans and is considered one of the better guys in baseball.
He donates more than most players in time and money to charities and fans. Your allegation that he was dealt because he was unpopular and disruptive is a lie perpetuated by people alot like you.

[geerair]

Well, please, by all means, tell us what Johnny Oates said about A-Rod? Maybe a link that will prove what you are now asserting? Hmmmm, I doubt it.Wasn't Oates





The Rangers got EVERYTHING they could have asked for from A-Rod and were even able to lose plenty of his salary when he was dealt to the Yankees. Again, you're out of your league. Review the stats. Math is math. It does not lie.The Rangers had to pay a substantial portion of Arods salary to the Yankees to make the deal.










You don't understand what popularity means as it is applied in baseball. Popularity means hitting balls out of sight and PRODUCTION.Popularity is wins.



Your allegation that he was dealt because he was unpopular and disruptive is a lie perpetuated by people alot like you.Not an allegation, it is the truth.









[/B][/QUOTE]

[geerair]

Originally posted by madeinusa

G ees, it sure looks like he did more than just, how did you say it “invited”.

April: Bush helps arrange a syndicate to purchase controlling interest in the Texas Rangers for $89 million.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/bush/timeline.html



You were saying?
[/B]Same link as chilly. He helped after he was invited he didn't initiate the idea, he was the public face, he didn't control the finances.

You were saying?

[chillbilly]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by geerair
[B][QUOTE]
Wasn't Oates
__________________________________________________ _______
Well who? Showalter? The bench coach? The team mascot?
Who and what was said? Provide some proof or shut up and admit you are wrong.




The Rangers had to pay a substantial portion of Arods salary to the Yankees to make the deal.
__________________________________________________ ______
How much? Do you even know the terms of his deal with the Yankees? With the Mariners? What was paid out? What was paid by the Yankees? What portion was paid by the Rangers?
If you can't provide some facts, then shut up and admit you're wrong.
You said the deal was a "bust". You didn't say WHAT made it a bust and you didn't specify what DEAL you were even referring to.When pressed for info, I finally figured out what deal you were referring to and now you can't even provide any quotes from "the manager" who supposedly stated that A-Rod was a problem. A "cancer" is the term YOU used. If A-Rod was such a problem for the Rangers and not a leader in the clubhouse, how was he able to lead virtually all of the offensive stats in the A.L. in the 3 years he was at Texas? In fact, he WAS the team.
Baseball teams have more than one "manager", Einstein.
So again, which manager was it and what did they say???
Hell, you wouldn't have even used this concocted story about A-Rod's attitude being the factor that made his stay in Texas a "bust", if I hadn't provided his statistics to PROVE that he was a productive asset to that team during his stay there.
Again, if you can't provide some fact, shut up and admit you are wrong.



Popularity is wins.
__________________________________________________ _______
Oh really? I wonder why Fenway Park has had sellouts in every single home game since 2003 when they hadn't had a World Series championship in 86 years??
How do you explain the Dodgers, Giants, Mets, Rockies and even the Detroit Tigers being able to build new ball parks, fill their seats, secure tax dollars to fund new stadiums, TV and radio revenue, franchise and trademark money and one of the strongest unions in the world??
You ever heard the term, "If you build it, they will come"?
And are you stupid enough to think that gate receipts are the only source of revenue paying the players salaries?
Any of the above teams won anything in the last decade??
It's not wins, ignoramus. It's the sport of baseball.
America's national pastime. Now shut up and go to your room.





Not an allegation, it is the truth.
__________________________________________________ _______
Prove it or shut up and admit you're wrong.

[bigtime]

Arod played three seasons for the Rangers and made an average salary of $46,000,000 per year. The team finished each season in last place in their division. In the deal that sent him to the Yankees the Rangers agreed to pay $67,000,000 +/- of the value of his contract. His contract was not a real good business decision.

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
Well who? Showalter? The bench coach? The team mascot?
Who and what was said? Provide some proof or shut up and admit you are wrong.question for Showalter: A-Rod has said that if he were a betting man, he would bet that he'd be back with the Texas Rangers next season. What do you say?

Showalter: I'm not a betting man.

The Rangers were putting together a team of young players. It was widely known that A-rod was not happy with this team makeup and in fact after he left was quoted as saying he was tired of playing with kids.


See chilly, you gotta read between the lines. Most fans know to do that.





How much? Do you even know the terms of his deal with the Yankees? With the Mariners? What was paid out? What was paid by the Yankees? What portion was paid by the Rangers?
If you can't provide some facts, then shut up and admit you're wrong.67 million.









You said the deal was a "bust". You didn't say WHAT made it a bust and you didn't specify what DEAL you were even referring to.When pressed for info

Calm yourself. You'll stroke out if you keep this up.
Aquiring A-rod and paying him a crippling amount of the payroll budget and then having to pay the Yankees 67 million to take him was a bust.



Oh really? I wonder why Fenway Park has had sellouts in every single home game since 2003 when they hadn't had a World Series championship in 86 years??They were in the playoffs often, they had winning seasons, they had tradition. Most of all they won.








How do you explain the Dodgers, Giants, Mets, Rockies and even the Detroit Tigers being able to build new ball parks, fill their seats, secure tax dollars to fund new stadiums, TV and radio revenue, franchise and trademark money and one of the strongest unions in the world??Easy, OPM.




You ever heard the term, "If you build it, they will come"?Vaguely.


And are you stupid enough to think that gate receipts are the only source of revenue paying the players salaries?Who said it was the only source of revenue. See chilly in case you don't understand baseball, there is also radio and TV money. A winning team means ratings. Ratings mean more money.

If you don't beleive winning puts butts in the seats and drives ratings, compare attendance when winning as opposed attendance when losing. Same with ratings.

[Edited by geerair on 05-03-2006 at 11:58 PM]

[chillbilly]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by geerair
question for Showalter: A-Rod has said that if he were a betting man, he would bet that he'd be back with the Texas Rangers next season. What do you say?

Showalter: I'm not a betting man.

The Rangers were putting together a team of young players. It was widely known that A-rod was not happy with this team makeup and in fact after he left was quoted as saying he was tired of playing with kids.
See chilly, you gotta read between the lines. Most fans know to do that.
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This is your proof? PaAAhhhaaaa.
Where are the transcripts of this supposed interview with Showalter?
Proof is certainly not geer reciting 2 sentences from a supposed interview from a well traveled manager that was gone immediately after A-Rod. 'Reading between the lines' is presumptive in as many cases as not and certainly, making certain assumptions based on a vague response from a supposed interview that would have contained much more material, is not proof. Ridiculous.



Aquiring A-rod and paying him a crippling amount of the payroll budget and then having to pay the Yankees 67 million to take him was a bust.
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67 MILLION?? The same amount of money paid out in cable tv coverage to the team from one (1) cable carrier!
That's no "big hit". You obviously don't understand the economics of baseball and how much money these folks are dealing with.



... there is also radio and TV money. A winning team means ratings. Ratings mean more money.
If you don't beleive winning puts butts in the seats and drives ratings, compare attendance when winning as opposed attendance when losing. Same with ratings.
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OK. Now your reiterating what I just told you.
Go to the Forbes website that shows analyses of all MLB teams, small, medium and large market, and explain how the teams that continually finish with winning percentages below .500 are able to build new ball parks with taxpayer money, attract new ball players and show constant profits.

Back to the religion bashing for you.

[James 3528]

Does anyone really have any "Job Security" ? I don't. If I get hurt, I am out of work. If I lose a job, I go looking for another one. Job security starts with the individual and his ability to market himself or herself based on their education and skills.

The problem with the term "Job Security" is that it has become to mean that it is someone else's fault that the individual lost their job.

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly

This is your proof? PaAAhhhaaaa.
Where are the transcripts of this supposed interview with Showalter?
Proof is certainly not geer reciting 2 sentences from a supposed interview from a well traveled manager that was gone immediately after A-Rod. 'Reading between the lines' is presumptive in as many cases as not and certainly, making certain assumptions based on a vague response from a supposed interview that would have contained much more material, is not proof. Ridiculous.Ummm......Showalter is still with the Rangers.

See chilly there were other references in the papers that were equally as cryptic yet clear to those who understand nuance and baseball.

See chilly you do not come right out and bad mouth a player you are trying to deal. Not a good move to denigrate the goods you are trying to move. That is business 101.



67 MILLION?? The same amount of money paid out in cable tv coverage to the team from one (1) cable carrier!
That's no "big hit". You obviously don't understand the economics of baseball and how much money these folks are dealing with.See chilly, 67 million is money that could have been used to bring desperately needed players in. That money represents financial flexibility in the pursuit of free agents and signing draftees.

67 miillion buys a lot of talent.





OK. Now your reiterating what I just told you.
Go to the Forbes website that shows analyses of all MLB teams, small, medium and large market, and explain how the teams that continually finish with winning percentages below .500 are able to build new ball parks with taxpayer money, attract new ball players and show constant profits.We already went over that........ OPM


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[chillbilly]

See geer, you have no proof of what you are asserting.
Still waiting for the statements given by Showalter that would back up your obvious fabrication.
See geer, you can't just ASSume that something is stated because it makes good print, you have to have the proof....and you don't


See geer, players are dealt every day because of discord and trash talking. Wouldn't make one bit of difference to another team that needs the obvious talent of an Alex Rodriquez (like say the Yankees) whether his coach was purportedly whining about the player or not.
Seems you Texans are intent on blaming A-Rod for your perpetual underachievement. One player does not make a team even if that player had OUTSTANDING numbers while he was in Texas. Much more valuable to a team than say...a Buck Showalter.

See geer, Showalter is still with the Rangers and they are still losing, A-Rod is playing with a perennial jauggernaut that is constantly competing in the playoffs and BOTH teams are worth more today than they were yesterday.

See geer, I would give you a kazillion examples, but it's obviously over your head.
See geer,when THE MINIMUM salary for a major league ball player is over 2 million a year, 67 million is a pittance.

See geer, Bush made a blue chip investment with the Rangers because ANY MLB team is a good investment.
What part of "good investment" do you not understand??

Oh yeah and just for the record, I've forgotten more about baseball than you could possibly ever know. Tisk-tisk

[Edited by chillbilly on 05-04-2006 at 03:17 PM]

[bootlen]

Originally posted by chillbilly
See geer, you can't just ASSume


[Edited by chillbilly on 05-04-2006 at 03:17 PM]

Geer can and does. That's his midde name...ASS.

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
See geer, you have no proof of what you are asserting.
Still waiting for the statements given by Showalter that would back up your obvious fabrication.
See geer, you can't just ASSume that something is stated because it makes good print, you have to have the proof....and you don'tProof, no. Evidence yes. Managers and players rarely speak in direct terms about the clubhouse or their relations to each other. Therefore it is in the subtle hints between the lines where the scoop is to be found.

Showalter hints that Arod is causing dissension in the clubhouse, next thing you know Arod, is gone even though the Rangers take a 67 million dollar hit.










See geer, players are dealt every day because of discord and trash talking. Wouldn't make one bit of difference to another team that needs the obvious talent of an Alex Rodriquez (like say the Yankees) whether his coach was purportedly whining about the player or not.Yes, and your point is?



Seems you Texans are intent on blaming A-Rod for your perpetual underachievement. One player does not make a team even if that player had OUTSTANDING numbers while he was in Texas.Duh. That is what I have been saying.





See geer, Showalter is still with the Rangers and they are still losing, A-Rod is playing with a perennial jauggernaut that is constantly competing in the playoffs and BOTH teams are worth more today than they were yesterday.You said Showalter left right after Arod. And you claim to be knowledgeable about MLB?




See geer, I would give you a kazillion examples, but it's obviously over your head.Bring 'em on.



See geer,when THE MINIMUM salary for a major league ball player is over 2 million a year, 67 million is a pittance.No need for you to sit by the phone waiting for a call offering you a GM position.



See geer, Bush made a blue chip investment with the Rangers because ANY MLB team is a good investment.
Never said he didn't.







Oh yeah and just for the record, I've forgotten more about baseball than you could possibly ever know. Tisk-tiskYou either forgot or didn't know Showalter is still the TR manager.

[Edited by geerair on 05-04-2006 at 03:41 PM]

[chillbilly]

OK, so we have that straight. You have no proof of your lame assertions about A-Rod and it was merely speculation on your part because of your innate ability to read something into a statement you can't verify. Whew! Good.

Hmmmm, looked all over for any critical comments or "hints" directed toward A-Rod from Showalter and all I can find are other players he's criticized.
Not a thing about A-Rod.
Next time,if you are going to assert that a player is a "bust" you must remember to have some credible fact to back up the assertion. With the type of numbers A-Rod put up while in Texas it's hard to understand how the criticism can be directed toward him, even with your lame assertion.

Showalter is very forgettable at best and definitely not a players manager so there's good reason not to remember where he's coaching. He openly crititcized Barry Bonds for the way he wore his uniform! LOL!

Next time you talk to anyone in the Rangers organization, tell them to start cutting in the proper place.....at the top. LOL!

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
[B]OK, so we have that straight. You have no proof of your lame assertions about A-Rod and it was merely speculation on your part because of your innate ability to read something into a statement you can't verify. Whew! Good.Proof no. Evidence yes. You need to look those terms up.


Hmmmm, looked all over for any critical comments or "hints" directed toward A-Rod from Showalter and all I can find are other players he's criticized.
Not a thing about A-Rod.
Next time,if you are going to assert that a player is a "bust" you must remember to have some credible fact to back up the assertion. With the type of numbers A-Rod put up while in Texas it's hard to understand how the criticism can be directed toward him, even with your lame assertion.You need to look in the archives of DFW newspapers.


Showalter is very forgettable at best and definitely not a players manager so there's good reason not to remember where he's coaching.Ummmm.....2 time Manager of the year doesn't quite fit the description of forgettable



He openly crititcized Barry Bonds for the way he wore his uniform! LOL! Oh dear, what next; critcizing players shower flops? Bonds should be grateful that was all he was criticized for considering current events.


Next time you talk to anyone in the Rangers organization, tell them to start cutting in the proper place.....at the top. LOL!They did, they fired their GM.

[chillbilly]

So, show the evidence in the form of statements from the source and not using yourself as the source. LOL!

Didn't you say wins are what distinguish popularity?
Check Showalter's winning percentage and number of World Series Rings and then get back to me.

[Edited by chillbilly on 05-04-2006 at 05:30 PM]

[chillbilly]

AS for the idiotic reference to Bonds, one who has never played baseball at a highly competitive level would be sitting right on top of the steroids bandwagon thus, we have geer sitting on his soapbox.

MLB itself is to blame for not negotiating a tough drug policy years ago with MLBPA, allowing illegal substances and not monitoring players.

If Bonds stays healthy and hits 50 home runs this year you'll be one of the first people to understand the skill it takes to do what he does because you obviously don't have a clue right now.

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
So, show the evidence in the form of statements from the source and not using yourself as the source. LOL!Your mission, knock yourself out.







Didn't you say wins are what distinguish popularity?
Check Showalter's winning percentage and number of World Series Rings and then get back to me.516 overall. Pretty damn good.

WS rings? None as yet.

[chillbilly]

.516 winning percentage is pretty good? Not good enough to ever get a ring. Actually the .516 percentage is dated, but in general, winning half your games simply means you are just another face in the crowd.

[acmanko]

Another Bush fiasco. Govenor of Texas.