Spiritual posession

[chillbilly]

How would an atheist who does not believe that the soul or spirit world exists, rationalize demonic or spiritual possession?
Factual accounts exist in our world that this phenomenon is real.

Example;
An 11 year old boy speaks 7 languages with no experience or training in any language other than his native French.
He suddenly becomes self destructive after having been a rather peaceful child. He develops marks on his body that suggest self mutilation, yet he has been observed and monitored to ensure that he doesn't hurt himself and it is noted that he didn't inflict the marking wounds.

What would be the atheist explanation?

[Edited by chillbilly on 04-16-2006 at 07:54 PM]

[samtheman]

Originally posted by chillbilly
How would an atheist who does not believe that the soul or spirit world exists, rationalize demonic or spiritual possession?
Factual accounts exist in our world that this phenomenon is real.

Example;
An 11 year old boy speaks 7 languages with no experience or training in any language other than his native French.
He suddenly becomes self destructive after having been a rather peaceful child. He develops marks on his body that suggest self mutilation, yet he has been observed and monitored to ensure that he doesn't hurt himself and it is noted that he didn't inflict the marking wounds.

What would be the atheist explanation?

[Edited by chillbilly on 04-16-2006 at 07:54 PM]

source of example?

[sline-dawg]

A chemical imbalance.... or I'm sure you see something different.


No, I am wrong. He is the next coming of the Christ...right ??


Does he have 666 on his forehead?????


Maybe he will just be the next president......



Can he play the piano????




WTF..... I give up.



What do you Christians think this young man is.

[TB]

Buddhists will cite something like that as evidence for reincarnation. In his past lives he spoke each of those languages. Witches would say he has tapped into the plane of ether, (yes, the Mormons have a book in the Book of Mormon by the same name) the plane where all knowlege exists (kinda like the internet--all you gotta do is tap into it---ergo Technical Remote Viewing, or divination)

[samtheman]

it's a bullsh*t story. that's the explanation. Can you point us in the direction of any other accounting of this story other than your version?

[geerair]

Hysteria, religious mania, as slinedog wrote, chemical imbalance or any number of other mental disorders.

Then there is the questionable veracity and medical competence of the observers to be considered.

[skrewt]

Originally posted by geerair
Hysteria, religious mania, as slinedog wrote, chemical imbalance or any number of other mental disorders.

Then there is the questionable veracity and medical competence of the observers to be considered.

OH YEAH?!?
Then how do you explain Howard Dean?
The drooling, sqealing madman.

[chillbilly]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by samtheman
[B]it's a bullsh*t story. that's the explanation. Can you point us in the direction of any other accounting of this story other than your version?



I'm sorry. I should have specified that I was interested in opinions of people with IQ's higher than 60.
Sam, that would leave you out.

There are several search engines that will lead you to hundreds of articles about spiritual possession.
If you have a mouse(other than the one you're always playing with) click on a search engine and see for yourself.

[chillbilly]

A chemical imbalance cannot explain away speaking fluent languages you have never learned, bozo's.
Religious hysteria would be a valid point if possession were not verified and documented by non-religious entities.

Slimey dawg-
Your response is patented theatrics.
You cannot respond with an intelligent train of thought, so your only improvisation must be an idiotic attempt at humor. Nice try. Dumb though.

Geer-
A fairly asinine response from you. What type of mental disorder are you referring to? Show some specifics.
Schizophrenia?-patients do not speak multiple languages fluently nor do they develop body markings they didn't inflict.
MPD?- Patients have the ability to transport themselves away from physical abuse by assuming a different charachter attribute(s) to keep themselves alive during abuse. Many cases of these patients have shown the ability to speak in foreign tongues although never consistently when not under duress. Body markings are not consistent with this disorder unless they are self inflicted.

Can any of you naysayers provide specific attributes that would explain away spiritual possession or for that matter, ANY spirit said to exist??

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
A chemical imbalance cannot explain away speaking fluent languages you have never learned, bozo's.
Religious hysteria would be a valid point if possession were not verified and documented by non-religious entities.

Slimey dawg-
Your response is patented theatrics.
You cannot respond with an intelligent train of thought, so your only improvisation must be an idiotic attempt at humor. Nice try. Dumb though.

Geer-
A fairly asinine response from you. What type of mental disorder are you referring to? Show some specifics.
Schizophrenia?-patients do not speak multiple languages fluently nor do they develop body markings they didn't inflict.
MPD?- Patients have the ability to transport themselves away from physical abuse by assuming a different charachter attribute(s) to keep themselves alive during abuse. Many cases of these patients have shown the ability to speak in foreign tongues although never consistently when not under duress. Body markings are not consistent with this disorder unless they are self inflicted.

Can any of you naysayers provide specific attributes that would explain away spiritual possession or for that matter, ANY spirit said to exist?? Yes, as soon as you provide documented medical examinations and medical histories of those involved. Also provide the witnesses and their medical expertise if any and their religious affiliations.

Can't be specific until we see the medical documents.

[skrewt]

Yes, as soon as you provide documented medical examinations and medical histories of those involved. Also provide the witnesses and their medical expertise if any and their religious affiliations.

Can't be specific until we see the medical documents.

Not until you provide proof that you're not a space alien.

[chillbilly]

Exactly. The queen of google has to be directed toward the thousands of accounts of spiritual and demonic possession?!
Just type in spiritual possession and read to your atheist hearts content...type in Emily Rose... type in demonic possession... read the scientific accounts as well.
There are thousands of accounts.
But please don't come back here with those lame a$$ed mental illness generalities.
And don't try weaseling out of a debate you cannot win.
Medical doctors have medical forms. I don't.


[Edited by chillbilly on 04-17-2006 at 03:52 PM]

[skrewt]

Originally posted by skrewt

Yes, as soon as you provide documented medical examinations and medical histories of those involved. Also provide the witnesses and their medical expertise if any and their religious affiliations.

Can't be specific until we see the medical documents.

Not until you provide proof that you're not a space alien.


I'm sorry, I wasn't comparing apples to apples.

Provide proof that you're not a space alien, then provide proof that the data you provide was gathered by someone who originally believed you were a space alien and now doesn't think so. Then provide a 12 year scientific double-blind study that shows you're not a space alien.
And as per your criteria, I reserve the right to dismiss any and all evidence based on whether or not I like the guy you quote.

[chillbilly]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sline-dawg
[B] A chemical imbalance.... or I'm sure you see something different.

No, I am wrong. He is the next coming of the Christ...right ??
Does he have 666 on his forehead?????
Maybe he will just be the next president......
Can he play the piano????
WTF..... I give up.
What do you Christians think this young man is.





This is your response? You're the atheist who insists that spirits do not exist.The question was directed toward you. Why ask for the Christian response? All of the Christians who cannot think for themselves have their own responses. LOL! Aren't you supposed to be an independent thinker?? You explain it. Unless, of course, you can't explain it and would rather just continue refuting it. Yeah, that's your ticket.
Only one thing funnier than an atheist in denial... an atheist in denial who is a moron.

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
Exactly. The queen of google has to be directed toward the thousands of accounts of spiritual and demonic possession?!
Just type in spiritual possession and read to your atheist hearts content...type in Emily Rose... type in demonic possession... read the scientific accounts as well.
There are thousands of accounts.
But please don't come back here with those lame a$$ed mental illness generalities.
And don't try weaseling out of a debate you cannot win.
Medical doctors have medical forms. I don't.


[Edited by chillbilly on 04-17-2006 at 03:52 PM] Sorry, this is your thread. If you want answers you have to provide cases with links. Go to it. We will be waiting.

[sline-dawg]

Thanks for addressing a thead just for me.I am honored.

If you can read, which I'm starting to doubt, I said I don't know what could cause something as great as that to happen to a young, unkown child...



What is your conclusion???






I'm going to take a break and look for these "links" that YOU won't give.....In the meantime, knock yourself out with your explanation.

[samtheman]

A woman claims to be possessed. Satan or James or some other demon made her rack up huge credit card bills, forget to change the oil in the car, and have an affair with her husband's brother. The priest came for the exorcism, performed the ceremony and took the woman's money. Then the engine siezed in her car because she still didn't get the oil changed. She paid her money to the church. Why has god forsaken her and the lubricating needs of her minivan? Explain this. In an effort to save you and me and everyone else a little time, I'll just re-iterate my last response since it applies to my example as well as yours:
This is a bullsh*t story. There is no factual,credible accounting of the particular events described above. It is impossible to actually confirm or refute the "facts" as they are presented. Hence the term "bullsh*t"

[Edited by samtheman on 04-17-2006 at 10:56 PM]

[sline-dawg]

Is this the guy ???


http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/b/brothervoodoo.htm

[geerair]

Originally posted by sline-dawg
Is this the guy ???


http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/b/brothervoodoo.htm Bawhahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!

[samtheman]

Then there's the story of how I once "demonicly posessed" a hooker behind a dumpster at the 7-11 on Pacific Avenue in Atlantic City. There's one case that's been documented, by the ACPD. It's a matter of public record, google it and get the facts.

[geerair]

My putter is apparently possessed by a foul demonic spirit. Wonder if I can get Arnie to cast it out?

[Edited by geerair on 04-17-2006 at 11:25 PM]

[chillbilly]

[i]Originally posted by geerair


[Edited by chillbilly on 04-17-2006 at 03:52 PM] [/B]Sorry, this is your thread. If you want answers you have to provide cases with links. Go to it. We will be waiting.




Answers? That's a belly buster. Let me clue you in on something...You NEVER respond with answers...only drivel. I already know the answers to this. I wanted to see what the atheist opinion would be.
And here I have it....you cannot explain it with facts and you will not explain the sites you have been directed toward. I've already gotten far more idiotic responses from you and a few other dumba$$es here to display, than I expected. Rhetoric and ridicule but nothing intelligible.
Go figure.

[chillbilly]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by geerair
My putter is apparently possessed by a foul demonic spirit. Wonder if I can get Arnie to cast it out?




I doubt it. God only helps those intent on helping themselves.
Also, Arnie could shoot his age and beat you by ten strokes so I'm sure he doesn't have time for you.
That foul spirit in your putter was passed on through your hands! LOL

[geerair]

Well, since you are afraid to provide links supporting your superstitions, let's review your suggestion of Emily Rose.

1. Most of the links for Emily Rose were for a movie. Are you getting your spiritual info from Hollywood now?

2. Anenliese Michel, the girl allegedly possessed, was diagnosed with Temporal Lobe Epilepsy and was hospitalized and received medication for her condition.

3. After behavior problems continued, Anenliese's parents begged the Catholic church for an exorcism. After first being denied, the Bishop approved a rite of exorcism.

4. Anenliese died from this exorcism and the parents and the preists involved were tried and convicted of manslaughter.

5. The Catholic Church ruled later that this was not a case of Demonic possession.

6. Doctors ascribed Ananliese's condition and behavior to Temporal Lobe Epilepsy exacerbated by strict religious training.


So much for that mess. What else you got?



BTW- As for your thousands of cases of possession:

1. Very few links to cases, certainly not thousands, not even hundreds, not even tens.

2. The medical consensus is that these alleged possession cases are due to mental disorders, physical injuries to the brain, chemical imbalances and extreme suggestibility.

3. As for the stigmata, in most cases these were found to be self inflicted by scratching. In a few cases the alleged possessed were caught inflicting wounds to mimic stigmata.






Here is a suggestion for you. Get out of the dark ages. Your superstitions are silly.

[Edited by geerair on 04-18-2006 at 03:02 PM]

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly




I doubt it. God only helps those intent on helping themselves.
Also, Arnie could shoot his age and beat you by ten strokes so I'm sure he doesn't have time for you.
That foul spirit in your putter was passed on through your hands! LOL I met Arnie at Bay Hill. Seemed like a friendly guy who would probably help if I asked. Maybe I'll just send the putter to him.



[Edited by geerair on 04-18-2006 at 03:00 PM]

[chillbilly]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by geerair
[B]Well, since you are afraid to provide links supporting your superstitions, let's review your suggestion of Emily Rose.

1. Most of the links for Emily Rose were for a movie. Are you getting your spiritual info from Hollywood now?
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The movie was based on a true story about her.

2. Anenliese Michel, the girl allegedly possessed, was diagnosed with Temporal Lobe Epilepsy and was hospitalized and received medication for her condition.
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That diagnosis was not confirmed.

3. After behavior problems continued, Anenliese's parents begged the Catholic church for an exorcism. After first being denied, the Bishop approved a rite of exorcism.
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So tell me, do normal behavioral problems consist of a young girl having the strength of several men?
Speaking in different voices, dialects and languages?
Levitation? Please define behavioral problems?
What do you think she was doing? Pouting about not getting tea and crumpets?

4. Anenliese died from this exorcism and the parents and the preists involved were tried and convicted of manslaughter.
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No news there. If the job to figure out what was going on with her would have continued to be left up to medical science, the parents and priests would likely be dead as well.

5. The Catholic Church ruled later that this was not a case of Demonic possession.
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True. And yet, they continue to perform excorcisms and are steadfast in thier assertion that spirits and demons are real.

6. Doctors ascribed Ananliese's condition and behavior to Temporal Lobe Epilepsy exacerbated by strict religious training.
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Doctors had no more of a clue about her condition than you do.






BTW- As for your thousands of cases of possession:

1. Very few links to cases, certainly not thousands, not even hundreds, not even tens.
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BS I counted over 20 pages of links on one search alone.

2. The medical consensus is that these alleged possession cases are due to mental disorders, physical injuries to the brain, chemical imbalances and extreme suggestibility.
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BS. Medical science has dropped the ball on 60% of these cases. distances itself from anything more than a statement of diagnosis being "probable causes", and in fact can not explain the majority of these cases.



3. As for the stigmata, in most cases these were found to be self inflicted by scratching. In a few cases the alleged possessed were caught inflicting wounds to mimic stigmata.
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BS- People monitored and no such evidence of self infliction reported by your beloved medical personnel.








Are these numbered items you list supposed to be news?
I am well aware of all of these you listed and pulled directly from the site about Annilese.
You left out a substantial amount of info that points toward the fact that the medical diagnosis was bogus, contested and not validated by other professionals who examined her. I also wonder how many of your brave medical doctors refused to even enter her room. LOL!

Furthermore, the entities continued to manifest which was ultimately the reason for her excorcism.
You should also remember that medical science could do absolutely nothing to help this 19 year old girl thus the decision was made to perform the excorcism.
Doesn't make one have a whole lot of faith in your beloved science and medical diagnosis, does it?




[Edited by chillbilly on 04-18-2006 at 06:02 PM]

[chillbilly]

FACT;
Both priests presented deep conviction that she was possessed, and that she was finally freed by exorcisms just before she died. The parents shared a similar view.

FACT;
1 July 1976 – on the day that Anneliese had predicted as the day of her liberation, she died in her sleep.

FACT;
The stay at the psychiatric hospital did not improve Anneliese’s health. Moreover, she began to suffer from depression. Basing her life on deep faith, Anneliese began to attribute her condition to demonic possession. She grew increasingly frustrated with medical intervention as it did not affect what she perceived as her real problems.

FACT;
Soon she was diagnosed as epileptic at the Psychiatric Clinic in Würzburg, although the later autopsy, including microscopic study of the brain, did not show any changes or damage that could be responsible for the alleged epilepsy

A FAIRLY IMPORTANT INSTANCE OF MEDICAL SCIENCE REFUTING IT'S OWN DIAGNOSIS

FACT;
It is important to note that throughout the course of the religious rites Anneliese underwent, she took powerful psychotropic drugs prescribed to her by doctors. Below is the timetable of her medical treatment based on information from F. Goodman’s research. After the third seizure in June 1970, during her stay at the psychiatric hospital, the girl was prescribed her first, unknown anticonvulsant. The medicine did not cure her of seizures; she also continued to see what she described as “devil faces” at different times of the day.

You know the source... you referenced it when you deselected these items.


btw... the movie about Emily Rose is based on the life of
Anneliese Michel

[Edited by chillbilly on 04-18-2006 at 06:51 PM]

[chillbilly]

What else you got?

[Edited by chillbilly on 04-18-2006 at 06:50 PM]

[geerair]

Double post

[Edited by geerair on 04-18-2006 at 08:07 PM]

[chillbilly]

What's a matter geer? You forget to type in a response?
Go google and then you may return :)

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
FACT;
Both priests presented deep conviction that she was possessed, and that she was finally freed by exorcisms just before she died. The parents shared a similar view.The Catholic Church ruled she wasn't possessed.

Of course they imagined she was freed by the exorcism. They had killed her with this barbaric, superstition ridden ritual and were desperate to rationalize their lethal actions.


FACT;
1 July 1976 – on the day that Anneliese had predicted as the day of her liberation, she died in her sleep. Means nothing.







FACT;
The stay at the psychiatric hospital did not improve Anneliese’s health. Moreover, she began to suffer from depression. Basing her life on deep faith, Anneliese began to attribute her condition to demonic possession. She grew increasingly frustrated with medical intervention as it did not affect what she perceived as her real problems.Quite true. Treatments 30 years ago for this type of condition were not always effective.

Basing her life on deep faith is highly suggestive of religious mania and would account for demonic hallucinations.


FACT;
Soon she was diagnosed as epileptic at the Psychiatric Clinic in Würzburg, although the later autopsy, including microscopic study of the brain, did not show any changes or damage that could be responsible for the alleged epilepsySclerosis of brain tissue although common in epileptic patients is not always present. Let us also keep in mind that autopsy technology has improved immensely in the past thirty years.


A FAIRLY IMPORTANT INSTANCE OF MEDICAL SCIENCE REFUTING IT'S OWN DIAGNOSISA fairly important instance of apologists not understanding medical science.


It is important to note that throughout the course of the religious rites Anneliese underwent, she took powerful psychotropic drugs prescribed to her by doctors. Below is the timetable of her medical treatment based on information from F. Goodman’s research. After the third seizure in June 1970, during her stay at the psychiatric hospital, the girl was prescribed her first, unknown anticonvulsant. The medicine did not cure her of seizures; she also continued to see what she described as “devil faces” at different times of the day.Again the treatments of that time were not always effective.

Devil faces? Relgious mania and hallucinations



You know the source... you referenced it when you deselected these items.Ummm......no. No source I checked gave autopsy reports. Perhaps you will post a link.



btw... the movie about Emily Rose is based on the life of
Anneliese MichelBTW-Duh.

Your info adds up to zip.

Try Again.

[Edited by geerair on 04-18-2006 at 07:51 PM]

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
What's a matter geer? You forget to type in a response?
Go google and then you may return :)
Don't wet your panties newbie.

[geerair]

Now that the Anenliese matter is disposed of, let's take up the matter of the 11 year old boy who speaks 15 languages including Klingon. You're up.

[chillbilly]

Originally posted by geerair
FACT;
The Catholic Church ruled she wasn't possessed.
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That was their official position, yes.
Are you now utilizing the Catholic church as an authority?

Of course they imagined she was freed by the exorcism. They had killed her with this barbaric, superstition ridden ritual and were desperate to rationalize their lethal actions.
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Their actions were not lethal. It was the inaction of medical science to accurately diagnose her problem and treat it.


1 July 1976 – on the day that Anneliese had predicted as the day of her liberation, she died in her sleep.

Means nothing.
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Not to a man of ineffectual reason.
To a man of faith, she understood her struggle and foresaw her death.

[QUOTE]FACT;
The stay at the psychiatric hospital did not improve Anneliese’s health. Moreover, she began to suffer from depression. Basing her life on deep faith, Anneliese began to attribute her condition to demonic possession. She grew increasingly frustrated with medical intervention as it did not affect what she perceived as her real problems.Quite true.
Treatments 30 years ago for this type of condition were not always effective.
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WOW! What a revelation. Treatments to this day involving anything spiritual are ALWAYS ineffective. WHY? Because medical science generally is too stubborn to acknowledge their shortcomings.
The medical doctors should have been on trial for her murder. The gave her every drug imaginable because they couldn't diagnose her correctly nor sedate her effectively.


Basing her life on deep faith is highly suggestive of religious mania and would account for demonic hallucinations.
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I'll simply dismiss this garbage because it's stupid.
Hullicinations do not account for superhuman strength, inconceivable voices unlike anything human, and body splitting contortions. Seriously, you must do better on this point.


FACT;
Soon she was diagnosed as epileptic at the Psychiatric Clinic in Würzburg, although the later autopsy, including microscopic study of the brain, did not show any changes or damage that could be responsible for the alleged epilepsy
Sclerosis of brain tissue although common in epileptic patients is not always present. Let us also keep in mind that autopsy technology has improved immensely in the past thirty years.
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With the type of severity of her physical state and "behavioral problems" that you yourself acknowledge, surely you can't suggest that there would have been no damaged brain tissue?! Come now.Your grasping at straws.




It is important to note that throughout the course of the religious rites Anneliese underwent, she took powerful psychotropic drugs prescribed to her by doctors. Below is the timetable of her medical treatment based on information from F. Goodman’s research. After the third seizure in June 1970, during her stay at the psychiatric hospital, the girl was prescribed her first, unknown anticonvulsant. The medicine did not cure her of seizures; she also continued to see what she described as “devil faces” at different times of the day.
Again the treatments of that time were not always effective. Devil faces? Relgious mania and hallucinations
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Hard for a man of ineffectual reason to fathom, huh?


[QUOTE]You know the source... you referenced it when you deselected these items.Ummm......no. No source I checked gave autopsy reports. Perhaps you will post a link.
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Yeah, ummm hmmm.
Perhaps you will trod back to the link you deselected your "proof" from, eh?

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly

That was their official position, yes.
Are you now utilizing the Catholic church as an authority?Why not? They squashed your case very effectively.


Their actions were not lethal. It was the inaction of medical science to accurately diagnose her problem and treat it.Not according to the experts, the autopsy or the criminal trial.


Not to a man of ineffectual reason.
To a man of faith, she understood her struggle and foresaw her death.A man of ineffectual reason and a man of faith are the same thing.



WOW! What a revelation. Treatments to this day involving anything spiritual are ALWAYS ineffective. WHY? Because medical science generally is too stubborn to acknowledge their shortcomings.
The medical doctors should have been on trial for her murder. The gave her every drug imaginable because they couldn't diagnose her correctly nor sedate her effectively.Go have a priest perform your next surgical procedure.



I'll simply dismiss this garbage because it's stupid.
Hullicinations do not account for superhuman strength, inconceivable voices unlike anything human, and body splitting contortions.Dismiss away. All of your alleged symptoms are accounted for in a mental disorder diagnosis of which hallucinations are only one manifestation.


With the type of severity of her physical state and "behavioral problems" that you yourself acknowledge, surely you can't suggest that there would have been no damaged brain tissue?! Come now.Your grasping at straws.Your incredulity moves me not. Read the medical literature. You do know what sclerosis is?




Hard for a man of ineffectual reason to fathom, huh?Nah, it's hard for any man of whatever reason to buy this superstitious tripe.



Yeah, ummm hmmm.
Perhaps you will trod back to the link you deselected your "proof" from, eh???????? My link had no mention of an autopsy. you can settle this point quite easily by providing a link.






Now, about this multilingual boy........

[chillbilly]

[i]Originally posted by geerair

Are you now utilizing the Catholic church as an authority?Why not? They squashed your case very effectively.
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Oh, I see. This is more about you being right than providing some reasonable proof from a source you deem credible. You cannot use faith based religion as a means of proving a scientific point if you refute faith based religion...can you?
That noted, the Catholic church to this day, overwhelmingly agrees that the girl was indeed possessed regardless of the official ruling which was handed down to silence the authorities.




[QUOTE]Their actions were not lethal. It was the inaction of medical science to accurately diagnose her problem and treat it.
Not according to the experts, the autopsy or the criminal trial.
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What experts? The people that prosecuted the case were never present during the exorcisms or the "behavioral episodes". They couldn't even show up for one of the 60+ exorcisms, but your so called "experts" jumped at the chance to prosecute defendants who suffered through trying to help this girl get through her pain because of the high profile exposure of the case. The medical people were hardly experts. In fact, the girl would have been better off if they had never interjected their experimentation regimen of psychtropic drugs on her. Quite simply, they didn't know what they were doing.



Go have a priest perform your next surgical procedure.

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Typical geer POOP. You're probably one of those idiots who goes into a doctors office and believes everything they tell you and then apologizes to the good ole' doc for having to wait and extra hour for HIM to get to you.
Go have a doctor perform your next excorcism, which BTW, you are in desperate need of. LOL!




I'll simply dismiss this garbage because it's stupid.
Hullicinations do not account for superhuman strength, inconceivable voices unlike anything human, and body splitting contortions.
Dismiss away. All of your alleged symptoms are accounted for in a mental disorder diagnosis of which hallucinations are only one manifestation.
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HA! Yeah, sure they are. Hallucinations are mental in nature and NOT physical, Einstein.
Unnatural physical strength and body contortions as well as the language, dialects and difference in voice composition have absolutely nothing to do with your lame assed hallucination argument.



With the type of severity of her physical state and "behavioral problems" that you yourself acknowledge, surely you can't suggest that there would have been no damaged brain tissue?! Come now.Your grasping at straws.Your incredulity moves me not. Read the medical literature. You do know what sclerosis is?
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The proof is in the pudding. No sclerosis, lesions or scarring of ANY type were present on or near ANY brain tissue and your sacred medical doctors COULD NOT conclude epilepsy upon completion of the autopsy.

[sline-dawg]

Are nuts.... you know pychopathic type nuts....Does that mean they are spiritually possessed ?? Are all people who ARE possessed, possessed by "evil" spirits?? I'm thinking some of you guys are borderline nuts...possessed by a different" spirit"....



OH, I'm still looking for the kid that started this crap..... or was it like most of your posts....full of manure.

[geerair]

Double post.




[Edited by geerair on 04-19-2006 at 12:09 AM]

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
Oh, I see. This is more about you being right than providing some reasonable proof from a source you deem credible. I find it amusing that religion squashed your religious case.


You cannot use faith based religion as a means of proving a scientific point if you refute faith based religion...can you? That is why I'm not using faith based religion to refute a scientific point. I'm using it to refute your assertion of possession.


That noted, the Catholic church to this day, overwhelmingly agrees that the girl was indeed possessed regardless of the official ruling which was handed down to silence the authorities. That is a mighty big unsupported assertion you have there. I expect it is useless to ask you for evidence of this.



What experts? The people that prosecuted the case were never present during the exorcisms or the "behavioral episodes". They couldn't even show up for one of the 60+ exorcisms, Autopsies, witnesses, medical records and testimony from experts. What more do you need? It was enough to convict these sadists of manslaughter. But then, your knowledge of how the legal system works is as deficient as your knowledge of mental disorders.



but your so called "experts" jumped at the chance to prosecute defendants who suffered through trying to help this girl get through her pain because of the high profile exposure of the case. Yes they helped her by forcing her to perform barbaric rituals, starving her, refusing medical attention. Her knees were destroyed by genuflecting continuously for Zeus' sake.


The medical people were hardly experts. In fact, the girl would have been better off if they had never interjected their experimentation regimen of psychtropic drugs on her. Quite simply, they didn't know what they were doing.Their treatment didn't kill her.

The exorcism did.




Typical geer POOP. You're probably one of those idiots who goes into a doctors office and believes everything they tell you and then apologizes to the good ole' doc for having to wait and extra hour for HIM to get to you.Nah, my doc is the best. I do get a second opinion when I think it is necessary however.






Go have a doctor perform your next excorcism, which BTW, you are in desperate need of. LOL!Why? It seems only the religiously addicted ever become possessed. What a shocker.




HA! Yeah, sure they are. Hallucinations are mental in nature and NOT physical, Einstein.Duh, nobody said they were.






Unnatural physical strength and body contortions as well as the language, dialects and difference in voice composition have absolutely nothing to do with your lame assed hallucination argument.Nobody said they did. Slowly this time for the impaired. T h e
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The proof is in the pudding. No sclerosis, lesions or scarring of ANY type were present on or near ANY brain tissue and your sacred medical doctors COULD NOT conclude epilepsy upon completion of the autopsy.As we have pointed out before, these conditions are not always present in patients sufffering from seizures.




Summing up we have the Catholic Church, medical experts, legal experts and rationality refuting your goblins and ghosts tale.

You have: Two priests and parents who killed a girl during a medieval ritual and were convicted of this crime, some quack on a website who knows nothing about medical or legal matters and your own disordered mind.


Checkmate








Now, what about this boy who speaks Klingon in all of it dialects?

[samtheman]

what about the kid who speaks all them languages man?

[chillbilly]

LOL!
Checkmate?
Hardly.

On the one hand we have geer asserting that medical science wasn't equipped "thirty years ago" to properly diagnose and administer medication to treat her, and then we have him using the autopsy and "medical record" as his basis to refute the possession claim.
So which is it geer?
Was medical science an "authority" or "not equipped" thirty years ago?
Why was this emaciated girl released by doctors and not kept on a feeding tube? Never mind that she, her parents and priests knew her and knew what was happening to her.
If she had been under a doctors care and was released, what were the circumstances that warranted release?
Here's a thought for you to ponder.
She was released because the medical "authorities" which you boast about one minute and apologize for the next, did not want to deal with her anymore.
In fact, they were inept and handed the ball to the church.
Of course, they are just like you in retrospect.
They blame the only people who made a worthy attempt to help her. Where was medical science during the excorcisms?
I'll tell you where they were..nowhere to be found.

[chillbilly]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by samtheman
[B]what about the kid who speaks all them languages man?




Hey dumba$$,

This is a subject about the very same set of circumstances.
I would assume you know how to research it, but every time I come to a conclusion that you can do something right,
I am wrong.

Maybe you and geer can get your thoughts together and explain how sclerosis on the brain tissue (that is not present at an autopsy) causes a person to speak several languages fluently.

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
On the one hand we have geer asserting that medical science wasn't equipped "thirty years ago" to properly diagnose and administer medication to treat her, and then we have him using the autopsy and "medical record" as his basis to refute the possession claim.
So which is it geer?Two different issues. The diagnosis of grand mal seizures due to epilepsy was correct. The patient was not responding to the drugs but the medications were stopped by the parents and the girl before a full course of treatment could be completed.

The autopsy was in aid of the trial to determine the cause of death.


Why was this emaciated girl released by doctors and not kept on a feeding tube? Never mind that she, her parents and priests knew her and knew what was happening to her.She became emaciated during the exorcism due to fasting which was recommended by the priests as part of the ritual.

The only mention of feeding tubes was the comment by medical experts during the trial that Anenliese could have been saved by forced feeding even a week before she died.



If she had been under a doctors care and was released, what were the circumstances that warranted release?The parents removed her from medical care. One of the reasons why they were tried and convicted of negligent manslaughter.





Here's a thought for you to ponder.
She was released because the medical "authorities" which you boast about one minute and apologize for the next, did not want to deal with her anymore. Nope, the parents rejected medical treatment.


In fact, they were inept and handed the ball to the church.Nope, the parents insisted on a new therapy, unfortunately they chose exorcism which resulted in her death.




They blame the only people who made a worthy attempt to help her. Laughable. They applied a barbaric, superstitious treatment which led to Anenliese's death.



Where was medical science during the excorcisms?
I'll tell you where they were..nowhere to be found. Medical treatment was refused. The parents and the priests would not allow medical attention.

See, that is why the parents and the priests were tried and convicted of negligent manslaughter. see how that works?









Now you are just making up stuff in an effort to rehabilitate your dying assertions.

Try again.

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly



This is a subject about the very same set of circumstances.
I would assume you know how to research it, but every time I come to a conclusion that you can do something right,
I am wrong

Maybe you and geer can get your thoughts together and explain how sclerosis on the brain tissue (that is not present at an autopsy) causes a person to speak several languages fluently. So your 11 year old French boy is actually a 20 year old German girl.

Gee, chilly, you don't inspire much confidence in your research skills. In fact, your posts in this thread display extreme sloppiness and tortured logic.


Several Languages? The only language referenced in this case is Latin.

Seeing as how Anenliese was immersed in Latin everyday of her life, it is hardly remarkable that she could speak it.

No ghosts need apply.

Next.

[Edited by geerair on 04-19-2006 at 11:25 AM]

[chillbilly]

http://www.sdreader.com/php/cityshow.php?id=C042398B
Nope. Wrong on all counts.
William Peter Blatty's book, The Exorcist was based on the life of an 11 year old boy named Douglas Deen.
Again, you are wrong.

[chillbilly]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by geerair


Several Languages? The only language referenced in this case is Latin.



BS yet again.
French, German, Latin, English, and other unrecognizable tongues were recorded during her exorcism.
You referenced trial record and other medical affadavits that do not thoroughly research this case in it's entirety.
But then, why would you? You have no church exorcism proceeding records and your argument that supports involuntary medical release is typical, although not possible.
You put your faith in medical and judicial record as if it was Gospel, no pun intended.
You cannot be expected to be objective. You must stay true to your "faith" in the words of men. That's all you have.
I kinda' feel sorry for you.

[chillbilly]

Did you check out the link about the 11 year old boy sammy?
What say you now? Still BS?
You boys are pitiful shells of men who worship idols and yourselves.
Good luck to you in the afterlife.

[chillbilly]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by geerair
Medical treatment was refused. The parents and the priests would not allow medical attention.



You're so full of sh-t. Medical treatment was opted for and given up on. This girl made the decision for herself.
She was of legal age to deny medical drugs that were worsening her condition.
Her parents and her priests were NOT convicted of REFUSING MEDICAL TREATMENT.
They were convicted of her death by manslaughter for the EXORCISM. Your comprehension skills are pitiful.
Any more facts you care to bludgeon?

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
http://www.sdreader.com/php/cityshow.php?id=C042398B
Nope. Wrong on all counts.
William Peter Blatty's book, The Exorcist was based on the life of an 11 year old boy named Douglas Deen.
Again, you are wrong. From your link:

"Sometimes the boy would say things in Latin. He didn't have a proficiency in any other language than in English but he could have very easily have done that in just mimicry because the prayers were being said in Latin. it was mostly a repetition of what father Bowden was saying. Then sometimes his voice would be low, other times a falsetto. But that could be done by any kid."

So the 11 year old French kid who spoke many languages turns out to be an 11 year old American kid who only spoke one language and mimiced another.


It would seem you didn't read your own link as it squashes your assertions.

Next.

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly

BS yet again.
French, German, Latin, English, and other unrecognizable tongues were recorded during her exorcism. Let's review:

German-native tongue.

Latin-Your link already squashed that.

Unrecognizable tongues-generally defined as gibberish.

French-neighboring country. Not unusual that citizens of neighboring countries can speak each other's language.


English-Spoken eveywhere.









You referenced trial record and other medical affadavits that do not thoroughly research this case in it's entirety.
But then, why would you? You have no church exorcism proceeding records Okey, dokey, apparently you have or can link to these exorcism records. The easiest way to resolve this is to provide a link to these records.



your argument that supports involuntary medical release is typical, although not possible.Not possible? Happens all the time.



You put your faith in medical and judicial record as if it was Gospel, no pun intended.
You cannot be expected to be objective. You must stay true to your "faith" in the words of men. That's all you have.
I kinda' feel sorry for you.It's called reality. Check it out.

[Edited by geerair on 04-19-2006 at 12:48 PM]

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly

You're so full of sh-t. Medical treatment was opted for and given up on. This girl made the decision for herself.
She was of legal age to deny medical drugs that were worsening her condition.As I said medical treatment was refused.




Her parents and her priests were NOT convicted of REFUSING MEDICAL TREATMENT.
They were convicted of her death by manslaughter for the EXORCISM. Your comprehension skills are pitiful.
Any more facts you care to bludgeon?They were convicted of negligent manslaughter of which refusing medical treatment is one component. They could have saved Anenlise by force feeding her and calling in medical expertise. See Chilly, Ananliese was in medical extremity and unable to care for herself. The parents and priests had a duty to care for her. Instead they refused medical treatment and she died.

The exorcism was another component. See how that works?



Next.

[Edited by geerair on 04-19-2006 at 12:59 PM]

[skrewt]

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by chillbilly

You're so full of sh-t. Medical treatment was opted for and given up on. This girl made the decision for herself.
She was of legal age to deny medical drugs that were worsening her condition.As I said medical treatment was refused.




Her parents and her priests were NOT convicted of REFUSING MEDICAL TREATMENT.
They were convicted of her death by manslaughter for the EXORCISM. Your comprehension skills are pitiful.
Any more facts you care to bludgeon?They were convicted of negligent manslaughter of which refusing medical treatment is one component. They could have saved Anenlise by force feeding her and calling in medical expertise. See Chilly, Ananliese was in medical extremity and unable to care for herself. The parents and priests had a duty to care for her. Instead they refused medical treatment and she died.

The exorcism was another component. See how that works?



Next.

[Edited by geerair on 04-19-2006 at 12:59 PM]


I bow to your omnipotence, certainly I had no idea you were also a medical expert. All knowing and all powerful.
You can demonstrate with your unbelievable power of research and study beyond a reasonable doubt that she would have survived under medical care?
Wow, who can compete with such knowledge.
I'll have to tell the next family I come across who loses someone under medical care that they obviously didn't follow Geer's medical routine because if they had all people would live.

Moron.

[scrogdog]

This topic is an interesting study on how people’s minds work differently.

As for myself, it is difficult for me to have faith, or to accept an idea based on hearsay evidence. The evidence presented to make a case for demonic possession is complete and total heresay. It is like a conspiracy theorist “juggling the numbers” to make a case to support whatever particular conspiracy interests them. Could the conspiracy be true? Maybe. Is it likely? Usually not. :)

The way the minds of people who are scientifically minded work is to AUTOMATICALLY be skeptical about hearsay evidence. Because hearsay evidence does not demonstrate a darn thing. Someone saying that they saw a Yeti is hearsay evidence. Someone showing a photo of footprints in the snow is hearsay evidence. Showing a picture of a UFO or telling an alien abduction story is hearsay evidence. However, the remains of a Yeti or an extraterrestrial would be hard evidence.

You are basically asking me to believe in vampires and the like? Sorry, no can do. My mind just does not work that way.

I remind you that faith is called faith for a reason. And I think it is easier for those who have faith to take the “leap of logic” required to believe in demonic possession. People like Geer and myself are always going to offer the most likely scientific explanation. That’s just how our minds work. We can only accept the tangible and the seeable.

Still, I do call myself agnostic, only because the existence of God cannot be disproven and science certainly does not yet have all of the answers. But, I will remain agnostic for life since there is nothing tangible that can be shown to me. The interpretation of a given story by believers just isn’t going to do it, sorry. :)

Surely there are strange things that go on that we cannot explain. I guess we are so arrogant that we can’t just have something go unexplained being that we are the grand and wonderful human race… :) … for some it is best to try and assign some logic to the event… for others… it is a perfect opportunity to make claims of supernatural happenings.

[chillbilly]

You're so full of sh-t. Medical treatment was opted for and given up on. This girl made the decision for herself.
She was of legal age to deny medical drugs that were worsening her condition.[/quote]As I said medical treatment was refused.



[QUOTE]Her parents and her priests were NOT convicted of REFUSING MEDICAL TREATMENT.
They were convicted of her death by manslaughter for the EXORCISM. Your comprehension skills are pitiful.
Any more facts you care to bludgeon?
__________________________________________________ ______
They were convicted of negligent manslaughter of which refusing medical treatment is one component. BS
They could have saved Anenlise by force feeding her and calling in medical expertise. See Chilly, Ananliese was in medical extremity and unable to care for herself. The parents and priests had a duty to care for her. Instead they refused medical treatment and she died.
The exorcism was another component. See how that works?
__________________________________________________ ______
The priests had no such legal duty to care for her. Their duty to care for her was a moral one only. See how that works?
The medical doctors that released her DID have a duty to keep her under medical care. They could have kept her in the hospital but they gladly gave her up to her parents.





Read on and tell the story. Calling in medical expertise?
Who do you think was responsible for the battery of medications she was prescribed? The church? Medical expertise had no such expertise. See how that works?
Problem. Cannot solve problem. Get rid of problem.
She refused medical treatment after her reliance on the treatment did nothing for her. Her parents did the same and the medical community sure as hell didn't come out publicly or privately and insist she be put back in their care, now did they?
She was not always under duress during her possession.
There were times when she was normal. It was only after she was given experimental psychtropic drugs that she could not function. Now, you're free to blame her weakness and resulting death on the church and her parents, both of whom knew her better than anyone if you'd like ,but that doesn't make it fact. Show me one bit of evidence given by medical authorities present during the exorcisms. Just one.
You can't, because there isn't any. And please post some medical credentials and statements made by medical authorities at a time other than the trial when they were busy washing their hands of guilt.

This conviction you keep basing your whole denial on, was nothing more than a formality and most people were suprised a 6 MONTH SENTENCE WAS GIVEN.
Hardly proof of negligent manslaughter.
Do you know how many days her parents were confined?
I'll bet you don't.

The most important point that you cannot refute is the medical evidence. Your brain trust of medical experts found...
NO SIGN OF BRAIN DAMAGE AT ALL.
Yet, you continually refer to medical duress.
Caused by what exactly? You cannot provide a precise explanation because the medical community surrounding this girl didn't have one.



[Edited by chillbilly on 04-19-2006 at 03:13 PM]

[chillbilly]

Originally posted by geerair
[B][QUOTE] Originally posted by chillbilly
http://www.sdreader.com/php/cityshow.php?id=C042398B
Nope. Wrong on all counts.
William Peter Blatty's book, The Exorcist was based on the life of an 11 year old boy named Douglas Deen.
Again, you are wrong. From your link:

"Sometimes the boy would say things in Latin. He didn't have a proficiency in any other language than in English but he could have very easily have done that in just mimicry because the prayers were being said in Latin. it was mostly a repetition of what father Bowden was saying. Then sometimes his voice would be low, other times a falsetto. But that could be done by any kid."
__________________________________________________ _______
"Evidence" from one party.


It would seem you didn't read your own link as it squashes your assertions.
__________________________________________________ _________
I didn't get my info from a link. I have in depth info from a book. You see, I don't rely on single paragraphs from the web to make conclusions. That's your shtick.
And it serves you well and keeps you uninformed and vague with tidbits about a FULL STORY only.
Try sitting down and reading a book. It'll help you learn other points of view and cut down on your own self indulgences.

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
Read on and tell the story. Calling in medical expertise?
Who do you think was responsible for the battery of medications she was prescribed? The church? Medical expertise had no such expertise. See how that works?The exorcism killed her not the medical treatment. In fact prompt medical treatment would have saved her life.


Get rid of problem.
She refused medical treatment after her reliance on the treatment did nothing for her. Her parents did the same and the medical community sure as hell didn't come out publicly or privately and insist she be put back in their care, now did they?She refused medical treatment, that is not getting rid of the problem.


Insist she be put back into their care? They had no such power to compell Anenlise to continue the treatments. Their role was limited to advising her to continue treatments.



She was not always under duress during her possession.
There were times when she was normal. It was only after she was given experimental psychtropic drugs that she could not function. Not true. She was able to attend school after the treatments. Your are just making up stuff here.



Now, you're free to blame her weakness and resulting death on the church and her parents, both of whom knew her better than anyone if you'd like ,but that doesn't make it fact.Nobody blamed her weakness on the church.



Show me one bit of evidence given by medical authorities present during the exorcisms. Just one.
You can't, because there isn't any.Wasn't necessary, medical records and statements by the parents and the priests were enough to find them guilty of negligent manslaughter.


And please post some medical credentials and statements made by medical authorities at a time other than the trial when they were busy washing their hands of guilt.None are available, at least not in my search.


This conviction you keep basing your whole denial on, was nothing more than a formality and most people were suprised a 6 MONTH SENTENCE WAS GIVEN.
Hardly proof of negligent manslaughter.
Do you know how many days her parents were confined?
I'll bet you don't.Apparently it was enough to convince the legal system they were guilty of negligent manslaughter.




The most important point that you cannot refute is the medical evidence. Your brain trust of medical experts found...
NO SIGN OF BRAIN DAMAGE AT ALL.
Yet, you continually refer to medical duress.
Caused by what exactly? You cannot provide a precise explanation because the medical community surrounding this girl didn't have one.For the umpteenth time, damage is not always present in these cases.



You are getting desperate and making up stuff. Your case is dwindling down to a few shopworn assertions.

[tonys]

speaking of "Spritual posession"...what's the dillio with the White House these days?

the pink-slips are fly'n, No?


...anyone with Dick's Name on it?

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
I didn't get my info from a link. I have in depth info from a book. You see, I don't rely on single paragraphs from the web to make conclusions. That's your shtick.So you are repudiating your own link? Bawhahahahahah.




And it serves you well and keeps you uninformed and vague with tidbits about a FULL STORY only.
Try sitting down and reading a book. It'll help you learn other points of view and cut down on your own self indulgences.Let's review:

This is a link you suggested.

In the link is an eyewitness to the events who was also a priest.

The priest states that the boy was mimicing Latin from the rituals used by the attending priests. Something he says is well within the ability of any kid.

There is no other foreign language mentioned.


You continuously insist you have a book that gives all the details yet you refuse to even mention the book's title or author and will not give a link to it.


You make an assertion that the boy spoke many languages. The priest that was actually present during the exorcism says the boy only mimiced Latin.

Does your book repudiate the priest's statement? If it does, then quote the relevent section of your book.



In a search running many, many pages under several different keywords and phrases, no mention of a book like you describe is listed.


I will ask again, give us the book's title or author or a link to this book.

[samtheman]

doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong? Well then it MUST be evil spirits and ghosts, since doctors are infallable human biengs like the rest of us. No other possible explanation could exist. I saw a documentary once that showed an actual demonic possession. What was the name.....hmmmm....oh yeah, it was called "Beetlejuice". I better go put money in the shiny plate so jesus loves me again.

[chillbilly]

sammyboy
You had better do more than get a copy of beetlejuice.
Do you look like the main charachter,by chance?

geeryboy
I didn't get my info from a link. I have in depth info from a book. You see, I don't rely on single paragraphs from the web to make conclusions. That's your shtick.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So you are repudiating your own link? Bawhahahahahah.
__________________________________________________ ______
What a goon. LOL!
I supplied the link about the 11 year old boy because you and the other dumbass on this thread were making the accusation that there was no 11 year old boy....remember?
Or did you conveniently forget that already?
I don't operate by using summarized links to give summarized opinions. Again, that's your schtick.


You continuously insist you have a book that gives all the details yet you refuse to even mention the book's title or author and will not give a link to it.
__________________________________________________ ________
What's that? Do I have to prove you wrong again on your accusation that I am lying about the book?
Remember now, I've already refuted your claim that an 11 year old boy was afflicted. Now you want something else from me?
Read the link again about the Deen boy and you may find a clue as to what book was written about him.
Not too up on books or events about this material, I see.
That could explain why you rely on scouring links instead of reading in depth articles and books.
You also have a comprehension problem when it suits your own opinions.
If you still can't find the book, come back and see me and I'll see about clueing you in.



The most important point that you cannot refute is the medical evidence. Your brain trust of medical experts found...
NO SIGN OF BRAIN DAMAGE AT ALL.
Yet, you continually refer to medical duress.
Caused by what exactly? You cannot provide a precise explanation because the medical community surrounding this girl didn't have one.

For the umpteenth time, damage is not always present in these cases.
__________________________________________________ ______
Thank you Dr. Marcus Welby. Care to prove that assertion based on the severity of the supposed temporal lobe diagnosis and your extensive experience as a medical doctor, or will it be a quote from another selected paragraph in a web link? You're pitiful.



[Edited by chillbilly on 04-19-2006 at 08:40 PM]

[samtheman]

brain function can be affected by chemical imbalance or hormonal disorder, there may be no evidence of brain tissue damage, but there is more to the brain than just tissue.

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
geeryboy
I didn't get my info from a link. I have in depth info from a book. You see, I don't rely on single paragraphs from the web to make conclusions. That's your shtick.You are repeating yourself, have that checked out, could be a sign of possession.


I supplied the link about the 11 year old boy because you and the other dumbass on this thread were making the accusation that there was no 11 year old boy....remember?
Or did you conveniently forget that already?
I don't operate by using summarized links to give summarized opinions. Again, that's your schtick.Nope. you claimed there was a boy who spoke 7 languages.

Your link confirmed the boy only mimiced one language.



Remember now, I've already refuted your claim that an 11 year old boy was afflicted. Now you want something else from me?Ummmm......Nope. See previous response.



Read the link again about the Deen boy and you may find a clue as to what book was written about him.
Not too up on books or events about this material, I see.
That could explain why you rely on scouring links instead of reading in depth articles and books.Tell me you don't mean the Exorcist? Bawhahahahahahahah. A fiction book is your source? A book that even the priest who presided at the exocrcism says is exaggerated? Bawhahahahahah. Bye, Bye chilly credibility.



Thank you Dr. Marcus Welby. Care to prove that assertion based on the severity of the supposed temporal lobe diagnosis and your extensive experience as a medical doctor, or will it be a quote from another selected paragraph in a web link? You're pitiful.I hate to see a confused boy like you suffer. Go to Pubmed.com and get yourself an education on mental disorders and their pathologies.

[sline-dawg]

Originally posted by samtheman
but there is more to the brain than just tissue.


Not in chillbillys case.


Your digging yourself deeper dude.... bail while you still can....