Wise old men of military have had enough of Rummy the Dummy

[rob10]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12313869/

[RoBoTeq]

We need to stop reporting what naysayers have to say and start reporting the realities of the support that our military is getting from within the ranks that are actually in Iraq right now.

These media sluts only look for negative stories to tell and that is ultimately what they find. They certainly are doing no good for the country with their negative rheteric. Hell, the U.S. media is about as good as the Japanese propogandists such as Tokyo Rose were during WWII.

[rob10]

You have the freedom not to read them. We still have freedoms in this country even though GW would like nothing better than limit these.

[Edited by rob10 on 04-14-2006 at 01:27 PM]

[coolwhip]

I think there are 5 retired generals now that want donald goldbloomerfinkelstein removed. I cant say I blame them. That dwarf seems like a real smart a$$.

[scrogdog]

Right. As opposed to what? Hundreds of other retired generals who are saying nothing?

Rummy got it right when he said that controversial actions are always going to bring just that, controversy. We are a nation of free thinkers, not zombies.

[coolwhip]

Apparantly the dwarf doesnt listen to his commanders in the field. He is a smug arrogant little prick. Lets stick him in a humv and let him go on a couple of dozen patrols. I never liked the guy from the very beginning and wouldnt trust anyone that squints so damn much that you cant see their eyeballs or with a name like rumsfeld. His allegiance is most likely a zionist one and not that of a true American.

[Edited by coolwhip on 04-14-2006 at 01:05 PM]

[skrewt]

Originally posted by coolwhip
Apparantly the dwarf doesnt listen to his commanders in the field. He is a smug arrogant little prick. Lets stick him in a humv and let him go on a couple of dozen patrols. I never liked the guy from the very beginning and wouldnt trust anyone that squints so damn much that you cant see their eyeballs or with a name like rumsfeld. His allegiance is most likely a zionist one and not that of a true American.

[Edited by coolwhip on 04-14-2006 at 01:05 PM]

Are you Hamas or Hezzbola?
Seems your qualifications for hatred apply to Alan Combs and Mort Kondrakie...squinty eyed little bastards.
Anyone who hates for so superficial reasons is to be disregarded as a flake.

[skrewt]

I post quotes and links from people who agree with this administration all the time, however, we should only listen to those who disagree. That way no matter who is in office we will just go around in circles ad infinitum.

Let's say we change directions because someone disagrees, well now the people who agreed with the original plan disagree, so we should then listen to them and reverse our decisions again, etc. etc. etc. etc.......on into forever.

Shut up, sit down and enjoy the ride.

[rob10]

Originally posted by skrewt
I post quotes and links from people who agree with this administration all the time, however, we should only listen to those who disagree. That way no matter who is in office we will just go around in circles ad infinitum.

Let's say we change directions because someone disagrees, well now the people who agreed with the original plan disagree, so we should then listen to them and reverse our decisions again, etc. etc. etc. etc.......on into forever.

Shut up, sit down and enjoy the ride. Intelligent thoughts. This shows that your nothing but a sucka$$ to jamey and GW.

[coolwhip]

Dont put words in my mouth when you have none in your head. I said that I did not like him nor do I trust him. Never said I hated him.

Exactly what admirable qualities do you see in this individual?

[bootlen]

This crap happens every time there's a war. And naysayer lovers across the world fawn over them.

Fawn, rob, fawn. Yer good at it.

[skrewt]

Originally posted by rob10

Originally posted by skrewt
I post quotes and links from people who agree with this administration all the time, however, we should only listen to those who disagree. That way no matter who is in office we will just go around in circles ad infinitum.

Let's say we change directions because someone disagrees, well now the people who agreed with the original plan disagree, so we should then listen to them and reverse our decisions again, etc. etc. etc. etc.......on into forever.

Shut up, sit down and enjoy the ride. Intelligent thoughts. This shows that your nothing but a sucka$$ to jamey and GW.

Actually, I'm a Pain in your ass.
And will continue to be as long as you keep crying your rhetoric on this forum.

[tonys]

"Pain in your ass"


that just sounds wrong, especially coming from a homo-phobe, no?

[Dowadudda]

This report is a little surprizing to me. I worked directly for 2, 1 star generals when I was in the Army. I drove them around and was their chauffuer out on feild exercises. Also worked for one of them directly in garrison. I was his gopher for just about anything for over a year. I happen to have been privy to a lot of stuff.

I do think these men are echoing some of the sentiment of current active duty Top brass. These guys separate from service and still talk to current active duty cronies daily. It was that way when I was there. I couldn;t see how it would have changed. When your a career high ranking officer, you do whatever to keep the poop from falling on you, and so, these active duty top brass, they may feel a different way than what they may be thinking with their boots in the TOC. (tactical operations center). They keep their mouth shut and do what the next guy above them tells them. End of it. But to their buddies, their peers, they may sound off.

I would say that these sentiments are coming from active duty brass in Iraq.

[rob10]

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8057/donaldsaddam1hf.jpg

[Edited by rob10 on 04-14-2006 at 04:51 PM]

[tonys]

who cares.

he was fighting the Iranians in an American defacto war.

[James 3528]

What you have is 6 guys that want to be Secretary of Defense under the next Administration. Why do you deep thinkers think they are speaking out now? The Press and grease monkey's like Loser10 swallowed this up to the cork but what else is new?

We don't have any real Generals anymore.

[Dowadudda]

You always think your right.

[skrewt]

Originally posted by rob10
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8057/donaldsaddam1hf.jpg

[Edited by rob10 on 04-14-2006 at 04:51 PM]

Darn, I tried to post a picture of Bill C. with Saddam but the censors pulled it. They said overt homosexual images weren't allowed.

[rob10]

Originally posted by James 3528
What you have is 6 guys that want to be Secretary of Defense under the next Administration. Why do you deep thinkers think they are speaking out now? The Press and grease monkey's like Loser10 swallowed this up to the cork but what else is new?

We don't have any real Generals anymore. About being in the military where he can be under the general's desk!!

[James 3528]

Originally posted by Dowadudda
You always think your right.

Does it bother you that much that I am?

Your post says "I think" and "I would say". I wasn't foolish enough to go out on that limb considering Rumsfeld was not the Secretary of Defence when you were a driver.

I know those Generals where leaning over to you and asking you if they should use a flanking maneuver of an air assault. I didn't get to drive a General around or anything like that so you may have a point. I just worked in CENTCOM command centers.

If you want to debate the content of what I said then have at it.


If you want to launch insults then have at it but let me find some hemp and smoke it so it will be fair.

[James 3528]

In the Department of Defense there are:

34 Four star generals/admirals

124 Three star generals/admirals

278 Two star generals/admirals

439 -One star generals/admirals

Totals 875 not counting the US Coast Guard

Throw in the U.S. Coast Guard and you have 900 generals and admirals on active duty today. Each year roughly 15-20% of those flag officers retire, many not by choice.

What would that make? About 3 to 4 thousand retired Generals and Admirals?


How many calling for Secretary Misfeld to resign? Five? Six? LMAO

Another story by the "drive by media"

Suckers!~


[Edited by JAMES 3528 on 04-14-2006 at 06:45 PM]

[Dowadudda]

you were a nobody, and know nothing more than anyone else on here. Were all arm chairing it.

So what glorious thing did you do in the Air Force James?

[Dowadudda]

Your bible banging soul wouldn't dare smoke a joint would it?

You might want to grip the trigger a little more tightly, James, there coming to get you.

[James 3528]

I just told you Numb Nuts.

[Dowadudda]

now thats not very christian like is it?

[chillbilly]

Why do you have to make it a Christian thing?
I cannot find any post where James even remotely appears to be a bible thumper, as you suggest.

I can guarantee you this, you aren't in his league or skrewt's league or bootie's league as it pertains to debate or military matters and I sure as hell wouldn't mind these aforementioned guys watching my back.

Look at the numbers posted. Not exactly overwhelming calls for Rumsfeld dismissal, are they?
It's media spin from liberal democrats wiggling in their seats like they have a bad case of roids'.
Be patient you liberal spin boys...you'll get your chance.....in 2 years! LOL!

[bootlen]

JAMES! YOU GOT SAVED?!

[James 3528]

I never was lost.

[bootlen]

Oh. Dow just accused you of being not very Christian like. Am I confused or is he?

[James 3528]

Dow is a simple minded person that when challenged will behave like your typical blond.

[royc]

Originally posted by James 3528
In the Department of Defense there are:

34 Four star generals/admirals

124 Three star generals/admirals

278 Two star generals/admirals

439 -One star generals/admirals

Totals 875 not counting the US Coast Guard

Throw in the U.S. Coast Guard and you have 900 generals and admirals on active duty today. Each year roughly 15-20% of those flag officers retire, many not by choice.

What would that make? About 3 to 4 thousand retired Generals and Admirals?


How many calling for Secretary Misfeld to resign? Five? Six? LMAO

Another story by the "drive by media"

Suckers!~


[Edited by JAMES 3528 on 04-14-2006 at 06:45 PM]

That may be true, but I dont ever remember in all my 47 years in this country, any generals active or retired, ever asking for a SOD to be removed. Its a first as far as I know, must be a good reason for anyone to come forward and put their reputation on line. Maybe they know a little more about the situation then we do.

Roy

[bootlen]

Originally posted by royc

Originally posted by James 3528
In the Department of Defense there are:

34 Four star generals/admirals

124 Three star generals/admirals

278 Two star generals/admirals

439 -One star generals/admirals

Totals 875 not counting the US Coast Guard

Throw in the U.S. Coast Guard and you have 900 generals and admirals on active duty today. Each year roughly 15-20% of those flag officers retire, many not by choice.

What would that make? About 3 to 4 thousand retired Generals and Admirals?


How many calling for Secretary Misfeld to resign? Five? Six? LMAO

Another story by the "drive by media"

Suckers!~


[Edited by JAMES 3528 on 04-14-2006 at 06:45 PM]

That may be true, but I dont ever remember in all my 47 years in this country, any generals active or retired, ever asking for a SOD to be removed. Its a first as far as I know, must be a good reason for anyone to come forward and put their reputation on line. Maybe they know a little more about the situation then we do.

Roy


Yeah, there's a reason. They didn't get what they wanted. It's called "sour grapes". They're the guys from classes form the mid '70's who were never taught to be "men". They didn't live in barracks. They lived in dorm rooms, fer cryin' out loud. They likely majored in lit or journalism. They're whinin' wusses of the highest degree.

Yup. There's a reason.

[bootlen]

Generically speaking, of course. ;)

[James 3528]

Originally posted by royc

Originally posted by James 3528
In the Department of Defense there are:

34 Four star generals/admirals

124 Three star generals/admirals

278 Two star generals/admirals

439 -One star generals/admirals

Totals 875 not counting the US Coast Guard

Throw in the U.S. Coast Guard and you have 900 generals and admirals on active duty today. Each year roughly 15-20% of those flag officers retire, many not by choice.

What would that make? About 3 to 4 thousand retired Generals and Admirals?


How many calling for Secretary Misfeld to resign? Five? Six? LMAO

Another story by the "drive by media"

Suckers!~


[Edited by JAMES 3528 on 04-14-2006 at 06:45 PM]

That may be true, but I dont ever remember in all my 47 years in this country, any generals active or retired, ever asking for a SOD to be removed. Its a first as far as I know, must be a good reason for anyone to come forward and put their reputation on line. Maybe they know a little more about the situation then we do.

Roy


I think Madonna know's more about this than you do Roy.


May be true? Frig Roy! I said it you space cadet so it is true.

Yes there is a good reason and if you would have read WTF I had wrote you would know. The other good reasons is that the defense contractors can only hire so many retired Generals and Admirals. The other ones have to try to get jobs in the media, writing books, baby sitting, telling Dow military secrets and such...duh.

Basically their media pigs. If six retired Generals agreed with Rummy, the drive by media would have ignored them. Another BIG friggin duh Roy. Your the duh queen on this one. But you have plenty of company because there are at least 2 duh Kings.

[rob10]

Rather than a ditzy Queen like you jamey boy!!

[rob10]

This is GW's fault. He hired Dummy Rummyy!!

[James 3528]

Yeah, your military knowledge is gained from Geer. Who has none.

[rob10]

Originally posted by bootlen

Originally posted by royc

Originally posted by James 3528
In the Department of Defense there are:

34 Four star generals/admirals

124 Three star generals/admirals

278 Two star generals/admirals

439 -One star generals/admirals

Totals 875 not counting the US Coast Guard

Throw in the U.S. Coast Guard and you have 900 generals and admirals on active duty today. Each year roughly 15-20% of those flag officers retire, many not by choice.

What would that make? About 3 to 4 thousand retired Generals and Admirals?


How many calling for Secretary Misfeld to resign? Five? Six? LMAO

Another story by the "drive by media"

Suckers!~


[Edited by JAMES 3528 on 04-14-2006 at 06:45 PM]

That may be true, but I dont ever remember in all my 47 years in this country, any generals active or retired, ever asking for a SOD to be removed. Its a first as far as I know, must be a good reason for anyone to come forward and put their reputation on line. Maybe they know a little more about the situation then we do.

Roy


Yeah, there's a reason. They didn't get what they wanted. It's called "sour grapes". They're the guys from classes form the mid '70's who were never taught to be "men". They didn't live in barracks. They lived in dorm rooms, fer cryin' out loud. They likely majored in lit or journalism. They're whinin' wusses of the highest degree.

Yup. There's a reason. If this true!! No wonder the military is f!ucked up!!

[rob10]

Originally posted by James 3528
Yeah, your military knowledge is gained from Geer. Who has none. I have great sympathy for our "boots" on the ground!!

[bootlen]

Originally posted by rob10

Originally posted by bootlen

Originally posted by royc

Originally posted by James 3528
In the Department of Defense there are:

34 Four star generals/admirals

124 Three star generals/admirals

278 Two star generals/admirals

439 -One star generals/admirals

Totals 875 not counting the US Coast Guard

Throw in the U.S. Coast Guard and you have 900 generals and admirals on active duty today. Each year roughly 15-20% of those flag officers retire, many not by choice.

What would that make? About 3 to 4 thousand retired Generals and Admirals?


How many calling for Secretary Misfeld to resign? Five? Six? LMAO

Another story by the "drive by media"

Suckers!~


[Edited by JAMES 3528 on 04-14-2006 at 06:45 PM]

That may be true, but I dont ever remember in all my 47 years in this country, any generals active or retired, ever asking for a SOD to be removed. Its a first as far as I know, must be a good reason for anyone to come forward and put their reputation on line. Maybe they know a little more about the situation then we do.

Roy


Yeah, there's a reason. They didn't get what they wanted. It's called "sour grapes". They're the guys from classes form the mid '70's who were never taught to be "men". They didn't live in barracks. They lived in dorm rooms, fer cryin' out loud. They likely majored in lit or journalism. They're whinin' wusses of the highest degree.

Yup. There's a reason. If this true!! No wonder the military is f!ucked up!!

What? Because of 6 wusses? Is ther a military in history as well trained, well equipped as the current U.S. military? Can you name one battle as swiftly victorious as the one we witnessed in '03? (There was one but you will never guess it.)

[rob10]

Israel was involved in. Of course they had a real opponent.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by rob10
Israel was involved in. Of course they had a real opponent.

Close but no cigar.

A real opponent. An army with tanks with one forward gear and 5 reverse gears. U-u-u-u-h, right.

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly

I can guarantee you this, you aren't in his league or skrewt's league or bootie's league as it pertains to debate or military matters Let's see, you've got Dr. Strangelove whose best military brain fart would result in WW3, an Einstein whose best idea would result in bankruptcies from Texas to California and a rube whose head is filled with plans that he claims would have ended the Vietnam war in 6 weeks and cured cancer.


Real Dream Team you have assembled there Rube#2.

You boys need to rush to the Pentagon with your Larry Lightbulb ideas. I'm certain Rummy will love you.

[Edited by geerair on 04-15-2006 at 03:02 PM]

[bootlen]

Originally posted by geerair
[QUOTE] Originally posted by chillbilly
plans that he claims would have ended the Vietnam war in 6 weeks and cured cancer.

True-to-form geer. Unchanging. Predictable. Weak.

[geerair]

"I admire those who have stepped forward and I agree with the arguments they are making" retired LT. General Paul K. Van Riper said in an interview yesterday. "I count myself in the same camp."

[chillbilly]

So, what's that geer? Half a dozen generals out of ....eight hundred or so? Not exactly overwhelming numbers for even a numbers faggot like yourself.
But I'm sure you're waiting in anxious anticipation of another retired general to come out of the closet and another opinion poll to post.

Oh, and what league do you represent? The league of junior varsity ARP google trolls whose only thought is conceived from the NY Daily News? Earth to geer...you're a star in your own mind on a HVAC Chat site! What are your future career plans son?
I can count myself lucky to not be in your league of googlers who are too proud to reveal their own thoughts.

Just keep manning your post at the ARP section like a good little boy and keep the liberal spin coming. It's entertaining even if it has no intellectual value.
I make a special trip here just to see what version of reality you will come up with next.

Oh...and most musicians of any stature would never agree that Duane Allman blows Clapton away from a versatility or talent standpoint and certainly not when considering each's body of musical work.
Another jaded opinion based on "emotionality".

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
So, what's that geer? Half a dozen generals out of ....eight hundred or so?Actually seven.




Not exactly overwhelming numbers for even a numbers faggot like yourself.
But I'm sure you're waiting in anxious anticipation of another retired general to come out of the closet and another opinion poll to post.Numbers in this case aren't important. That Generals are publically calling for the ouster of an incompetent Def. Sec. is quite rare if not unprecedented and that is important.



Oh, and what league do you represent? The league of junior varsity ARP google trolls whose only thought is conceived from the NY Daily News? NY Daily News? Missed it by a mile there. Of course your accuracy record is exceedingly woeful so nobody is surprised at this miss.





Earth to geer...you're a star in your own mind on a HVAC Chat site!Compared to your impotent scribblings, I am a God as my fan mail will attest.




What are your future career plans son?Travel, golf, sex and beer.


I can count myself lucky to not be in your leagueWe are pretty damn happy about that as well.






Just keep manning your post at the ARP section like a good little boy and keep the liberal spin coming. It's entertaining even if it has no intellectual value.
I make a special trip here just to see what version of reality you will come up with next.And the unsolicited praise just keeps pouring in.


Oh...and most musicians of any stature would never agree that Duane Allman blows Clapton away from a versatility or talent standpointProbably why I didn't say that then. Blown away as in an extreme admiration for Duane's guitar work.


certainly not when considering each's body of musical work.Gee, Duane's body of work was sadly shortened by his death. We have little more than 5 years of recorded music for Duane. Only a boob would try to make an argument out of body of work comparisons in the case of Allman and Clapton.

That being said, the brief body of work Duane did manage is universally recognized as outstanding by experts, including Clapton himself.

BTW- Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time listed Duane Allman as #2, Clapton #4.





[Edited by geerair on 04-17-2006 at 12:03 PM]

[bootlen]

Lemme see. Generals with opinions. MacArthur, Patton, Custer, Haig...many, many more.

Turns out ALL opinions are like bumholes...everybody has one and all of 'em stink.

The opinions of the 7 in the news carry an extra measure of stink.

[chillbilly]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by geerair

Gee, Duane's body of work was sadly shortened by his death. We have little more than 5 years of recorded music for Duane. Only a boob would try to make an argument out of body of work comparisons in the case of Allman and Clapton.

__________________________________________________ ______

Unfortunately for Duane Allman, motorcycle's don't hold up too well when they crash.
I'm sorry if all of your heroes are dead but please note that longevity is part of the criteria that has to be used to evaluate performers. As for guitarists, Duane Allman is just a face in the crowd when compared to Clapton.





BTW- Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time listed Duane Allman as #2, Clapton #4.

__________________________________________________ _______

Another vague poll stat? Clapton is universally recognized as either the first or second best rock and blues guitarist ever.

[geerair]

Originally posted by chillbilly
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by geerair

Gee, Duane's body of work was sadly shortened by his death. We have little more than 5 years of recorded music for Duane. Only a boob would try to make an argument out of body of work comparisons in the case of Allman and Clapton.

__________________________________________________ ______

Unfortunately for Duane Allman, motorcycle's don't hold up too well when they crash.
I'm sorry if all of your heroes are dead but please note that longevity is part of the criteria that has to be used to evaluate performers. As for guitarists, Duane Allman is just a face in the crowd when compared to Clapton.





BTW- Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time listed Duane Allman as #2, Clapton #4.

__________________________________________________ _______

Another vague poll stat? Clapton is universally recognized as either the first or second best rock and blues guitarist ever.



Not by Rolling Stone, the industry standard.

[skrewt]

Rolling Stone is the authority on:
1.) Rock n Roll
2.) Rating Guitar talent
3.) Christina Aguiliera's nasty ass
4.) enhancing Al Gore's "Package"

[chillbilly]

LOL! Yeah. If geer had 98 out of 100 people telling him he was wrong about something he would hold on to himself (no pun intended) and the other idiot and try to make a federal case for himself.
7 out of several hundred retired generals is a perfect example. The numbers are not there and now geer is stating that it's the fact that they've spoken up at all that's important. LOL! How many more gears do you have left to shift gear-rear??